Beavers: quit yer bitchin'

by gribbit1 on Jul 30, 2008 7:52 PM PDT Comment 35 comments

I would just like to take a moment to thank Ted Miller for his honest, thoughtful, and most importantly, educated look at the Ducks-Beavers rivalry.

As a Duck, I've never really understood the hatred our Beaver brethren reserve for us. I mean, sure, Oregon is well-promoted, flashy, and image-conscious, but as Beaver fans are quick to point out, the programs are roughly equal in standing over the last couple decades.

I think most Ducks' attitude toward the Beavers is grudging respect, though we still like to call them our "little brothers" just to send them into a tizzy (if you can get a reaction like that out of someone, why not?). You hear a Duck say "I root for the Beavs when they're not playing the Ducks" but you never hear a Beaver say the opposite. I've also never heard a Duck assert that Civil War is "for the right to live in the state" like it's something that has bearing outside football. My most recent favorite is "yeah, but ours is HD." Think about whether you've ever met a fellow Duck who really, really hates the Beavers like they hate us.

The programs are different, sure. Both teams have come up from virtually nothing in the last two decades, but they have done it in entirely different manners. Bellotti has recruited, advertised, and upgraded, and Riley has coached, coached, coached. They have completely different styles, and of course, completely different means. But if the Resers owned, say, Taco Bell, and Phil Knight owned L.A. Gear, I bet we would be in the opposite situations and the Beavs would be more than willing to take the money.

So the Ducks have money. We have glitz, glamour, and national media attention. Guess what? That's how college sports work these days. To get ahead, you have to advertise. Sometimes, you do it with Times Square billboards and getting on the YES network for East Coast exposure-or even by spending on high-liter uniforms and world-class facilities to attract better athletes. Maybe that's not what the residents of Corvallis like, but it has worked. The Ducks have the attention of the nation, whether OSU thinks we deserve it or not.

Meanwhile, the Beavers, though proud of their "workmanlike" tradition, low profile, and ability to do lots with a little are pretty clearly jealous of all those fancy things they supposedly revile. They would be better served just ignoring our pompous, crass, self-indulgent style and focus on their own success.

Of course if they continue to be solid, workmanlike, and "coach up" all of their unheralded recruits, they're always going to be labeled as over-achieving, bland, and not very good in the preseason polls. That's how things work. These days, you're not just recognized for your record, your bowl performance, or your ability to make something out of nothing. You're also recognized by the amount of attention you can command.

That's the fundamental difference between the programs: They are roughly equal in record, but the Ducks get the media's attention with all the crazy stuff we do. So Beavers, quit hating us for grabbing attention when we can. It makes business sense, and that is why even though Mike Belotti is the state's highest-paid employee, you don't pay a dime of it. We Ducks DO pay Mike Riley's though, and every other Beaver Athletic department employee, because the Beavs don't turn a profit.

We like you, we really do. It's just that we have a grasp on the sports-as-business model that prevails today. If you don't like that, take it up with the NCAA, not the Ducks.

Meanwhile, we'll keep hating the Fuskies, because we actually have reasons to do so.

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Well written and fair post, gribbit

I also followed that link, relished in it, and decided to make a fanpost linking to it, effectively forever enshrining it.

Your friendly neighborhood placekicker.

by qrsouther on Jul 30, 2008 8:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah...

I’m not sure I really got to my point , but the bottom line is the beavers always want to say “we do things the right way” and that’s true, sort of. but the Ducks do things the way that WORKS.

I just can’t figure out what all the hate is for, and it’s not a rivalry if only one side says it is.

by gribbit1 on Jul 30, 2008 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh I definitely think it's a rivalry

I just think the Beavers epitomize little brother, you were very right in your passage about Ducks root for Beavers often, but not vice versa. I think the Beavers’ animosity is totally uncalled for. What’s the U of O supposed to do, turn away the money that benefits our athletics? When given aid from a dear sponsor, you take it if you can. Just because they can’t, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t.

Your friendly neighborhood placekicker.

by qrsouther on Jul 30, 2008 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well said

That’s why all the Kilkenny jokes from Beavs and Fuskies don’t get anything out of me. The guy’s a mover. He’s a businessman, and he gets things done. These days, that’s what you need to be competitive.

by travissimmo on Jul 30, 2008 8:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Nicely said

and promoted to the front page

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by Addicted to Quack on Jul 30, 2008 10:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

OK, I'll bite

Well written opinion, I’ll give you that. You, like most Duck fans, sound to be a little too self absorbed to understand our dislike of the Ducks. One of the biggest reasons that we have a healthy dislike for the Ducks/Duckfans is your misplaced sense of superiority. You believe all of the hype that the media feeds into. You believe that preseason garbage that the talking heads have to fill up air time with to get people excited for that opportunity to see their team go out and prove it on the field. And we feel we have proven what we can do on the field and the Ducks have not shown that they can finish a season.

A second reason that the Beavers hate the Ducks is that it gives our teams that edginess that they need to “over-achieve”. Yes, we get frustrated at the lack of respect that is given us. Yes, we feel that if you do things the right way and have success that respect should follow. And, I would even concede that we are jealous of the money and the recruiting that U of O is able to muster. But sometimes we need blogs from “pompous, crass, self indulgent” duck fans to remember what we stand for. I think if you are honest with yourself, under that self-inflated shell, you realize you have some contempt for the Beavs. We have to remind you that if Belotti could coach half as well as he can recruit and fund raise, the Ducks might have had a national title by now.

by GoBeavs on Jul 31, 2008 9:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

you make some good points

Bellotti is a good coach, do I think at times overrated, yes. I believe we should have had a National Championship, but you also have to remember that while we have the money in Oregon, we are nothing compared to schools like Ohio St. or LSU. What I mean by that is we dont have 40,000 fans that will follow us to every game. So the two one loss seasons we had we got hosed by the BCS who picked Nebraska a two loss team. Which that may have been for the better, because Miami was awful tough that year. The other reason we didnt selected for a BCS game in 04, is simply because Clemens got hurt. We derserved to be in one weather we would’ve won or not

by AirForceDuck on Jul 31, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

For both points...

1) You may dislike our sense of superiority, but most Ducks fans think their program as a whole is better than OSU. You may disagree, but that’s the way it is. We lost the Civil War 3/4? Oh well. It’s really just another Pac-10 game to us, and I feel there are good reasons we lost the games.

And also, we don’t have a sense of superiority nationally. Just over OSU. You may hate that, but that won’t be changing until OSU starts competing for the Pac-10 title on a regular basis.

2) As far as overachieving, that’s really cute. 10 years ago, that was Oregon’s thing. I am proud with the way Oregon football conducts itself. I always felt that OSU football under Erickson was dirty, crass, and not the way football should be played. This has changed under Riley, but it’s a recent development.

You can think we’re pompous and self indulgent. Whatever. I could care less. But I pride myself on being not a homer. I’m pretty darn realistic on where Oregon sits. I have more knowledge of my team, and think they’ll do well, but I’m usually pretty realistic about their chance, and keep up with enough national opinion to know that mine usually lines up with real authorities on the sport.

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by jtlight on Jul 31, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Civil War

1) Do the good reasons include OSU being the better team over the last 4 seasons? Injuries are part of the game, so I’m sure you are not thinking that. Everybody overlooks the fact that we were missing Yvenson because of how well we ran the ball.

2) Are those the same “real authorities” that continue to pick OSU at the bottom half of the Pac-10? That could be the reason we have a bit of a chip on our shoulders.

And while I don’t argue that Erickson’s Beavers were not up to the personal standards that OSU prides ourselves on, U of O isn’t a bunch of choir boys. It wouldn’t be a bad idea for Belotti to institute a weekly “whiz party” to see how many guys are enjoying the “U of O Experience” a little too much.

by GoBeavs on Jul 31, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

1) Yes, I mentioned the Civil War losses. Congratulations. I wasn’t even thinking about injuries. Though any sane analyst has recognized the Oregon’s last year were much worse than OSUs. As far as OSU being the “better team,” I would be interested to see what metrics you use to do more than claim that, and how you define success. Over the last few years, both teams have had their successes, and been fairly even. No duck fan is disputing that. Despite the failures of last season, I would say that 2005 and 2007 for Oregon were much more exciting and successful than any OSU season than 2000.

2) No, I’m more talking about the great writers around the internet. SMQ, Phil Steele, etc. I put little stock in “media” polls.

And as far as drug references. You’re right. OSU is pristine. Geez, how much more of a homer can you get. I also think it’s pretty low to accuse a bunch of kids of a lifestyle that may or may not be true, merely because of your football allegiance. Seriously, grow up.

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by jtlight on Jul 31, 2008 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

... Grow up?

I see. It is ok for a Duck fan to talk about your off-field issues – What did Garret Do? – but how dare a Beaver fan. Must be a homer. I’m not only looking at the current situations and the “kids” as you call them. We have “kids” the same age over in Afganistan and Iraq giving their lives. Don’t tell me that an 18 year old doesn’t have the ability to make right choices. And don’t tell me that it is not part of a college football program’s job to help these men. The idea that UofO’s football program has struggled with drugs (specifically weed) is not new. I don’t think OSU is perfect but if we were being characterized by having these problems, I don’t think we would put up with it.

by GoBeavs on Jul 31, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Give it up.

This is not about the Middle East. This is about the expression of hate from one group of people to another over something as trivial as how a university promotes its athletics program.

I get plenty involved during games. I’m a bundle of nerves every Fall Saturday that my beloved Ducks play. It’s okay to have passion for your team, but having a passionate HATE for another team because it advertises itself and lives in the same state as you is borderline retarded.

Our “rivalry” is geographically convenient, nothing more. We play each other last each season, which often has bowl implications, so that adds to the emotion. But the fact remains that as a Duck, I cheer for my team, not AGAINST THE OTHER TEAM.

Unless the other team is UW, but again, we have real, tangible reasons for that.

by gribbit1 on Jul 31, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can we all just hold hands

Get down off your soapbox Obama. I’m right with KTClovestheducks in his response below. I love that the Ducks are in this state, I love the rivalry. I have more Duck fan friends than Beaver fans. You need to step back and chill a bit. Having a passionate HATE for the ducks isn’t what many, if any, Beaver faithful have. I haven’t seen any car bombings or shootings. This is all part of the fun of sports. Even jealousy can be healthy if it makes you strive to get better.

To say that you don’t cheer AGAINST THE OTHER TEAM is laughable. I guess I’m the only one that laughs every time a Big 10/SEC/Big 12 team loses and makes the PAC look better. Liberal drivel.

by GoBeavs on Jul 31, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

How does this have anything to do with politics?

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by jtlight on Jul 31, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

What the hell are you rambling about now?

I smell a warning.

Your friendly neighborhood placekicker.

by qrsouther on Jul 31, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it was called for

People gotta think before they throw around off the wall analogies like that.

Your friendly neighborhood placekicker.

by qrsouther on Jul 31, 2008 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Soapbox? Obama? WTF?

See, I figured discussion of this post would not devolve into “You Ducks just spout liberal nonense!” Is that why you hate us? It’s a likely bet UO has more Republican/conservative boosters than OSU does these days.

Read back up and look at who introduced the Middle East/soldier topic. As I said, this conversation has nothing to do with it. It’s a terrible analogy.

Can you answer the fundamental question of the post calmly and maturely? Why do you hate the Ducks so much? I haven’t found a reason, but maybe you have one.

And why is it laughable to not cheer against the Beavers? The only time I want them to lose is Civil War, because they have to for my team to win. That makes perfect sense to me. In my experience, the beaver fans take every bit as much joy in seeing the Ducks lose as seeing their team win. See the story by DavisDuck below. In my experience, this disparity exists. Are you saying it does not?

by gribbit1 on Jul 31, 2008 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, Grow up. Your line of argument is completely asinine.

It’s fine to talk about off field issues, but not disparaging an entire group of young men without any backing whatsoever. I referred to a specific incident. You, did not. Instead, you decided to slander a football program with no backing. I did not do that to OSU.

The idea that the U of O football program struggling with weed? Really? Two players in the past 10 years? That’s struggling with weed? While the entire university may, I would say this is pretty common at just about any college in the country. To think that marijuana use isn’t rampant in college in general is just plain ignorant. And I could care less if football players or college students have a good time, as long as it doesn’t affect their growth in school, or on the football field. I am much more concerned about assault, etc. than I am about what a player does in his free time.

As for Garrett, go read our Garrett conversation on that. We all think it;s the job of the University to help kids grow, and while no program is perfect, I think that Mike Bellotti does a pretty good job running a tight ship, while at the same time giving kids chances to succeed on the field and in life.

So please, open your eyes a bit, to the realities of the world, and don’t put words in my mouth.

Again, no program is perfect, but it’s not like OSU holds any moral high ground in this area AT ALL. To think otherwise is completely asinine.

Oh, and OSU is ahead of Oregon in the Fulmer Cup right now. So there’s that too.

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by jtlight on Jul 31, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

really?

Yes we do have 18 year olds in Iraq. And yes they are kids, for you to say there not is ignorance, plain and simple. I was one of them and at the time I was firing a weapon, and fighting outside the wire running convoys, I couldnt even keep my checkbook straight. Now four years later and a second deployment to Iraq, one to afghanistan, and another to Kuwait, I still consider myself a kid, Im only 22 and I still have alot of growing up to do.

People like you are exactly the people I cant stand, civilians who are so “understanding” of the troops. Sounds like you dont know shit buddy, because if you did you wouldn’t dare use global conflict to prove a point when having a debate about football.

So what you need to do go sit your fat lazy ass on your stained love seat in your shanty home in Corvallis, pop open your 99 cent Icehouse and eat your dollar double cheeseburgers till you choke, but leave the troops out of this. Your not impressing anyone by pulling the “support our troops” ,and use them as an irrelvent example, card

by AirForceDuck on Jul 31, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for your service

My point was, and I still stand behind it, that for some reason people are fine with 18 year olds making crappy decisions because they are young. I believe that is bogus. I can’t speak to your maturity at 18, but I know I knew it was illegal and stupid for me to: drink and drive or smoke a joint or …. I think it is quite reasonable to bring up the fact that we are fine with an 18 year old being able to join the military but not being responsible enough to stay off weed when you are getting a free education.

Again, I appreciate your service to this country. My comparison of the 18 year olds serving in our military to college football players end at their age and their equal responsibility to make decisions about what is right and what is wrong.

by GoBeavs on Jul 31, 2008 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

for the four and half years Ive been in Ive seen numerous people make horrible decesions as far drink and drive, smoke weed, do cocaine, assault, rape, etc.

One thing you have to remember is that the military is a direct reflection of civilian society. You still have your people that are gonna make bad decisions. Shit I did I have been arrested on a couple occasions, little things like fights and underage drinking, but I was 18/19 years old. The important thing is that you learn from your mistake and you move on. These college kids are just out of the nest alot like military kids, many hundreds of miles away from home. You get lonely and look to be accepted fast and you dont always get in the right group.

I dont even remember now what my point was, but anyway sorry for blowing up on you it was uncalled for.

by AirForceDuck on Jul 31, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Beaver Fan here

I think what makes it a great rivalry is that Oregon and Oregon State are practically pro teams in Oregon. With only one real pro team in the Blazers, UofO and OSU are the next best thing.

Families in Oregon often have both Beavers and Ducks and enjoy their team besting their siblings. Work spaces are often shared by Ducks and Beavers and that close proximity to each other breeds rivalries.

As for Beavers never rooting for Ducks, i don’t think that is quite true. Similar to the state of Oregon rooting for the Beavers in the CWS, i think a lot of Oregonians also root for the Ducks in march madness.

Football definitely has the biggest rivalry because the teams are usually matched in skill and fighting to beat each other in the Pac 10 rankings.

Woof

by Charles Barkley McLovin on Jul 31, 2008 11:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I think that there is truth in the sports outside of football

There are some stupid Duck fans that wouldn’t cheer for anything OSU, but I’m happy for them in baseball. OSU basketball is enough to drive anyone to another team. ;)

However, when it comes to football….the insanity comes.

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by jtlight on Jul 31, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Charles

I agree with that. But I’ve honestly never known a Beaver (and I have more Beaver friends than I do Duck friends these days) to root for the Ducks football team. Obviously there are a few, but not among and of the Beavs I’ve ever talked to. I’ve always thought it was kind of sad.

by gribbit1 on Jul 31, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Betrayed by Beavers

I have an anecdote that proves your point, gribbit.

I live in Chicago. Last fall, I scored a set of tickets to the Oregon-Michigan game in Ann Arbor. I invited my brother and another friend to come out from Portland, even though they are both Beavers. They talked me into making the trip to Cincinnati for the Thursday night OSU-UC game, two days before the Ducks game. So we made it a midwest football road trip, Chicago to Cincinnati to Ann Arbor.

When we got to Cincinnati, my brother said “Hey, I brought an extra OSU shirt that you can wear to the game.” Why not, I thought, as I slipped into the black-and-orange garment. Well, I didn’t bring the Beavers much luck as they got thrashed 30-3.

Fast forward to Saturday in Ann Arbor, I said to my brother and friend “OK, payback time, here are UO shirts for you guys to wear to the game.” Their reply was “No thanks, we already have our gameday gear”—and they proceeded to pull out brand new Michigan shirts and hats from their suitcases. They proudly rocked their maize-and-blue to the Big House and openly rooted for the Wolverines. Fortunately their Beaver luck carried over and we all know what happened on that glorious September afternoon.

I knew the Beavers hated the Ducks, but I was amazed that my companions would not even root for Oregon after I arranged for the entire trip, and after I wore black-and-orange at their request.

Photos of that trip here:
http://mcwhitebread.blogspot.com/2007/09/midwest-football-tour.html

by DavisDuck on Jul 31, 2008 11:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Petty, pissy little babies

You sum up the Beaver fans so well. Thanks for the story!

Can’t wait for Witts!

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by jtlight on Jul 31, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sheesh, what ungrateful jerks.

But now you know for a fact that OSU sucks so bad that they’re contagious.

by grimc on Jul 31, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rodents or Fuskies

The saying still stands “who do the Ducks cheer for? whoever is playing Washington”. For some reason the idea of a rivalry between the Fuskies and Oregon being larger than the Civil War stops those rodents dead in their tracks. They feel compelled to act like The Stoops brothers and cry all over the place. I for one hate them both, but have a few points to make…

(1) before the Pac-10 revised the schedule to play everyone…in 2001 Washington and Oregon didn’t play. both sides were so upset with this that they scheduled them the following year and kicked Cal to the curb.
(2) record against the beavers is 56-46-10 (we know how this series has gone lately)
(3) record against the huskies is 37-58-5 (with the Ducks winning the last 4 years)

now for those that want to refer to us as Whoregon fans, you have no clue what you are talking about.

to the rodents, you can enjoy those orange sports bras you call football jerseys. you have a couple seasons under a known recruiting violator like Dennis Erickson where you get a bunch of JC thugs and you think that you are better than everyone else. that is not how you recruit – I compare that to the Marlins in baseball who bought their world series through free agency and then dropped the payroll the following year through a firesale. get over yourselves. you are back to your 8 win seasons, which are good in college football. much rather be there than what you all did in basketball this last season.

to the fuskies, stop taking money from Gates and then we can talk. at least our doner is a part of our alumni. oh and enjoy watching the largest image of Kenny Wheaton’s gonna score and “the most improbable finish to a football game”.

by RubberDucky on Jul 31, 2008 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

At least the Fuskies have been fairly docile.

I’m getting ever-so-tired of these Beaver trolls.

What you need to know, is that we see the Civil War as a second-tier rivalry, only playing second fiddle to the Fuskies… sorry?

Your friendly neighborhood placekicker.

by qrsouther on Jul 31, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually one of the guys in my avatar picture is a Beaver

and there’s a Duck sticker on his t-shirt because he graciously allowed the head of the NYC Duck alumni club to stick it on there during the Oregon vs Michigan game. He came to watch the game to see a Oregon team beat up on those blasted Wolverines and always roots for Oregon unless they’re playing Oregon State. And not only did he go to Oregon State he was born and raised in Corvallis and his dad is still a professor at OSU. He is a good friend and he still can’t talk this Duck into rooting for Oregon State when they’re not playing Oregon. You can say the exception proves the rule but I think there is a fair amount of animosity on both sides of this rivalry. At the end of the day though it is simply a football rivalry and to actually, sincerely hate the Beavers and Oregon State is a petty waste of time. I root against Oregon State but I don’t have any personal animosity towards the team or its fans. Like I said in the comments on Dave’s last post, I am very grateful we have a healthy in state rivalry going in Oregon.

GO DUCKS!

by KTClovestheducks on Jul 31, 2008 12:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I can't stand Beaver Fans/Alumni

so many of my friends are beavers, i can’t believe it. Constant verbal diarrea, the whole “We’re better than you, even though we never when anything, and you guys suck even more”. But nothing gets them more angry, and I mean absolutely pissed, when you tell them they have little brother syndrome, that they better go and buy some burritos so they can support their team, or, for that matter, that they better go round up the sheep before their linebackers get off of practice.

by JerkStore on Jul 31, 2008 2:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Wrong

Your statement that Taxpayers pay Riley’s salary is untrue.

OSU football pays for itself and for most of the Athletic Department Budget. The AD has borrowed a minimal amount from the general fund, but only because every other sport, including men’s basketball and baseball, operates in the red.

by zapata2 on Jul 31, 2008 3:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I betrayed my family by becoming a duck and I'm proud

I am in fact, one of those freakishly rare Duck fans that refuses to cheer for the beavers. Not in baseball, not in football, nothing. I don’t hate them for any sort of sports statistics, this is much more personal. Just for the mere fact that (and I’m 100% positive every duck has heard this at least five times) every time I meet someone from OSU and they ask me what school I’m from, when I say the magic words (UO), I always get an angry, overly hostile “FUCK YOU!” I am always amazed at how they doggedly they will not get off their small, angry orange and black soapbox and will use any and no reason to give you shit about being a Duck. It’s like being racist, basically. Which just goes to show you that they live up to the stereotype they have earned the good ole’ fashioned hard way by being small-minded, angry, po-dunk idiots.

by brooklynduck07 on Jul 31, 2008 5:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Well...

At least you’re honest about your Beaver “racism.”

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by jtlight on Jul 31, 2008 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Quit with all this stuff

This is totally ridiculous, can’t we all just get along. Both schools represent this great state and both should be cheered by all Oregonians….HAHAHAHA just kidding. The Ducks are far superior to the beavers. I hate the beavers and want them to lose every game they play. However, the Civil War is no longer a rivalry as one team is on the rise and preparing for bigger and better things while the other is happy being mediocre as long as they make a bowl (which they will not do this year). While Oregon is striving every year to play AND beat teams like Michigan, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Georgia, and others and we are striving to dethrone the Trojans, the beavs just wanna get to 6 wins and play in a crappy bowl game. Oregon gets hame-and-home games with these teams while the beavers have to spend months trying to figure out how they’re going to play a lone road game at Penn St. with 0% chance of having a return game in corvallis. Oregon makes money, osu loses money. Oregon leads the nation with filling 109% of the capacity of their stadium on average, while the beavs cannot sellout their 20% smaller stadium unless a “rival” from the same state buys up a lot of the tickets. Oregon plays and beats top-notch opponents, the beavs are just happy to play a top team on the road. Oregon innovates while the beavs imitate.

Robbie G. "The Beavers Suck"

by RobbieG on Jul 31, 2008 6:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs