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Why are Beaver fans so jealous?

So, a few articles came out today that provoked the jealousy of Beaver fans.

First, the details of Mike Bellotti's new contract have been finalized, and he could end up making over $3 million a year after all incentives are included.  This brought forth some ridiculous statement from Paul Buker, an Oregonian employee, over at the Beavers Beat Blog at the Oregonian, including the comment that possibly Riley should swap salaries with Bellotti if he wins the Civil War this year.

There was also an incredibly ridiculous article over at The Daily Barometer, The OSU student paper, about how Oregon football only receives national attention for their uniforms, and are only voted into the Top 25 due to this, not because of actual on the field performance or the talent of the football team, going so far as to state,

The University of Oregon takes a year-in and year-out mediocre football program and brings it to the forefront of the national sports media because of its out-of-control antics and oddball uniforms. At no point has Oregon ever been good enough to compete for a national title, yet the Ducks have gotten to the point where their school gets kicked around among the nation's top 15 every now and then.

Now, I could easily dismiss this lunacy, and ignorance of basic facts, but it brings up a great question?  Why the hell do OSU fans act like this?  Why do they compare OSU to Oregon every 5 minutes.  Oregon State has gotten the better of us in recent years in the Civil War, sure, but the two programs have had similar on the field results.

If we want to set the arbitrary cutoff as the 2002 season, when Oregon had a rough stretch (there is no comparison of 2001 and before, even including the 2000 season), lets look at the results

OSU - 47-29 (Pac 10: 28-22)
UO - 46- 29 (Pac 10: 28-22)

So, Oregon State has one more win, courtesy of an extra game in 2006.  Basically, the records of these teams are exactly the same.  And props to Oregon State, as what they have accomplished in an overachievement.

And much of this jealousy/resentment of Oregon from Beaver fans probably come from the feeling that Oregon gets much more exposure despite similar records. 

But, despite the jersey's, etc. Oregon has been an exciting program since 2001.  They have been within spitting distance of 2 national title games (2001 and 2007), competed for Pac-10 titles in 2005 and 2007, had great victories (Michigan twice and Oklahoma in controversial fashion), and had an incredibly exciting offense after we were able to get Ludwig out of town.  We have had College Gameday visit Autzen twice in one season.  There is excitement around the program, regardless of consistent on the field results.

Meanwhile, we can count on Oregon State to get blown out in September in a game they shouldn't and not be taken very seriously the rest of the year.  They have failed to reach a bowl better than the Sun Bowl in since 2000.  You haven't been able to say the words "Oregon State" and "competing for Pac-10 title" since 2000.  This is not denigrating what Oregon State has accomplished.  It is just acknowleding the obvious.  They have not attracted excitement or national exposure because of how they have reached their end result.

Oregon has reached national attention because they have done what they have done in incredible fashion.  We have seen incredible victories and losses.  And like it or not, this is how attention is gained. Oregon could learn a thing or two from Oregon State, but the opposite is true.

And in the meantime, OSU fans should quit comparing themselves to Oregon every five minutes and worry about their own program.

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Well said...

I don’t have as much hatred against OSU as many other duck fans do. I want them to have a successful program, only to lose every Civil War.

However, the stuff the OSU students have produced over the last couple of years against U of O is like they are looking for a fight. I don’t know if it is jealousy, or what – but I am starting to look at their ridiculous articles as the norm for Oregon State, and it is all they can grab on to. Cheep shots, with no substance.

OSU can be a successful program with Oregon being just as successful too. (2000-2001). That is what will create a fun and enjoyable rivalry, and not some OSU pityfest.

Go Duckies!

by JShufelt on May 23, 2008 11:44 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uniforms

Didn’t OSU get new uniforms last year too? Its sounds to me like they are more upset that they don’t have some big name alum giving them a helping hand i.e. Phil. And aren’t they two time defending national Baseball champs? If anything Duck fans should be complaining about their baseball success and how it affects the Ducks.

It seems to me that when you have nothing to talk about you make a mountain out of a mole hill. They need to stop bitching so much and worry about inhouse.

by DuckinNC on May 23, 2008 12:11 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two time champs....

Three times in a row to make an appearance in the CWS.
It’s a little shaky this year, but they aren’t out of it yet.

I do disagree though that Duck fans should be complaining. I think it is great how successful they have been. We don’t have any merit (Much less a current team) to be jealous for that.

Go Duckies!

by JShufelt on May 23, 2008 12:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Only a duck fan...

Only a idiot duck fan would be dumb enough to wonder why OSU fans are so jealous and then write an article about said jealously. Kettle meet black!

As for OSU and Pac10 titles. Last two years OSU has finished one game ouf of the Pac10 Championship. You can’t get any closer to a Pac10 title w/ out winning it. So, logically speaking OSU has been in the title hunt the last two years. Or, as you might say, just ackknowledging the obvious!

Fact is, Oregon is a hype machine. The school, the fans, the media over hype them each and every year. Then comes the melt down.

Contiunue on w/ your obsession w/ what OSU fans think. It’s kind of cute!

by duckhater on May 23, 2008 1:35 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Duck Hater

Wow, way to add some constructive comments. It isn’t shocking that this level of discourse is coming from a Beaver fan.

As far as OSU coming close to winning a Pac-10 title, my point is not they didn’t finish close, it’s that they have been mathematically out of the running before November. Talk about excitement!

As far as Oregon being overhyped, I addressed in the post why Oregon has gotten that hype, despite it’s spectacular failures. Go ahead, say Oregon is overhyped, but quit your whining and moaning about it. It’s obnoxious. And quit being a troll.

by jtlight on May 23, 2008 2:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huh?

“Only a idiot duck fan would be dumb enough to wonder why OSU fans are so jealous and then write an article about said jealously. Kettle meet black!”
Huh? Soo… he’s jealous of you because he wrote an article wondering why Beaver fans are jealous? I sure hope this is the extent of your logic you’ll demonstrate.

“So, logically speaking…”
Dang.

“OSU has been in the title hunt the last two years. “
So if you lose your first 2 Pac-10 games, you’re still in the hunt for the title? That is SO MUCH closer than we’ve ever reached. I should have been able to “ackknowledge” the obvious.

Fact is, Oregon is a hype machine. The school, the fans, the media over hype them each and every year. Then comes the melt down.
Whoa! Bringing “facts” to the table now.

Contiunue on w/ your obsession w/ what OSU fans think. It’s kind of cute!”

So did you scream in your hate pillow before you registered to post that, or was it just a “hit and run” through the “heat of the moment/passion” kinda troll post?

By the way, you’re cute too!

Go Duckies!

by JShufelt on May 23, 2008 3:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're the Best

Let me do some simple analysis.
You hate the Ducks.
Most the Duck players are black.
So you must hate black people.

Racism hurts everyone. I’d had to see your name on a civil rights blog.

I think the Black Eyed Peas said it best:

And if you hatin you’re bound to get irate
Yeah madness is what you demonstrate
And that’s exactly how anger works and operates
You gotta have love just to set it straight
Take control of your mind and meditate
Let your soul gravitate to the love y’all

Stop the hating!

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by tominhawaii on May 23, 2008 6:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man I hate typos

I’d hate to see your screen name on a civil rights blog.

Three

by tominhawaii on May 23, 2008 6:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

im so glad

that I was never put in the situation where I had to adopt the Beavers as my favorite team. I feel for you man.

by coolconman on May 23, 2008 1:58 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They have been within spitting distance of 2 national title games (2007)

I think the ducks fell 4 full games short…...............Now if Dixon was lost in the Civil War game and lost, then your within spitting distance…........Losing to UA, UCLA and then OSU is not even good for 3rd in your own conference…...

“And in the meantime, OSU fans should quit comparing themselves to Oregon every five minutes and worry about their own program” FYI – we are not too worried, we have won 3 of 4 Civil Wars, soon to be 4 of 5 Civil Wars…....Maybe MB should teach his team that you do indeed have to play games in November…..

OS

by OSBeavers on May 23, 2008 2:04 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here come the trolls!

I think being in serious contention into November would be spitting distance. If the situation were reversed, and Oregon state had suffered those injuries on a title run, and much of the national media believe that they would have been in the title game without the injuries, I wouldn’t be begrudging this success to Oregon State.

And if your entire metric of success as a football program is civil war wins…well, I don’t know what to tell you.

by jtlight on May 23, 2008 2:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

With all the hardships we had last year, none of which due to underperforming or immaturity/lack of heart, there’s no sense in putting a team or coaching staff down for it. The type of offense we run (an amazingly successful one at that), is prone to injuries. Would you still be wishing for a reversal of roles between the programs?

Better to have won and lost due to injury than to have never won at all, I always say.

by qrsouther on May 25, 2008 4:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hooray for ATQ 2.0

Keeping beaver fans off the streets for 2 days and counting! Is there an award for community service, Dave?

The beavs will always appear to be jealous of the Ducks, and we’ll always see them as an inferior program. That’s how a rivalry works. We win, they win, rinse, wash, repeat.

0-18 ring any bells?

by jessenumber1 on May 23, 2008 3:12 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Instead of arguing against being jealous

Beavers show up and reinforce the impression that they are. Classic.

by grimc on May 23, 2008 3:18 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Beavers own you!!!!!

Two years in a row, soon to be three. Can’t wait to hear the excuses the next time your overrated football program loses the Civil War again.

by IHATETHEFUCKINGDUCKS on May 23, 2008 4:16 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

classy handle

glad to see that OSU education paying off

--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog

by Addicted to Quack on May 23, 2008 5:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is this to be taken seriously?

Did you seriously create an account just to post on this topic?

by qrsouther on May 25, 2008 4:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh...well....not really

Jealous of what exactly????? Stumbling across the finish line every football season?

by EZ602 on May 23, 2008 4:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe...

I’d rather fall down fighting at the end than crawl up to mediocrity.

Maybe I’ll have to rethink my non-hatred for Beavers fans if this sort of stuff it the norm.

Go Duckies!

by JShufelt on May 23, 2008 4:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Louisville, Cincinnati

etc., etc., etc.

--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog

by Addicted to Quack on May 23, 2008 5:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know what really pisses Beavers off?

Its that they hate us, but we don’t hate them. Bothers them more than anything. They can’t stand it.

Boy, the trolls are really out today. Where were they at during basketball season?

--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog

by Addicted to Quack on May 23, 2008 5:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm starting to commiserate with UM fans over MSU

The little brother may kick the big brothers ass every so often (or more often than not in this case)...

...but they will always have little brother syndrome.

by jtlight on May 23, 2008 5:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not even ass kickings...

How about the little brother racing the bigger brother across the street whilst the big brother has a broken leg, concussion, mono, and (of course) a torn ACL.

by qrsouther on May 25, 2008 4:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Possibly even #3 in the Pac

I hate the fuskies WAY more than the beavs and I have a feeling that with neuweasel at fucla they move in to my #2 most hated spot.

by jessenumber1 on May 23, 2008 7:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depending on the audacity the weasel displays there

I’ve always been cool with UCLA. They seem pretty docile lately. If the weasel comes out in CU or UW fashion, he’s quickly moving them up.

by qrsouther on May 25, 2008 4:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, I Forgot to Answer the Questions

Why are Beaver fans so jealous?
Because they don’t know how to stand up when they pee. (Not counting their women)
Because their coach is bald and not nearly as handsome and Mike Bellotti.
Because the only “beaver” they’ll ever get close too, is a big furry mascot or a rodent in a ditch.

Q: How do you tell is a girl from OSU is on her period?
A: She is only wearing one sock.

Three

by tominhawaii on May 23, 2008 6:25 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Taking time to comment

It cracks me up that OSU fans take time to scroll thru a DUCK website to take pot shots at Duck fans. I am sure if I went to the beavers fan site there are no negative comments on OU or the Ducks program. C’mon beavers grow up. I am sure there are better things to do with your time then come to ATQ and talk smack.

How about read a book, or think of new and inventive ways to defend your basketball team.

by DuckinNC on May 23, 2008 6:51 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We do it because its so much fun

I love how you get all defensive. Our football team owns you, yet all we ever hear about is your overhyped program. You are better at basketball than us, but you still underachieve. And of course you have to start a baseball team because you are so freaking jealous of our success.

I will comment any time I want when its warranted, because Ducks fans make me sick!

by IHATETHEFUCKINGDUCKS on May 23, 2008 9:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heh

recognize that you will comment as long as I allow you to comment.

--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog

by Addicted to Quack on May 23, 2008 10:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Woah

He put together a coherent sentence. A big round for this username.

by qrsouther on May 25, 2008 4:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whatever

U of O is a public institution, if anyone owns U of O, it is the fine men and women of Oregon and our troops. I take it from that, you don’t support our troops.

I wonder what went wrong at OSU to make you hate the fine men and women fighting for your right to be a racist. If you hate America so much, why don’t you move to Cuba you commie!

Four

by tominhawaii on May 25, 2008 5:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jealous?

I this forum call addicted to CRACK? The last team or group of fans Beavs or Beav fans would ever be jealous of are Quack-Addicts!

We know we are better and you dimwits know it too!

by OSU2008 on May 23, 2008 10:39 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hahahaha
I this forum call addicted to CRACK?

Just figured that parody out, eh?

These trolls are pretty classic. I kinda hope they don’t go away.

Go Duckies!

by JShufelt on May 24, 2008 7:42 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

9-4

I wish Oregon would finish 9-4 in football. Let’s all agree that OS minus the U has a MUCH, MUCH better football program.

So OS minus the U2008 I bow down to you, may this be the year you “break” through and win in september.

by teedawg on May 24, 2008 7:45 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OSU national recognition

“They (OSU) have not attracted excitement or national exposure because of how they have reached their end result.” Need I remind duck fans that OSU football has finished in the AP Top 25 poll for the last two years. Unless someone can prove that Brooks Hatch and Cliff Kirkpatrick of the Corvallis Gazette-Times have found some way to stuff the ballot, Oregon State is receiving recognition from media across the nation. Paul Buker of the Oregonian who is credited here with a “rediculous statement” is an alum of UO. The problem that duck fans have is not jealousy by OSU fans, it’s their own paranoia of any criticism of UO athletics. It should be expected that duck fans would bash Paul Buker after their outstanding treatment of former UO basketball player Stan Love and his family.

by OSUFBfan on May 24, 2008 11:17 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its not that OSU isn't a decent football team

its that people look at the top 25 at the end of the season and say “what the hell is OSU doing here?”. Nobody talks about you during the season because everyone outside the west coast only knows the Beavers for getting blown out on national TV in week two or three of the season.

--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog

by Addicted to Quack on May 24, 2008 11:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Both sides look the same to me

Let’s be honest, there are things that Beavers are jealous of the Ducks about: Phil Knight, top recruits even considering going there, GameDay appearances, and the fact that your hoops team can win a Pac-10 game.

But the jealously clearly goes both ways. How else can you explain the restarting of a baseball program after the Beavs won two titles?

You can’t really blame the Beavs commenting on a Ducks blog either when you look at the same crap happening on Bukers blog, A beaver blog.

Both teams and fans are passionate and the fact that the teams ARE so closely matched over the last decade feeds that. Each set of fans has to justify why “we’re better than you” because both teams have their obvious flaws and both teams are a win or two away from being BCS bound the last few years. Its a good thing. Just look at hoops. Nobody argues passionately about hoops because the Beavs are so bad. There’s really nothing to say.

Anyways, good luck this year. Hopefully this is our season to beat a Big 10 team and maybe get a little of the spotlight for a few weeks.

Go Beavs!

--------------------------------------
Jason's OSU Beavers Blog

by BeaverProj on May 24, 2008 12:35 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well said

thank you from a Ducks fan to a Beavers fan.

by DuckinNC on May 24, 2008 7:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You definitely earned some cred with that

I think the advent (er, rather, rebirth) of UO baseball was less from jealousy and more from interest. All I’ve seen is crediting you guys with starting this for us.

That’s my honest opinion on it, that it’s not as much jealousy and more curiosity to restart a sport that is snowballing in the Northwest all of a sudden. This is not at all discrediting you guys. On the contrary, it’s really because of you guys. And I thank you for that.

by qrsouther on May 25, 2008 4:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nah

I think it was about greed and recognition. UO saw all the attention OSU was getting for baseball and UO decided they would like some of that action. Not a rip in them, just the truth. I doubt there is much jealousy or animosity among most fan of either program.

I think most fans of OSU and UO are in the middle and just like politics, its the ones on the fringe that make the most noise and get the most attention. My best friend and best man at my wedding is a rabid Beaver fan and even he would not say he “Hates the f-ing Ducks.” Unfortunately, there are immature fans of both teams, the troll’s here and the Love incident fans. Anyone with an ounce of intelegence knows the trolls do not represent OSU and the Love incident fans do not represent UO.

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by tominhawaii on May 25, 2008 5:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

I always understood that UO was pretty obvious and clear that it was because of OSU, and that it was nothing of envy. Guess I was mistaken.

by qrsouther on May 26, 2008 3:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Same thing only different

Envy and jealousy are two different things.

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by tominhawaii on May 27, 2008 1:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

provoked the jealousy of Beaver fans?

First off, I didn’t search out this website. It was linked from elsewhere. I find all things Beavers vs. ducks interesting most of the time.

Your article starts off, “a few articles came out today that provoked the jealousy of Beaver fans.” I assume you’re mainly speaking of the Buker blog. Well, the first 3 responses were from ducks. The Beaver fans responding were responding to the duck responses. It seems as though you are implying the blog provoked the jealousy of Beavs fans.

“They have failed to reach a bowl better than the Sun Bowl in since 2000.” OSU participated in the Fiesta Bowl on January 1, 2001.

“there is no comparison of 2001 and before, even including the 2000 season”. Are you saying Oregon was much better in 2000 than OSU? Didn’t OSU, uo and UW tie for the conference title?

by BeaverBill on May 24, 2008 3:14 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow...way to make your points

The news of Bellotti’s salary made Beaver fans envious.

Oregon State has not reached a bowl game better than the Sun Bowl since the 2000 season, which included the 2001 Fiesta Bowl.

As for before 2002, there is no comparison. OSU got the better of UO in 2000, but the rest of the decade was no comparison whatsoever. Before 1999, OSU had not had a winning record since 1971. They were almost the joke that OSU basketball is now.

by jtlight on May 24, 2008 4:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did you seriously try to debunk Dave's point, saying

that a New Years Day bowl is not a part of the season up-to it?

by qrsouther on May 25, 2008 4:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

small pecker syndrome

An earlier poster has it right. Sure their stadium is ugly and named after a tater salad magnate (it tastes horrible, btw). Sure Mike Riley sounds like a moron…Aside from these and manifold other reasons, the simple fact is that the Civil War just ain’t what it used to be. Back in the seventies and early eighties when Oregon couldn’t muster a winning season and OSU was arguably the worst football program in Div 1, the annual meeting was the (only) high point of the season for both squads. These days, however, other rivalries are just more important. OSU has gone from laughing stock to spoiler, but has yet to “arrive.” Most Duck fans and alums I know consider the real NW rival to be Washington, not Oregon State, and this is the locus of the beaver envy and animus. It sucks to be ignored, I suppose but a few civil war wins over injury-riddled Oregon teams doesn’t generate a helluva lot of respect…in Eugene or elsewhere. I should also note that OSU is also one of those teams that annually feed SEC homerism by choking on the road against BCS opponents. Cincinnati? Puhleeze. Next time you Barkrats venture into Tiger stadium, please do us proud and make your freaking extra points…besides shutting up some arrogant southern peeps, it will help get us up for the game when we meet.

by Old Ducker on May 24, 2008 8:40 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's not take shots at stadium names and such

Stooping to the depths is not what ducks do.

I agree though about the yet-to-arrive points and the UW rivalry. I’ve always had 4 times the animosity towards the Fuskies than the Beavs. I think I’ve said this before elsewhere… It’s all Oregon. When the ducks aren’t playing, and I want some respect drawn to the Pac other than SC, the Beavs get my support. Don’t make me withdraw that, trolls.

by qrsouther on May 25, 2008 4:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how conveeenient

Yeah, we were your rival when you could beat us, but now that you’ve only beaten us one time since 2003, the bottom dweller Huskies make a much better rival.

Gotta love the “injury-riddled” excuse making. We were missing our starting quarterback. We had a running back who started as a walkon safety, then WR, then LB, then finally RB. We were missing 2006’s top returning receiver in the PAC10, 3rd team All America due to a kidney laceration. We were missing a third team all american OG. We had just as many injuries, but just played through.

Cincinnati finished the season ranked #17 in the country, you old ducking ignoramus.

by beavazapata on May 25, 2008 5:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's quite funny...

that you refer to Canfield as a starting Quarterback. Great joke!

Also, as for Cincinnati…their ending rank does not make up for 34-3. What a friggin embarrassment to the Pac-10.

by jtlight on May 25, 2008 6:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably not as big an embarrassment

as losing to big 10 bottom feeder Indiana, or getting wiped off the map by BYU.

And yes, Canfield was our starting QB. We lost the ability to throw deep, and Canfield had better numbers than Moevao.

by beavazapata on May 25, 2008 7:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for the chuckle

I love the Beaver fans can only respond with BYU.

The fact that Canfield or Moevao are Pac-10 QBs is saddening to me.

by jtlight on May 25, 2008 10:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We can "only" respond with BYU?

I also responded with Indiana. Indiana was the joke of the Big Ten. How do you think Oregon losing to the Hoosiers at home affected the PAC10’s prestige among BigTen fans?

by zapata2 on May 26, 2008 5:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not 1/2 as much...

As destroying Michigan in the Big House, in the worst defeat there in 40 years.

by jtlight on May 26, 2008 5:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Moevao > Canfield

And yeah, let’s totally go back to 2004, and 2006. I thought 2007 was the subject at hand, my fiend.

by qrsouther on May 26, 2008 3:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yah. That's a lot of injuries...

That is child’s play compared to Oregon last year. Don’t even try to go that route. We lost 3 of our QBs; Not just Dixon. We lost a dang fine RB, and had J-Stew running all over the field with turf toe. We lost what – 3 wide receivers? And they weren’t all offensive either, as we lost one of our starting LB.

I wouldn’t doubt I’m missing some, if anyone cares to point more out.

The point is, you can’t make a good comparison. Despite all the other injuries, I have no doubt if Dixon didn’t fall, we go to the national championship.

Go Duckies!

by JShufelt on May 26, 2008 8:50 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To add one more thing....

With perfect timing, Sunday Morning QB, the best college sports analyst online, gives his premature assessment of OSU.

There’s not much you can argue with, though the trolls on this page probably will. It will take a miracle for OSU to reach 9 wins this year… so again, no threat to the Pac-10 title. Hey, maybe in 20 years.

by jtlight on May 24, 2008 9:25 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not much to argue?

He says OSU has no other playmakers other than Stroughter… and fails to mention James Rodgers (and his 11+ yards per carry).

by beavazapata on May 25, 2008 5:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hahaha...

on 19 carries! Holy crap, grow a little perspective. I’m at least honest about how good our team is.
And your own blogger (who all of us hear respect), agreed with SMQ, who is the best college fb blogger on the internet.

by jtlight on May 25, 2008 6:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

19 carries?

You are looking at Rodgers’ receptions, not his rushing attempts. James Rodgers had more yards rushing than Dennis Dixon, on half as many carries. Had 130 more yards rushing than Crenshaw on 32 fewer carries. Had 240 yards more than Jeremiah Johnson on 4 fewer carries.

Yes the fly sweep is not used that many times per game but it is a big play weapon and it isn’t just denial for Duck fans to think Rodgers isn’t a playmaker… its weird, given the speed and ability to shed tacklers that Rodgers showed on OSU”s final offensive play of the CW.

And he isn’t “my own blogger.” I’ve never even read anything he’s written. He could be just anybody with a blog. Maybe you all “respect” him just because he writes things you agree with. SMQ couldn’t possibly be the best internet blogger if he’s so sloppy he failed to even mention James Rodgers.

by beavazapata on May 25, 2008 7:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jake at BTD is your own blogger

and a damn good one at that. As for SMQ, his reputation is impeccable.

--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog

by Addicted to Quack on May 25, 2008 8:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK, you tell me

How did Jake get to be MY blogger without my knowledge or permission? What are his credentials? If jtlight can be a blogger, than any idiot can qualify. Can you give me an example of a stellar blog entry Jake has posted? As far as I know, he’s just one of a million wannabe fanboy sportswriters, and I bet there are many, many OSU followers who disagree with SMQ. Once again, you tell me that SMQ is the best, but somebody that good wouldn’t completely omit to mention a returning player who as a freshman had better rushing stats than either Dennis Dixon or Jeremiah Johnson.

by beavazapata on May 25, 2008 8:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i like the comparison

so you are comparing your so called star rusher with our quarterback that got injured, our second best back that got injured, and our third string back. i like the intelligence. once again compared to our injured players and 2nd string the beavs are not all that bad.

by allduckedup on May 25, 2008 9:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great reading comprehension

I never called him our star rusher. He was actually second on the team as a freshman. But SMQ, who according to Ducks on this site is supposedly the best blogger/analyst on the internet, doesn’t mention him at all, and says OSU has no playmakers other than Stroughter.

Dixon’s injury is irrelevant to the comparison. Dixon had twice as many carries as Rodgers, yet fewer yards gained.

Johnson, who many Duck fans think will start this fall, had more carries than Rodgers , but 240 fewer yards.

Its a comparison to yards and carries, not games played.

You Ducks are too used to playing the injury card. You are starting to apply it to everything whether it makes sense or not.

by beavazapata on May 25, 2008 9:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dont cry

its funny you like to compare your reciever/runningbacks yards to our qbs rushing yards. what ever makes you feel better. hey your recievers caught more passes than our linebacks did last year. does that make you feel better?

by allduckedup on May 25, 2008 9:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

Sacks a QB takes counts against his rushing yards. Don’t forget that he also must improvise on non-running plays. Not as easy as taking a handoff and running forward for whatever your O-line gives you.

by qrsouther on May 26, 2008 3:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if we are just "wanna be sportswriters"

then why are you wasting your time here. Go to ESPN and believe the crap that they’re spewing out at you.

--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog

by Addicted to Quack on May 25, 2008 9:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude...

Don’t call me an idiot. I didn’t stoop to that level, and I would appreciate if you didn’t either. Yes, I misread Rodgers’ stats, but don’t insult my intelligence.

And while Rodgers’ has been good and is a threat, he is an specialist. He has not shown the ability to take over a game like other players have, so that comparison is not very apt. He scored only 4 touchdowns all of last year.

Also, don’t blast some of the best bloggers on the internet when you have not read their work, or level of analysis.

by jtlight on May 25, 2008 10:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously

beavazapata, jtlight is a respected name on SBN.

Even moreso is SMQ. Please don’t call some truly talented writers and contributers idiots.

by qrsouther on May 26, 2008 3:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cry little beavers cry

I want to make the beaves feel better so this next civil war lets take out eight starters and play our 5th string quarterback so they might have a chance to win again. besides its probably good practice for our second stringers. where can I purchase a don’t be jealous t shirt for the civil war? A bear and a beaver are sitting in the woods. the bear looks at the beaver and says ” do you have a problem with shit sticking to your fur?” the beaver said ” no” so the bear took the beaver and wiped his ass with him.

by allduckedup on May 25, 2008 12:48 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK mr light

I’m just going to make one more comment, and then leave you free to wallow in your own crapulence.

You say the Ducks “competed for Pac-10 titles in 2005 and 2007.” That’s fairly true. The Ducks finished 1 game out of first in 2005 and 2 games out in 2007.

Then you go on to say, “You haven’t been able to say the words “Oregon State” and “competing for Pac-10 title” since 2000”

Well gee, OSU finished 1 game out of first in 2006, and one game out of first in 2007. One more win in either season, and OSU ties for the championship. You can’t get any closer to the championship without winning it than that. Wouldn’t you say that OSU “competed” for the PAC10 title in both seasons? If you don’t, then you can’t say the UO did, either. Being in first halfway through the league schedule and then fading to a fourth place tie out of ten is like leading the Boston Marathon at the 15 mile mark and then dropping back behind 40% of the runners by the time you get to the finish.

This is a perfect illustration of why

by beavazapata on May 25, 2008 9:27 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

continued

Beaver fans make fun of UO. Its funny that Duck fans always take it as “jealousy.” We find your arrogance and self delusion incredibly amusing.

by beavazapata on May 25, 2008 9:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the bottom line

is that nobody takes you seriously becuase all everyone knows OSU for is getting blown out on national TV sometime in September.

--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog

by Addicted to Quack on May 25, 2008 9:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Read the posts above yours - there really isn't that much

DuckHater said “Last two years OSU has finished one game ouf of the Pac10 Championship. You can’t get any closer to a Pac10 title w/ out winning it. So, logically speaking OSU has been in the title hunt the last two years. Or, as you might say, just ackknowledging the obvious!”

To which JTLight replied “my point is not they didn’t finish close, it’s that they have been mathematically out of the running before November. Talk about excitement!”

So to use your marathon metaphor (and I admit I’m stretching it) I guess it would be the equivalent of a person who fell down at the start of the race, then that highlight was shown on National TV, then he/she start running at his/her top speed for the rest of the race even though everyone knows it was impossible to catch up.

by bradLL99 on May 25, 2008 9:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Once again....

Don’t insult my intelligence. I already explain why I said what I did, as others have pointed out.

If you’re going to come here, be respectful of others views. I have not denigrated your intelligence, so don’t do that to me.

by jtlight on May 25, 2008 10:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

Listen to the man beavazapata.

by qrsouther on May 26, 2008 3:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK, I won't be rude anymore

but to say that OSU was “mathematically eliminated” before November” in both 2006 and 2007 is entirely incorrect, especially in 2007.

In 2007, OSU finished 6-3, while USC and ASU went 7-2.

On the morning of December 1st, 2007, Oregon State was 5-3, while USC and ASU were 6-2. An OSU win along with losses by USC and ASU would have meant all three teams were 6-3, a three way tie for the PAC10 championship. This means that OSU was still in contention for a share of the PAC10 championship after November had completed, a far cry from being mathematically eliminated before November even began, as you claimed they were.

In 2006, OSU was mathematically eliminated on November 18th.

by zapata2 on May 26, 2008 4:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depends on your definitions...

Thank you for posting the records, etc, and I was a bit rash in declaring then mathematically eliminated before November (which wasn’t the case). But I still stand by my initial statement. You really have been unable to say "Oregon state" and "competing for Pac-10 title" in some time.

I really don’t think that you can claim that a 3 loss team is in the running for a Pac-10 title, whatever the mathematics. While it was still possible to "tie" for the title (which is iffy depending on the case), in those cases, they had 3 losses in the early part of November. And since 2001, Oregon State has been 4-3 or worse going into their 8th Pac-10 game. I’m sorry, but 4-3 is not competing for a title. It’s not even close. If Oregon were 4-3 at that point, I would not think they were in the competition for the Pac-10 title.

I’m sure you may use these arguments against me in the case of Oregon 2005, but at least that was a 1-loss team, very close to getting an at-large BCS bid, and lost to a great football team. While they didn’t have a great shot at the Pac-10 title, they were much better than any of the teams OSU put up the last 6 years.

Again, I’ll re-iterate the original point. OSU has been a solid football team the last few years. They have overachieved in many cases, and done better than expected. That is to be commended. But they have not been exciting. There is really nothing that they have done to gain national attention (besides missing extra points to blow a game in Death Valley). Simply put, outside of Corvallis, OSU has not been a very exciting program. You can count on them to go 4-3 in conference, maybe win out, and end up in the 3-6 spot of the Pac-10. That’s solid, but not exciting at all. And honestly, OSU will in all likelihood not be winning any Pac-10 titles for some time.

Oregon, while they have underachieved, had done a few great things, and done what is has done in a very exciting fashion. A exhilarating offense, bigs wins over national powers, one in very controversial fashion, flashy uniforms, Nike, Phil Knight, national recruiting, etc. All of these things have brought Oregon notoriety and attention.

OSU has not gotten this attention, despite its reliability, and performing the exact same as Oregon. You may not like this, but that’s just the way it goes.

by jtlight on May 26, 2008 5:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My definition

of competing is being among the league leaders and having a chance to be in first place at the end, even if it is a tie. Be careful of dismissing shared championships, since Oregon has some of those.

Having three losses doesn’t necessarily mean the team didn’t compete for the title. It depends on the year. If the champ goes 9-0 or 8-1, and my team goes 6-3,, then no, it wasn’t really a competition. But if my team has a chance to be a champion until the final games in the league schedule are completed, then yes, I’d say we definitely competed. The old 8 game schedule saw several two-loss champs. With a 9 game schedule, the odds of having a three loss champion increased.

If you think a three loss team didn’t compete, then you shouldn’t have Oregon’s four loss 2007 season there. Sure, you were in it at the beginning, but went buttons up 2/3 of the way there.

OSU has beaten UO on the scoreboard and in the PAC10 standings in three of the past four years. Only two seasons in the 2000’s have seen the Ducks finish with a better overall record than OSU… that’s two out of eight. We may not have had sloppy seconds against Michigan after a 1AA team had already enjoyed itself at the Wolverines expense, we might not have been of the receiving end of the Great Replay Ref Ripoff, but at least now we have stupid looking uniforms too. Oh yes, and we also ended USC’s 38-game conference winning streak, gave a nationally respected Boise State their only loss of the year, gave an up and coming Missouri team their last loss before they went on a dominating run in the Big XII with an offense that was just as powerful as Oregon’s, and as you noted, had LSU’s fans and players leave the field feeling like they got lucky. And Notre Dame really really hates us.

Even more, you are overlooking the exciting nature of Oregon State’s seasons. OSU follows the pattern of almost every Hollywood movie about team sports. We stumble at the beginning, then pick ourselves up and make a great run at the end. Its interesting, entertaining and inspiring. OSU is the team that triumphs in the face of adversity. UO is the team that shows some flashes at the start and then faceplants into the toilet in November. How many sports movies are made about teams that lose most of their last few games?

I know you really want us to be jealous of you, but really, we just like making fun of you. Its so easy and rewarding.

by zapata2 on May 27, 2008 3:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whatever

If you want to hype up Oregon States accomplishments, then whatever. 3 losses in early November is not competing in the minds of most. If you want to convince yourself otherwise, go ahead. I wouldn’t stoop to that level as a fan of my team. And, before you bring up 2007, in my mind, that is different as Oregon controlled their own destiny up until the last game of the season. If 6-3 and losing out on automatic bids and tying for the Pac-10 title is your definition of success…then, have fun with that. I hope my team sets its sights a little higher, even if it falls hard 1/2 the time.

As far as movies being made, at this point, movies aren’t being made about either team. I haven’t disputed that Oregon has faceplanted. I’ve been pretty objective about both teams accomplishments. And maybe OSU is inspiring to the fans, but it’s not garnering national attention due to its early season embarrassments. Movies are usually made about success, not above-mediocrity, even if that is in the face of adversity.

Lastly, I could care less if Oregon State fans are jealous. I would prefer you wouldn’t be. And here’s the difference between us: I don’t feel the need to disparage the accomplishments of OSU. I applaud their accomplishments.

There are plenty of great OSU fans, but when they are represented by the writers of the Daily Barometer or by the whining of Buker or others, it reflects very poorly on the entire fanbase. It makes the fanbase look needy for praise of any tiny accomplishment.

I’m glad the University of Oregon sets its sights higher than that.

by jtlight on May 27, 2008 4:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sucks about the serries selection though

Seriously OSU got jobbed, Oklahoma has no business being in the series. It’s just ricoculous.

by bradLL99 on May 26, 2008 3:59 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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