Fire Bellotti
So, the fire Bellotti birds are coming out again.
Can someone tell me what kind of weed they're smoking?
I admit that these kind of seasons don't have the thrill that last season did. But, before the season, most of us said we'd be happy with 8-4. And guess what--8-4 is our likely record this year. And considering that we're on our fourth string quarterback, its pretty hard to complain about the results.
What the fuck is the problem?
Lay off, people. This kind of crap is a complete embarassment.
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Ugh
I saw your fan post title and thought you were trying to stir up trouble now that your on a bar stool and not serving the beer…
just pointing out douchebaggery
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by WoodburnDave on Nov 13, 2008 7:38 AM PST up reply actions
The only member of the coaching staff that I am really not happy with is Alloti
So I wouldn’t mind chants about him, Bellotti has made some mistakes (mainly burning Thomas’s Redshirt is the biggest one) but he has done too much to be fired!
agreed
Aliotti’s firing is long overdue. But calls for Bellotti’s head are ridiculous.
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by WoodburnDave on Nov 13, 2008 8:06 AM PST up reply actions
I am with you but let me pose a question.
How would you guys feel if Chris Petersen were suddenly available or had a deep urge to come back to Eugene? Or what if Chip had an offer for a HC position somewhere else?
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I would commit seppuku.
I like my lineman with good footwork, good upper body strength, a nice wide base, and preferably not hungry.
go to school
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by WoodburnDave on Nov 13, 2008 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
On this particular day, IHS doesn't start until 9:19.
I like my lineman with good footwork, good upper body strength, a nice wide base, and preferably not hungry.
dang. How do I get a job there?
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by WoodburnDave on Nov 13, 2008 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
I want you to come teach me.
Please, please unseat Gretchen Lieberman.
I like my lineman with good footwork, good upper body strength, a nice wide base, and preferably not hungry.
But also, I should tell you that half the days, depending on your "section" as a student...
… you will either go to school at 9:19 or 7:50, that’s provided you’re in Morningwood IHS.
Do they have IHS in Multnomah?
I like my lineman with good footwork, good upper body strength, a nice wide base, and preferably not hungry.
it doesn't really change my opinion
what guarantees do we have that Chris Peterson is a messiah just because he wins in the WAC?
Actually, I think we could get Peterson easiily. I think Oregon is his dream job. But that doesn’t justify firing the greatest coach in the history of our school.
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by WoodburnDave on Nov 13, 2008 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
Chip Kelly is very unproven...
…and I don’t think he’s ready to be a head coach.
As far as Petersen, he’s a good coach. But, as Dave just said, what makes him all that great in the Pac-10? I am also of the opinion that in game coaching isn’t all that important. You must motivate and recruit. Oh, game plan can be huge. But there are very few coaches that are lights out at that, and you can’t think that you’ll get a coach like that.
Because of that, I also think that stability is incredibly important. For every time you fire someone to get better, and there’s a success story, there are 5 failure stories.
Bellotti is a very good head football coach, a good recruiter, and a good motivator. I don’t think we should throw that all away for a pipe dream that could more easily fail than succeed.
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Couldn't agree with you more
Chip has never been a head coach, all he has proven is that he can succeed with Dixon. One could argue he was who made Dixon better, but we don’t know that, it could just be that Dixon saw how professional athletes prepared for their sport took that level of commitment to the college game (where coaches can only make players do so much).
Chip has never been a head coach and only been in 1A for going on 2 years.
Also I think with Bellotti we have a good equation for success on Offense, that is Bellotti + good QB coach (Kelly, Tedford, Kutter (sp?)) = good offense, and he has shown that he can find good QB coaches in the lower ranks, and can let the bad ones go.
Chip was the HC/OC at New Hampshire for some time.
After having coached O-line, then some other things, and finally the O-coordinator in his last years there. He definitely has the experience.
I like my lineman with good footwork, good upper body strength, a nice wide base, and preferably not hungry.
Not necessarily to be an FBS head coach...
I probably wouldn’t hire him at this point, especially since this year has been a little disappointing after the huge gains made last season.
I think he also has a lot to learn in terms of running an entire football program. I think he’ll be around a few more years.
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Of course.
I wasn’t arguing for it necessarily, just citing some of his earned stripes.
I like my lineman with good footwork, good upper body strength, a nice wide base, and preferably not hungry.
Here he is listed as a “UNH associate Head Coach.” I thought saw that on his credentials as well when he was first hired here in 2007.
You’re probably right however, it may have just been an accidental thought that he was previously a head coach, if wikipedia does not list such, you’re most likely correct.
I like my lineman with good footwork, good upper body strength, a nice wide base, and preferably not hungry.
Associate to the Head Coach
Associate <> Head Coach, but it usually implies there’s more to his job just the OC
Oregon was maybe one Terrelle Pryor away from being dominant this year.
Bellotti is WAY more responsible for establishing the type of program that Pryor was even attracted to, than he is for having a down year one year after making a legitimate National Title run.
We are not USC, and we are not going to have a top 5 recruiting class year after year. Bellotti is fine.
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by MarineCorpsDuck on Nov 13, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
I say that everytime I watch tOSU
get away with giving him just one passing option and letting him do the rest on his legs
I wonder if all of these “Fire Bellotti” talk is less about Bellotti and more about the fans’ uncertainty about this year? Every week we have QB discussions. Every week we have talk about our passing game. People are clamoring for all kinds of things that are all over the map. Put in Thomas, put in Roper, keep Masoli, Williams sucks, our receiving core sucks, why can’t our secondary stop the pass, the list goes on and on.
Maybe the symptom of “Fire Bellotti talk” is more an indication of the waffling, ever-changing atmosphere that has been created… not only by the coaching staff in failing to properly set expectations, but in the fans as well who’s expectations of last year have gone into this year.
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
I think perhaps some of the uncertainty is because we have struggled differently than people thought we may.
In particular, the fact that our defense has been so atrocious, causing us to lose games we may have otherwise won, has caused some of the frustration. Pre-season there were some unknowns, but the defense was allegedly solid.
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I would wager to bet most of the fans that say fire Bellotti are the same guys that boo our team.
It's spelled "S-h-u-t-a-b-r-i-c-k".
That's a safe bet.
I’ve been to the last five games and up until saturday I didn’t hear too many boos. But once they come out, any idiot will join in with them.
For sure they are
Like the douchebag who sits in my section and started yeling, “It’s time to get out of town, Bellotti!” after the ball was hiked over Masoli’s head for a safety during the Standford game. Up until then I was unaware the MB suited up as center on third downs.
by Chris in JC on Nov 14, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
oh, he does.
he also plays QB on the two-hoppers to open recievers. but only on the two-hoppers.
I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Completely oblivious that they're booing among the top 3 centers in the nation, and a team captain...
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MB
Bellotti IS Oregon football. As far as I’m concerned, it’s his job until he chooses to retire or move on somewhere else.
GO DUCKS!
Dave, you forgot to tag...
Fucking morons who breed idiots, fucking idiots and douche bags. Someone’s gotta have bad genes to suggest something so stupid.
I can’t add anything that hasn’t been aptly state. I would like to see Mike B sack up and can his pal Aliotti. I won’t berate NA, I just don’t think he’s the man that is going to lift the Oregon program above mediocre on the D side of the ball. Time for a chance there.
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...Time for a "change" there. Sorry.
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you flagged Dave? And Jeremy?
oh no you didn’t!
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by WoodburnDave on Nov 14, 2008 7:08 AM PST up reply actions
I know that you guys are part of the ATQ elite and all,
But I think the egregiousswearing dumbs the conversation down, and is like a dinner bell for trolls. We are, I am guessing, as a group capable of a wee bit more intelligent conversations right?
I know it hasn’t happened yet, but who knows when these things tip.
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Cal fans completely understand how you feel
It’s just like having the same people who wanted Tedford fired last year and still want him fired this year (despite the fact that we have a solid chance at a 9-3 or 8-4 season). They complain that he isn’t “the one” to lead us to the Rose Bowl because we haven’t beaten USC since 2003. It’s ridiculous.
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Long read, but worth it
Some buddies and I have been having this same debate for weeks, if not years. Here is one of those debates.
But here’s the deal, we’re not progressing as a team, let alone and more importantly as a program.
So let me pose these questions to you, and see if you can honestly answer them, without getting totally frustrated;
1. What other program(s) have the boosters and overall financial support, that we’re fortunate enough to have?
2. What other program(s) have the athletic facilities, that we’re fortunate enough to have?
3. What other program(s) have the fans (that travel home & away), that we’re fortunate enough to have?
The answer to all three of those questions is zero. And that goes for double zero (if there is such a number), on the West Coast.
And this is whey it’s usually 6-7 games into the season, that I get ill, because I see teams ahead of us, that shouldn’t be. Period.
It appears to me that winning is not as much a priority, as it should be. In my mind 8-4 is not a good season, and should be deemed unacceptable by our boosters, alum, and athletic director.
With the resources Oregon Football has at its disposal, the Ducks should legitimately contend for not only a Pac-10 title every season, but a BCS bowl berth.
Anything less should be viewed as a failure.
My good friend Brian and I are fortunate to be able to travel to most away games.
We enjoy seeing how other schools do things, with regards to traditions, tailgating, and overall game day experience(s).
Over the years we’ve developed a wonderful friendship with a great guy who’s immersed in the Oklahoma program.
And as a result we’ve been able to see "how the other half lives," so to speak.
We just got back from Norman, where we spent the weekend seeing how their program "does it."
And they do it well. Why? Because anything short of winning, is unacceptable.
Everywhere you go on that campus, it’s about winning – not just in football, everything.
It’s an attitude, that the University of Oregon needs to adopt, and they need to do it immediately.
The first time I got this feeling was the 2002 season, after we had won the Fiesta Bowl and finished 2nd in the BCS standings.
That season we ended up going to the now defunct "Seattle Bowl," where we got beat by Wake Forrest.
And it’s continued since, unfortunately getting worse with each passing season.
Sometimes so bad, like last where I decide not to travel and/or watch any games at all.
The quick fix, and what I’ve thought in years past: Fire Bellotti!
But I’m not saying we have to do this, just yet, to try and fix the situation.
The reason I say this is; Who’s out there to replace him? That’s better, realistically….
I can think of guys I’m curious about, that might actually consider Oregon as a place they’d want to come to;
Mike Leach – Texas Tech
Ron Zook – Illinois
Todd Graham – Tulsa
Kyle Whittingham – Utah
And then there’s the obvious;
Jeff Tedford – Cal
Chris Peterson – Boise State
But when you sit back for a second and digest these fine candidates, are they better then what we have?
I feel Bellotti is a great coach, and a good leader for our young men.
The real issue lies within two aspects of the program;
1. Defensive Coordinator – Nick Aliotti
2. Overall support from the (academic side) University
Can these two issues be fixed, immediately? If not, then the ways of Ducks football finishing each and every season as a middle of the road program, will continue.
Okay, so how do we fix the above mentioned problems – it’s simple;
1. AD to Head Coach: "Mike, here’s the deal; I know Nick is your best friend, and you’ve been together forever, but he’s holding us back. We need to replace him, this off-season, or we need to replace the whole coaching staff, including you."
2. AD to University President: "Dave, here’s the deal; I need more support from your side of the university. The athletic department donated $10 million last year to you guys, and we’re still not be supported by professors, and most department chairs. I/we would like to launch a program, that the athletic department is going to pay, to start getting everyone on board. I’d like to inter-mingle athletics and academics in a good spirited, fun way, where we can all support the university."
So there are the solutions, now as our biggest and most generous booster says; Just do it!
I'm sorry, but I disagree fully.
This entire post screams far too loud, “easier said than done.”
I would truly like to hear about your experiences at other programs there, what were they like, how did they contrast from us? This is a serious question, I would like to hear about this as it intrigues me what you mean.
I disagree with your conclusion that Bellotti dictates everything that goes wrong in the program and that everyone else is to blame for what goes right. Bellotti is a good coach. We are downright spoiled. When we start seeing 8-4 seasons, bearing in mind with a first year (not to mention 3rd string) QB leading us, we are completely losing sight of, well, how much worse it could be. We go to a bowl EVERY YEAR. The Huskies, one of the formerly cockiest programs in the nation, cannot say that. The Cougs, see above, ditto. If you told a Fusky in 1991 that they would go 0-11 in 2008, it’d seem absurd. We are not even close to what the ’90s Husky program was, which makes it all the more disheartening to see fans with such ridiculous standards.
Mike Bellotti does not call the defense, and did not for the first 5 or so games of the year. Nick Alliotti does. Direct blame there if you want.
Mike Bellotti does not call the offense. He did not call it during the game, the Boise State game, the USC game, nor the Cal game. Chip Kelly does. The lack of offense in these games was not Chip Kelly’s bad. We had to run the Wild Cat Offense, we had a first year QB starting against the most dominant program in the last 7 years of the Pac-10 conference, and among the worst weather conditions at a football game in recent memory, respectively.
Mike Bellotti’s sorry that his players can’t defend play action and that he can’t control the weather.
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Again, sorry if I'm coming off very negatively
I appreciate your detailed post and input in the discussion, but I must rebut it.
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1. What other program(s) have the boosters and overall financial support, that we’re fortunate enough to have?
2. What other program(s) have the athletic facilities, that we’re fortunate enough to have?
3. What other program(s) have the fans (that travel home & away), that we’re fortunate enough to have?"
So are you saying no other school has our level of boosters, ability to travel, and athletic facilities. First of all lets ignore that the 1st two points are likely highly related, but do you have any data or sources to back up these claims. It’s easy to say, look at Oregon’s relationship with Phil Knight, but he is only one person, a major person, but still only one. Don’t other schools have lots of less knights that more than make up for it. I would be surprised to learn that USC has less money coming into their program. What about major programs in other BCS conferences. If what you say is true, how give us some other details, like how much they are bigger.
On the travel argument, I reiterate the need to find sources for your claims. My guess is that I think this was more true in 2002 (when expectations going into the season weren’t as high as where we ended up), but I thought more recently Oregon has not traveled well to bowls (when expectations were higher). If you except this premise is fans traveling something that contributes to a teams success or something that is a consequence of a teams success. To be honest, it’s probably a little of both, but it would be foolish to simply count it as a resource without thinking about how we get that resource.
Finally, you make no reference to what the ducks have going against it, small boring town, not a "traditional" power house, crappy whether, not right next to fertile recruiting grounds are just a few right off the top of my head. You’re argument makes it sound like we have all the qualities a program could want for prolonged success, when that just ain’t true.
With the resources Oregon Football has at its disposal, the Ducks should legitimately contend for not only a Pac-10 title every season, but a BCS bowl berth.
Ridiculous, the number of teams that have legitimately contended for a BCS berth (defined as finishing in the top 15 of BCS standings) every year for the past 6 years (I choose this because Oregon arrived on the BCS scene in 2002) is 0 (go here for the BCS standings), the only one to do it more than 3 times is USC (I just eyeballed that so I may be a little off). Maybe we should count USC’s presence in our conference as a negative because they are the most consistently good team.
The fact is there are like 10 teams that have finished in the top 15 twice in the last 6 years. I love Oregon, but your expectations are out of whack. The fact that Oregon teams can still be in the running 6 weeks into the season (like last year and Clemon’s senior year [I think]) is a testament to what Bellotti does
"The University of Oregon needs to adopt [a winning attitude on campus], and they need to do it immediately."
How does Bellotti institute this? He can’t demand more people shirk their studies to prepare for a pre-game rally? Is that what we want anyways? How does a campus winning attitude impact the team exactly?
"That season we ended up going to the now defunct “Seattle Bowl,” where we got beat by Wake Forrest."
A bowl, if I recall, we did not travel well to even though it was close by (part of the reason it is now defunct).
Reasons why most of your coach choices are ridiculous:
Mike Leach – Texas Tech – Why would he want to make only a small move up (outsiders would proably say lateral, and Big12 fans would say down) to coach in an area he has no recruiting connections with?
Ron Zook – Illinois – see above
Todd Graham – Tulsa – it’s a move up, but the recruiting problem still looms, plus I’m not ready to believe some success at Tulsa means he’s ready to make the jump
Kyle Whittingham – Utah – One of two good suggestions
And then there’s the obvious;
Jeff Tedford – Cal – Nope not this one, he just got new facilities, he’s not going to bolt
Chris Peterson – Boise State – The other good suggestion
"But when you sit back for a second and digest these fine candidates, are they better then what we have?"
Wha wha what! I did not expect logic at this point. Logic now? seems late, but ok I’ll go along
"I feel Bellotti is a great coach, and a good leader for our young men."
Sounds like a great coach to me
"The real issue lies within two aspects of the program;
1. Defensive Coordinator – Nick Aliotti"
Yup –I have only seen one person suggest we keel Aliotti on ATQ, and he/she was a Beaver fan, I hope this is all leading up to a good and reasonably novel suggestion.
"2. Overall support from the (academic side) University"
Novel check, good damn.
What does this mean? Should the statistics department be helping him figure out opposing coaches tendencies, should the marketing department be spending time creating the perfect recruiting pitch?
Okay, so how do we fix the above mentioned problems – it’s simple;
1. AD to Head Coach: “Mike, here’s the deal; I know Nick is your best friend, and you’ve been together forever, but he’s holding us back. We need to replace him, this off-season, or we need to replace the whole coaching staff, including you.”
Yup – you will get no disagreement
2. AD to University President: “Dave, here’s the deal; I need more support from your side of the university. The athletic department donated $10 million last year to you guys, and we’re still not be supported by professors, and most department chairs. I/we would like to launch a program, that the athletic department is going to pay, to start getting everyone on board. I’d like to inter-mingle athletics and academics in a good spirited, fun way, where we can all support the university.”
What problem does this solve and how does it solve it? Honestly this comes off like you are suggesting professors grade football players easier, but I don’t think that’s what you mean. I just have no idea what you mean.
by bradLL99 on Nov 14, 2008 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I just have no idea what you mean.
I think that he is referring to the relatively vocal, but very small, contingent of faculty who have spoke out against the Athletic Department rigorously. There is a Professor named James Earl at Oregon who has led the drive.
He contends that the Athletic Department has created a myth that they are self supported, and don’t take University dollars. He actually makes a pretty good point: specifically, to be brief, the argument is that donors are giving to the AD money that would otherwise go to academics. Probably true for at least some of the money.
What he fails to address is that for a mediocre academic university like Oregon, the athletic department bring in a lot of the hype around the university.
Anyway… you could write a book on the subject. I might call Malcolm Gladwell.
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Cool thanks
That’s interesting though it would be easy to argue the Football team brings in donations. I remember seeing an article that demonstrated that enrollment in Universities increases after successful football seasons, though that may not offset the cost of a football program all that much.
Plus I would love to see the model explaining how professors arguing that less money should go to a football team —> worst performance on the field by players.
Plus I would love to see the model explaining how professors arguing that less money should go to a football team —> worst performance on the field by players.
I don’t think that one exists
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I think he is pointing out that it would be a nearly impossible argument to make.
I agree.
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You're both right
I am pointing out that it would be a nearly impossible argument to make, and I want to see a model, preferably a nude one
If there was anyone who could figure it out...
Gladwell would be the guy. He would break it down so well, a third grader could understand it…
May we hand you your taints on a silver platter...
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