Ugh, what a disappointing loss
by jtlight on Nov 2, 2008 8:27 AM PDT
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It really really sucks to lose a game based on pathetic execution. From a false start, to a missed field goal, to a muffed punt. Oregon didn't even have to make incredible plays. They just had to play competently. But they didn't. Though executing wouldn't have ensured victory, it would have given at least given us a chance. What a frustrating loss.
There is more blame to go around of course. Our passing performance on offense was atrocious. And due to miscues, Cal scored 14 of their points on drives of 5 yards or less, which was another difference in the game.
Also, we lost the blog bet, so the taglines at the top of the blog will be written by the guys at Cal Golden Blogs for a week. That will at least be entertaining. It'll give us a chance to laugh at our pain.
GO DUCKS!
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Frustrating, but not surprising...
We will need to be able to throw on occassion if we are going to have a shot in the final three games. Oh, and we will have to be able to convert FG attempts.
At least the D didn’t cost us this game…
by Yapos on Nov 2, 2008 12:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We may have the collective skill to be Pac-10 champs
But we don’t have the mentality, and it’s showing glaringly.
I look forward to the CGB headlines at the top of AtQ. I see we’re already off to a rip-roaring start.
by Freeing Ray Schafer on Nov 2, 2008 12:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
we’ll try to be classy. I make that promise. That we will try!
Please disregard the above ramblings as those of a clearly delusional fan.
www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com
by TwistNHook on Nov 2, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Off to a good start
Tedford… why did you leave us?
by DeltaDuck on Nov 2, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope I didn't come off as sarcastic
That was not my intent. Make me laugh. Dance, puppets.
by Freeing Ray Schafer on Nov 2, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What’s this, Twisted One. You’ll grace AtQ with apostrophes but not your very own CGB. And you even capitalize correctly for them, twice. We all know you’re a closet Duck, but how about showing us all just a little bit of copyediting love?
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
by Olsonist on Nov 2, 2008 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
Please disregard the above ramblings as those of a clearly delusional fan.
www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com
by TwistNHook on Nov 3, 2008 7:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well don't give yourself all the credit there buddy..
For one the Pain Train arrived on time and in full power!
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Nov 2, 2008 4:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
taglines
Based on your closing sentence:
It’ll give us a chance to laugh at our pain.
ATQ: Laughing at our pain instead of with it.
Go Bears!
by SoCal Oski on Nov 2, 2008 5:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ATQ: Free Cade Coo-...oh yeah
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by qrsouther on Nov 2, 2008 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh... special teams once again
A lack of execution in this area was essentially the difference in this game. A missed extra point, 29 yard field goal chip shot and muffed punt to give Cal some ridiculous starting position to set up a td. I’m impressed with how Longshore came in and all…but 11 points given up is ball game. Even without the false start and pick to end the half, we gave this game away.
by KWIGTS on Nov 2, 2008 5:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Making it rain...
I was at the game, completely miserable. Probably the wettest game I’ve attended since 2001 Civil War. This wasn’t nearly as cold so that was the only consolation. After hanging our soaking wet clothes all around our hotel room, adding insult to injury at the end of this awful day was watching TTech slice and dice Texas. Don’t get me wrong, I’m stoked the horns lost. What pissed me off was watching in envy of TT’s recieving corps. They run hard routes, they get open, they fight for position, they come back to the ball, and they help out their scrambling QB on broken plays…oh yeah they actually catch the ball too. None of which our WR’s exhibited on Saturday, or since Keenan Howry left for that matter. It’s getting really old seeing JWill & Co dog it all day, going through the motions. They block well, I’ll give them that. But it’s unbelievable how every single week we make the opponents DB’s look like first round talent. DB’s are in our WR’s pockets all around the field, yet it’s the complete opposite when we’re on D. I’d love to chalk it up to weather, but Cal had no problem passing when they needed it. Even despite the chronic underachievment of the WR’s, and the 16pts we spotted them, we were still in a position to win the game in the fourth.
Now onto a few entertaining notes from the game at the expense of Cal’s continuously pathetic attempt at trying to act like a football school. 1. One of the rally guys running around waving a NOISE sign in front of a completely empty section (when Cal was on offense no less). 2. Students yelling Boise State at us. To them I say Fear the Turtle! That’s was pretty weak. 3. Worst of all was running a commercial on the video screen where Alex Mack is trying to sell tickets to the Big Game in a couple weeks. Pathetic, don’t ever pretend to be a football school again without being able to sell seats to your rivalry game. I know they want to believe they actually have a rivalry with SC, but that’s embarrassing.
by jteubs on Nov 2, 2008 7:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I thought the "Big Game" referred to the Stanford rivalry?
The Battle for the Stanford Axe?
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by qrsouther on Nov 2, 2008 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Christ that's some vitriol there
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Nov 2, 2008 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me add that we are NOT a football school
We are a SCHOOL. A damn good one at that. In fact one of the best in the world. And that’s what matters. Yes we happen to have a pretty decent (and sometimes excellent) football team and many folks appreciate that, but clearly not as much as some SEC schools or god forbid Eugene where there is nothing better to do. You may or may not have noticed but Berkeley is in the Silicon Valley and our economy is in the shitter so people have more things to worry about then attend a football game. And as a student myself I will say that our classes present too much of a headache for us to blow it off and tailgate for 24 hours. That’s not to say people don’t show up for big games (see: Tenn 07, Oregon 06, USC 07, UCLA 06, etc) but they don’t show up consistently for all the games. Is it sad? Well yes and no. Yes because it’d be cool to fill up a stadium for any game. No because we understand there are better things to do.
The thing that does piss me off are the casual fans who come, sit, gossip and leave without cheering the team.
Oh and BTW they do this Stanfurd “buy tickets” thing every year yet it always sells out. Mostly with Cal fans. In fact after Tedford arrived Cal fans almost outnumbered Furd fans in Palo Alto!
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Nov 2, 2008 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Cal is a great academic school...
Likewise, Jupiter, Becketts, and Bears Lair are all fine establishments. I work with and live near many other Cal snobs who are equally as proud of their education, for good reason. For every 1 Cal alum who lives in a tree and bombs pharmacuetical companies in Emeryville, there are 10 others doing very well for themselves, so don’t pull the economy card. Moreover, the last time I checked there was a 50 mile black hole up and down the 880 between Berkeley and silicon valley.
by jteubs on Nov 2, 2008 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pull the economy card?
I’m not saying they’re poor to pay for a ticket. Far from it.
What I am saying is that because of the economy there is a lot of stress in the work place, etc so perhaps watching a game is not at the top of the list.
And uh I’m from San Jose and I can tell you that it’s not a black hole in the 880. Yes the San Jose/Cupertino/Sunnyvale trifecta is the heart of the silicon valley but cities such as Mountain View (ok that’s not on the 880 but nearby), Milpitas, and especially Fremont are all big time cities.
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Nov 2, 2008 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy, the bay area has weathered the economic storm much, much better than the rest of the country. I wouldn’t really use “the economy” as an excuse for not filling the stadium.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 2, 2008 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JDude, who wants to see Stanford play? Oregon State is a tough team for your Civil War, but even Stanford doesn’t want to see Stanford play. And I really don’t want to see Stanford play in their shiny new ugly Stanford Stadium. The old one was classic. Nah, I’ll be skipping the Big Game for a few years.
No, we don’t claim to have a rivalry with SC but beating Oregon for the third year in a row, we’re pretty close to cementing our position as the clear #2 in the PAC-10. The Oregon State game in two weeks will go a long way towards that.
That said, Ducks are tough. I’m getting tickets to Autzen next year. But not Stanford.
And as Roy says, Berkeley is an awesome school. Best graduate school in the world. Best public university. Want a parking space? Get a Nobel Prize.
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
by Olsonist on Nov 2, 2008 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't flatter yourself...
Cal’s had the Ducks number the past few years, no question. Congratulations. But until OSU and AZ stop having yours, and you reach a BCS game, you will not be #2. Same goes for UO and everyone else in the league. The Pac-10’s second level of teams will continue to play musical chairs with one another until somebody steps up for an entire or season or two.
by jteubs on Nov 2, 2008 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's fair ...
but we should have gone to the Rose Bowl in 2005 instead of Texas.
Arizona has finished 9, 10, 8, 8, 5 and 6. Average is 7.6 Not so good.
Oregon has finished 8 3 5 2 5 4. Average is 4.5. So so. PAC-10 is a tough place.
OSU has finished 4, 5, 3, 7, 3 and 3. Average is 4.1. Better.
ASU has finished 3, 8, 3, 4, 5, and 1. Average is 4. About the same.
Cal has finished 4, 3, 2, 4, 1 and 7. Average is 3.5.
Under Tedford we’ve been somewhat better. Yeah, USC has averaged a bullet but they pay better.
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
by Olsonist on Nov 2, 2008 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's cool, I guess....
But, OSU is clearly better than Cal—OSU is 8-2 versus Cal in the last decade and Cal hasn’t beaten OSU at home since the 90’s.
Oregon State and USC are the only two teams to have winning conference records in each of the past 3 seasons.
Oregon State and USC are currently 2-1 or 3-0 in their 3 most recent games with every single Pac-10 school except for one.
Cal and Oregon don’t have enough talent to be considered 2nd best; OSU puts more players on the All Pac-10 team of any team besides USC. That’s why Cal and Oregon fade almost every year—not enough talent to win games late in the season.
Roses are Orange.
by CV3000 on Nov 2, 2008 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll grant that at this point Oregon State is definitely our bête noire. Still the Beavers have been a little disappointing these last six years: an upset of a good team mixed with a few losses. And I’d definitely take our recent NFL draft history over your All PAC-10 team.
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
by Olsonist on Nov 2, 2008 11:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok...
You would rather have players that succeed in the NFL than players that succeed in college?
Give me a Bill Swancutt, Mike Hass, Jonathan Smith, Derrick Doggett, Yvenson Bernard, Ken Simonton, James Newson, Slade Norris, Victor Butler, Dennis Weathersby, Joe Newton, Tim Euhus, Jeff Van Orsow, Joey Laroque, Braadon Hughes, Greg Laybourn, Alan Darlin, Calvin Carlyle, Brandon Browner, Keith Ellison, Trent Bray, Lyle Moevao, Shane Morales, Dorian Smith, Dwan Edwards, etc. Great college players who never succeeded in the NFL As a fan of a college team, I would rather the players succeed in college than the pros.
Giving [Batum] the freedom to go for steals is going to be like giving a redneck six boxes of ammo and a quarter mile of empty Bud cans. - Dave
by Cablinasian on Nov 2, 2008 11:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
There’s a million stats and a million awards lists. I’m just damned happy with how Cal has been doing under Tedford, and I like the direction we’re going in.
I’m also big on GPAs and graduation rates, which Tedford has improved at Cal because the vast majority of players don’t get a pro contract and those that do don’t last long. I saw that Leach at Texas Tech is good at graduation rates too, so props to him.
I too strongly prefer the college game. I almost never watch the pros unless its on at the gym when I walk by. And I’ve never been to a pro game.
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
by Olsonist on Nov 2, 2008 11:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The pro game just isn't the same.
I love the atmosphere of a good college game… the student section, band… and the family ties that go along with fanship. My parents married at Oregon State, so it has always been a family thing to watch and be fanatical about the orange and black..
I think Riley has improved the GPA and graduation rates… unfortunately the JC transfers absolutely kill the graduation rates. He has definitely brought in higher character guys than Erickson did.
Giving [Batum] the freedom to go for steals is going to be like giving a redneck six boxes of ammo and a quarter mile of empty Bud cans. - Dave
by Cablinasian on Nov 3, 2008 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
like who?
I’m trying to think of Cal players who start in the NFL…
Marshawn Lynch, Aaron Rodgers, Desean Jackson, Andre Carter, Nick Harris the punter, is Deltha O’Neal still in the league?
Anyone else?
Roses are Orange.
by CV3000 on Nov 2, 2008 11:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tony Gonzalez when he’s not saving Charger’s fans lives, is a serviceable TE.
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
by Olsonist on Nov 2, 2008 11:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tony is a legend.
I think OSU has 4 Pro Bowlers on offense, 1 guy who should be a Pro Bowler on defense (Nick Barnett), and a bunch of guys who are probably a missed tackle/dropped pass away from coaching their high school team.
What we should all notice is that there’s not very many offensive or defensive linemen from any of the schools in the league, and that is the difference between Cal, OSU, and uo going from where they are to being where they want to be.
Roses are Orange.
by CV3000 on Nov 2, 2008 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you’re missing the best corner in the league and a future hall of fame TE first of all in nnamdi asomugha and tony gonzalez
and guys like brandon mebane, langston walker, scott fujita
alumni tracker:
http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/alumni-tracker/school/4833
by falseintellect on Nov 3, 2008 12:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a look at 2007
Pretty close overall but the 2007 defense of Oregon State is tough to pile against. A couple people in the list below made it twice in various positions. That’s how it was separated on the site. Offense, Defense and Specialists.
First Team
(5) Oregon – Dennis Dixon, Jonathan Stewert, Max Unger, Nick Reed, Patrick Chung
(2) Oregon State – Roy Schuening, Dorian Smith
(3) Cal – Justin Forsett, Alex Mack, Jahvid Best
Second Team
(3) Oregon – Geoff Schwart, Fenuki Tupou, Jonathan Stewert
(8) Oregon State – Yvenson Bernard, Andy Levitre, Jeff Van Orsow, Joey LaRocque, Alan Darlin, Derrick Dogget, Brandon Hughes, Alexis Serna
(4) Cal – DeSeasn Jackson, Lavelle Hawkins, Zack Follett, DeSean Jacskon
Totals: Oregon State (10), Oregon (8), Cal (7)
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Nov 2, 2008 11:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and that doesn't even include Butler and Norris who combined for 19.5 sacks last year...
…the most of any pair of players on one team.
OSU’s greater number of All Pac-10 players extends back to 2000. It wasn’t just a one year wonder.
Roses are Orange.
by CV3000 on Nov 2, 2008 11:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the nice thing about stats
they are sort of like political promises, given the right framework, you can make them say almost anything you want. Not saying you are wrong, but just makes for some interesting impressions changing the parameters a bit.
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Nov 2, 2008 11:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is DeSean listed twice under Second team?
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by qrsouther on Nov 3, 2008 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
once for offense, once for special teams. A couple of people are like that in the list (but mainly between first and second team)…ala Jonathan Stewert
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Nov 3, 2008 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why Cal and Oregon fade almost every year—not enough talent to win games late in the season.
Depth of talent. Injuries suck
Dennis Dixon > Brady Leaf combined may equal the talent level of Lyle Moevao and Sean Canfield but I think you know the results of what would happen in each case.
Talent is there, the depth of it hasn’t always been
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Nov 2, 2008 11:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting Take
I went to the Oregon-Stanford game last year and I thought the new Stanford Stadium was excellent. It was easy to get to, a unique tailgating environment in the trees, comfortable fitted benches with backs on them and the design of the food areas was very well done. I am planning on going back again next year because of what a great environment it was to watch a game.
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Nov 2, 2008 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Stanford's Stadium and I love Memorial.
I’m a polystadiaist.
Roses are Orange.
by CV3000 on Nov 2, 2008 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
heh. Yeah. One of my favorite stadium moments was actually sitting on the “new” side of Reser, way up in one of the wings near the practice field. It was mid afternoon, a beautiful sunny day in the valley, about as nice a day as you could possibly imagine. From our seats, you had a wonderful view of not only the playing field, but a great view of the sunset. People were also generally in a good mood and didn’t harass me too much. Playing Portland State probably helped the moods. :)
The only thing that even came close to souring it was the stereotypical “redneck” guy in front of us turning around and saying to my buddy “hey, when you are done with that cup, can I have it? I need some place to spit my chaw”. My buddy said “uh no and its not even close to empty. I just got it.”
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Nov 2, 2008 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The WR'S really?
I do agree that our wr’s are not great, but the ball has to be put in the air. The long pass to harper aginst ucla was the only long pass that I can remember seeing Misoli throw. In order to get the wr’s better the qb has to throw the ball. Thomas has been the only qb that has been fearless and threw down field. I dont really get why we have not seen him play more. Roper takes the run threat out of the play, besides he is fragile. We used DT’s redshirt, so why not. Misoli just does not seem like he is comfrotable throwing deep, and has little touch on shallow passes. He is a beast in the run game, but as soon as we are 3rd and long we are in trouble. Oh yeah the play calling seemed bad too. Why keep trying to pass on 1st and keep getting your self in 3rd and long.
by ducksfan on Nov 3, 2008 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The more and more I thought about it this weekend, the more and more I continue to be in the Roper camp. Yes, I know…he can’t run. What he does give you is the ability to read the defenses (specifically linebackers) and he is more committed to the pass. Its not like he is immobile, he can run. He just can’t do it as quickly or as impressively as others. I think Bellotti’s comments over the weekend regarding missed receivers can’t be taken too lightly. Masoli has happy feet and just doesn’t look comfortable back there. I don’t buy the “short” argument for Masoli because he is the same height as Lyle Moevao.
As much as I like DT and want to see him do well, I wasn’t impressed by his time in the game against Washington State. He overthrew receivers badly and had the same issue with Boise State. Our receivers made plays on the ball against a team trying not to lose and I don’t think he would have the same success.
I don’t think we are in crisis mode. We just have the same issue we have had all season.
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Nov 3, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe in Roper or Masoli....
Roper can’t throw the ball more than 10 yards downfield and won’t try to run the ball. Would our offense be any better with Roper? Probably not, it’d just be a little bit different. While, as you said, Masoli get happy feet.
While DT wasn’t accurate against WSU, he stood in the pocket, and threw the ball down the field against BSU, which is something we need.
With how one-dimensional we are…we can’t move the ball effectively when we face a decent defense.
--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
by jtlight on Nov 3, 2008 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Im not saying that DT is Dixon right now, but he has all the tools. The only way he will get better is game experience. We should have beat down that Cal team. If we cannot pass down field we will get our ass kicked by OSU.
by ducksfan on Nov 3, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
While DT wasn’t accurate against WSU, he stood in the pocket, and threw the ball down the field against BSU, which is something we need.
What concerns me about this very thing is when his slight overthrows turn into interceptions. Roper and Masoli both can throw a deep ball. They have in the past. Roper with OSU last year, Masoli with UCLA this year. It is my belief and opinion that Roper’s strengths help make us multi-dimensional while Masoli’s strengths make us more one dimensional. Masoli has a tough time reading defenses as evident not only by his play, but also by Bellotti’s comments. Roper may not be as allusive as DT or Masoli but he can manage a game and makes good reads, even if he isn’t 100% accurate all the time.
I know, I know. We are having the same old conversation about QBs. I was wavering but I’m not ready to join the ABR club yet.
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Nov 3, 2008 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
QB argument
You know, this might be the best argument for Roper that I have seen. In a vacuum, I may like Masoli better with all of his tools. However, given the makeup of our team, we don’t need another rusher in the backfield. We need someone who can create,at the very least, the threat of a passing game. After watching Masoli’s performance on Saturday, I am not sure that he can do that right now.
So, if you’re only interested in the performance of this team for the remainder of this season and you feel that Roper is the best passer right now (including his inability to throw the ball down field), then it seems like a no-brainer. However, life is never that simple…
by ntrebon on Nov 3, 2008 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree and disagree.
Masoli, for whatever reason, isn’t playing like he did at the start of the season. Masoli was a decent passer (Not great). Against Utah State, he started throwing high, but after about 4-5 passes, he brought things down, and he was hitting his mark. That was standard Masoli form.
Maybe he can’t handle the pressure. Maybe it is because he had success against UCLA and ASU with his legs, he figured he found his groove with the scrambling. Whatever the reason, he isn’t playing QB anymore.
I think it’s an interesting argument that the strength of Masoli could also be the weakness. I would agree with that, but I also counter-argue that we aren’t getting anything different from Roper. The only difference is, Roper rarely makes the option to keep it on the option.
What was so great about last year was that we had the threat of passing anywhere on the field, the misdirections, the triple option, change of pace backs, and a dual-threat QB. There was no perfect defense against that.
This year we are so flat, we rarely run any misdirection, and we never pass the ball more than 7 yards down field. We have one QB who is inept at reading the spread option, one QB who can’t read linebackers.
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by JShufelt on Nov 3, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roper may be able to read defenses...
Even that I’m not so sure of. I still don’t think he can throw it down the field with any power or accuracy. He can’t throw the outs. He can pretty much hit screens and slants. Do we want that right now?
Or do we want to try to develop someone who can be much more successful in the future?
--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
by jtlight on Nov 3, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Or do we want to try to develop someone who can be much more successful in the future?
This is where the QB situation gets tricky. While I think I could be convinced that Roper is our best bet at giving us the best performance this year, I am not sure having him start the rest of the season provides us with the best chance of future success.
by ntrebon on Nov 3, 2008 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roper does that well...
He had a decent run in the 4th quarter that went for 10+ yards and it was a read where he pulled the ball back from the RB and made the first down. He does that very well and has had several longer runs like that when he was in the game.
Masoli seemed like every time he dropped back he ran out of the pocket in either direction. He had 21 “carries” against Cal. That is too much for a QB that has JJ and Blount in the same backfield. He also missed SEVERAL reads where he could have kept the handoff and made more yards than the RB.
The bottom line is that both of these young men are young men. They are not polished in the system and the playcalling is not allowing them to grow within the system. It seems like they are trying to get the basics of the Spread/Option system now and preparing for the future.
The Future is the question. We will be pondering the QB questions for a long time…
Costa – Can he come back from the injury(ies) and lead the teams as we hoped he would?
Roper – Can he throw the ball and still manage to display the offense as a running threat?
Masoli – Can he learn to throw the ball like a Spread/Option QB?
Thomas – Can we get him playing time so he won’t bail and play somewhere else?
Harper – Can we convince him that he will be better suited at WR or RB?
May we hand you your taints on a silver platter...
by 071903 on Nov 3, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes DT wasent as accurate vs washington st., but we did get to see him run and he did seem to do very good at that as well as he seems to be very fast.
by ducksfan on Nov 3, 2008 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Harper can run too. My point is that if we want to become multi-dimensional as an offense, we may have to put aside the “running” aspect of the QB position and work on finding that passing game, even at the expense of having a super mobile QB. Its not like Roper is a slug back there. He has nice touch on his passes and can make good reads. He may not always throw as deep as we would like but he has 6 games of experience. Masoli has a lot more given his Juco status and hasn’t made the transition to D1 fully yet.
I think if you want a passing game, you have to go with Roper until DT/Masoli can get more work in
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Nov 3, 2008 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Confidence
The one thing that I seen in DT that I have NOT seen in any of the other duck qb is confidence. The over throws are from not getting time with the offence. It takes practice with the first team recivers to get timing down. Im not sure, but hasent he put up more yards in one quarter that any other has done in a game? Again I am not sure of that. When he steped onto the field in Autzen he was confedent. I have not seen that from Roper or Masoli.
by ducksfan on Nov 3, 2008 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, that’s a very good point. He did have confidence coming in against Boise State and Roper/Masoli haven’t always shown that same sort of confidence although it has been there at points. DT did put up more in a quarter than any other QB. I think it was over 200 yards passing or something? My only knock on that is that he had nothing to lose, essentially coming in with Boise State way ahead and just being able to sling it around against a prevent defense.
--Dominic
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by dvieira on Nov 3, 2008 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it was prevent, but for a freshman to carve up a defence when they knew that the pass was coming was impresive.
by ducksfan on Nov 3, 2008 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It might have been prevent defense, but our WRs were beating coverage, and he was hitting them on top. It could have been cover 2. Boise State also had decent pressure, despite the coverage. Thomas gave the best passing performance of the year in that game.
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by JShufelt on Nov 3, 2008 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm torn.
Lose to Stanford and I say bring on Thomas.
I want to lean towards Masoli. I love that Somoan competitive spirit, but it just isn’t happening.
If someone could convince me that Roper is 100% healthy and 100% in game shape, I’d go that direction. I still remember being encouraged by his ‘07 Civil War and the beat down of South Florida. No, he can’t run much. But we don’t need the QB to run for 80 yards if he’s capable of passing for even 200. That passing threat would open up plenty of space for JJ and BFT.
Does anyone else worry that we’ve become so complex and “flashy” that we’ve sacrificed fundamentals? Seeing J-Will backpedal further down field when Masoli was flushed outside on 4th down – instead of coming back to the ball – was sickening. Really poor fundamental football. But our unis sure looked cool!
- Jeremy
by JConant on Nov 3, 2008 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And with a well balanced spread option offense, the QB doesn’t need to take it that often. Only when he sees the hole open up. Faster QBs can hit smaller holes and get 15 yards instead of 5. But he still needs to make that read and tuck it in when the chance opens up. (Which Roper didn’t do at Purdue, as their defense was keying in on JJ every time.)
U-Dub
Pass 39% Run 61%
Utah St.
Pass 40% Run 60%
Purdue
Pass 53% Run 47%
BSU
Pass 38% Run 62%
WSU
Pass 26% Run 74%
USC
Pass 46% Run 54%
UCLA
Pass 29% Run 71%
Ariz St.
Pass 41% Run 59%
Cali
Pass 39% Run 61%
Total
Pass 39% Run 61%
We definitely need balance.
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by JShufelt on Nov 3, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Flashy is good
being a flashy offence makes it very difficult to defend. Last year we were very flashy and very productive. If we could throw the ball this year we would be right were we left off last year. I just believe that DT is the future and we need to get him into the game. At the beginning of the year they made time for harper to get in. I just dont see why they will not do the same with DT.
by ducksfan on Nov 4, 2008 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Flashy only works if they are disciplined. With the exception of the O-Line, we have a pretty fresh crew on offense. Flashy without discipline often equates to mistakes.
As with Harper, we had some easy games early on, with no competition. We were up by 30+ points when we let Masoli and Harper take snaps. Since burning the redshirt, DT took some snaps at Boise St., USC, and Washington St. Now at the end of the season, we’re just now playing against equal peer competition, and we’ll need a QB that can compete. We can’t just cycle QBs with disregard of the score board. If we throw up 30+ points spread against Stanford, then we absolutely need to fit in play time with DT.
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by JShufelt on Nov 4, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
even when masoli is ineffective? Any offence without discipline will not work, that goes without saying. So far I think that DT gives up the most up side.
by ducksfan on Nov 4, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do any of us really know who the most effective QB is?
I can’t argue that any of them are effective. I’m not in the Roper boat, and he’ll have to really play a great game, and he’ll have to effectively throw deep once for me to say he’s our guy. He rarely takes the
Masoli has thrown deep (rarely). He’s got good mobility, and a good arm, but he isn’t being a competitor. He isn’t making a play in the pocket, or chancing a throw down field when he rolls out. He isn’t seeing the receivers or reading the defense well.
Thomas, we have one fair sample size against a rather crappy prevent defense, a minute sample size against USC, and a small sample size against WSU. We don’t know him, or his capability. The coaches aren’t throwing him out there, and I would have to suspect it’s for a reason.
I don’t know what the solution is. All of the QBs have shown that they have talent, but it is all very raw and unrefined. None of them are stepping up as a leader.
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by JShufelt on Nov 4, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t argue that any of them are effective. I’m not in the Roper boat, and he’ll have to really play a great game, and he’ll have to effectively throw deep once for me to say he’s our guy. He rarely takes the
… option even when the read is there, and the defense is keying on the RB. He’ll take a couple each game, but not as much as he probably should.
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by JShufelt on Nov 4, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that no one qb has taken the leader roll yet. Im just saying that in the samples that we have seen from DT they have been more impresive than the others. In one quarter he had a better game than Roper did against Utah st. I dont buy the whole weak prevent coverage. He was finding open guys and had touch on the ball with his deep throws. I just think that in that game he showed what he was made of.
by ducksfan on Nov 4, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike and Chip must develop a leader.
Many good points… Our inability to reach a consensus is clear evidence that no one quarterback has shown he has developed into a clear #1 starter. At the same time none can be called terrible – though they’ve each had their moments. I think the program is at risk of slippage if the coaches aren’t able to identify a clear pecking order for 2009 – which, in my humble opinion, starts with DT. Even if it means losing someone to a transfer. One guy has to get a significant majority of the reps, not only for his benefit, but for timing with the WRs, consistency with the RBs and cohesion with the O-line.
I hope we’re able to enjoy a strong finish to 2008. Spring ball should be very interesting.
- Jeremy
by JConant on Nov 4, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I second that
When people write we have to consider the score, what does that mean. What could DT do that the others have not. They all have thrown picks. Last week masoli threw a pick and turned into a score. So by that thinking we should have pulled him then. I just think that let DT play and If he plays well why not keep him in. To say that puting him in early could cost us the game is kind of rediculous isnt it.
by ducksfan on Nov 5, 2008 1:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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