Our mess of a QB situation
I went into this season saying that if we got "B-" play out of our QBs, we would have a very good season. Up to this point, this has not happened. In roughly half of our games, we have seen pathetic QB play. We have seen games where the pass is not even close to a threat. In the latest game, we saw a 2.6 yards per attempt average. There is no way to sugarcoat this. There is nothing that can make this redeemable. This was one of the worst passing performances turned in by a team, and helped lead to poor 3rd down conversion rates. We have seen, at best, average play. And we've also seen awful performances.
So, the real question is, where do we go from here? I am under no illusion that Jeremiah Masoli will magically become a great QB, despite his claims of "rebirth." Meanwhile, we have Justin Roper, who has not shown good instincts with our most lethal running play, nor the ability to make plays down the field, and in his last full game couldn't average over 5 yards per attempt while throwing costly interceptions. We also have Darron Thomas, who displayed a short burst of brilliance against BSU, but has not performed all that well in his incredibly limited opportunities.
On top of all this, our Wide Receivers have been a great disappointment across the board. As much as we want to rag on J-Will, he hasn't been very bad, but hasn't been given chances to go down the field. I am more disappointed with the rest of the corps, who have typically dropped more than 5 passes per game. When you have QBs that don't hit every pass, grabbing the passes that are made well is a must. This has not happened. Scott, Dickson, Maehl, Davis, et al are all culpable.
As we go into the Stanford game, something must happen. I have no idea what that "something" is, but if our Ducks are going to win any games in the remainder of the season, they must somehow develop a competent passing game.
But at this point, there is no right answer.
Playing Masoli is hoping that he will improve as a decision maker on the field, learn to stay in the pocket, and throw the ball down field. Playing Roper acknowledges that we need a competent passing game, and shoot for that. But this is no sure thing, as we saw against a bad Purdue team, and it sacrifices the running game in the process. Playing Thomas will be a move to the future. He gives the team a decent chance to win now, but also more chances at spectacular defeat due to mistakes and inexperience.
Whatever the choice, in my opinion, there are a couple keys that will lead to the success of the offense:
- We must develop a deep threat. This would most likely include Jaison Williams/Chris Harper on the edges, and Ed Dickson down the middle seam. But this has not happened all season long. The deep threat is non-existent, and the safeties are rarely respecting the deep pass. Because of this, the running game can suffer, and good defenses will take advantage of this. I have been very disappointed that this has not been pursued in any significant way this year. We have the most physically talented WR in the Pac-10, and this is not being taken advantage of.
- We must run the spread option effectively. This does not mean that every time the QB takes the ball, he goes for 20+ yards. This does mean that decent yards are gained on every play. Any of our QBs can do this. However, Masoli has developed a pretty good read ability on this play, something Roper has not done effectively. He has handed off many times when he should take it, and we have gotten into many 3rd and longs due to this fact.
If both of those things can be done, this offense will be a success. From last year's Stanford game, here is an example of the type of play Oregon ran so well last year.
On this play, there was both a RB run option, as well as a QB run option. And there was also a pass option if the safeties came up. Right now, even if the safeties came up, I don't think that any QB could execute that pass, even if they made the right decisions to get into a favorable position.
So for now, I just hope that one of our QBs can step up, and make a few plays, and bring a tiny amount of respect to our passing game.
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DT
At this point, I am fine with playing DT ans starting his development. His growing pains cannot be that much worse than suffering through Masoli or Roper. We are basically waiting for any one of our three QBs to develop. Roper is the least-suited of the three for our offense and, in my opinion, has the least potential. That narrows it to Masoli and DT, and I like DT’s potential more.
by ntrebon on Nov 6, 2008 10:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree, though the voting is very even right now.
There are no good options right now.
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by jtlight on Nov 6, 2008 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DT + 1
I’m suprised. I really thought I’d be the only one voting for DT. I’m okay with the fact that he’ll make mistakes, but how much worse can it get? Roper throws picks when there’s no receiver in the area and we’re in the red zone, and Masoli seems to have a knack for throwing picks that get returned and destroy field position. His redshirt is gone already, let ’s see what he can do given some real PT.
I like the yellow helmets!
by MarineCorpsDuck on Nov 6, 2008 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line conclusion is right on...
…there simply is no good answer for the immediate future. I voted for Masoli – for this one game, because I believe he gives Oregon the best chance to win. If the Ducks drop this game, it’s time to start developing DT under fire. Arizona, Oregon State and hopefully a bowl game of some sort would be a nice set-up for him heading into 2009.
I’ll rehash a point I made earlier this week that was buried at the bottom of another long thread:
It’s on Chip and Mike to make a decision and develop one of these guys into a leader. No one quarterback has shown he has developed into a clear #1 starter. Each has had flashes. Each has looked terrible, or in the case of DT, raw. I think the entire program is at risk of slippage if the coaches aren’t willing to establish a clear pecking order for 2009 – which, in my humble opinion, starts with DT. Even if it means losing someone to a transfer.
Hold an open competition, flip a coin, roll a 27-sided dice, eat peyote and go on a spirit walk – I don’t f-ing care. Pick one guy who will get a significant majority of the reps, not only for his benefit, but for timing with the WRs, consistency with the RBs and cohesion with the O-line.
I hope we’re able to enjoy a strong finish to 2008 despite playing musical chairs at the QB position. Whatever the outcome, Spring ball should be very interesting. Definitive answers need to be made before the entire team suffers a crisis of confidence.
Just random info: Cody Kempt is 5-4, with 1368 passing yards 9 TDs, 12 INTs and a 105.2 QB rating. NO, I am not implying he was going be an answer for Oregon. Just saying it looks like transferring to Montana State was a good call on his part. He’s done okay and I’m glad for him.
- Jeremy
by JConant on Nov 6, 2008 11:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would note...
I have been surprised that on the whole…the coaches have done a pretty good job sticking with one guy. Ever since Roper went down, it’s been almost exclusively Masoli. He just has imploded at times.
It seems Bellotti may have learned from the 2005 Leaf/Dixon fiasco.
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by jtlight on Nov 6, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seattle Quacker has it spot on
If there’s one thing I’ve noticed about the Ducks this year (and it years past) is that you always had talent, but never had a leader out on the field. Last year, you finally had Dixon step up, pull his head out of his ass, and things happened for you. As soon as he went down, your season ended. Say what you will about the rest of the injuries, but you were playing just fine until DD went down.
People love to rag on Moevao about how he’s too short, doesn’t have a great arm, etc. But he get’s the most out of his teammates and everyone looks to him to be THE guy. Mike Belloti’s biggest problem is that he beats around the bush every week saying “oh I dunno who it’s gonna be this week. I’ll know at game time” as if it’s some grand scheme to destroy the other team’s game plan. Guess what MB, it doesn’t. Every defensive coordinator knows exactly what you’re going to try to do, no matter who’s at QB. It changes nothing. So pick a guy that everyone can look to. What happens when you have QB controversies is that 1/3 of the team follows one guy, 1/3 of the team follows the other, and the final 1/3 doesn’t know who to follow.
Why do you think Pete Carroll at the beginning of every spring says “this is our guy”? It’s not because he doesn’t have a treasure chest of talent to choose from; we all know he does. But he knows that the QB is the single most important player on the field because he is the leader.
Oregon State: where play action defense and healthy QBs thrive
by The VD Special on Nov 6, 2008 11:31 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think hemming and hawing doesn't matter...
The players know who is going to play based on reps during the week. Everyone knows, but no one says anything. That’s just the way it works.
As I said above…I think it’s been fairly clear who the starter has been when people are healthy. Unfortunately, due to injury (and 1 guy being ineffective), 5 different QBs have played this year. It flat out sucks when your QB who has taken almost all the 1st string snaps goes down a week before the season starts. When these things happens…well…there’s just not much you can do. Whenever you have a backup coming in, it will take time.
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by jtlight on Nov 6, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
I realize now that I’m overly discounting the fact the Nate Costa WAS getting that large portion of #1 reps before his injury this fall. His injury changed everything. Let’s hope for the best for the last few games. Hopefully a clear leader emerges this spring: either DT due to superior skills, Masoli with more time in the system or Roper if he learns to run the spread running game.
- Jeremy
by JConant on Nov 6, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
masoli
people forget that masoli joined the team right before the season. not to mention when he joined the team he was probably number 4 (costa, roper, harper) so he got no time with the first unit. i think he has shown improvement and shown talent. although i do agree though if we lose this game the darron thomas era should begin.
by joffthedeckk on Nov 6, 2008 11:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Masoli
Masoli has been really frustrating to watch the last few weeks. I don’t know if it is purely a case of happy feet or that he is having trouble seeing over the offensive line, but I am tired of seeing him flee the pocket almost immediately.
by ntrebon on Nov 6, 2008 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand with a guy at his height, he needs to be pretty flutie-esque in the pocket. He’s gotta move around to see down field, but he stops looking down field, and he just tries to find a running angle.
It's spelled "e-v-e-r-y-t-h-r-e-a-d-i-s-b-e-t-t-e-r-w-h-e-n-J-S-h-u-f-e-l-t-j-u-m-p-s-i-n"
by JShufelt on Nov 6, 2008 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Once he’s outside the pocket, it appears as though he has given up on the pass.
by ntrebon on Nov 6, 2008 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
As soon as CK calls up a pass play if feels like Masoli has given up on the pass. It seems like he has a good arm, have JWill run fast down the sideline and lets see what Masoli can do. I would love some deep pass atempts.
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by trumpetduck on Nov 6, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roper should start.....
Roper should get the start and work on passing, to open the run game for our two beasts in the backfield. With that being said I am a DT backer. I would like to see DT for at least a half, unless he has a very poor game. He should at least get the chance to prove himself. I dont buy that Masoli is too short. So is OSU’s QB, but I think that he leads the lead in yardage. I really like his toughness, but his passing game is very lacking. I wrote before that DT has been the most impressive to me(i know only 2 quarters). We are not going to beat any good teams with under 100 yards passing. If we could get some consistancy in the passing game I would love to see what JJ and Blount could do.
by ducksfan on Nov 6, 2008 1:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Roper can't pass
If he could throw the ball more than 20yrds I’d vote for him. If he could throw the ball hard at all I’d vote for him, touch passes are good, but opportunistic defenses can stop his passes easily
by bradLL99 on Nov 7, 2008 8:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fickle
How fickle have we become? Roper wasn’t too bad when he finally took the reigns seriously during the OSU game. He had good success, almost pulling that game out. We had a Sun Bowl victory where he threw for 4 TDs and was neck and neck with Costa to start. All Roper does is win games during his time as a starter and then gets injured. People complain that Roper isn’t a good fit because he can’t run the rock around, not being as mobile as others. Masoli gets limited time to start the year and is very mixed. Roper gets hurt at Purdue. Masoli takes over the job splitting time with Chris Harper for Boise State. Masoli gets knocked out due to a late hit. Harper doesn’t fit as a QB because he can’t throw during the Boise State game. DT’s redshirt is blown during garbage time and leads Oregon back, having a great performance (especially when compared to Harper for 3 quarters). Masoli comes back, has a bad game against USC, a good game against Washington State, a great game against ASU, a so-so game against UCLA and a bad game against Cal. Masoli gets hurt. Roper comes in during garbage time at Cal in obvious throwing downs. People no longer want Masoli in the game and want Darren Thomas to start because of his Boise State performance.
I guess I don’t get it anymore. Roper was doing ok in his games, Masoli has been ok during his games but not great (arguably harder teams) and DT hasn’t seen the field much outside of Boise State. I do know one thing. We can’t keep switching QB’s out every 2-3 games because one doesn’t perform as well as we would like during the last game. I’m a Roper guy and have been since last year. I’m all for having packages for each guy but Roper has moderate experience of the QBs and the best chance for us to be multi-dimensional between our running and passing games
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Nov 6, 2008 2:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a Roper guy...
…because he can’t throw the ball downfield. It’s like being in a red zone offense the entire game. He is totally unable to stretch a defense downfield. Also, I don’t think his performances have ever been that impressive when you get past the 4TD part of the Sun Bowl.
Also, I don’t blame the coaching for the multiple QBs we’ve seen, as it’s been forced on them due to injury (minus the Thomas sub for one quarter). Right now, it sounds like we’ll see Masoli for the next game, and hope he can get rid of his happy feet.
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by jtlight on Nov 6, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
grain of salt
Agree. My “problem” with Roper is his best performances came last year when he was standing next to that one guy who was a first round draft pick. We owned USF with the threat of JStew and the play action pass, some thing Oregon fans no too much about these days. I try not to look at last year for Roper, and this year he has played sub par. He must be able to go down field.
Ducks Go!
by trumpetduck on Nov 6, 2008 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep...Downfield is key...
Also, that USF team was horribly prepared. It was pretty pathetic.
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by jtlight on Nov 6, 2008 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We owned USF with the threat of JStew and the play action pass
I know JJ isn’t on the same level as Jstew in some regards but I think given his production this year, you have to consider him a substantial threat to run. I understand your argument but JJ/Blount provide us the same type of threat that Stewert did last year. There were a lot of folks who though JJ was a better back than Stewert before JJ went down last year.
I guess I don’t know what you expect Roper to do. He isn’t as mobile as Masoli but has better pocket presence and touch on his passes. Neither, by all accounts, can throw balls 30+ yards. Roper runs when he has to but generally hands the ball off to, you guessed it, a better runner than him! Does he make the wrong decision in the read sometimes? Yes. So did Dennis Dixon. So do all QBs running this system. If all you care about is the deep ball, then you might as well throw DT in there and let him go to town because he had that one performance with Boise State. Roper manages the game better and is a better passer than Masoli. Masoli can make more plays with his feet and can escape bad situations.
We all keep coming back to this argument of “must go down the field”. The only QB in our group right now that has proven it was DT against Boise State (and looked very shaky at Washington State). You either have to put him in now and take the lumps or you need to put Roper in because he gives you the closest thing to adding that dimension to the game until Masoli develops better pocket awareness and touch
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Nov 6, 2008 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The deep ball...
While I’m not advocating that we go deep on every single throw, I do think that we MUST be able to take what the defense gives up. If the safeties come up and leave one-on-one coverage on the outside, then we have to go down the field. We have to be able to make them pay for that. If we don’t, it will be even harder to run the ball.
And actually…I blame a lot of this on Chip Kelly. Can Roper throw down the field? I’m doubtful, but we haven’t even had much of a chance to see. The same with Masoli. I think he’s done a good job when given a chance. Against UCLA, he hit the pass to Harper and almost to J-Will, though both passes were late in being thrown. The problem was not his arm strength. The only time we’ve gone down the field was the end of the BSU game.
And I absolutely disagree with the statement that Roper manages the game better. And that’s because he had interception problems and accuracy problems this year. If he was hitting passes consistently when they were short, and making good decisions most of the time, I think that would be good. But he hasn’t done that.
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by jtlight on Nov 6, 2008 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And he lost the Purdue
Its just the D, special teams, and Harper bailed us out
by bradLL99 on Nov 7, 2008 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll go even farther: Where's Chip Kelly, genius in residence?
Yes, he doesn’t have the luxuries of Dix and Stew, and maybe the last game is coloring my thoughts, but am I alone in wondering if our offensive game plans have just been plain…plain?
Last season you were never sure what playcall was coming. Last game you could pretty much call the play before the snap. Oh look, Masoli’s going to run with it. Oh wow, JJ’s going to run. The only surprise for me last week was when Blount actually received a handoff—then ran off-tackle instead of just inflicting some Blount Force Trauma right up the middle.
I don’t get it.
by grimc on Nov 6, 2008 2:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if it is more experience level of the players involved running the system. I’m sure the injury issues don’t help.
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Nov 6, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Experience and injuries are valid, but
it feels as if we’re still running a remedial version of our offense when the team should be much farther along in its development, even taking experience and injury into account.
by grimc on Nov 6, 2008 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe its Chip Kelly’s way of telling us, the talent just isn’t there to run the offense
by teedawg on Nov 6, 2008 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DD and JS meant a lot
But this much? It’s possible, but completely disappointing if true.
by grimc on Nov 6, 2008 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
part right
Roper lacks the talent, DT and Masoli lack the experience with the offense
by bradLL99 on Nov 7, 2008 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CK misses them
You cant overestimate how much their absence changes play calling. But I agree that this year plays have gotten stale and over used. Even the end-arounds to Holland are such a breath of fresh air, and effective because it is not one of our 4 standard plays
Ducks Go!
by trumpetduck on Nov 6, 2008 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How is Terence Scott culpable?
He’s by far our most consistent skill player on offense, TJ Ward being his antipode on D.
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by qrsouther on Nov 6, 2008 5:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dropped passes...
Along with the rest of the offense.
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by jtlight on Nov 6, 2008 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't...
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by qrsouther on Nov 6, 2008 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He has.
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by JShufelt on Nov 6, 2008 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
T-Scott? The Jazzman? Jazzhands?
Not that I’ve seen…
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by qrsouther on Nov 6, 2008 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s true!
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by JShufelt on Nov 7, 2008 8:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Roper
It seems like when Roper is taking the snaps, we see more of the playbook. I think his injuries have stunted his progress but if he’s back to healthy, he gives the Ducks the best chance to win. Remember that Roper was in the mix to start in fall camp, well ahead of Masoli and Thomas.
Bigger picture, I fear that we are going to be debating quarterbacks for a long time to come. Add Costa to the mix in 2009 and we have a 4-headed monster. And if next year goes anything like this year, we’ll be having this same debate in 2010 as well.
I believe the last six Oregon QBs have cashed an NFL paycheck. That’s a hell of streak, but it may be coming to an end.
by DavisDuck on Nov 6, 2008 6:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jason Fife?
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by qrsouther on Nov 6, 2008 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
little known fact
There was a time when Joey was in Detroit when Jason Fife was signed as a backup.
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Nov 6, 2008 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For the Lions?
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by qrsouther on Nov 6, 2008 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yep!
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Nov 6, 2008 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On the radio this morning, they were saying they were practicing a lot more with the passing game this week, and Masoli was throwing it down field better than Roper.
It's spelled "e-v-e-r-y-t-h-r-e-a-d-i-s-b-e-t-t-e-r-w-h-e-n-J-S-h-u-f-e-l-t-j-u-m-p-s-i-n"
by JShufelt on Nov 7, 2008 8:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That is not shocking at all...
Though if he gets happy feet again…I’m gonna scream.
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by jtlight on Nov 7, 2008 8:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t surprised at all either.
In my opinion, the only thing Roper had over Masoli was experience – and over the last few weeks, that has been melting away.
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by JShufelt on Nov 7, 2008 9:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What else can be said that hasn't been?
I hope that one of us is right and I hope that whomever is right, that’s the person the coaches go with. That being said, time to go make my “Roper is God” sign
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Nov 7, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No surprise
We have known all along that Masoli has a really good arm… it’s his footwork and lack of pocket presence/patience that give us nightsweats.
Hopefully Chip put in a word to him this week about that. I think that tendencies like that are fixable with a good enough coach, and I’m confident Chip is a good enough coach.
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