I don’t want to see the Beavers lose their games, just the civil war.

I agree! (and hope I don’t have to revoke my membership too)

When the Pac10 play other conferences I root like hell for the Pac10.

When the Beavs play, I like to see them do well. Only because the better the Beavs play—and other in the Pac10—the better it looks when the Ducks whoop on them.

Similarly, I enjoyed watching the Beavs with their baseball titles.

1) UO didn’t have a team.
2) It proved NW teams/kids can play.
3) It brought recognition to our state of Oregon.

Anyhow…

Great read, Dave!

I root for the Beavs when they’re not playing us, and have said so publicly on many occasions. I have too many friends who are Beavers to wish them too much ill will. They just happen to have some very annoying insecure fans.

And probably something like 7th in passing.

Damn.

Someone must be jealous that teams like Oklahoma never play in the big burrito. Enjoy Hawaii, though. Thats pretty big time for a home game for the Beavs. Biggest non-conference home game in Reser history?

I looked it up, and it appears we still have the W in the column.

Strange…
Maybe if Oklahoma didn’t just bitch about the call, and prevented our offense from getting a TD, and if they could block a bit better on the 44 yard kick attempt they could have still won the game.

One thing I can say about Ducks is that they don’t dwell on bad calls in the past. They get over it. I can’t quite say the same thing about the Beavers. (coughwashingtoncough)

Phil Knights gifts to U of O athletics were built OVER TIME. The Oregon success in the early to mid 90s brought Knight back into the program, which further fed the program. If I remember correctly, most of his major gifts were not given until the late 90s. The initial success was built on its own, which helped propel further success.

What I think is hilarious as well is how Oregon State likes to think of itself as the bootstrapping hard working program. That’s how Oregon has for years, before OSU had any sniff of success. Yes, Oregon has had some disappointing seasons recently, but that’s a price of success and expectations, and I think many fans are happy with the growth of the program in the face of adversity, despite the “slide” last year.

I think Costa has the right attitude, and learned well from Dixon and Leaf the attitude that you must have.

Our teams have had to learn how to succeed when that is expected, and that has not been easy, but strides are being made, I feel. i don’t think too many players feel that success is a given anymore, though that may have been the case earlier. Every team and player must play hard every day.

In 2002, we didn’t have the talent we thought we had.
In 2003, we got a big head, got knocked down, settled down, and had a good season in the end.
In 2004, that was the worst…capped off 3 horrible years of offense under Ludwig.
In 2006, the team imploded. But a lot of those players are still around, so I don’t see that happening again.
In 2007, the team battled injuries as good as anyone could have expected.

For all the talk of Oregon falling apart, BYU, yadda, yadda, that is not symptomatic of the program, I feel, but of one team. The program is learning from mistakes, and it seems like those mistakes have not often been repeated.

“After all, why do you think Kirk Herbstreit called your program the "Paris Hiltons of College Football"?”

Yah… I remember more of him telling his wife to pack their bags, because they were moving to Eugene.

Don’t bruise yourself too hard from pounding your chest after narrowly beating the Oregon Duck’s practice squad.

Oh, and I wouldn’t even attempt to generalize Springfield area as white trash losers. You guys have your own struggles to deal with.

OSU was embarassed nationally by BSU. There is no comparisson to the results of these games in any way, and no outsider would disgree.

Second, as for proving it on the field, that could be said both ways. Yes, Oregon has had some down years recently, and has not been as consistent as OSU, but that’s not really a bad thing. That doesn’t prove superiority at all.

On the whole, most Oregon fans (especially those on this blog) are very realistic about where the Ducks rank nationally. OSU fans are not. They whine about no respect, etc. And that is because they haven’t earned it on the field. They have no competed for a Pac-10 title since 2000, and were a punchline before that. Oregon has been growing it’s success since 1990.

As for the Sun Bowl, OSU chose not to go…so, there is that too. Oregon didn’t deserve it, but it was handed to us from our friendly rodent pals.

But anytime that the Oregon fans are even realistic about the positions about both teams, Beaver fans get all pissy. Seriously, go outside of Oregon, read some respected writers, and be realistic about where you place.

Actually, South Florida has been highly regarded going into this season by many. Because of this, the Sun Bowl victory, and its dramatic fashion, has stayed talked about much longer than even I expected.

As for the wins you dissect, I would expect nothing less from a partisan homer. Congrats on your bias! The fact of the matter is, that UO has won some big early season games, and OSU has not. That really is all that matters. No one remembers the record at the end of the season in those games, but they remember how it happened. I’m sorry, but that’s just how it goes. Bitch and whine all you want, but that will not be changing. If OSU beats Penn State, then we can start talking. That would be a huge step for the program, but at this point, that would be doubtful.

As we’ve said all along, the wins that OSU has had have not really meant much. The USC was viewed as very lucky due to the turnovers. The Cal game was won on the Riley brainfart. While I’m sure OSU fans will view that as a win, and revel in those victories, they are looking upon questionably by others. They don’t see OSU victories as much as Cal and USC losses. You may hate that, but that’s the context of those games.

In the exact same way, many around the country do not view the Oregon victory over Oklahoma as a true one. I will never give that experience up, as I was in the stadium and it was one of the most exciting things I’ve ever been at. But it definitely is questionable. However, despite that, Oregon got important attention. The game was big going INTO it, and talked about for a long time. And the comeback was talked about as well.

It’s not simply a matter of wins and losses and against who. Perception is key, and so is context. You many think that Oregon success and the respect it gets is all smoke and mirrors, but as someone who lives in the Midwest, and listens to a wide variety of opinions, that simply is not true. All the advertising has helped, but on the whole, Oregon has backed it up. Even into this year, when people talk about Oregon, they talk about how they would have been in the national championship without the injury to Dixon.

Instead of resenting success, deal with it. There is no dissing or double standards going on. This is just how college football works. Deal with it, and worry about OSU, not Oregon.

If every beaver fan is content with not competing for the Pac-10 championship, they are all idiots.

Oregon has its sights a bit higher than that. Find me any mid-season article that mentions the Beavers competing for the Pac-10 championship over the last few years.

Oregon State’s success is only by pulling a Bradbury.