BCS Computers Declare Germany Winner of WWII
by Cpassmore on Dec 7, 2008 8:03 PM PST
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PrintBCS DECLARES GERMANY WINNER OF WORLD WAR II US Ranked 4th!!!!
After determining the Big-12 championship game participants the BCS
computers were put to work on other major contests and today the BCS
declared Germany to be the winner of World War II.
"Germany put together an incredible number of victories beginning with
the annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland and continuing on into
conference play with defeats of Poland, France, Norway, Sweden, Denmark,
Belgium and the Netherlands. Their only losses came against the US and
Russia; however considering their entire body of work--including an
incredibly tough Strength of Schedule--our computers deemed them worthy
of the #1 ranking."
Questioned about the #4 ranking of the United States the BCS
commissioner stated "The US only had two major victories--Japan and
Germany. The computer models, unlike humans, aren't influenced by
head-to-head contests--they consider each contest to be only a single,
equally-weighted event."
German Chancellor Adolph Hitler said "Yes, we lost to the US; but we
defeated #2 ranked France in only 6 weeks." Herr Hitler has been
criticized for seeking dramatic victories to earn 'style points' to
enhance Germany's rankings. Hitler protested "Our contest with Poland
was in doubt until the final day and the conditions in Norway were
incredibly challenging and demanded the application of additional
forces."
The French ranking has also come under scrutiny. The BCS commented "
France had a single loss against Germany and following a preseason #1
ranking they only fell to #2."
Japan was ranked #3 with victories including Manchuria, Borneo and the
Philippines.
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I was disappointed
that year because I had Rommel in my fantasy league. Was winning while he was in Africa, but he went to France, had to off himself and I finished second. Some guy took a flyer on MacArthur in the 14th round and ended up winning the whole thing.
My name's Paul, and that's between y'all...
by fowlball on Dec 8, 2008 6:40 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Anybody see the...
Anti-BCS Nike commercial? Its all theses guys training and looking BA while a narrator goes over the BCS formula. Then some great tag line about BCS sucks settle it on the field. Boo BCS, Hooray Beer!
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694, bam!
The Canadians
always get slighted. Sure, there was that Dieppe fiasco, but. . . .
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Actually I'd have to agree
Overall, the Germans outperformed everyone else in the war. They eventually lost because of how outnumbered they were by the combined forces of their numerous opponents. Militarily, very successful. On grand strategy, i.e. the decision to try to take over the world, not so successful.
The "body of work" argument
So, using that logic…Let’s say right now Oklahoma was 12-0 for the sake of argument, and Florida was 11-1. They play in the title game and Florida wins, so both finish 12-1. With the “body of work” argument, Oklahoma could argue that they should be the national champs because they finished “tied” with Florida, but had a better body of work.
What happens when this scenario comes up: A 12-0 team plays a 10-2 team in the title game and the 10-2 team wins? (it’s not that far-fetched, a 2-loss team played in the title game in 2007 and won) The 11-2 team automatically wins the BCS title even though the other team has a better record at 12-1 and could easily have had a better “body of work”. I HATE ME SOME BCS!
Death before Dishonor.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 10, 2008 7:15 PM PST reply actions
But...
Suppose you have a playoff, that same scenario could still happen
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by inroywetrust on Dec 12, 2008 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
The difference is
With a playoff leading to that scenario, there is no dispute of it. The 10-2 team put themselves there, making the most of their season. They’re winning the big games when it counts. If there’s another team with a better record than them, and they get bumped out… that would pretty much convince me they wouldn’t deserve into the championship game. There’s a whole lotta sense in a college playoff, and an astonishingly little amount of sense in the current computer system.
Kicker.
How is that so?
How did a 10-2 team put itself into a playoff any more or less than it put itself into a major bowl game? How does one make the most of its season or win the big games when it counts more or less than the other?
What playoff advocates have to realize is that there’s no way a playoff will get implemented without the approval of the major conferences (who control the purse strings) and the tacit O.K. of the significant mid-majors/Notre Dame (who would threaten litigation if they weren’t included).
What that means in the real world is that the A.C.C., Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10, and S.E.C. champions would be guaranteed a spot in the playoffs, as would any sufficiently highly-ranked mid-major. In an eight-team playoff, that’s six spots sewn up before the season even starts (in exactly the same manner that conference tournament champions are guaranteed berths in the N.C.A.A. tournament) and likely a seventh spot set aside for whichever Boise State, B.Y.U., or Utah happens to run the table.
Any realistic eight-team playoff scenario in place for 2008 would have had one and only one at-large spot available, which would have been fought over by Alabama, Boise State, Ohio State, Texas, and Texas Tech. Every argument about who should get in would persist, and be magnified, yet a playoff would create the high probability (and eventual certainty) of an incoherent result on a par with the recent World Series win by a .500 St. Louis club or the New York Giants’ Super Bowl upset of the New England Patriots.
A playoff solves no old problems and creates many new ones. Thanks, but no thanks.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Dec 19, 2008 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
No one here has been suggesting as small as an 8-team playoff...
And what about a play-in game?
Kicker.
Some have in the past. Unfair? Yes, but our current system is pretty unfair too. I think it’s bullshit that a legitmate team can get shafted out of the BCS because of a Notre Dame clause.
They need to get over themselves and join a freaking conference.
It's spelled "S-H-U-C-F-A-D-O-D-N-C-S"
Please, ask me about CFADODNCS.
A playoff solves no old problems and creates many new ones. Thanks, but no thanks.
I disagree. A playoff is a less arbitrary way to determine a national champion and therefore more legitimate.
Your argument about “incoherent results” is maddening. By your logic, why even have postseason at all? Why not just give the Super Bowl to the patriots since they went undefeated? Just because a .500 team wins doesn’t mean they aren’t deserving of the honor. It simply comes down to winning your games on the biggest stage. You shouldn’t just award the super bowl to the patriots just because they won up until that point. They got beat, in a game at a neutral site. 18-1.
In almost all other sports, determining the winner is done by the players on the field, not by people “democratically” deciding which team is better than the other and therefore more deserving. Of all systems of postseason, the BCS is the most arbitrary and therefore the most flawed.
And just for the record, no one said anything about an 8 team playoff. I will go on record saying that I support a 12-team playoff but I see no posts in this tread about 8 team playoffs
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
So...
you think we just stick with what we’ve got? In the current system those same teams can complain, PLUS USC and Penn State. You can poke holes in any argument and play the “yeah, but game” all day. Is it better than what we have now? I think it would be better than what we have now. You may not think that, but that’s your opinion. Every poll I’ve see about a playoff is overwhelmingly pro-playoff. The ability for people to say “yeah that’s a decent idea, but it won’t work because…” has paralyzed the advancement of the idea. Maybe it would fail. Guess what? I think it’s worth that risk.
http://www.owenbloggers.com/features/2008/11/poll-should-the.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/poll/index (click on college fooball live)
Death before Dishonor.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 19, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
heh
I’d rather be arguing about who the 8th and 9th teams in the country are than who the 2nd and 3rd teams are.
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by rockingharder on Dec 19, 2008 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Consider this
Boise State could have easily gotten into the BCS instead of Ohio State. A few people talked about it, but it generated nowhere near the buzz that Texas getting shafted did. Same thing with the playoff argument…the argument would be dismissed by most fans and short-lived.
Death before Dishonor.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 19, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Because of an unknown foresight of how someone will perform during 2 or 3 post-season games, the claim that a off the fringe team deserves to be in is far more arbitrary than the claim that Texas deserves a chance at the championship game.
It's spelled "S-H-U-C-F-A-D-O-D-N-C-S"
Please, ask me about CFADODNCS.
Exactly!
A team getting shafted for the 2nd seed wouldn’t be too big of a deal in a playoff system, because they would still have a good chance to win the championship. In our current system, a team ranked third has NO chance. Hmm.
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol
NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"
by rockingharder on Dec 19, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
And in the AP poll - -
Switzerland was ranked 1st.
by Al Orange on Dec 13, 2008 2:22 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Germany should lose BCS points because Luxembourg was 1-AA
I know that you're thinking about making a Woodburn joke. Know that I will pummel you if you do.
I miss you, ATQ.
Don't overlook the fact...
that Germany played most of it’s schedule on the road, including traditional powers Great Britian and France. I know the entire season was a road date for the USA (thankfully), but with help from the allies in the way of military bases and ports for re-supply, it’s similar to the Gators playing in Jacksonville. Clearly, the fuhrer was delusional, putting together a schedule like that. He was even looking into setting up a home-and-home with the U.S.! What a nutjob.
My name's Paul, and that's between y'all...
and might I add, was played in the biggest venue that year…the Pacific Rim
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
yes, but
the USA smashed Japan into oblivion in the conference title game rematch
I know that you're thinking about making a Woodburn joke. Know that I will pummel you if you do.
I miss you, ATQ.
by WoodburnDave on Dec 15, 2008 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
As an American living in Germany, I’m trying to figure out whether this post is incredibly offensive or incredibly funny
My HDTV is a JustinTV streamer who doesn't just use a webcam :(
Yessir
My dad teaches at Reed College in Portland, and this year he has a sabbatical, so he’s doing some independent research in Germany, and the whole family came along
My HDTV is a JustinTV streamer who doesn't just use a webcam :(
by inroywetrust on Dec 17, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
The Germany in this artical
is Nazi Germany, it’s as far removed from modern Germany as the USA. It would be like making a joke about Saddam Husein, pro democracy Iraqi’s wouldn’t be offended…
come on man, nobody confuses modern Germany with a military power :-P
True
Yet, WWII is a very awkward subject here. I’m convinced that this post wasn’t offensive, but I did have to think about it
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by inroywetrust on Dec 19, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
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