8 team playoff would diminish the regular season?
That's what Frohnmayer says here. I understand that maybe the last few games of the regular season for the top 4 would be less interesting, but wouldn't the last few games for those ranked 5-12 be incredible. A fan of #12th ranked team would not only be watching their team's games but have huge rooting interests in the games of teams below them, not to mention any conference races, now a 12th ranked team only has t their conference championship race to follow - maybe a BCS bid.
Am I crazy, but wouldn't giving more people rooting interest in more games a good thing? Doesn't having more teams in the position of just having to win out to make a playoff make for better games of their fans? Am I wrong to feel a little betrayed by Frohnmayer? Can I type out four consecutive questions? I wonder if that comment really just the NCAA way of telling Obamma to stay out of the NCAA business, which I guess I understand. /end rambling
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I smell a veiled attempt at an excuse that isn't "we like the Rose Bowl"
but I’m not sure. I’d love a playoff just because I like playoffs: baseball, hoops, curling, rock paper scissors. It’s all riveting actions. College football is the only sport in the US that doesn’t have a playoff system and I say why not? If anything it enhances the regular season because more teams are in the thick of things the last couple weeks than just 3 or 4 (or 28, if it’s 2007).
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by Takimoto on Nov 11, 2008 7:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
While I like a playoff,
for almost identical reasons as Takimoto lists above, I’m not convinced that it would solve the problem.
I still think people are going to cry… the ninth tenth and eleventh team are going to piss and moan about how their schedule was tougher than someone else’s, and how ND gets an unfair advantage, and about east coast bias, and time zones, and blah, bah, blah. Bottom line is that the system is still relatively arbitrary.
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by everett on Nov 11, 2008 7:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't like this reason...
THere is a MASSIVE difference between the 9th and 3rd place teams. There will be pissing and moaning at every level, but the 3rd place team has a legitimate beef 90+% of the time. The others will have a mostly illegitimate beef.
As I said below, college football is regional. And if you want a true national champion, you need to have a tournament for the regional champions (BCS conferences).
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by jtlight on Nov 11, 2008 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right,
but so am I.
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by everett on Nov 11, 2008 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's plus
for people who claim controversy also helps college football
by bradLL99 on Nov 12, 2008 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The pissing and moaning of the 3rd place team that kills in their bowl while the 2nd place team gets smoked in the national championship doesn’t even compare to that of the 9th place team that misses out on a playoff system. That said, BCS sucks. Terribly. Please give me some type of playoff, whether it be 4 team, 8 team, or otherwise. I am sick of shitty Big 10 teams in the ship because they play such soft schedules. If D II and D III can do it why can’t DI
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by TheMightyO on Nov 12, 2008 5:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm… I’m not entirely sure about one thing. The top 4 teams would have nothing to gain, and everything to lose. A team can drop pretty hard over the span of 2-3 weeks.
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by JShufelt on Nov 11, 2008 7:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Everything to lose, yes...
But that strikes me as a fairly motivating factor.
- Jeremy
by JConant on Nov 11, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, teams number 3 and 4 gain a shot at the title.
by bradLL99 on Nov 12, 2008 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. I am completely with you on this. I was just saying that the last few games for the top for being less interesting wasn’t exactly true. I find it compelling, and possibly even more interesting.
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by JShufelt on Nov 12, 2008 8:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Esp. because if someone loses in the last few weeks...
and they are in the top 4, they most likely won’t be for too much longer…
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by jtlight on Nov 12, 2008 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously...
Does anyone think that an 8 team playoff would really diminish the regular season? Even this year, you would at most be able to have one loss. And except for the years when the stars align and 2 undefeated teams stand, this works pretty much perfectly anyway.
Plus, it’s not like this is pros, where 1/3 of the teams get into the playoffs. Less than 7% would with an 8 team playoff.
On top of THAT, college football is so regional anyway, with so few intersectional games in a year, that if we want to crown a champion, then a playoff with at least 6 teams (BCS conference champions) is the only way to do this.
This excuse is a total joke.
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by jtlight on Nov 11, 2008 8:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We need a playoff. America needs playoffs!
Look at soccer. In Europe there are no playoffs (champions league is just to different, if that’s what you are thinking). Bring soccer over to the states and there has to be a playoff. American fans needs competition based closure, and so the MLS has a playoff. I think that just the idea of a playoff would curb a lot of complaining because the teams settle it on the field.
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by trumpetduck on Nov 11, 2008 8:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
When Obama asks if we can fix the BCS, I say, “Yes we can!”
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by Takimoto on Nov 11, 2008 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Frohnmayer is a smart guy, but...
How does a playoff system diminish a season any more than having a good team at 7-3 know they’re probably doing no better than another trip to El Paso?
I’m greedy. I want a 16-team playoff, using the current BCS standings to create seeds with the first round played at the home field of the higher seed. If you’re #17, screw you. Your team shouldn’t have lost three games. Go enjoy the Motor City Bowl.
Go back to 11-game season is you have to. Everyone give up their non-conference win over Utah State or Arkansas State.
The larger pool takes a week longer, but only half the teams travel the first round. The larger pool also means more teams are angling for those last few spots late in the season – quite contrary to diminishing the regular season. Better yet, the 16-team bracket creates upset possibilities that would lift the entertainment value to a March Madness level. High entertainment value means big TV audiences and huge advertising revenue for the networks. Huge contracts ensue and everyone walks away happy.
- Jeremy
by JConant on Nov 11, 2008 10:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Utah state is pissed about your idea.
especially the year that they go undefeated, but their quality wins aren’t enough to get them into the holy land; it’s improbable, but some analog would be almost certain to occur.
That being said, I like your idea WAY better than an eight team playoff. I think the more teams, the less chance someone is pissed. The downside is that the season is getting pretty long.
PS, Frohnmayer: Magna Cum Laude at Harvard, and a Rhodes Scholar. Not a “smart guy,” so much as a freakin’ monument of academic greatness (so, he’s my man-crush a little bit; at least it’s out now).
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by everett on Nov 11, 2008 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So what for a long season
A long season means more money for the schools and it helps prep all of the college players for the NFL who plays a 16 game season.
by ducksfan on Nov 12, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like it too, but that seems to be the complaint that comes up most frequently.
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by everett on Nov 12, 2008 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i think
16 is too much. this could diminish the regular season. the top teams could take the last week or two off knowing they wont drop from one, two, or three down to 17. yes it could hurt their seed but it would probably be worth it. as an eight team the risk is much greater. also i think the sixteen team gives more of a chance of a team just being hot at the right time and winning it all. i think (this wont happen) but that every conference needs to be 12 teams (to play for a national champ) you play a full round robin regular season (dropping non conference games but creating year long arguments about strength of conferences) then each conference has a conference champ game. after all the conferences crown a champ we have an eight team playoff. i think this has the right about of controversy, luck, but is completely fair in my mind.
by joffthedeckk on Nov 12, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or football in the state of Washington could just take like 3 years off to rebuild
So the rest of the PAC wouldn’t have to to tire out our 4th stringers on them.
I like my lineman with good footwork, good upper body strength, a nice wide base, compsure, and preferably not hungry.
by qrsouther on Nov 12, 2008 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My Idea
Kind of a weird one but here is what I thought
Twelve Conferences = 12 Team playoff, conference champion goes to the play offs
Seeding is determined by some sort of RPI ranking (almost like the BCS rankings today) where the 4 bottom play in the “wildcard” rounds
Traditional bowl tie-ins can be used to create matchups for the field of 8 where appropriate
The National Championship game is rotated through sites just like it is done today
It has some issues as far as money and other things, but just an idea. It does give a lot of power to the smaller conferences but if the bigger conferences win their games…there is no issue
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by dvieira on Nov 11, 2008 10:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like it...
But only if every conference decides to play a conference championship game, which would get rid of yet another PAC 10 conference game, but personally I would give up playing every team every year for a fair championship system.
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by TheMightyO on Nov 12, 2008 5:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think conference championships game would be necessary...
Every conference can determine their champion as they wish.
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by jtlight on Nov 12, 2008 7:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If OSU wins out...
OSU.
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by jtlight on Nov 12, 2008 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that is crazy right?
that even in a playoff, USC would get snubbed?
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by everett on Nov 12, 2008 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
USC shouldn’t have lost to OSU then. :-)
It's spelled "S-h-u-d-e-f-e-n-d-y-o-b-u-s-t-e-d-a-s-s".
by JShufelt on Nov 12, 2008 9:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If a team can't win their own conference...
they can’t get snubbed…
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by jtlight on Nov 12, 2008 9:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how bout the 2007 Giants?
or the 2005 Steelers?
or the 2004 Red Sox?
Just playing D’s advocate here; I’m not really passionate about any of these things, but I am not convinced at all that any of the playoff scenarios I have heard will really fix anything.
I generally think that the more teams in the closer you get to satisfying. 16 is the best option I have heard, because it allows for some wild card slots.
Either way, I think that a system that would allow OS into a field of 12, and not USC, is garbage.
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by everett on Nov 12, 2008 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The 2007 giants were not thee best team over the entirety of the season...
Neither were the 2005 Steelers. They went on great runs. Once you get to the playoffs anythign will happen. But pro football lets in average teams, some with an 8-8 record.
In an 8 team playoff, 2 losses would be very tough to overcome. Only the cream of the crop would get in.
Also, there is no such thing as a perfect system. But there is such thing as a better system. At minimum 4 teams is necessary, and is a major step in the right direction. Again you can rarely pick 2 out of 119 teams and say they are the best.
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by jtlight on Nov 12, 2008 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Symmetry
I like symmetry, so why not add 4 at large teams – An uneven bracket would drive me crazy, it’s why I don’t like the nfl playoffs
by bradLL99 on Nov 12, 2008 8:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Though....
If you want to reward those teams who have played hard all season, and want the regular season to mean more…
You might want to have a break for the top 4 teams.
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by jtlight on Nov 12, 2008 8:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bye weeks!
Teams love getting that week off. I think people would be all over a bye week for the top 4 teams.
Ducks Go!
by trumpetduck on Nov 12, 2008 9:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
oops that wasnt the reply button
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by trumpetduck on Nov 12, 2008 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
emmmmmmbarressing!
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