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Trying to defend the coaches (at least somewhat)

Keep in mind, I did not see this game.  My knowledge of what happened is based on text message updates and hearing a lot of the postgame show on my way home from L&C.  But there are a few things I want to talk about:

  • Who the hell even has a 5th string QB?  Yet, for the second year in a row, we're already relegated to fifth string status.  How do you plan for that.  We are so far behind in quarterback development that its not even fair.  Costa goes down a week before the season starts, and all the work that you put with him is down the drain.  Then Roper gets hurt and you're left with no experience whatsoever.  Whether Masoli, Thomas, or Harper, you're talking about guys who know just a fraction of the offense.  That's not on the coaches.  These guys aren't sniffing the field under any other situation.  When looking at the QB performance of these guys, you have to keep in mind that they've hardly been here and have had no development at all.  Its not a good situation.
  • Many are wondering why we ran the ball eleventy jillion times in a row with Harper, instead of bringing Thomas in or, why did we try to redshirt Thomas instead of Harper in the first place?  I don't blame Bellotti for that decision.  Remember, Harper was supposed to be the fourth string quarterback.  There was never the thought that he would have to be in with the game on the line.  They didn't redshirt him because he was going to be used as a change of pace only (and he runs better than Thomas does).  Nobody thought that every other quarterback would get hurt.  The fact that he's less qualified to throw the ball than any given member of the softball team shouldn't have been relevant this year.
  • As for why MB didn't put Thomas in sooner?  I can tell you right now, those are difficult decisions to make.  I often struggle with these types of questions.  When do you pull your best players who aren't playing well?  Do I put on the full court press even though it sucks in practice?  The obviously aren't the exact decision that Bellotti was faced with, but every decision has significant drawbacks or potential benefits.  If I take out the best player when he's struggling, maybe he loses confidence and continues to play poorly.  Maybe his backup is worse.  Of maybe the backup plays well and helps us win.  If I put on the press, maybe we go from a 10 point deficit to being blown out.  Or maybe we come back.  And, those decisions are so hard to make, that sometimes you realize in hindsight that you make them too late.
  •      I can tell you right now that it was a difficult decision to put Thomas in,     and Bellotti had to talk himself into doing it.  He had to weigh the potential benefits of bringing Thomas into the game vs. the drawback of losing him for a year by losing his redshirt.  That's a big decision to make.  And I guarantee you he though about blowing Dennis Dixon's redshirt, and that Dixon would be a senior right now had that not happened.  He didn't want to do this, but as Harper proved to be completely ineffective, he was left with little choice.  Sure, had he pulled the trigger a bit earlier, maybe Thomas wins the game.  But that is such a difficult decision to make
    Now, with that said, there is no defending the defense.  We lost because the defense was putrid.  Even with no Walter Thurmond, there is no excuse for that performance.  Learn how to defend a play aciton pass.  That is my blame for the game.
    Where do we go from here?  Its hard to say that Thomas should be the starter--it was one good quarter.  But he's clearly better than Harper at this point.  Rght now, a healthy Roper is our best option, but Thomas is our QB of the future.  Its also clear that we can't be a really good team until we can keep a QB healthy.  The injuries are a fluke, and the laws of probability say that they have to stop soon, but they need to hurry up.  But no matter who our QB is next week, WSU sucks, and we will win.
    GO DUCKS!!!

 

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Thank you Dave...

One loss and everyone loses all sense of reason. Gotta blame someone I guess.

As far as Aliotti goes…it was a mediocre at best gameplan. But if you look at what happened, that only cost us points early. The changes later in the game weren’t executed for crap. The missed play actions, the poor man switches, etc. are what really hurt. The linebacker play was incredibly poor early and late and the zone switches were almost non-existent. BSU exploited that perfectly, and played an incredible game.

They knew what to exploit, and they did a perfect job at it.

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by jtlight on Sep 22, 2008 8:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Redshirt and Thomas

I agree that the decision to pull Thomas out of a redshirt year is a huge decision (and was not taken lightly). In fact, when Thomas came in, I was absolutely against it as I figured the game was already over and his impact would be minimal. But, to see the offense finally wake up after two dreadful quarters was pretty exhilarating. I am firmly in the camp with the other posters who have stated that the QB job should come down to Masoli and Thomas. Harper just does not have the tools to be the primary QB this season.

by ntrebon on Sep 22, 2008 8:27 AM PDT reply actions  

re:Harper

Yup. He wasn’t ready to be the full-time QB. He’s a great change of pace, a la Tebow Freshman year. But he doesn’t have the poise, skill necessary to run a passing game.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Sep 22, 2008 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

"But no matter who our QB is next week, WSU sucks, and we will win."

Flash back to 2007 and the thought in my head was:

“But no matter who our QB is next week, UCLA sucks, and we will win.”

Then came the ugliest game in recent memory.

"Droppin' knowledge like J-Will drops first downs" Dave - Addicted to Quack

by MarineCorpsDuck on Sep 22, 2008 8:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Wait...

We played UCLA last year?
I have a huge memory block from last year.

Go Duckies!

by JShufelt on Sep 22, 2008 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wazzu

I dont think UCLA was as bad as this WSU team. I also dont think Roper should be given a chance until after the USC, just as jtlight said in a post on another thread. I am not a Roper fan in by any means, he is a good guy and an average QB, but I think that Oregon needs to have a dual threat guy (especially someone whose two threats are throwing deep and running very fast not throwing interceptions and getting sacked). I think you hit the nail on the head though, and I think the emotional response to the game has finally calmed.

Stil football to be played. GO DUCKS!

Icey

by ChicagoQuack503 on Sep 22, 2008 9:05 AM PDT reply actions  

re:Roper

QB running isn’t such a worry. I think that Roper was OK with that. But we need a QB that can throw the ball deep. Also, we need a QB that will stand in the pocket. At Purdue, Roper got incredibly antsy, and ran instead of just stepping up. Harper did the same last game. Thomas stood in like a champ and made the throws he needed to.

The thing that Dixon learned over time was when to take off, and when to wait and throw. Right now, we need a QB that can hit the throws. Thomas looks like he could be it, but lets wait for a game before crowning him.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Sep 22, 2008 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Masoli & Thomas

I was upset at how long it took Bellotti to put Thomas in. Good point about flashback to Dixon. I’m sure that played a huge factor in his decision to wait as long as he did.

I think we should stick with these two as our two-headed monster (at least when Masoli comes back). The problem with Rope is that he’s not a dual threat; in fact, with regards to passing, the guy doesn’t even have a good deep ball. Harper has top notch skills but right now, he’s very limited to rushing. I agree with an earlier post that he’s much like Tebow when he first joined UF, may not even be up to par in terms of passing. Given that Harper was not recruited as a QB, we may even utilize his skills better as a RB or S. I know that we need an explosive young RB because once JJ is out after this year, we’re left a bit thin with just Blount and Alston.

Ultimately, we have Masoli and Thomas, both who have fairly similar skills. Masoli is probably going to give us a better threat as runner but I feel that we should give Thomas significant playing time this season after Bellotti summoned him from his redshirt. The way the offense resonded to Thomas was just remarkable and now that the redshirt issue is over with, give the kid some time to compete out there and learn. Just imagine having that passing threat coupled with JJ and Blount for four full quarters. I think we’d definitely secure 2nd in the Pac-10 this season. I can’t wait til Saturday. GO DUCKS!!!

by ATLDuck on Sep 22, 2008 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Given that Harper was not recruited as a QB, we may even utilize his skills better as a RB or S.

I might be wrong, but I thought he was a QB/ATH, and he was always going to primarily be a QB.

It's spelled "S-h-u-f-e-l-t"

by JShufelt on Sep 22, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Lobster > Whichever Duck QB Plays

You have no idea.

However, I firmly believe we (the Cougs) will still lose.

by Grady Clapp on Sep 23, 2008 6:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Anyone looks good against PSU

We will see how he holds up.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Sep 23, 2008 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

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