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Why Oregon will beat Oregon State

We have a big Civil War coming up, and, you know what, I’m feeling good about it. (Because I’ll be gone over the next few days—Happy Thanksgiving to you all!—I’m posting this a bit early.)

This Civil War should be a great game. The teams are evenly matched, and either could win. But I believe Oregon has a few advantages that will give them an edge for the win.

Here’s why Oregon will win the game:

  • Oregon’s offensive gameplan will neutralize the strengths of the OSU defense—pass rush and speed.

The only real stand-out section of the OSU defense is their pass rush. They have great ends who rival Oregon’s as the best in the Pac-10. Victor Butler and Slade Norris are near the top of the Pac-10 in both sack and tackles for loss, and the entire team is 3rd in the conference in sacks. This strength was how they beat California. The pocket collapsed around Riley all day long, and forced him into many bad passes—he simply had no time.

However, Oregon’s offense will be able to neutralize this advantage with the schemes they run:

  1. They move the quarterback a lot. Because of this, the QB is rarely placed in a position where he can be easily sacked. There are many rollouts and throws on the move that are utilized, which limit the amount that the QB is exposed to pressure.

  2. There are many quick throws. From slants and screens to the seam throws that happened in the Arizona game, the Oregon offense has become about quickness. Masoli can move through his progressions quickly.

Furthermore, Oregon’s pass protection has been excellent. They are 3rd in the conference in sacks allowed, giving up 15 on the season, second to OSU’s 11, but Oregon has given up only 3 more sack yards than OSU. This is again due to the scheme. The number of sacks is slightly inflated because many of the "sacks" occur on QB keepers, or other similar plays, and are not as drive killing as normal sacks. Oregon averages only 5.4 yards lost per sack, which is less than what is typical for most teams.

OSU is also a very fast defense. They run hard and they swarm the ball. This was seen in the Arizona game, but Mike Stoops apparently didn’t like running his successful misdirection plays. Though this defense will work against much of Pac-10, it won’t work against a team that runs misdirection all day. It is a recipe for disaster, especially when you look at how effective Oregon has been at running the spread option since the UCLA game. Jeremiah Masoli has the spread option locked in. They have been running misdirection to backs and receivers, and have even been running their own version of the flysweep.

While OSU will get a big tackle for loss here or there, Oregon will also break a lot of good gains. I assume the Beaver coaching staff will try to adjust, but at this point in the season, that could do more harm than good. It is very hard to change your entire defensive philosophy for one game. Mike Riley will most likely want to come out and do what they do. They will stress assignments, but they have been successful at swarming, and it will be tough for them to be successful against this misdirection. And let’s not forget the last time they faced a spread team. Yes it was a long time ago, but the Oregon scheme should be able to neutralize the strength of the OSU defense, and use it to their advantage, without having to change one iota on the offensive side of the ball.

These problems are only compounded when you consider…

  • Oregon’s offense provides enough of a threat to throw the ball to make their run game devastating.

If you see any Beaver "commentary," you will no doubt see some comments such as "Oregon can’t pass the ball." Now, this would of course be the most intelligent and insightful commentary provided by the Beaver faithful, as it would be both a full sentence and all words would be spelled correctly, but if you use even an ounce of logic, this quickly breaks down.

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First, let’s be honest, Oregon has struggled to throw the ball during this season. They have been wildly inconsistent. But if a team were not able to pass, and were truly one-dimensional, moving the ball at all would be near-impossible. And we did see this, during each of the losses, moving the ball was a struggle, and the offense was quite impotent without the threat of the pass.

But in the rest of the games, passing has more or less been there, despite struggles.

They lead the Pac-10 in total offense. Now, this is padded a bit, because Oregon runs so many more plays than other teams, but if we dig a little deeper, despite the struggles that Oregon has had, they are still averaging 6.2 yards per play, good for 19th in the nation and 2nd in the conference.

Whatever way you slice it, that is darn good. While Oregon’s offense has not been where we would like it for much of the season, this has rarely put any damper on the running game. Oregon has averaged a ridiculous 5.97 yards per carry on the ground (4th in the nation), despite passing struggles.

And, as long as you’re moving the chains and moving the ball down the field, I could care less if you do it through the air or on the ground.

And at this point of the season, OSU is going to have to respect the passing game to the degree that it will hurt the run defense. OSU is going to have to play the safeties to watch Ed Dickson and others in the middle of the field. They will have to defend the edges, which can be exploited by quick receivers.

Oregon is not a one dimensional offense as Beaver fans would wish, and Oregon should be able to move the ball effectively for much of the game. If Masoli throws the ball effectively, not necessarily all over the field, but simply effectively, then Oregon State will have loads of trouble stopping the Oregon offense.

  • Oregon has a better rushing defense

If you look at the rest of the OSU defense, it is above average, but far from stellar. Their rushing defense is 2nd in yards, but only 4th in yards per attempt, which displays how well the OSU offense has done at keeping the time of possession in OSU’s favor. This is not to demean the OSU accomplishments, but these stats do not indicate a dominant rushing defense. They indicate a defense that has been given advantages, and taken those advantages.

Another thing to look at is how the rushing defenses have performed versus their degrees of competition. The Duck rushing defense does not have a wide disparity between their run defense performances in their wins and their losses. They have averaged less than 3.2 yards/attempt against both winning and losing teams, and in their wins and losses.

On the other hand, the disparity for the Beaver’s is shocking. In their wins, they have given up 2.67 ypc. Against teams with losing records, 2.77 ypc. Against unranked teams, 2.88 ypc. But in their losses 4.72, against winning teams 3.93, and against ranked teams, 4.70.

The simple fact is this:  OSU is not a great rushing defense. They are not a pushover, but they are far from the rushing defense of last season. If you look at their losses, they lost because they could not run the ball, and had a great deal of trouble stopping the run. They have lived on controlling the ball, and running the ball. When they have failed at this, they have lost. In their losses, they allowed over 190 yards on the ground per game, and less than 100 in their wins. You would normally expect a disparity, but the difference in these numbers in unreal, and show the soft spot in the OSU defense, that can be exploited.

Simply put, OSU will have a lot of trouble stopping the Oregon rushing attack.

On the other side of the ball...

  • The Oregon defense will be able to make the OSU offense one-dimensional

Jacquizz Rodgers will not be playing, and I was more afraid of him than any player we have faced pretty much all season. He is astounding, and does not go down easy. He always seems to get 2-4 more yards than he should, and has been devastating defenses. He would have eaten Oregon’s defense alive.
   
Instead, we get to face Ryan McCants. As much as the Beaver faithful want to say this is OK, and say how highly touted and strong he is, I don’t buy it. He isn’t half the back that Jacquizz is. He has not had one average game all season, against anyone of consequence.

On top of this, Oregon has feasted on the larger, slower backs. They have stopped cold the likes of Ian Johnson and Toby Gerhart, while they had trouble with Anthony Kimble and Jahvid Best.

Without Jacquizz, the OSU offense will lose much of their ground game, and will be left with the flysweep. Against Arizona, that play gained over 2/3 of the OSU rushing yards after Jacquizz went down.

It will be tough to stop this play, but I actually feel that the Oregon coaching staff will be ready for this. They were burned by it last year, and have had time to stew on it. They have studied the play, and have learned much more about it since the loss last year. The Oregon defense has been seeing a form of the flysweep all year. Granted Terrence Scott is not as fast as James Rodgers, but he’s no slouch. Though we’ve had our problems with defensive coaching, this is one instance where I feel they’ll be ready.

As far as the passing game….

  • Oregon’s passing defense is not as bad as advertised

Yes, the passing defense gives up 250 yards per game. But they are also typically having 39 passes thrown on them per game. Now, Oregon’s pass defense is not the top-notch shut-down pass defense we thought they’d be. But they aren’t the Oregon pass defenses of the post-Joey years. Instead, they seem to be fairly average. Oregon is 7th in the Pac-10 but 52nd in the nation in pass defense efficiency this season. This is very average. In the early going, to USC and Boise State, they gave up efficiency of 189.91. In all other games, it has been 108.77. They give up 6.5 yards per attempt. In comparison, OSU gives up 6.3 yards per attempt.

This is not a "roll over and die" pass defense. They fight hard, hit hard, and have grown a lot in the past few games. OSU is going to get some yards, and is most likely going to get a big play or two. The Oregon passing defense has also grown a great degree since the USC debacle. Responsibilities were shifted, and decision-making for the safeties (specifically young TJ Ward) have been made easier, and this has paid off.

I don’t believe that OSU will simply throw the ball all over the field. Their quarterbacks are far from perfect. Whichever one is playing will most likely make a mistake or two. This is not an offensive passing team, a la Texas Tech or others, that will be able to do whatever they want. They will have specific things that they can do, which will fail some of the time, and which will work some of the time.

Thus, the maligned Oregon secondary will be able to put enough of a clamp on the OSU passing game

  • All the pressure is on Oregon State, and Oregon is rested

Oregon State has everything to lose from this game, while Oregon has nothing to lose.

Oregon had a week to rest and recover after a long season; OSU did not.

Oregon will come out ready to hit somebody, and ready to push around the Beavers. Will it work? I’m not sure, but they will have a distinct psychological edge.


This is going to be a very good game. OSU is going to make some plays. Oregon is going to make some plays. But I think they have significant advantages on both sides of the ball. OSU has gotten big explosion plays in recent games, but so has Oregon.

If mistakes and explosion plays are equal and Oregon can run a similar number of plays as Oregon State, Oregon should win this game.

Nothing is for certain of course, but I’m feeling good.

GO DUCKS!

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And I thought for sure you would not beable to change my pesimistic opinion, but I really like the comparison of how we have done against backs like McCants.

Though I do think our lack of a consistent passing game is scary, Dickson has had 6 games that he caught 1 or no balls – more than half our games he just disappears. Also, our receivers don’t inspire confidence. Whether we can move their safeties away from the line is going to be huge for our Offense, and I think it is huge question mark.

by bradLL99 on Nov 26, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Gotta win the turnover battle.

And there will be turnovers on both sides.

If Canfield is in at QB I can only hope he repeats some of the decisions he made against Arizona…at least three dropped INTs by Wildcat defenders. Duck DBs aren’t as likely to drop those kinds of gifts.

Ducks jave to play clean special teams. No fumbled punts. No kickoffs going out-of-bounds. And if a field goal attempt is inside 40 yards it simply has to be made.

Last, let the Beavers commit the stupid penalties at critical moments. They usually do.

The ATQer formerly known as Seattle Quacker...oh yeah, I hate the wings.

by JConant on Nov 26, 2008 3:23 PM PST reply actions  

another interesting matchup…..Kahut vs Flint. Evenson has effectively lost 2 civil wars on his leg (or through bad decisions). Kahut has missed more than one extra point this year. He hasn’t been forced into making some 45-50 yarders. He is 3/8 between 40-49 yards. Flint hasn’t kicked any field goals longer than 40 yards this year. Does he have the leg to make one when it counts?

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 26, 2008 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

If it’s a distance kick, Evenson will most likely take it. Flint should take the close shots though – especially if it needs to be made.

It's spelled "S-h-u-h-u-s-k-y-h-a-t-e-r"

by JShufelt on Nov 26, 2008 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Name a field goal that doesn't need to be made

Oregon State: where play action defense and healthy QBs thrive

by The VD Special on Nov 26, 2008 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

When you’re up by 28 points in the fourth quarter. It would be nice to make it, but it probably isn’t going to make a difference.

It's spelled "S-h-u-h-u-s-k-y-h-a-t-e-r"

by JShufelt on Nov 26, 2008 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

kickers?

Are you kissing ass to Butthol? Besides when has a civil war game ever even partly been decided by a made or missed FGY? ;)

by bradLL99 on Nov 27, 2008 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I forgot to mention

I had a dream last night that I made a GW field goal for South Varsity for their first win in a loooong time. It was pretty awesome.

Alright time's up lez do this...

by qrsouther on Nov 27, 2008 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with some of this, but a point of order is called for

I note your reference to the fly sweep accounting for the majority of OSU’s yards in the UA game. This was AFTER Quizz left the game, so UA knew it was coming. In the event, James Rodgers had to circle more before running upfield because the defenders were getting in the backfield. But he still got his yards and it was still a very effective play. My point is, even if you see this play developing it is hard to defend as it relies on good lane discipline and aggressive tackling. While Rodgers may get tackled behind the line of scrimmage, for every one of those there are four plays where he’s slipped the first tackle and then all bets are off where he ends up. This is to be contrasted to other teams who have ginned up a version of this play which is largely ineffective, the offenses are pathetic blocking for this play, and the Beavers D has been practicing against it all season so it’s no big deal.

I don’t agree that the Ducks have a “distinct psychological edge.” They will be amped up because it’s the Civil War. But Mike Riley is very good at preparing for these games, and there’s nothing I know of one can point at as evidence the Beavers aren’t taking this game as serious as a heart attack. If this game were being played at Autzen, I wouldn’t argue with UO having a leg up psychologically. But not at Reser. And UO is not simply a spoiler, so the “nothing to lose” mentality is a stretch.

Regarding the readiness advantage due to the bye week, last year’s game on the road after the bye was an upset loss in Tucson. So there you have it.

I predict a close game between a couple of very good teams, as it should be.

by Joe A. on Nov 26, 2008 3:24 PM PST reply actions  

I think there is a lot more pressure on the Beavers to perform in this game. The rose bowl is on the line. This game is for all the marbles to get OSU to the big dance. Oregon is playing for the holiday bowl (and by some accounts, they will go even if they lose the CW). I think this is where Oregon has an advantage. There is less pressure on Oregon to win since they aren’t expected to and there isn’t as much riding on the outcome of this game. No doubt Oregon State is taking this game seriously but there is an overconfidence factor that has to be taken into account. Oregon is playing a spoiler role. They do have a lot to play for but the chance for a rose bowl is gone for this year. The stakes for Oregon State are MUCH higher and Oregon is in a role to ruin it all

Regarding your points about the readiness advantage, I would agree with you except for Bellotti and Riley’s records after bye weeks. Both are excellent. There is a distinct advantage to coming out of a bye week, especially at the end of the year. Oregon State has some injury issues… Quizz being out, J. Rogers having turf toe, various other bumps and bruises. Oregon has had an additional week to heal up the nagging injuries that don’t make the injury report while Oregon State has a standard turnaround. The Arizona game for Oregon last year was the game that Dixon tried to play on a torn ACL and Brady Leaf sprained his ankle during the game. I don’t think that had as much to do with bye week preparedness as it was the straw that broke the camel’s back in injuries.

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 26, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

straw that broke the camel’s back in injuries.

That’s exactly what I thought when I first read Joe A.’s comment.

I think there are significant points made on both fronts. It should be a good game for anyone to watch.

When it comes down to the Civil War, you could almost take all earlier season assessments, and throw them out the window. The programs, while having very different playing styles, play each other very equally – to some expert’s surprise. (Last year for example)

It's spelled "S-h-u-h-u-s-k-y-h-a-t-e-r"

by JShufelt on Nov 26, 2008 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, consider this...

I’m not saying that OSU has a psychological advantage. My claim is that UO does NOT have this advantage. If anything, neither team comes into the game with an advantage in this area as compared to their opponent. Here’s why I think that: psychological advantages for underdog opponents depend on overconfidence by the favorite due to undeserved and/or institutional hubris. This is to be expected of a team like, say, USC where any team that beats them is cause for a huge celebration, and to lose to them is not a huge deal because that is what is expected. Pete Carroll has a tough job, getting his team psychologically ready for every game when they’re expected to win. Especially in rivalry games, a big disparity in season records favors the underdog psychologically because they can focus on one last game for some kind of redemption while the favorite is seeking to preserve the right to a bowl. Presumably this would cause the favorite to play it safe, be cautious, not be as aggressive, the opposite of what got them to their lofty ranking.

We don’t have this ingredient…a large disparity in season records between the teams.

There is a fine line between wanting to win so bad you screw up and wanting to win so bad you play your best game ever. As much as OSU wants to go to the Rose Bowl, I don’t see them going in tight for this game. They’ll have the home crowd there, after all.

Regarding Dixon…I don’t buy injuries as valid excuses for anything. A team ranked #2 in the nation should not have that ranking if the team depth isn’t there. To blame the loss on a key player against a very good opponent I can understand sort of…#2 losing to a losing team isn’t cutting it when a player goes down no matter how good the player is. As far as Leaf going down also, if he had stayed in it might have been even worse for UO. Best to just forget about it and move on.

by Joe A. on Nov 26, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

There is a major disparity between losing a key player, and playing with your scout team. I don’t care of your Florida, Alabama, tOSU, LSU, or Washington State – You aren’t going to play nearly as well when you lose (or play injured) nearly every one in a skill position. It wasn’t JUST Dixon. Dixon was the straw that broke the camels back. I’m not whining about it – I think it’s completely reasonable to say if you lose most of your starters (and a large amount of your second string), you aren’t going to play as well.

If I have one single complain about OSU fans it is regarding this very issue – as they are the ONLY FANS IN THE COUNTRY THAT BELIEVE THIS ISN’T A REASONABLE EXCUSE. Lack of depth? You can only have so many damned people on a roster. We had our 3rd string RB taking direct snaps in the civil war for christ’s sake.

I know OSU had a lot of injuries last year too – but that as a counterpoint against Oregon is like asking a beggar for change.

I’m not being whiny, you guys are being unreasonable. It’s a shed away from saying, “Well. Maybe the coaching staff should have thought about pulling Dixon before he got hurt!”

It's spelled "S-h-u-h-u-s-k-y-h-a-t-e-r"

by JShufelt on Nov 26, 2008 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Regarding Dixon…I don’t buy injuries as valid excuses for anything. A team ranked #2 in the nation should not have that ranking if the team depth isn’t there

I think you have some good points but I couldn’t possibly disagree with you more about injuries. Just for illustrative purposes, I’ll take last years injured Ducks and compare them to their roles on this years Oregon State team

This is just on offense….

Nate Costa – Canfield
Dennis Dixon – Moevao
Brady Leaf – Engstrom
Jeremiah Johnson – Quizz
Cameron Colvin – Stroughter
Brian Paysinger – Morales

Oregon State Probable Starting Lineup Given the above

QB – Katz
RB – McCants with Turf Toe
WR – Brown, Rogers, and Kjos

If you are telling me that injuries don’t make a difference, look at the probably lineup for Oregon State given the same injured roles and tell me that you think it wouldn’t matter

Note: RBs are tough to compare because OS generally uses 1 back where Oregon has used 2 consistently.

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 26, 2008 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just going to say this once, the whole "what teams have playing on the line"

Oregon State has the Rose Bowl on the line
Oregon has the Holiday Bowl on the line
Fact is, if playing in the Civil War isn’t reason enough to get fired up, then that person/team doesn’t deserve to play/win

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by The VD Special on Nov 26, 2008 4:48 PM PST reply actions  

I don't disagree

But I’ve also seen coaches and players get conservative, which would cost teams. I think OSU will play hard, but pressure is a funny thing. Oregon has much less.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 26, 2008 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I haven't seen Riley get "conservative" yet

And honestly, if any coach can somehow make light of a situation this monster to his players, it has to be Riley. Look at how the boys performed against USC. For whatever reason, I feel like Riley has done the best possible job of dealing with this pressure. Look at what they did against UA, down late like that. They guys never dropped their head and bowed out. IDK, maybe it’s just me

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by The VD Special on Nov 27, 2008 12:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know what you're talking about...

;)

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 26, 2008 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Well...

I personally don’t care which bowl we end up in, whether it’s the Holiday or Vegas, I just want to ruin OSU’s Rose Bowl hopes!

by Harringtoncuz3 on Nov 26, 2008 8:40 PM PST reply actions  

I feel that's a bad attitude to have

You should
A) root for team first
B) root against your rivalries second

My opinion.

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by The VD Special on Nov 27, 2008 12:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Depends. I sorta do this, but I also want football in the state of Oregon to be more successful – I see our state at a more natural disadvantage than most other states, and success is the best weapon against that.

A. Oregon
B. Any team playing Washington
C1) Oregon State
C2) California

It's spelled "S-h-u-h-u-s-k-y-h-a-t-e-r"

by JShufelt on Nov 27, 2008 12:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Tell CV that.

Alright time's up lez do this...

by qrsouther on Nov 27, 2008 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

excellent analysis

I only disagree on one point: the notion that McCants is not going to be much of a threat. The Beavers are the Denver Broncos of college football. No matter what back they put in, he tends to succeed. I would argue that the Beavers have had two really good backs in the last decade: Steven Jackson, and Quizz. Everyone else has been mediocre, but has still put up great numbers. Riley is great with the running game, and whoever he plugs in to that position is a threat, whether they are a stellar back or not.

They've gone to plaid!

by gribbit1 on Nov 26, 2008 9:49 PM PST reply actions  

I’m not sure if you are including Ken Simonton in your decade but he was a pretty stellar back as well

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 27, 2008 12:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I disagree

mainly due to his production this year, which has been less than stellar. And we’ve handled backs of his style fairly easily.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Nov 27, 2008 7:08 AM PST up reply actions  

You're forgetting about Dwight Wright!

Oh wait….

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by The VD Special on Nov 27, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

great points

you have me convinced. If we can turn it into the fly creep, ah get it, we can win this game. And you are right in that if there is one play Alliotti need to learn to stop its that one.

Go Ducks!

Ducks Go!

by trumpetduck on Nov 26, 2008 11:00 PM PST reply actions  

Why did the chicken cross the road?

It's spelled "S-h-u-h-u-s-k-y-h-a-t-e-r"

by JShufelt on Nov 27, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

to get away from Reser Stadium.

It's spelled "M-A-R-C-H-I-N-G-B-A-N-D."

I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by Takimoto on Nov 28, 2008 1:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Because he knew he couldn't win there

NAILED IT!

right?

Oregon State: where play action defense and healthy QBs thrive

by The VD Special on Nov 28, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Works for me.

It's spelled "S-h-u-h-u-s-k-y-h-a-t-e-r"

by JShufelt on Nov 28, 2008 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

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