The A-11 Offense
by qrsouther on Jul 24, 2008 8:55 PM PDT
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PrintThanks to Alex Braga at Moseley's blog for linking this to me.
What say we put in a word to Chip about this (if he hasn't already explored it) and see if we could run it some?
The basics about it can be seen at the Rivals link. There's a video in the top right corner of it. Definitely looks like something we'd try.
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Looks like it has possibilities...
But I wouldn’t want to run that as a base offense. Looks like a higher illegal shift probability. It also only looks to be most effective if you catch the defense out of position (Much like our ‘07 field goal/PAT formation). A defense that is well coached wouldn’t be fooled too easily.
Oregon is probably one of the only teams in the country that could pull something like this off due to the brainiastic awesomeness of Chip Kelly, and our stellar athletic depth.
I also see this as a possible risk formation too, one that could lean to high interception rates. The QB had to throw on the run way too often. If the QB is given time to make it into a draw play, it looks to be a very high yardage yield, but the QB rarely had enough time for anything like that. He had pressure at an alarming rate.
It reminds me of watching Michale Vick being forced to make something out of nothing.
Still, it’s a neat concept.
Go Duckies!
interesting
but much like the wishbone not being able to work in the NFL, it just wouldn’t work in college due to the increased athleticism/speed available at the college level.
But it’s fascinating to watch and a great idea at the high school level where differences in the sizes of teams can be be extreme.
Well, see, he doesn’t have to make the rollout throw
He has two ineligible receivers setting up screens, as he dumps it off to them, it effectively becomes a running play, a lateral.
Besides, do you think teams are ever gonna blitz on that?
Your friendly neighborhood placekicker.
They don't need to blitz...
They just need one fairly decent pass rusher. But they still can blitz, and the play won’t be in good shape 80% of the time.
I broke down the majority of this video: First Half of the A-11 Offense
My connection on the site has kinda petered out some, but here is what I have so far:
1st Series
8 Yard QB Run
38 yard Rollout Pass
Incomplete Hurried Screen Pass
9 Yard Screen Pass
4 Yard Direct Snap Run
-1 Yard Screen Pass
-1 Yard QB Run
10 Yard TD Pass (Very Nice Catch) – Penalty?
9 Yard Pass
1 Yard Rollout TD Pass
2nd Series
1 Yard Screen Pass
Incomplete Rollout Pass
Interception – Hurried Pass
3rd Series
-1 Yard Shovel Pass
0 Yard Screen Pass
Incomplete Hurried Rollout Pass
4th Series (2nd Qtr)
39 yard QB Pitch to QB/HB Pass (Awesome Play, Terrible Pass)
7 Yard Run (Standard Big-I formation)
-3 Yard Loss (Standard Big-I Formation)
13 Yard Rollout Pass
14 Yard TD QB Draw
Go Duckies!
The first series is the kind of thing I could see Chip playing with it as
The 2nd series sounds like a not very good QB.
The 3rd series sounds too conservative of play calling.
The 4th series seemed like a very successful series, though it features the I-form which won’t happen here.
Your friendly neighborhood placekicker.
What looked like happened...
In the 2nd and 3rd series, the defense just went to a dime zone coverage and threw in a spy or two.There were no options down field, and the 3 man pass rush was still heavy. The only quick options were the short WR screens, which the defense had no problem containing.
The success of the 4th series was probably due to them lining up in an I, and running it a couple times, and the QB did a perfect bait on the draw.
The play at QB wasn’t good, but it wasn’t even “good” (it wasn’t really bad though) in the first series.
The 3rd series wasn’t due to play calling. It was limited options. The shovel pass was due to heavy rush.
Go Duckies!
This seems to have gotten some more attention as well...
From Deadspin this morning: The actual A-11 website.
In my opinion, this is a highly specific offense that will have little staying power outside of small high schools. The main advantages is that it values speed over size. Thus, smaller high schools can compete. However, there are many dis-ads that Shufelt listed above. For a college offense, when the size disparity isn’t there, there seems to be little to no advantage to run this offense, with many, many downsides.
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Injuries waiting to happen
Injuries is all i can see when i watch this offense. I believe we had a lot of guys go down because they are always in space against small defenders who have to go low. More shots to the knees, more busted knees. With the A11 offense some is going to get hurt every other play at the college level. Interesting to watch but I trust what Chip did last year and what ever he does this year.
Ducks Go!
Oddly enough...
One thing they tout on their website is the lack of injuries. Maybe at that level, most injuries occur at the line? I’m not sure why they claim that.
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None of our knee injuries were in open space
All were either in a cloud of dust and a helmet to the knee, or a misfortunate change of direction (you know.)
You do make an interesting point though, and it most likely theoretically is an injury-prone offense, but your point about our knee injuries in open space was moot. To credit, the thought process does make you think about the other aspect to spread offense, guys open in space, defenders having to get low. That was a very intriguing point that I’d never thought of before. But, again, it wasn’t so last year.
Your friendly neighborhood placekicker.
actualy that change of direction
pretty much just capped him off. What actualy got him hurt was against ASU when he got tackled low in open space by the sideline. So once again knee injury in an open space
by AirForceDuck on Jul 29, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
You're right that the fateful change of direction in the desert
Was just an end-all, but I seem to remember the helmet to the knee when he was carrying a keeper out of bounds in the ASU game, and he dove out of bounds bound for the First Down line, taking a helmet en route. This also, IIRC, was not in open space.
Your friendly neighborhood placekicker.
What do you consider open space?
I may be mistaken, but was he taking that guy one on one, after he got free on an option, or was it a scramble? For good reason my brain has supressed thoughs memories
by AirForceDuck on Jul 30, 2008 4:49 AM PDT up reply actions
He made a read around the end
There were 3 or 4 ASU defenders and a few blockers by the sideline, he headed over, and in a minor cloud of dust, he took a helmet to the knee.
Your friendly neighborhood placekicker.
k
well you remember better than me for sure, like i said kinda blocked it out, and the tears made it hard to see too
by AirForceDuck on Jul 30, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
This offence works
The head coach of El Cajon Valley HS (at the time, 1986), Jason Texler, implemented a type of A11 off for his quarterback Abraham Muheize. Abraham was really a running back/wide receiver but volunteered to run the offense. He was a senior and had never played QB. His mechanics were bad so coach Texler decided to line him up 10 yards behind the center to eliminate the center from being hit when the ball was snapped which also allowed for Abraham to scramble more and see the receivers. The offense worked so well El Cajon went to the CIF Championship game for the first time since 1976 when Mark Malone took them there.
Coach Texler is now an assistant coach at San Diego Powerhouse Helix. Home of Reggie Bush and Alex Smith.
I don't doubt that it CAN work...
At a high school level.
Take it to the D-I college level, and the players are too fast.
Go Duckies!
agreed!
I don’t want to see it in college but it was exciting in high school with a fast kid that could run it.
I bet it could be used very well in moderation
Not over maybe 30 or 40% though.
Your friendly neighborhood placekicker.
5% Max
There is no way that this offense would work used to that degree.
It works in high school because players are undisciplined, and the talent disparity is much larger. This isn’t the case in college. Different teams have different skill sets, but the overall size and talent isn’t near what it is in high school.
It also doesn’t take advantage of running backs. I applaud the coaches for using what they have, but this offense would not be good. It’d be a random change of pace, a play or two a game. It would be a disaster running it any more than that.
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Not impressed one bit....
What happens when you’re inside the 20 and the defense has infinately less space to cover. All these frilly offenses bother me when you get closer to the goal…even the one our Ducks run. Just line up some beef, knock the D-line in the mouth, and roll over them and into the endzone already.
Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.
Being inside the 20 is true with about every offense...
Last year, Oregon was 2nd in the Pac-10 Red Zone TD percentage at 64%. USC was 67%. Though Oregon had less chances, despite scoring 70 more points over the season. Most likely due to the explosive nature of the offense.
The Duck offense was so good because it created great matchups, which is key. One problem with just running is that it limits the effectiveness of every player. The Ducks ran a lot, but created matchups to make the running game easier. They ran a lot inside the 20s, but the defense was spread, making it tough to defend. One play wasn’t expected, as is often the case with a smash mouth line up.
Would this offense do the same? Probably not, because the advantage of speed is diminished by the smaller field, but the disadvantages would still be present.
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