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Civil War Write Up

Hey guys, so in case you didn't know, there's kind of an important game coming up. Almost a dream match up (althought I don't think much will ever top the 2000 Civil War, 2 top 6 teams playing for a Pac10 'ship and bowl rights and everything else that came with that) with two top 20 teams, playing for so much. Yeah, we are playing for the Rose Bowl (what?!) but I think you Duck fans should remember that you're playing for so much more than just ruining our dreams. You've got your own bowl aspirations riding on this game.

Anyways, I'm going to be writing a post later this week (probably Wed or Thurs) about what the Civil War means to both sets of fans. Not specific to just this year, but every year. What makes this game important to UO fans? Include any past stories (I know about the past games, so write about personal experiences, rather then recaps of old games) experiences (good or bad) and overall the feeling you get when the Monday of Civil War Week rolls around. I ask only a couple things:

1. Be intelligent. Jabs and insults are always welcomed, but stupid "you guys fuck sheep" jokes are getting old. Corn jokes, eh. Cow jokes, whatever. But if you promise to lay off the gay sheep, I promise for no meth jokes. But expect plenty of hippy jabs. Game on.

2. Be honest to yourself. Yes, you claim to hate the Huskies more than the Beavs. But I know that Duck fans never, EVER, want to lose to little brother. And after all year long of hearing how you root for us, this is the week to finally let it out and say how much you hate the Beavs. And we want to know. It makes hating the Ducks that much easier :-D.

3. Have fun with it. The funnier the insult, the better. Anyone can curse your mother or swear he slept with your sister (even though we all know you didn't), so be clever and original.

Anyways guys, I appreciate the time. Look forward to hearing your responses. And as always GO BEAVS BEAT OREGON

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I’ve been at one Civil War in person and that was 2 years ago at Reser Stadium. A friend of mine got tickets through his work and it was on the old side, 3/4’s of the way up under the cover. We sat next to an old classmate of Don Essig (UO announcer) and chatted about the rivalry most of the game. My friend and I were dressed in full Duck garb and didn’t receive any crap from anyone, not even once. We saw our Ducks come back in the final moments only to have Oregon State come back again and Evenson blow it on the missed field goal to the end the game. The range of emotions were high and at the end of the day, my friend and I shook hands with the Beaver fans around us, said “what an amazing game!” and left having a wonderful experience.

I don’t get the little brother, little sister crap people throw around and I probably never will. We sucked at the same time, we rocked at the same time. We’ve been fairly equal in awesomeness and suckiness for years (yeah I know there is wiggle room there). It wasn’t that long ago when Washington had that attitude about Oregon being their “little brother” and look what happend. First people to actually inform me about the “little brother” comment? Beaver fans.

Beaver fans are the biggest Duck fans I know. They always want to talk about what Oregon is doing, what new programs they have, whether their uniforms are cool or not and their recruiting trips.

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 23, 2008 4:31 PM PST reply actions  

Civil War 06

We members of the band had a different experience in Corvallis that year. As the game ended and Beaver fans spilled on to the field there was a good portion of hate aimed our way. Your standard middle fingers and mean names. But I will never forget to middle age man decked in camo waving a actual dead duck from a noose. Not going to lie, I was a little scared. I know this is extreme fan behavior, and not all Duck fans are Daisy Ducks.

Ducks Go!

by trumpetduck on Nov 23, 2008 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

speaking of the band

Hats off to you guys. The battle of the bands thing before the game with the OSU band was great. Also, to start the game where the two bands formed the logos of each school…really well done and top notch.

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 23, 2008 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

thanks

we’re doing that at halftime this year.

the only thing fun about ’06 was late in the second half when it was to the point where we were all drenched, so we just started throwing water on people.

I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by Takimoto on Nov 23, 2008 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

The question to me is

With a Duck win and some how all the top 4 losing and USC going to the national championship, would the Rose bowl selection committee select a 9-3 Oregon team? or go for one of the two loss teams? I personally think we would get shafted in that scenario again

"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy

by Trail Ducker on Nov 23, 2008 6:14 PM PST reply actions  

No 9-3 team can ever get shafted for the BCS.

Oregon does not deserve to go to a BCS game, even if they win.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 23, 2008 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

ya, i guess i meant shafted on a personal basis

We would deserve the Holiday, not the Rose Bowl

"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy

by Trail Ducker on Nov 24, 2008 12:34 AM PST up reply actions  

no 9-3 team deserve the rose bowl?

If thats the case why would OSU deserve to go? We have the same record. Just curious

by ducksfan on Nov 24, 2008 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Cause they would have won their conference.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 24, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

There is no selection committee for the rose bowl.

There is just a list of tiebreakers that decide it. And I think you guys needed furd to win if you had any hope of making it.

by AnotherBeaverFirstDown on Nov 23, 2008 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I think we lose all the tiebreakers now, even if we do win. I think the Stanford loss to Cal sealed our deal

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 23, 2008 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

The Rose Bowl can choose a different team...

If one of the main teams goes to the national title game. That is how Illinois got in last year.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 23, 2008 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Rob Mosely goes through a bunch of scenarios for the ducks

Basically, we can’t get to the Rose Bowl, but there is a very likely chance we’ll get the Holiday Bowl if we win.

by pacer12 on Nov 23, 2008 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

oops, I skimmed over "USC going to the national championship"

Well in that case, I think they’d choose Boise State over Oregon. Too many overrated big 12/SEC teams in the way for UO to be eligible.

by AnotherBeaverFirstDown on Nov 23, 2008 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

on sportscenter it said Beavs clinch with win over oregon, usc clinches with win over ucla and beaver loss, and oregon clinches with win over beavs and usc loss to ucla. That would leave a 3 way tie, what is the tie breaker?

by bmxryder507 on Nov 23, 2008 8:35 PM PST reply actions  

it would be record against the next highest finisher. In the case that us, the Beavs, and SC finish 7-2, it comes down to what we did against Cal. We lost, SC and OSU won. That means we’re out and it’s back to head to head, so OSU gets the automatic bid. That’s why Cal beating Stanfurd effed us, because we would’ve needed UCLA to be involved in the tiebreaker to eliminate USC first.

I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by Takimoto on Nov 23, 2008 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Precisely.

Alright time's up lez do this...

by qrsouther on Nov 23, 2008 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Really?

I thought it was non-conference record, which would eliminate OSU, and then USC would would get the nod because they beat us head to head

by bradLL99 on Nov 24, 2008 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

That's what I remember from when Oregon didn't get the ruling in 2000.

But I guess the rules have changed since then.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 24, 2008 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

if you promise to lay off the gay sheep, I promise for no meth jokes

Except for the fact that players on the OSU football team actually stole the gay sheep for their own pleasure. Eugene may have a high level or meth crime in the city but no Duck Football player, fan or anyone else associated with the University of Oregon has ever used/manufactured/been arrested for possession of meth. Ever

by DeltaDuck on Nov 23, 2008 8:59 PM PST reply actions  

PS

can we have your coach?

by DeltaDuck on Nov 23, 2008 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not Eugene

He never forgets to meticulously specify Lane County (we’re looking at you, Springfield.)

Alright time's up lez do this...

by qrsouther on Nov 23, 2008 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

A simple "YOU GUYS FUCK SHEEP!" would suffice

Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.

by PacBellBoozer on Nov 23, 2008 11:30 PM PST up reply actions  

To me, the Civil War is like playing a game with friends and/or family.
I have a lot of friends that are huge OSU fans, and it’s fun to josh around with them and stuff. It makes the game fun. It’s the game that gives a whole fan base bragging rights for a year – It is the best way to end a season.

Last year was a prime example, I had high hopes of winning – but I knew those high hopes were “pie-in-the-sky” hopes – the fact that we even made it a close game (Not to mention being in position to win), was simply astounding – and yet not uncommon for the Civil War.

There might be some sort of big-brother/little-brother crap that gets traded and tossed around – but the truth is, these programs are overall on par with each other. I’ve ran into some pretty shitty OSU fans, but they nor the program have ever done anything that would warrant me really hating them.

It's spelled "S-h-u-p-o-o-p-i".

by JShufelt on Nov 24, 2008 8:26 AM PST reply actions  

Isn't it sad to lose to your "special" brother 3 out of the last 4 times?

And to only beat your “often less capable” a mere 9 more times in 110 years of playing?

Man it must suck.

Oregon State: where play action defense and healthy QBs thrive

by The VD Special on Nov 24, 2008 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

It sucks a lot.

It's spelled "S-h-u-p-o-o-p-i".

by JShufelt on Nov 24, 2008 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

It is indeed.

our little brother has become something of a savant in recent years.

I heart taxes.

by everett on Nov 24, 2008 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Little Brother

I’m still not sure where that comes from. The only time I think of that is when a Beav fan just won’t stop comparing the Beavs to the Ducks. Then THAT FAN comes across as having a “little brother syndrome” but not the program itself. I don’t see OSU as a little brother, just some of the fans that have to compare EVERY win/loss/etc to what the Ducks did. Can you see that?

It’s kind of in line with the comment I left on the link below. Did you see that, VD?

http://www.addictedtoquack.com/2008/11/22/667956/open-thread-bye-week#10201054

I like the yellow helmets!

by MarineCorpsDuck on Nov 24, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

They have the whole good cop, bad cop thing going.

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 24, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

It's a complex

It’s all mental. I don’t know why it is, but everything that happens with Oregon State, I compare to Oregon. It’s not jealousy. I think what it is truly is that I hate about the Ducks is the amount of hype that they get, for what little they live up to. Not saying UO has a bad program. But I feel like the media builds them into something they are not, and it is just annoying hearing it all the time. Take this last week for example: UO didn’t even play, yet moved up 5 spots in the AP. Now I know a lot of teams in front of them lost, but 5 spots?! A shining example of what I hate the most is what some ESPN douche bag blogger Duck fan wrote (this isn’t verbatum, but the basics are there):
Oregon goes 10-2, gets to the Holiday Bowl, and loses, and it’s considered an unsuccessful season
Oregon State goes 8-4, makes it to the Emerald Bowl and wins, and it’s considered a successful season

It’s seriously makes me question when Oregon became this monster of a program, you know? Just because Phil Knight throws some money around, doesn’t make it one of the top programs in the country. Facilities mean nothing when the team consistently only wins 7-9 games a year. T Boone Pickens donated a shit ton of money to Oklahoma State, but we all know what that program really is (despite their recent success this year).

So I guess the comparisons, especially more recently, is that you get all this preseason hype, all the talk, all the media backing, and basically do what Oregon State does. Yet we constantly get no love. You’d get annoyed too if it were happening to UO

Oregon State: where play action defense and healthy QBs thrive

by The VD Special on Nov 24, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you meant had they been close to Penn State

but you are absolutely right on, as we’ve said on this blog A LOT.

You could look at the season as an elimination tournament for national attention, the farther you go without loosing the more you get (with recent and historic success keeping the threshold needed to get attention a little lower for some teams).

by bradLL99 on Nov 24, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

The Programs are Different

I’ve heard both Oregon and Oregon State fans talk about this a lot as one of the main differences between the two programs. Oregon has established a tradition of “reinventing itself” over the last decade. New uniforms, new main logo, amazing facilities and a huge marketing program. Oregon State, by contrast, doesn’t take the same approach to the marketing of their brand. OS employs more of a traditionalist, conservative approach. I don’t think you will see any huge banners in New York with Quizz on it (although I think it would be awesome).

In my opinion, and I’m no marketing major, but Oregon has been trying to position itself as a regular power in the nation (not just the Pac-10) for the last 10 years and people recognize that. We start off really well, and garner attention that way. We have our relationship with Nike that helps our marketing out tremendously. Oregon State, by contrast, hasn’t looked to make a national name for itself over the last decade. Instead, the Beaver program has been quietly winning games, winning bowls and recruiting top notch talent.

If Oregon State has hit the point in the development of their program that they want to be highly regarded nationally, they need to start taking steps to move past comparing everything they do to Oregon. We did it with Washington when they were good and a national power and our program bloomed. Oregon State has the chance to do the same thing with USC.

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 24, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Quizz on a huge banner?

He’d be like 8 feet tall haha

Oregon State: where play action defense and healthy QBs thrive

by The VD Special on Nov 24, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Moving 5 spots for not playing is stupid. It's not 1 or 2 spots. BUT 5.

And as for last year, I give Oregon credit. I know what they were with Dixon. But take this year for example, after playing arguably 3 of the worst teams in college football (Utah St, WSU, and UW) people were writing this team to take over USC. It is media build up. Hell, people were talking about it even before the season without evening knowing who was going to be QB!

Look, I am in no way trying to take away from what Oregon has accomplished. But aside from location and being natural rivals, what I hate most is the constant hype. Constantly. Just you watch. Regardless of what happens Saturday, if you win your bowl game and finish 9-3, Oregon will be ranked in the top 20 again next year and talks of “over taking USC” will start as soon as the bowl season is over.

Oregon State: where play action defense and healthy QBs thrive

by The VD Special on Nov 24, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Please, provide some links. I think you're making crap up.

No one was saying that Oregon was going to take over for USC (after beating the first 3 teams). If they were…they are complete idiots. And I flat out don’t think that happened (in the media). If it did happen in real media, you could easily link to it, so please, back up what you say.

As far as the poll thing…that has nothing to do with any media build up. If any team was in that position, they would have risen. That has nothing to do with Oregon. That’s just how polls work.

And also, we could go the other way. If OSU wins and wins the Rose Bowl, there will be a lot of talk about them overtaking USC. This doesn’t mean that talk is fraudulent.

My problem with all of these complaints about lack of respect is that it completely and totally ignores how media, etc. work. Oregon does not get rated higher in the polls because of their uniforms or anything else. They get rated higher when they win more games. They get more attention when they win, and because they get higher rated recruits most of the time.

Oregon State is a great story, and is getting a shitload of respect and attention this year.

And I will say this again. When the vast majority of college football fans watch football, they want to watch good teams and big games. Oregon has gotten more attention because they have played in more big games. OSU got attention after they beat USC, and it wasn’t given as much until they beat Arizona and Cal, because those were big important games. OSU has not put itself in a position to even play those games since 2000. That is why they don’t get the attention.

Oh, Oregon may get a mention here or there due to Phil Knight or the uniforms, or whatever. But that does not bring respect. It’s a punchline more than anything else.

Again, please…some links on the hype for Oregon this season, any talk from any reputable source about overtaking USC. Ted Miller was so high on Oregon, he thought they’d finish 2nd! What hype.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 24, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Ted Miller was so high on Oregon, he thought they’d finish 2nd! What hype.

Still could, just need a win Saturday to tie for second place at 7-2 in the Pac-10

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 24, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Really, it would be second place, cause we'd have beaten OSU

So we’d be ahead of them.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 24, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Well… sorta. If we beat OSU, we’d still technically be tied for 2nd – just like were were technically 4th place last year.

But the Holiday Bowl would probably rather seen the winner of the Civil War with Cal being their 2nd option.

It's spelled "S-h-u-p-o-o-p-i".

by JShufelt on Nov 24, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Links

I’d like to see some of those links too. I may be wrong, but I seem to remember reading everywhere that we’d finish about 8-4 or 9-3. That doesn’t seem like a lot of hype. If we finish 9-3, with Masoli, Blount, Dickson, Thurmond, Byrd, and Ward (and others) returning, I don’t see anything wrong with being preseason top 25. Just like with the Rogers Bros, Lyle, and most of the defense returning I wouldn’t be suprised at all to see the Beavs preseason top 25 next year whether you win the CW or not.

Answer me this…are you saying that if you guys finish 9-3 that you think you SHOULDN’T be preseason top 25 next year? If you should, why should the Beavs be top 25 at 9-3, but the Ducks shouldn’t when we are returning pretty much the same amount of players next year? What does a team have to do in your eyes to be preseason top 25?

Hype…we were 21st AP and 20th Coaches poll preseason this year. Do you think that is overhyped? You are saying that you don’t think that at 8-3 we should be top 25?

I’m really curious to see links to the preseason “hype” because I truly remember there being TONS of questions and not much hype. Mostly what I heard was, “how the heck are they going to replace Stewart and Dixon?” The one thing that was VASTLY overhyped was the defense. I will give you that. But I just don’t feel like being ranked preseason #21 is a lot of hype.

I like the yellow helmets!

by MarineCorpsDuck on Nov 24, 2008 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe VD isn’t so much talking about hype as he is just “attention”. We have had our fair share of it leading up to the season….

There was talk going into the season about how well our offense was going to perform. Costa and Roper had quite the competition going until Costa blew out his knee again. That got a lot of attention and was the talk of the state for about 2 weeks before the season started. Oregon also had a Pac-10 game to start the season in Washington, with them being, in many Duck fans’ eyes, our biggest rival. Who was this Masoli kid and how did he fit in? Was J-will going to drop more balls this year? How many scoreless games were we going to have on defense because of the secondary? Pryor might come to Oregon? Chung is coming back for his senior year.

The line on Oregon State was a lot different. How are they going to replace their front 7? Will their O-line hold up? How well will Ryan McCants do as their running back?

Then, Stanford happen and the all of these feelings about Oregon State were realized. Washington happend and suddenly Oregon was on top of the world. Little did we know that Washington was still awful and that Stanford was going to have a decent year. Oregon certainly had attention to start the year and they should have. They were in contention for the National Championship last year. Oregon State was going to be a good team but I don’t think many people predicted just how great Quiz was going to be. OSU has feel good stories all over it and regardless of the outcome of the Civil War, they have a great 2009 coming up. They have a patsy early schedule, the Rogers Brothers are coming back and an even more experienced QB tandem coming back (brewing 2 QB system?)

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 24, 2008 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Well...

Of course there has been a disparity of attention throughout the entire year. Oregon had more attention early, and OSU has had more since the USC games. This makes totally perfect sense.

Over the past few years, Oregon has had more attention. And, there are many reasons for that. Despite what Beaver fans claim, it’s not due to just marketing by the athletic department and gimmicks. Oregon has played in big games, and has put itself into position to play these games. Due to their early season struggles, OSU has not put itself in a position to gain national attention on the field. They may think they deserve it, but that is not how the world works. And this attitude has been what has driven much of the little brother syndrome, especially in the past few years, when Oregon and OSU have been fairly equal in overall record, but Oregon has gotten more attention.

My problem here is that 1) OSU fans cannot seem to accept this and move on. And 2) they have to make up stuff like “Oregon was being talked about as overtaking USC 3 games into the season.” This was simply not the case. Oregon has not been above 16th all year, and that was week 2. They dropped to 17th in the AP poll after the close win at Purdue. They then lost to BSU, and have just gotten back into the Top 20, due mostly to the crapitude that is the 15-35 places this year.

What I think is at the bottom of this is that OSU fans seem to have this deep belief that they’ll always be the little brother, for whatever. That’s not the case. Win on Saturday, you’ll get a lot of respect because both teams are in the Top 25. And it’s this simple, DON’T SUCK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR! If they could do that, and finish, and get to better bowls than the Sun or the Emerald, that’d be great.

I said at the beginning of the season that none of this would change until OSU competed for a Pac-10 title. Well, guess what, they are doing that. That’s a huge step, and because of that, they’re getting respect. Win the Civil War, and don’t crap the bed next season, and that will continue.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 24, 2008 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

But if they don’t crap the bed, how will they get warmth while they sleep?
Your logic is flawed.

It's spelled "S-h-u-p-o-o-p-i".

by JShufelt on Nov 24, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

Alright time's up lez do this...

by qrsouther on Nov 24, 2008 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I am working on a paper for a class right now, but I'll do some searching tonight

And try to find those articles. Granted, it was probably mostly just Ted Miller shooting his mouth off, which leads to typical Beaver paranoia. But I specifically remember thinking and discussing among peers “what has this team done to warrant this type of discussion.” I didn’t mean to offend anyone, I’m just trying to offer some points from the other side of the fence.

Oregon State: where play action defense and healthy QBs thrive

by The VD Special on Nov 24, 2008 4:17 PM PST reply actions  

No offense taken

And my comments weren’t meant to be offensive.

Also, Ted Miller had a lot of faith in the Ducks at the beginning of the season (which may end up being true if they can take the #2 spot). But he was also more bullish on OSU than many others were.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 24, 2008 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah but I guess the difference is his #2 ranking for UO was basically challenging USC

Rather then slipping into #2 at the last game of the season. Does that make sense? I feel like there is a difference, but I could be wrong.

Oregon State: where play action defense and healthy QBs thrive

by The VD Special on Nov 24, 2008 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

There is a difference

and I see what you are saying. I keep reading in this post that we were getting this attention “after the 3rd game.” Well the 3rd game was the Purdue game, and we went DOWN in ranking after that so I guess I just can’t see anyone saying it at that point. The next game was BSU, and they certainly didn’t say it after that loss. Then we beat WSU, and if anyone took anything from any game against WSU this season they are just dumb. Then we got destroyed at USC. All I read on THIS BLOG all season was along the lines of "well, it’s week 3 (or 4 or 5 or …) and we still have no idea where we’re at.

Oh, and I know you meant no offense. I hope by now you know I meant no offense. You love your team, we love our team. You have more than proven the ability to carry on a rational debate!

I like the yellow helmets!

by MarineCorpsDuck on Nov 24, 2008 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that Miller thought that Oregon would get good QB play.

I said in my preseason poll, which was similar to Miller’s, that Oregon would be 10-2 if they got B QB play. Well, they had absolutely crappy QB play in 2 of their losses (well, all but the 4th quarter of the BSU game). They can still go 9-3 and get 2nd if they win this next game, so really, I wouldn’t consider that too shabby at all.

Miller assumed that Oregon would have competent to explosive QB play in the form of Nate Costa, and that fell apart before the season began. If Costa lived up to unreasonable expectations, which was barely possible (not likely), he would give Oregon a chance to compete with USC, depending on the unknown quantity of Costa. This was obviously a faulty assumption. Miller argued that if Costa lived up to expectations, which was most likely not going to happen (Costa was ranked 6th by Miller), they could compete with USC. That fell apart before the season began.

Does this mean that this argument was invalid? No, it doesn’t. We would have had a physically talented QB in his 3rd year in the system, rather than a physically talented QB learning on the fly, with little D1 practice under his belt. Even with Roper, Miller seemed to assume that UO would get competent QB play. Well, that didn’t happen so much either. If they had competent play at the QB spot, Oregon would be 9-2 at the least, with a great chance at beating BSU (if their QB hadn’t been knocked out).

Now, this was all based on my recolection of what Miller said in pre-season. It may have seemed that way to me as a Duck fan, or he may have seemed to a shill to a Beaver fan. But I think that Miller did a good job backing up his opinion with WHY he thought that, which is key. There are moronic writers. Miller certainly isn’t right all the time, but he usually gives reasons why he thinks what he does.

t’s not forget, Miller was in a minority. Oregon fell a little after 3rd in the mass of opinions that came out.But my point is not to play what-if. It’s most to say, I don’t think that Miller or others is an example of hype/opinion. Miller had his opinions, and I think, knowing what we knew at the time, they weren’t unreasonable. They made assumptions, sure, but when you’re looking into the future at any point, you have to make assumption.

Do Beaver fans get pissed because they don’t get picked for 2nd in the pac-10? It seems that way to me. OSU could be headed for the Rose Bowl, but hasn’t been picked to finish in the top half of the Pac-10 for some time.

But then again, non one saw Jacquizz coming….

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 24, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

P.S.

I see what you’re talking about on the Ted Miller’s blog. But I’m seeing it both ways. I see idiot flamers for both teams.

I like the yellow helmets!

by MarineCorpsDuck on Nov 25, 2008 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup. The larger the web organization, the more diluted it gets with idiots.

It's spelled "S-h-u-p-o-o-p-i".

by JShufelt on Nov 25, 2008 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

And let's not forget...

This is only comments, and pretty much carry no weight whatsoever.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 25, 2008 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s a lifestyle I live by – which is why I rarely fanpost/shot.

It's spelled "S-h-u-p-o-o-p-i".

by JShufelt on Nov 25, 2008 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Amen

rec’d

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 25, 2008 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

…with pictures of Dennis Dixon

by inroywetrust on Nov 25, 2008 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

word,

Rodgers is a much better backup than anything we had to fill Dixon’s shoes.

I heart taxes.

by everett on Nov 25, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Alright, I read a little of Miller's blogs from the preseason last night

Sorry I didn’t attach links. I was tired, but wanted to do a little research. Here are some basics:
1. Ted Miller (and most every analyst) had Oregon as the #2 team in the conference, which could still happen but…
1a. That #2 also came with the asterisk (like I mentioned above) that they believed Oregon would challenge for the Pac10 title, despite not knowing who the QB would be, and having inexperience at LB (which was one of the main reasons for OSU to “fall” this year)
2. OSU was picked to finish in the bottom half of almost every preseason conference poll
2a. The reasons: replacing the ENTIRE front 7 is what people have said. However, Slade Norris and Victor Butler were both returning after wrecking havoc on the Pac10 last year, and year in and year out new guys step into our LB role and fill in almost without a hitch.

So I realize now what I meant by hype/attention. Yes, the Ducks are exactly where most people would have predicted them (around 8-10 wins). And 2nd in the Pac10 is still within reach. And they started off ranked around #20 nationally. Where I get frustrated is the lack of respect that the Beavers get. Granted, I didn’t have Oregon State getting to the Rose Bowl, but I felt that with as solid coaching as we have, 8-9 wins wasn’t out of reach by any means. Most pundits had us around 5-6 wins. I just feel like if UO had the same exact situation as us, people would be looking at the positives rather then the negatives.

Also, on the Quizz issue. I think if you read the Beavers bloggers we are more then confident that McCants is a qualified starting running back for us. Is he as explosive and dynamic as Quizz? No. But I don’t think any OSU fan would use Quizz as an excuse. We live off our defense, and it’s as healthy as could be.

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by The VD Special on Nov 25, 2008 1:34 PM PST reply actions  

The #1 reason...

…and we’ve been over this, is lack of recruiting “stars.” People may wake up, but OSU is about the only team nationally to overachieve to the degree that OSU has done year after year.

I also think that Oregon has been building a program for a much longer amount of time. OSU didn’t have a winning season (for like 30 years) until 9 years ago. Oregon started doing this a long time ago, and didn’t start getting “respect” until after the 2000 season. Keep it up, and you’ll get respect.

As for McCants: I look forward to him. I was dreading Quizz. But the Oregon defense has handled backs like McCants very very well. I think the Oregon D is gonna eat him up.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 25, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

The Oregon D might eat up McCants... but beware the play action :-)

He is a hoss though. When he gets moving, he bulls over people

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by The VD Special on Nov 25, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh I don't doubt that.

But Oregon has been able to handle Johnson (BSU) and Gerhart with seeming ease. Yes, against BSU we couldn’t handle the play action, but that has improved.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 25, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

But I would argue in defense that our OLine is much better then that of Boise State’s or Stanford’s

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by The VD Special on Nov 25, 2008 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm...

I would disagree…I think that Quizz has been the best back in the league. Stanford has good backs, but their O-line has led them to be a better in YPG and YPG over OSU.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 25, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Their rushing YPG is better

Because their passing YPG is AWFUL

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by The VD Special on Nov 25, 2008 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say that's due to their O-line.

They’ve in the upper half of the conference in sacks allowed, and have a high YPC. They definitely have a solid O-line. If OSU had a higher yards per carry, I would understand that, but they don’t.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 25, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

But who has FEWEST sacks allowed

And we’ve played all the same teams, except we haven’t played UO yet…

I’m not saying that their OLine isn’t good, I would just argue that ours is better

YPC isn’t an indication so much to how good an OLine is, as it is how explosive a guy is after he beats the line. The line only accounts for what 2-3 yards? After that, it’s up to the RB’s vision and explosiveness

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by The VD Special on Nov 25, 2008 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Yikes. Football Outsiders, and Beyond the Box Scores, whom I think have developed the best system of statistics, track offensive line production by:

  • Losses: 120% value
  • 0-4 Yards: 100% value
  • 5-10 Yards: 50% value
  • 11+ Yards: 0% value

It's spelled "S-h-u-p-o-o-p-i".

by JShufelt on Nov 25, 2008 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Essentially, if the runner loses anything, the failure of the run is on the O-Line
0-4 yards, the runner got what the line gave them, and nothing more.
5-10 yards, the runner found a good hole, made a few miss, and the line gave a good hole.
11+ yards, the runner made everything past 10 yards happen on his own.

Those are the basic rules of thumb. The value doesn’t have as much, well, value without understanding the rest of the statistics surrounding it (S&P, PPP, etc.). I find it really interesting, and a very accurate way to gauge performance. It’s like the OPS+ of football.

Due to some unknown delays, I haven’t been able to formulate all the numbers, but during the off season, I hope to have a whole series, breaking down the performance of each aspect of each Pac-10 team of the ’08 season.

It's spelled "S-h-u-p-o-o-p-i".

by JShufelt on Nov 25, 2008 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

That is fantastic.

I sincerely can’t wait.

I heart taxes.

by everett on Nov 25, 2008 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Is that good for Oregon State or Oregon?

If I’m reading it correctly, it favors Quizz.

One thing I noticed about the Oregon offense this year, which has been their biggest downfall- Blount/Johnson/Masoli, whoever, they will either get HUGE gains, or be stopped. So they either get TDs or 3 and outs, but are really unable to sustain more then a couple drives per game. So it’s not the quick fire offense that’s hurting them, it’s when they go 3 and out or get a 1st down on the 1st play then get 2 plays of only a couple yards and are forced into 3rd and long in which Masoli has proven he can’t pass (except for 1 half of 1 game)

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by The VD Special on Nov 25, 2008 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, you are right. We have lived and died by the big play this year. We’ve also had some costly turnovers where Oregon State has excelled in that area. I think Masoli has turned some sort of corner when it comes to passing though. There were some interesting articles on Chip Kelly’s work on tailoring the offense for someone as small as he is and it has taken awhile to get the hang of it. My opinion is that the offense is starting to gel but is still a bit inconsistent in how it works. Masoli seemed to get a LOT from the Stanford comeback and really showed it in the first half of the Arizona game. The potential is there, and the mental stuff is there. The question for the Civil War is can you put it together to give your defense a break against a team where Time of Possession is everything

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 25, 2008 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Is 1 good half of 1 game enough to say "Turn the corner" or rather "showed potential"

I wish Oregon would have played this past weekend, so we could have gotten some more answers on Masoli.

Not to take away from what Oregon did in that first half, but it was one of those things where EVERYTHING was going right for them on offense. Arizona couldn’t figure it out, until halftime when they made some adjustments.

I’m interested to see what Masoli does in a rivalry game. He has kind of shrunk in arguably the biggest games this year (USC, Cal) but showed grit against Stanford to come back like that. I guess all our questions will be answered Saturday

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by The VD Special on Nov 25, 2008 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

hard to say on the distinction. I want to say “Turn the Corner” because of the history of Oregon QBs. Most Oregon QBs in recent history have had that “big comeback” that jumpstarted their careers. Joey had it, Kellen had, Dennis even had it. Because our offense relies so much on zone reads by the QB, once they start to see things, the field really opens up and the offense starts to shine. The second half of Arizona was a couple of bad series combined with long Arizona drives. That’s the downside of the way we play. We got big plays early and did a good job in the first half. Once we hit a 3 and out a couple of times in the second half, the defense got winded and started giving up long drives.

The other reason why I say “turned the corner” is because the season has gone in thirds for us.

Start of the year = QB unknown but most likely Roper
Middle of the year = Roper hurt, Harper not the guy, Masoli = best chance but raw
Last part of the year = Masoli starting to get it, making better decisions but far from perfect

I see a bit of progression there. I think Masoli showed potential at the beginning of the year and even had some good moments against USC and Cal.

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 25, 2008 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I'll take it

But I still think potential is the word. He has a good game against us, and I’ll say turn the corner.

Even Sam Bowie had good moments

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by The VD Special on Nov 25, 2008 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

hey don’t get me wrong. Masoli is no Ropert but how can you be? I mean really

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 25, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Ropert – the next stegosaurus?

It's spelled "S-h-u-p-o-o-p-i".

by JShufelt on Nov 26, 2008 1:49 AM PST up reply actions  

turning the corner?

There was a lot of progress made at Stanford. That game should not have been close, except for some costly turnovers.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 25, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely. But I would be willing to bet, a good sum of those stuffs were because of a bad zone read by the QB. Nearly all the running plays Oregon runs are that.

It's spelled "S-h-u-p-o-o-p-i".

by JShufelt on Nov 25, 2008 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

A couple things that scare/encourage me about our D vs your O

Scary: We pursue, a lot. If you notice our defense, we swarm to the ball. It’s been both a positive and a negative. When a guy gets stood up, you better believe the D is gonna be all over him. It’s like the team gets hungrier when seeing a guy about to get stopped behind the line. BUT, your little zone reads can be deadly. If all the LBs and DLine run to Johnson or Blount, then Masoli could cause havoc. However..

Encouragin: Our defense is as fast a defense you have faced since USC. If just one of our guys keys up against Masoli, it could spell trouble for the Ducks. I imagine Oregon being put in a lot of 3rd and 5+ or longer, and will need to see Masoli’s arm.

I think it’s going to be a great game, personally, and it could really go either way, which scares me

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by The VD Special on Nov 25, 2008 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I agree with your assessment VD. I will say that Arizona was using a little misdirection against Oregon State but not a whole lot. They had the misdirected shovel pass and a really awkward looking counter play but outside of that, it was run up the middle and throw the ball. It could have been the gameplan Oregon State employed for Arizona but there was some over pursuit but the speed and recovery by the second level compensated for it

Oregon employs a lot more misdirection in their schemes and they are pretty fast, especially in the running game. Arizona’s running game didn’t seem that great going into the OSU game and the announcers even mentioned that they had just started employing that more this year to help Tui. I think the speed matchup combined with the misdirection elements will be an interesting matchup to watch. Will Oregon State hold their keys on the misdirection plays? Over pursuing on just one (with Masoli making the right read) could prove to be painful

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 25, 2008 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh wait

I get what it is saying, nevermind

I thought that was for running backs

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by The VD Special on Nov 25, 2008 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s a bit tricky without the rest of the information, but that is the current “gauge” of O-Line performance – as far as rushing statistics go.

It's spelled "S-h-u-p-o-o-p-i".

by JShufelt on Nov 25, 2008 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Comparisson between Stanford and OSU

YPC is not an all encompasing stat, but it’s very telling for a lot of things.

I think that OSU has one of the most talented and maybe the best backs in the league, definitely most productive. I’m astounded that more long runs haven’t been broken by him, and that the YPC by OSU is not higher. They have been consistent, sure, but in the Arizona game, the YPC was brought up by 10 flysweeps, with very little up the middle, typical run blocking production.

I think that OSU is a great pass blocking team, and an average run blocking team. Quizz has done SO much with the running game it’s ridiculous. He turns a stop into a 4 yard gain and a 3 into a 6. The OSU O-line hasn’t given him the opportunity to break any long runs. But he’s gotten the job done.

Overall, based on straight up yards, as well as what the O-line did without Quizz, for run blocking, I’d take Stanford at this point, based on the statistics.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 25, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Only thing I'd disagree with...
The OSU O-line hasn’t given him the opportunity to break any long runs

As shown by JShufelt’s earlier post, the OLine has almost nothing to do with long runs

Quizz does not have break away speed. At least not that we’ve seen. But he will make you shit your pants before you realize what is going on. He’s SUPER quick

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by The VD Special on Nov 26, 2008 1:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmm....

Maybe. I haven’t seen a lot, but when I’ve seen Quizz, he makes solid gains out of nothing. He is frustrating as hell if you’re the other team. Then you have a back like Best that can turn almost any hole into a 80 yard gain.

It has to be some combination of both, I think. If the O-line and crew are great blockers, they can clear out most of the players. Some cases, a player will be in the clear after 5 yards. This has happened on couple runs by Blount this year. He’s faster than he looks, sometimes you go through the hole, and there’s no one there, and that can be very much on the O-line. Also, there are runs where the RB breaks into the secondary and does the rest on his own.

So what does this mean? Well, while Quizz does not have Jahvid Best speed, he’s still fast. But when I’ve seen him, he’s made the O-line look good. He has rarely gotten the ball and had 5+ yards to run. He’s made something out of nothing A LOT. Again, this is based on the small amount I’ve seen this year, so I may well be wrong.

Based on the state, the OSU running game has not been dominating. Either the O-Line is carrying the weight, or Jacquizz is. And based on my small viewing sample size, I’m going with Quizz.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 26, 2008 6:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ll clarify one thing, as it still isn’t clear. I’ll use examples, and use “yards” as points for the sake of example:

  • Losses: 120% value
  • 0-4 Yards: 100% value
  • 5-10 Yards: 50% value
  • 11+ Yards: 0% value

Play 1.
A runner gets stuffed before crossing the line. He losses 3 yards on the play.
- The RB losses 3 yards
- The OLine losses 3.6 yards.

Play 2.
The runner pushes out and gets a decent gain, but he doesn’t break any tackle. 4 yards on the play.
- The RB gains 4 yards
- The OLine gaints 4 yards

Play 3.
The runner hits a hole out and the line helps with a decent gain, and the runner then makes a move and grabs a few more yards. 9 yards on the play.
- The RB gains 9 yards
- The OLine gains 4+2.5=6.5 yards (100% of the first 0-4; 50% of the next 1-6 yards)

Play 4.
The runner is given a huge hole by the line, makes a LB miss, and breaks a long run, that gets stopped by the safety. 28 yards on the play.
- The RB gains 28 yards
- The OLine gains 4+3=7 yards (100% of the first 0-4; 50% of the next 1-6 yards; 0% of the rest of the rush)

The most “yards” an OLine takes credit for on a rush would be 7 yards. The rest is due to the runner’s speed, quickness, strength, vision, etc.

It's spelled "S-h-u-p-o-o-p-i".

by JShufelt on Nov 26, 2008 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I do agree with that...

…to a degree. From what I’ve seen, I don’t think that the Beaver O-line has done a very good job of blocking on normal runs. Quizz had made a lot out of a little. There haven’t been many holes, and he hasn’t been put in an opportunity to make long runs.

I think in this case, the credit for Quizz’s runs, where he’s turning a 0 into a 4, or a 3 into a 6 is giving too much credit to the O-line.

Overall, in terms of rushing, the O-line’s stats aren’t that great, and they have those stats padded by flysweeps, which have increased the YPC. Their total yards per game are good, but have been made possible by a back like Quizz. Without him, I just don’t think they’ll be very successful.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 26, 2008 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Bingo.

Sweeps and play action effectiveness are going to be the x-factors that will most seriously diminish the reliability of this system.

That being said, it is the best system I have seen. As with any other objective assessment of stats there will need to be grains of salt sprinkled liberally.

I heart taxes.

by everett on Nov 26, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

...what?

Alright time's up lez do this...

by qrsouther on Nov 25, 2008 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Underhyped OSU isn't necessarily the same as overhyped U of O

I totally get where you are coming from with the lack of respect for the Beavs. Get it. Totally. I would have to disagree that just because the Beavs aren’t picked to have this run, that means that the Ducks were somehow overhyped. I think if people knew how good Quizz would be, and knew that Lyle would be solid, the preseason rankings would have been different. I totally understand the frustration with the lack of respect. I’d be pissed too if that constantly happened to us.

I like the yellow helmets!

by MarineCorpsDuck on Nov 25, 2008 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

No, it's unacceptable.

Sports writers need to really clean up their pre-season poll predictions. Basing unqualified rankings on the overall strength of rosters as they know them, including omitting players who may have left is absolutely preposterous. They either need to do more crystal ball gazing, or hang up the typewriter.

I heart taxes.

by everett on Nov 25, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

No it isn't. You're right. That was my reasoning for the last post

And jtlight is correct, it is the damn star system. Oregon gets 5 star Cameron Colvin and there is hype that surrounds him. Who was to guess that walk-on Mike Hass at Oregon State would be better?

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by The VD Special on Nov 25, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

As for the game itself, the individual matchup I'm looking most forward to is....

Nick Reed v Andy Levitre

The left side of the ball is gonna be a dog fight

I’m still unsold on Nick Reed, not his work ethic or overall hyper activeness, but how GOOD is he actually? I feel like a lot of his bigger games have been against inexperienced Left Tackles. Granted, I haven’t watched a ton of UO games this year.

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by The VD Special on Nov 25, 2008 2:08 PM PST reply actions  

lol...

I was gonna say (until I got to the end), “have you watched Nick play?” He is by far the smartest football player on the field at any time. He just understands.

I heart taxes.

by everett on Nov 25, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Nick Reed v Andy Levitre

Aye, this is going to be a great matchup for sure. Nick Reed is a classic overachiever. He is smaller than a lot of guys at his position but his motor is always going, regardless of the score or situation. He is incredibly smart too and helps others make plays when he can’t. Levitre is a beast as well on the O-line. His size might be a little overpowering for Nick a few times but I think Nick has a speed advantage

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 25, 2008 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Nick Reed is without a doubt, the most consistent player on the Oregon team this year.

It's spelled "S-h-u-p-o-o-p-i".

by JShufelt on Nov 25, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

HA!

So…since wasn’t a 5-star recruit, he gets no respect from you? :) He is the Mike Haas story of the Ducks. If an OSU fan would like any one Duck, I’d think it would be Reed. “Classic overachiever”. I’d think leading the PAC 10 in sacks 2 straight years would be enough to remove the “fluke factor”. What’s a guy gotta do?

I like the yellow helmets!

by MarineCorpsDuck on Nov 25, 2008 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

No I know

I shouldn’t have said “not sold on”

I should have said “haven’t seen enough of”

I did give Nick Reed props, he’s looked good when I have seen him

But I watched him against UCLA and Cal, both starting freshman left tackles

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by The VD Special on Nov 25, 2008 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

P.S.

I want to comment on BtD so bad in the argument you are having with a couple flamers, but I have sworn a vow! This is what we feel like when we argue with you-know-who. I know you are sitting there thinking “there’s no WAY this guy believes his own b.s.”, but he will never admit it. Frustrating, isn’t it? Why don’t you just point him back to the AtQ FanPost The “All-Oregon” Team?

I like the yellow helmets!

by MarineCorpsDuck on Nov 25, 2008 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously. Those guys are idiots.

It's spelled "S-h-u-p-o-o-p-i".

by JShufelt on Nov 25, 2008 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry but I'm too tempted to not put my dog in this fight.

Ugh, there it goes again. My Michael Vick complex.

Bum-bum-CHA!

Alright time's up lez do this...

by qrsouther on Nov 25, 2008 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah I can’t do it anymore either. Now that i know “You know who” deletes my posts that directly conflict with his opinions, there isn’t any reason for me to bother contributing. AtQ reports on Beaver news and gets quite a few comments from the “regulars” at BtD. I’d rather contribute in a nice back and forth about the issues then just be shamelessly trolled and have my posts deleted for no reason.

I’ll go to BtD when I want to read Duck bashing threads and flames. Props to the real Beaver fans that like to have discussions. It makes for a better community

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 25, 2008 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks guys

At least give you-know-who credit, he is around all the time

Those Duck fans have just showed up during this week

I really think it’s just butthol on different screen names, that stupid fucking friendly neighborhood placekicker

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by The VD Special on Nov 25, 2008 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

you wonder why Dave retired from AtQ? Now you know what he is up to

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 25, 2008 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I KNEW IT

I think Dave and CV3000 are the same person…. Tyrone Willingham!!

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by The VD Special on Nov 25, 2008 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Butthol

I can just see Butthol on like 4 different computers debating himself using a different screen name for each of his personalities. Between watching Evenson and Kahut miss extra points and field goals he went bat shit crazy.

I like the yellow helmets!

by MarineCorpsDuck on Nov 25, 2008 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

it explains the nervous twitch

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 25, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

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