ATQ Week 14 CFB Ballots

by jtlight on Dec 3, 2008 8:37 AM PST in ATQ Blogpoll Comment 58 comments

Well, this week it's all about the Big 12. The Oklahoma/Texas debate has been raging, and honestly, I don't know what to add.

Texas fans are undeniably pissed, and have a legitimate reason to be. But if Oklahoma were shut out, they would have legitimate complaints as well.

Peter Bean, head of the college SBNation blogs and founder of Burnt Orange Nation wrote a post detailing his frustrations, specifically calling out BlogPoll founder Brian over at MGoBlog.

And in my mind, Brian had the perfect response, there is no right answer.

The entire system is totally screwed, and now, conferences are using the BCS standings to determine who goes to the conference championship game. If the Oregon/Washington/Oregon State situation of 2000 were to happen again, the team with the top BCS rating would have been used to pick the Rose Bowl representative, as the rules have changed since that time.

This is totally ridiculous, of course. With the way the season played out, it is very tough to tell which team should be number 1. Multiple teams have valid arguments for being number 1.

Are we going to judge Oklahoma/Texas based on the head to head win, effectively removing Texas Tech from the equation, or are we going to look at the entirety of the football schedule, to determine the best team.

Again, there is no right answer in this situation. Texas won a game in October between the two teams, had an overrated win over Missouri (at home), squeaked past OSU (at home), and lost to Texas Tech on the road. Oklahoma lost that game, and the proceeded to destroy everyone else on their schedule, including tougher out of conference games.

So, in my opinion, based on these results, I'm putting Oklahoma 1st. They have played a very tough schedule, and have won most of those games in very convincing fashion. I'm putting Florida #2 for a similar reason, and I'm putting Texas #3 because they have gone 11-1 with a very tough schedule, but it has not been as convincing as the others. Alabama is coming in at #4 because, while they have won all their games, they have not won in convincing fashion late in the season, and have risen to #1 overall based on an early win over Clemson, and the first half against Georgia. If they beat Florida this weekend, they deserve to be #1, but at this point, I will not put them their with their weak schedule.

Lastly, Brian makes a good point in his article. We have a playoff right now. It's a two team playoff. And as long as we have it, many teams are going to get screwed. But honestly, after 2001, I don't care much for the pain of others.

The ballot (and other Pac-10 ballots) are after the jump. As always, leave your comments. The bottom 15 or so of the Blogpoll is a ginormous mess, so leave your comments and help keep it honest.

Rank	Team	Delta

1	Oklahoma	2
2	Florida	--
3	Texas	1
4	Alabama	3
5	Southern Cal	--
6	Penn State	--
7	Texas Tech	--
8	Oklahoma State	--
9	Ohio State	1
10	Utah	3
11	Boise State	3
12	Cincinnati	3
13	Georgia Tech	6
14	Oregon	4
15	Missouri	6
16	Georgia	5
17	Boston College	7
18	Michigan State	2
19	TCU	2
20	Ball State	--
21	Oregon State	9
22	Northwestern	1
23	Mississippi	2
24	Iowa	2
25	California	1

Dropped Out: West Virginia (#21), Florida State (#22).

Pac 10 Power Poll:

USC
Oregon
OSU
Cal
Arizona
Arizona State
Stanford
UCLA
Washington State
Washington

Pac-10 Heisman Ballot:

Jacquizz Rodgers
Mark Sanchez
Nick Reed

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A couple peanut gallery comments:

First, if there weren’t any polls until week 3 or 4, Alabama would be ranked lower. The win over preseason favorite, season dud Clemson is meaningless, and has been their pole vault (Or should I say “poll vault”?).

Second, I think MgoBlog Brian made a great point regarding the Texas/Oklahoma and 12 team conferences.

Side note: why even have divisions? If the Big 12 did away with the N/S distinction we’d have a super easy way to figure out the answer to “Texas or Oklahoma”: the Big 12 championship game. CFB would be better off if the 12-team conferences added another conference game, got rid of divisions, and just took the top two teams for the championship game.

I personally don’t like conference championship games, but the way these divided conferences are setup, they are in essence, a parody of the BCS system itself. It isn’t really grabbing the two best teams and having them play each other, it selects to mythical leaders and sets them up.

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by JShufelt on Dec 3, 2008 9:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I totally agree.

Great point.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Dec 3, 2008 9:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you should say poll vault

I think you hit the nail on the head with waiting to start polling until week 3 or 4. There are always a few teams who plummet the first few weeks. It is so much harder to climb if you were miss judged to start the season.

Ducks Go!
694, bam!

by trumpetduck on Dec 3, 2008 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think it’s suppose to be “two” instead of “to”.

Sue me. :-)

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by JShufelt on Dec 3, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Shu – Excellent comment regarding the flawed conference championships. If Missouri beats OK, they’re the Big XII champ? Over Texas, TTech and Okie State? Only on paper…not one but them buys that notion.

S-h-u-r-l-y-c-o-l-l-e-g-e-f-o-o-t-b-a-l-l-d-e-s-e-r-v-e-s-b-e-t-t-e-r

Think the system is screwed up now? Watch the debate rage when Florida beats Alabama this week.

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by JConant on Dec 3, 2008 11:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Here's my take on Texas/Oklahoma debate

Both have had legitimate schedules. Both have legitimate claims. But I believe Texas should have gotten the nod and here’s why:

(rankings were at time of game)
W v #1 Oklahoma 45-35
W v #11 Missouri 56-31
W v #6 Oklahoma State 28-24
L @ #7 Texas Tech 39-33 ON A TOUCHDOWN WITH 1 SECOND LEFT

For those of you who didn’t know, all 4 of those games took place in consecutive weeks WITH NO BYE. Their only loss all year long came on the road at the last second against the #7 team in the nation after three grueling wins before them? Not to mention, the head to head win versus Oklahoma. I think it’s utter bullshit that Texas didn’t get the nod.

But you know what, when I was growing up my dad always told me— pre-BCS mind you, but it is still as important today— “It’s not IF you lose it’s WHEN you lose”

Texas is just a product of losing later than Oklahoma, and that’s horse shit

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by The VD Special on Dec 3, 2008 3:32 PM PST reply actions 1 recs

Rec'd for truth.

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"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol

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by rockingharder on Dec 6, 2008 12:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This is kind of the "who came closer to not losing" approach.

And, yes, Texas wins that criteria. I’m cool with your thought process here.

I’m tired teams who lose last always falling to the back of the pack. Oklahoma played Washington for the love of God. This year’s Huskies should be reclassified as an NCAA Division III school and the Sooners (versus Pac-10 teams who had no choice but play UW) should be saddled with half a loss just for not replacing that game with at least a Big Sky opponent.

Hook ’em Horns!

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by JConant on Dec 3, 2008 3:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Not only "who came closer to not losing"

But let’s say Texas gets a bye before that Texas Tech game… Or they play somebody like Baylor or Colorado or Kansas in between, then they play Texas Tech. Even on the road, I think Texas wins. In my opinion, Texas should be playing Florida for the Nat’l Championship, and Colt McCoy is playing the best football of anyone in the country. Bradford has also put up huge numbers, but if you watch McCoy and what he does in the pocket it’s incredible. His completion percentage is through the roof.

And to anyone who says Oklahoma has won in convincing fashion, take a quick glance at Texas’ schedule. Aside from their 4 point win over Oklahoma State, their next closest victory was a 10 point win over the #1 team in the country

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by The VD Special on Dec 3, 2008 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

People are impressed with how Oklahoma has won the last few weeks, but does the excuse “A win is a win” only applicable if you barely beat an underdog team? Wow. Pollsters have another double standard.

I think I side with VD Special, and obviously bias Peter Bean on this one.

This weeks blog poll makes me sad. Though it doesn’t matter, Alabama has no business being in the top 5. The only real win they have is a slightly overrated Georgia team, and the only reason they are as high as they are is because of their Clemson poll vault, as I mentioned before.

It's spelled "S-h-u-r-l-y-c-o-l-l-e-g-e-f-o-o-t-b-a-l-l-d-e-s-e-r-v-e-s-b-e-t-t-e-r"

by JShufelt on Dec 3, 2008 4:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I fully expect Florida to take care of that business.

I’m not one to root for the Gators, but I will this week.

I hate to say it, but I revel in the BCS system looking inept. We’re one Gator victory away from the season with seven one-loss teams and two undefeated teams who can probably hang in with the best of ‘em. With a Florida win it’s guaranteed to be another year of egg on the BCS face.

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by JConant on Dec 3, 2008 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Its ok.

I revel in the BCS system looking inept.

Don’t hate it, its so fun. BCS is lame.

Ducks Go!
694, bam!

by trumpetduck on Dec 3, 2008 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

As for the blog poll, I am going to defend Oregon State right here

I know we looked awful on defense on Saturday. But I would argue that dropping 9 spots is a bit of a stretch.

At #21, are we really worse then:

Ball State
TCU
Michigan State
Boston College

I would argue that maybe TCU deserves to be higher then yes, but come on, I would think that we would beat Ball State, MSU, and BC. Maybe 21 is a deserving ranking, but those teams are definitely ranked higher then what they should be

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by The VD Special on Dec 3, 2008 4:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

It's not a power poll...

And I think Oregon State may beat those teams. But they are also 8-4, and I can’t ignore that many losses.

At the same time…I don’t think any of the mid majors should be as high as they are, but everyone outside the top 10 has been less than impressive this year.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Dec 3, 2008 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well if it wasn't a power poll, then how did we climb so quick

Only to drop 9 spots after 1 loss. If the 4 losses bug, then surely the 3 losses earlier should have kept them ranked lower.

I guess I should have stated it better: I don’t think #21 is a bad ranking for us. I think it’s just about where we belong. So maybe being ranked #12 last week should have been amended. I don’t think anyone should drop that far after a loss to a top 15 team, that’s all.

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by The VD Special on Dec 3, 2008 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Because rose OSU finally played some decent teams...

…and won. For much of the season, they had lost 3 games, beaten USC, and pretty much no one else. Then they got into their schedule where they started beating decent to good teams, and their resume grew pretty impressive very fast.

Also…OSU was absolutely killed in the Civil War. 694 yards. That’s the reason they dropped so far. Getting obliterated twice, once at home, even to a top 10 and top 20 team, should not happen to a top 20 or so team. I could forgive the Penn State loss, but not another blowout.

I will also say that I try to re-think the entire ballot every week. I don’t ever look at how far I’m increasing or decreasing a team. I look at what the team has accomplished on the field, and rank them accordingly. I think that its rather silly to say, well, Team A lost, so they drop X spots. I think a lot of Blogpoll voters tend to shy away from that type of voting method as well.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Dec 3, 2008 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Makes sense

But while the defense sucked, the offense was good. 450 yards and 38 points. Regardless of everything else that went on, that is pretty damn impressive. I’m just saying, the rapid rise to 12 might have been what was pre-mature. But like I also said, 21 is about where we belong. It’s just a damn poll. I don’t know why I’m getting so worked up lol

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by The VD Special on Dec 3, 2008 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And I agree about the mid-majors

None has been stellar this year. Utah sneaked out a win against us earlier. Ball State has beaten, well, nobody. And TCU, I just don’t know. Boise State DID win at Oregon, in case you didn’t know. I think that’s worthy. And they pretty much handled everybody in the WAC. I just don’t want to see any in the BCS this year; unfortunately, that’s not going to happen

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by The VD Special on Dec 3, 2008 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

As far as BSU...

They hit Oregon at the best possible time, and knocked Masoli out of the game with an illegal hit.

Yes, they won, but that takes significant luster off that victory. It’s still good, but doesn’t indicate that they are a top notch team.

I think that Utah, BSU, etc. would have significant trouble in a BCS conference, and would have trouble going 9-3 in the Pac-10. I also think this is borne out in the schedules and resumes, which is why I don’t have them higher.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Dec 3, 2008 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Also agreed

But a win is still a win. Boise State winning in Eugene is impressive. Does it make our loss any less significant because Quizz was out and James got knocked out mid-way through the game? Absolutely not. Just like it doesn’t make your win any less significant.

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by The VD Special on Dec 3, 2008 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

A win is not necessarily a win...

How you win means a lot.

Aspects of BSU’s win were impressive. They moved the ball very well, they handled the noise, etc. well. But their defense wasn’t tested at all because there was no QB passing threat for about 2 1/2 quarters. And they still almost lost when a true freshman was brought off the bench.

For OSU, while they moved the ball, they lost by 4 TDs, and that style of play is not how they win. When Moevao has had to pass over 30 times…the only win was against Hawaii. They win through ball control, defense, and not making mistakes. Well, that didn’t really happen.

Style should matter, as that says a lot about how good a team is a lot of the time. That’s why I have Oklahoma first, and Florida 2nd.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Dec 3, 2008 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And getting hit at the best possible time logic:

Then we can argue that Stanford hit us at the best possible time, which makes that loss less significant?

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by The VD Special on Dec 3, 2008 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I back that.

Add Penn State to the list, seeing that the best time to play us is, oh, the first three or four weeks of the season.

THAT’S where we REALLY screwed the pooch on the Rose Bowl. We win the Stanford gimme and the CW is simply the last game before the Rose Bowl.

Why god? Why?

by ArbyOSU on Dec 3, 2008 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

While it isn’t a power poll, making someone rise because they win, or fall just because they lose isn’t right either.

Of course this discussion isn’t about the BCS, but lets roleplay a bit and say that the blog poll actually influenced the BCS standings.
Isn’t the ultimate goal to get the two best teams in the nation to compete for the national title? If so – maybe it should be more of a power poll. Good teams will still win, and overrated teams will still lose. Alabama wouldn’t be #1 right now, Ohio State wouldn’t have been destroyed in as many bowls, and people from Ole Miss who submit their first ballot, while ranking them in the top 25 would still get made fun of.

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by JShufelt on Dec 3, 2008 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think that it's about getting the two best teams...

For the national championship team, it should be about the two most deserving teams…

I don’t ever want to see two teams from the same conference play in the national title game. That would be very stupid.

This year, I want to see the Big 12 champ and the SEC Champ. This might not actually determine the best team, cause of Texas and all that, but it’s not my fault the Big 12 has stupid tiebreaking procedures.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Dec 3, 2008 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I can dig that, but for giving the two most deserving teams the national championship, you’d really need to mess with the system.

Imagine this: the 6, 8, 12 most deserving teams should have to go through some crazy system where they play each other in rounds at the end of the season. And if they lose, they are OUT They don’t pass GO! they don’t collect $200.

The two teams that put everything on the line just to win that one more game left standing, they would be the ones that are really deserving. I call it the “College Football Awesome Do-Or-Die National Championship System” or CFADODNCS – pronounced “Caf-a-dod-nicks”

It's spelled "S-h-u-r-l-y-c-o-l-l-e-g-e-f-o-o-t-b-a-l-l-d-e-s-e-r-v-e-s-b-e-t-t-e-r"

by JShufelt on Dec 3, 2008 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree about deserving...

Most deserving because they just won two or three playoff games in a row. And if that means Texas and Oklahoma play for the national title three years in a row, well then I could live with it (though that would royally suck).

Someone please, give me the gas and put me under…wake me back up when we have a playoff system.

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by JConant on Dec 3, 2008 5:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Playoff system? Psh. That’s so TYPICAL. I say we move to the Cafadodnick System.

It's spelled "S-h-u-r-l-y-c-o-l-l-e-g-e-f-o-o-t-b-a-l-l-d-e-s-e-r-v-e-s-b-e-t-t-e-r"

by JShufelt on Dec 3, 2008 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Cafadodnick it is!

I’ll take it.

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by JConant on Dec 3, 2008 5:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Since it was born in this thread, shouldn't it be:

Jcafadodnick?

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by JConant on Dec 3, 2008 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

SOLD!

It's spelled "S-h-u-r-l-y-c-o-l-l-e-g-e-f-o-o-t-b-a-l-l-d-e-s-e-r-v-e-s-b-e-t-t-e-r"

by JShufelt on Dec 3, 2008 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You beat me to it...

Damn

It’s spelled S-H-U-C-F-A-D-O-D-N-C-S

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by The VD Special on Dec 3, 2008 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Winner!

It's spelled "S-H-U-C-F-A-D-O-D-N-C-S"

Please, ask me about CFADODNCS.

by JShufelt on Dec 3, 2008 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey Shu!

What’s CFADODNCS?

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by The VD Special on Dec 3, 2008 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Imagine this: Take the 6, 8, or 12 of the best teams in the nation and they have to go through some crazy system where they play each other in rounds at the end of the season. And if they lose, they are OUT They don’t pass GO! they don’t collect $200.

The two teams that put everything on the line, just to be able to keep playing, will be left standing at the end. Those teams would be the ones that are really deserving to play in the national championship. I call it the "College Football Awesome Do-Or-Die National Championship System" or CFADODNCS – pronounced "Caf-a-dod-nicks"

It's spelled "S-H-U-C-F-A-D-O-D-N-C-S"

Please, ask me about CFADODNCS.

by JShufelt on Dec 3, 2008 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you just going to keep that copied so you can paste it when someone asks what CFADODNCS is?

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by The VD Special on Dec 3, 2008 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

that’s great and all, but it doesn’t really explain what cafadodnicks is

I am now friends with butthol on Facebook. My life is complete.

It's spelled "M-A-R-C-H-I-N-G-B-A-N-D."

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by Takimoto on Dec 3, 2008 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The two teams that put everything on the line, just to be able to keep playing, will be left standing at the end. Those teams would be the ones that are really deserving to play in the national championship. I call it the “College Football Awesome Do-Or-Die National Championship System” or CFADODNCS – pronounced “Caf-a-dod-nicks”

It's spelled "S-H-U-C-F-A-D-O-D-N-C-S"

Please, ask me about CFADODNCS.

by JShufelt on Dec 3, 2008 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The only thing I don't like

…is how some people are using head-to-head as their determining factor in the Texas/Oklahoma argument, because it’s punishing Oklahoma for winning by so much against Texas Tech. If that had been, say, a 7-point game, Tech is still in the conversation and other factors would be used, but some people are taking TTU out of the equation because they lost by so many to Oklahoma

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by inroywetrust on Dec 4, 2008 7:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

That's a very good point.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Dec 4, 2008 7:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

BCS

Since we’re complaining…the one thing I HATE when I hear from BCS supporters is, “if you win all your games it doesn’t matter”. Really? So the year that 3 undefeated teams came along and one got left out, how do you explain that? How about a year like this, where I bet you we end up with 7 BCS conference teams with one loss? The only time it works out is when there are two completely clear-cut teams that should be in the title game. Even then it doesn’t always work out…COUGH2001COUGH.

Death before Dishonor.

by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 4, 2008 12:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Oh please

Nebraska was so much more deserving that year. Get your head out of your ass MCD…

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by The VD Special on Dec 4, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey!

2008 OSU had a lot in common with 2001 Nebraska!

Both got destroyed by their rival by almost 4 touchdowns in their final regular season game!

Good times!

If UCLA wins this weekend, those teams will have even more in common. :)

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Dec 4, 2008 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

+1

Couldn’t have said it better myself!

Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.

"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol

NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"

by rockingharder on Dec 6, 2008 12:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You are right there

Nothing says deserving of playing for a national title like not winning your conference title. Or allowing your opponent to put up 552 yards.

Though I suppose if my team just allowed 694 then 552 might not seem so bad.

by bradLL99 on Dec 4, 2008 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

On SNAP!

It's spelled "S-H-U-C-F-A-D-O-D-N-C-S"

Please, ask me about CFADODNCS.

by JShufelt on Dec 4, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Damnit. I need to go back to meme school.

It's spelled "S-H-U-C-F-A-D-O-D-N-C-S"

Please, ask me about CFADODNCS.

by JShufelt on Dec 4, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I do hope you all know I was kidding

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by The VD Special on Dec 4, 2008 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The internet is serious business.

It's spelled "S-H-U-C-F-A-D-O-D-N-C-S"

Please, ask me about CFADODNCS.

by JShufelt on Dec 4, 2008 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

A few things you can't joke about on this blog

1) Dixon
2) 2001 BCS
3) Nailing your self
4) J-names

by bradLL99 on Dec 4, 2008 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

5) Hungry linemen.

Kicker.

by qrsouther on Dec 4, 2008 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

that made me chuckle

by bradLL99 on Dec 4, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I had kinda forgotten about it.

Kicker.

by qrsouther on Dec 4, 2008 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

6) Bread

It's spelled "M-A-R-C-H-I-N-G-B-A-N-D."

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by Takimoto on Dec 5, 2008 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs