Pac-10 Roundtable: TwistNHook is funnier than us edition
California Golden Blogs is hosting the roundtable this week. Check it out, because they'll give you the comic relief that we lack. They've got questions and, unlike Radio Shack, we've got answers instead of blank stares*. Here goes:
1. Washington showed moxie and elbow grease in nearing knocking off Yahoo! (oh wait is that BYU, sorry the hat confused me). Also, spunk. They showed spunk. Locker finally showed some promise as both a running QB AND a throwing QB. Unfortunately, the odd ending to the game probably left a bitter taste in many Husky mouths. But should Husky fans see this game as the beginning of something big or just another emotionally brutal loss en route to Willingham's departure? And why does BYU's hat look like its from Yahoo!?
Washington is going to have a couple of games like this on the season. Jake Locker will bust loose, and the Huskies will make a game of a contest they shouldn’t be in (see the Oregon game last season). But, having seen the Huskies live this year, I can tell you it’s a fluke. This team still has no talent at the skill positions. No talent in the secondary. And, most importantly, no talent on either line (see pathetic “blocking” job on the missed field goal). Locker will still be running for his life against most teams, and a forty point loss to Oklahoma will have the hounds outside Willingham’s door again. This may have taken the heat off of him for a week, but he will be canned at the end of the season. There is just no talent on this team.
2. September is barely a week old, yet we've already seen 4 Pac-10 conference games. Stanford already has both a win and a loss in the conference. UW lost a rivalry game to Oregon before September even started. Early conference games are not exactly new, but I don't recall there ever being so many of them this early.
Cal Coach Jeff Tedford has gone on record as saying he's not a big fan of early conference games. "You like to play your non-conference games first and then get to conference play," Tedford said. "You like to be able to figure out who's exactly going to play for you in special teams, and get some game experience for guys before you have to get into conference play. That's a challenge this week to cut down to 64 for the road. You're still evaluating some situations on special teams and so on and so forth." It's worth noting that of the 4 conference games so far, only Tedford's Bears have managed to win a road game.
Are these early conference matchups good for the teams involved, or do they merely present an unnecessary challenge for teams that need their non-conference games to prepare for the rigors of conference play? Are such games, and any exposure they might garner, good for the conference as a whole? Or does it not matter when you play someone, as long as the matchups between the top teams are saved for later in the season?
Well, playing Washington is almost like playing a 1-AA cupcake, so that didn’t really bother me :<). In all seriousness, I hate conference games early in the year. I’d like to see at least two non-conference games before the first conference game, but there is absolutely no excuse for a conference game to be the very first game of the season. Given what’s at stake in a conference game, you need to be able to have seen your backups and young players in action to tell who will fill in as backups at those positions, etc. Its also made even more difficult for road teams in conference games as the conference limits the number of players you can bring on a conference road trip. So I think it affect the team in a negative fashion (unless, of course, you’re playing a Washington school).
Not to mention, from a fan standpoint, losing a conference game to start the season just takes all of the wind out of the sails. Ask Beaver fans—excitement for the season is non-existent.
3. The "second tier" teams (Oregon, ASU, & Cal) have all looked strong so far. Which team from this group will turn out to be the strongest, and do any of them have a chance of challenging USC for the conference title? Arizona has also looked good (against weak competition) and UCLA (somehow) took out big, bad Tennessee; will either of these teams crack the top 4 in the conference?
First off, I don’t buy Arizona for a minute. They still have Mike Stoops at head coach. And Idaho and Toledo are hardly a measure of anything. I also need to see a bit more to believe in UCLA, but they have a credible coach so I’m more likely to give them the benefit of the doubt (though their schedule still makes 6-6 likely). ASU, Cal, and Oregon will finish 2-3-4 in some fashion. Keep in mind, however, that Cal beating a very average Michigan State team is the best win for anybody in that bunch. I believe that these are good teams, but we’ll see a lot more this weekend. Maryland and Purdue aren’t great teams, but they’re similar to middle of the road Pac-10 teams. If Oregon can Cal beat them solidly, we can assume they’re pretty good. We’ll know a lot more about ASU if they play Georgia tough. I think Oregon is the best of these teams, but their schedule may prevent them from challenging for the conference crown
4. Since the dawn of time itself, Washington State has been regarded as one of the greatest, if not THE greatest college football program. Now headed by universally hailed genius Paul Wulff and rocket armed uber-stud QB Unclear At This Time, Washington State (or Wazzu as it is sometimes called by the plebes) contends year in and year out for the brass ring (i.e. Finally, feel free to answer with "yes," "Hell Yes," or the always popular "OH HELL YES!"
crystal football).
Yet, Cal was recently able to defeat this troupe of pigskin superstars by the rather unbelievable score of A Lot to A Little. Does this recent gridiron mauling mean that Cal is nigh unstoppable and en route to not only this year's National Championship, but also an almost certain thousand years of never before seen dominance.
5. As much as we all hate each other, I think the one thing we can agree on is how much we hate the SEC. I think everyone hates the SEC. So what are your thoughts on the Teflon reputation that the SEC has for its losses and why the losses by Tennessee to UCLA and Cal get written off?
I’ll give the SEC credit. They’ve got some really good teams. But their attitude of “we play an SEC schedule, so we can have creampuffs OOC” is a joke. Tennessee’s gotten exposed simply because they’ve been willing to put themselves out there. Credit to Tennessee, who’s played UCLA and Cal recently, and will be playing Oregon in a few years. Georgia’s starting to play some good games as well. But Florida hasn’t left the state of Florida OOC since 1990, LSU’s annual road game is at Tulane (though they did play Arizona a few years back, and will be visiting UW next year. Way to schedule the toughies, LSU). Mostly, they play 1-AA cupcakes, or ACC teams where they don’t have to leave the south. Its getting better, but still not good enough.
As one of our readers pointed out the other day, the fact is that the Pac-10 is 10-6 this decade against the SEC. And the SEC is 1-6 at Pac-10 stadiums.
The SEC is good. The SEC may even be the best. But their attitude that the SEC is the god-given king of conferences is dead wrong. The difference between the Pac-10 and the SEC is small, if it exists at all. Until the SEC puts up by not getting waxed every time they step foot in a Pac-10 stadium, they can leave their tired arguments at the door.
* Dave's attempts at poor humor will remain infrequent, and should be soundly booed.
GO DUCKS!!!
--Dave (addictedtoquack@gmail.com)
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there was nothing fashionable about this lateness, but good work!
It’s times like this I wish they’d never discovered CougCenterium.
It’s almost as if they tucked their JERSEY into their SHORTS?!?!?
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Because talking about it in the comments of multiple threads on CGB wasn’t enough. I love our road show.
It’s times like this I wish they’d never discovered CougCenterium.
Quick! To BruinsNation!
Wait, yknow what. Let’s just steer clear of there.
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You pick the blog, I’ll meet you and out worthlessness you there.
It’s times like this I wish they’d never discovered CougCenterium.
CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com?
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I’ll follow you to the gates of that one, but I won’t go in.
It’s times like this I wish they’d never discovered CougCenterium.
I’m insecure about the existence of TwistNHook.
Go Bears!
by RollOnYouBears667 on Sep 11, 2008 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
This thread is making me insecure. So, this is what emotion feels like?
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Another point on the SEC...
Here’s the latest SEC Power Poll..
There 6th team is Vandy and then Ole Miss? Really?
While they have some good upper half teams this year, the bottom half has taken a huge nosedive this year.
The Pac-10 has 4 Top 20 teams, and possibly a top 25 team in Arizona or UCLA. We will see.
But the Pac-10 will beat itself up with more conference games (and less teams, thus less in the Top 25), and will get screwed for that in the end.
--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Well, since a poll on my site was used
Let me just respond.
First of all, I’d take a head-to-head matchup of the top 10 SEC teams against the Pac-10 any day of the week. Heck, I’m not even sure we wouldn’t even have a better record if the bottom 10 SEC teams played the Pac-10.
As far as leagues being top heavy … ahem … the Pac-10 is hardly one to talk.
Be careful. While I’ve said that there was no excuse for South Carolina to crap away the game against Vandy, I think the Dores might be a legitimate bowl team this year. ::shudder::
And be careful about the top 20 thing. You’re right to an extent. Pac-10 has four top 20 teams in the BlogPoll. The SEC has five. (And that’s the most favorable of the three major polls — AP and USA Today have three Pac-10 teams in the top 20.) This is before all that brutal in-conference games you guys play.
I think the Pac-10 is good, too, though a step down from last year. And I’m not sure that the Big XII isn’t the best conference in the land this year. But to argue that the SEC is down because some nontraditional powers are in the top two-thirds of teh conference is a bit ridiculous. Teams without great names can have good teams too.
For the record
I am a supporter of stronger OOC scheduling in the SEC. While S.C. plays Clemson, Georgia plays Georgia Tech and Florida plays FSU — none of which are historically gimme games, though the ACC is currently in a down period — most teams’ OOC schedules are far too weak. But as Kyle points out below, we’re also improving. Not only have Georgia and Tennessee decided to take on Pac-10 teams this year, but Arkansas scheduled a game against Texas and Auburn is set to play West Virginia. (That game looked a lot better a week ago, didn’t it?) LSU played (and crushed) Virginia Tech last year and Auburn played (and lost to) South Florida, in addition to the Cal-Tennessee match-up.
Then we have Kentucky, whose only BCS-league foe before the end of September this year is Louisville. So, yeah, we have work to do.
I don't disagree...
First, thanks for stopping by!
And you are right…the Pac-10 is incredibly top heavy, with USC and everyone else, and I do think the Pac-10 is down this year. I also think the SEC is down this year as well. The Big 12 may prove to be the best, though Kansas and Texas Tech will need to step it up soon.
My main belief on this matter is that it’s hard to compare the Pac-10 and other conferences for 2 reasons:
1) They play the hardest non-conference slate around.
2) They each play 9 conference games, a true round robin.
With these factors combined, many Pac-10 teams will end up with more losses than other teams. There is a higher probability of loss OOC, and the conference will end up with more overall losses with the increase of conference games. On top of this, the top 10 of both conference are not comparable due to the 2 extra teams in the SEC. I’m not saying that this makes the Pac-10 better, just that it brings the conferences closer together than by usually meets the eye.
Also, to your final point… I don’t think that the SEC is down because Vandy beat SC. They may be a good team, though I’m not convinced of that at all. But with them and Ole Miss holding down the middle of the conference, it may be an indicator of a down year. How would they fare in the Pac-10, who knows?
I’m just glad more schools are scheduling better inter-regional games. The more the better, and I"m looking forward to a road trip to Athens in 2016.
--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Don't encourage him
The best way to stop Twist is to ignore him – just like the ADD kid in 2nd grade who would pour the finger paint all over his head then stand on his desk and pretend he was a chicken.
Seriously, don’t encourage him.
Go Bears!
So, I’m not a chicken, then?
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He's about as easy to ignore as the ice cream truck.
ROCKY ROAD!
ROCKY ROAD!
ROCKY ROAD!
Go Duckies!
Dave, you make some excellent points . . .
. . . in your response to the fifth question. The FanPost to which you linked was posted over at another Pac-10 SB Nation blog, and I left a comment in response.
The only part of your response with which I would take issue is the “waxed” part of it. While there certainly have been some blowouts, they have either been reciprocal (Cal and Tennessee each trounced the other at home and got trounced on the road) or administered by Southern California (which clearly has been the dominant program in the sport in the 21st century). Many of the meetings have been close contests (Auburn-U.S.C. 2002, L.S.U.-Oregon State 2004, Tennessee-U.C.L.A. 2008).
Otherwise, you’re spot on in your critique. I believe the S.E.C. is the toughest conference, top to bottom, but I freely admit to being a regional homer and the evidence from the FanPost to which you linked is undeniable, even if some (but by no means all) of the numbers are a little skewed by mismatches in both directions (U.S.C. v. a bad Arkansas team, L.S.U. v. a bad Arizona team).
As an S.E.C. fan, I sometimes have to remind my fellow fans that the S.E.C., like Harvard and the Beatles, can be at once the best and the most overrated in its field. Yeah, Harvard’s a great university, but it’s not that much better than Yale. Yeah, the Beatles are a great band, but they’re not that much better than the Stones. Yeah, the S.E.C. is a great conference, but it’s not that much better than the Pac-10.
Anyone who ignores the math you quoted and persists in regurgitating by rote “S.E.C. speed/Pac-10 is a finesse league/Pac-10 doesn’t play defense” canards is a yahoo, but, trust me, they’re an unfortunately vocal minority. Those Big Ten guys rub us the wrong way, but most of us are good with most of y’all. When even the gang at Berkeley is kicking hippies out of trees so they can raze a grove to build football facilities, we clearly have kindred spirits in our West Coast brethren.
The two leagues even have comparable instances of upstart bottom-dwellers. Stanford knocked off U.S.C. last year and Oregon State this year; Vanderbilt knocked off Tennessee in 2005, Georgia in 2006, and South Carolina in each of the last two seasons. In neither conference is a gimme truly a gimme; there are no Baylors, Dukes, or Temples in the S.E.C. or the Pac-10.
Finally, you’re dead-on right about non-conference scheduling. To some extent, there are legitimate differences between the two leagues due to geography. Outside of Boise State, Brigham Young, Fresno State, and Utah, there are no consistently good out-of-conference teams in close proximity to Pac-10 country, but the S.E.C. states also are home to Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami (Florida), and South Florida, all of which have appeared on S.E.C. schedules of late.
However, there are way too many Division I-AA opponents appearing on S.E.C. schedules. The Pac-10’s aggressive scheduling is something more S.E.C. teams ought to emulate. As a Georgia fan who is familiar with my alma mater‘s history, I am deeply disturbed by the way in which the Bulldogs’ 50-year tradition of national scheduling between 1916 and 1965 (a period during which Herman Stegeman, George Woodruff, Harry Mehre, and Wally Butts put Georgia football on the national map by going on the road to play teams in the Northeast, Southwest, Midwest, and West) was squandered during Vince Dooley’s tenure as Georgia’s head coach (1964-1988) and athletics director (1979-2004).
Fortunately, Georgia’s current A.D., Damon Evans, has revived that dormant tradition. The ’Dawgs face Arizona State at Tempe this season, open against Oklahoma State in Stillwater next year, have upcoming road trips to Boulder and Eugene, and tried to schedule series which would have seen the Red and Black playing in Ann Arbor, Corvallis, and South Bend.
The excitement in the Peach State over the upcoming game with the Sun Devils, like the excitement in Westwood over the Bruins’ Labor Day night matchup with the Volunteers, attests to the interest both leagues’ fan bases have in squaring off with one another in games which are good for the fans, for football, and for both conferences. Here’s to more of that in the future.
Nice job on your responses, Dave. I hope partisans of both leagues are able to work towards greater mutual understanding, so that future roundtable questions need not refer to how much fans of one conference “hate” the other.
Go 'Dawgs!
This is way too long to read, can I get a bullet point summary?
It’s times like this I wish they’d never discovered CougCenterium.
WHERE’S THE CHART? I NEED THE CHART? SOMEBODY (who isn’t bitter) GET ME THAT CHART?
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Fuck. Ok, can a bitter person please get the chart for me.
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from now on, I need to follow the biggest rule
DON’t FEED THE BEARS!
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by David Piper on Sep 11, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
OH
wait for it
wait for it
SNAP!
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T Kyle, I’m even too hip for TwistNHook.
It’s times like this I wish they’d never discovered CougCenterium.
Good
- I’m glad it’s not just me.
- Next time, I’ll be more brief.
- Also, I’ll use bullet points.
- And perhaps charts.
Go 'Dawgs!
Great Post (T) Kyle
It’s always great to hear from our SEC brethren, and one of the thigns I love about SBNation, is that it’s exposing great viewpoints from around the nation, and that we as Pac-10 fans are exposed to those SEC fans that aren’t just m idiots, and I hope that you all feel you are exposed to those Pac-10 fans that aren’t idiots.
Well, except Twist and Maharg. Those guys are idiots.
The SEC is a great conference. The Pac-10 is also a great conference. In my opinion (which I mentioned above in response to cocknfire), its tough to compare them.
I am really excited about teams like Georgia scheduling better non-conference, and I am totally excited for a road trip to Athens in 2016. Good luck this season!
--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
If your goal when you woke up this morning was to make The Maharg cry, well, congratulations. Mission accomplished!
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I think his daily goal is just to make somebody cry
So look on the bright side, Jared wont have to hold a Snickers bar just out of reach of a fat kid
Well, you’re wrong about one thing: the Beatles ARE way better than the Stones
by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 12, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't we play a home and home with Georgia after Tennessee?
Thought I heard a deal was worked out a couple years ago.
yep
home and homes with both. Kansas State and Colorado also coming up the next few years. All future schedules are on the left sidebar.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
2014 and 2015, I believe.
One of the guys in my office who’s a Duck grad is already giving me grief over this game. The game is 6 years away.
You guys could be in aqua and pink uniforms by then. I mean, really.
maybe we'll rock the all pinks
you know you don’t want none of that.
--Dave
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by David Piper on Sep 13, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions

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