Beavers do it again

by binger on Sep 25, 2008 10:21 PM PDT Comment 61 comments

Wow...Beaver's pull off another stunner, not so good for the ducks next Saturday. I have always imagined what Riley would do with the Ducks talent, remarkable coach. If we could get the Duck's to play that hard every game, that would be incredible. But next week looks like a nightmare!! The Trojans will not lose to a beaver and a duck two weeks in a row. I can not stand another mediocre year, the Duck's usually under achieve and the Beaver's usually over achieve. I know most of you will try to bash what I say, but if you take off the blinder's you will agree. I have been a Duck fan for 22 years, and have seen some amazing things, but I do not like the way the program has gone.

In the next couple of years the Duck's need a new head coach. Bellotti is the not the answer, and if you think so you are kidding yourself. Yeah, Yeah, the Duck's have been successful under Bellotti, but that is only because of Rich Brooks and Phil Night. I talk with other Pac-10 fans and they say the same things, nobody would trade their coach for Bellotti. Bellotti is not even in the top half of coaches in the Pac-10. Tedford, Carroll, Harbaugh, Riley and maybe even Willingham and Erickson. I would arguably put Bellotti below all of these coaches and I would trade him as well. Think of all of the bad calls and poor decisions Bellotti has made, add them up!! Even when Joey was around Bellotti still drove me crazy!! Attempting field goals from 52 yards in the first quarter, when it was 4th and 2. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Say what you will, if you truly love the Ducks and want a team that plays with their hearts on their sleeves (Beaver's), than you will agree. If you want mediocrity and a half ass job done, than you are satisfied with what we have now. I can not take it anymore, please no more articles in the Oregonian about how Bellotti got out coached and played. Are you Duck fan's tired of this?? Do you want what you think you deserve??

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Willingham?

Really? I’d say that his resume with Notre Lame and the Fuskies doesn’t really support that theory.

And I’m usually no grammar nazi, but ENOUGH with the unnecessary apostrophes, please!

Jerry Sloan is a complete and total smeg head.

by GustyJ on Sep 25, 2008 11:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Those apostrophes are all I can see when i try to read this post.

by everett on Sep 26, 2008 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know I won’t change your mind and you are probably going to get offended but I will try and keep it civil. Let’s go back to some things that Mike Bellotti has done in your 22 years as a Duck Fan.

You became a duck fan in 1986. Mike Bellotti was added to the coaching staff as Offensive Coordinator in 1989

Some fun Mike Bellotti Facts

1989 – First bowl appearance and victory since 1963.
1995 – Became the Head Coach of Oregon
Oregon has gone to bowls every year since 1995 except for 2 years. 1996 and 2004.
During that period he is 5-6 in bowl games with the most post season victories of any coach in Oregon history
He has won 2 conference titles (2000, 2001)
He owns the only 10 win seasons in school history (2000, 2001, 2005)
He led the team to its highest ranking ever nationally in 2001 (2nd in the nation)

Rich Brooks record – 91-109-4 (45% wins)
Mike Bellotti record – 109-51 (68% wins)

Record of the team when you started being a fan

1986: 5-6
1987: 6-5
1988: 6-6
1989: 8-4 (Mike Bellotti’s First Year)

I suppose you are right. All Bellotti has done as won more football games, gotten conference titles, national recognition for the team and recruited well. With the help of donors (including Nike and others), the U of O collectively has increased the national recognition of Oregon to unprecedented levels. He has also had 4 assistants that have gone on to head coaching positions in the college ranks.

But maybe you are right. If this is your definition of mediocrity, then your definition of success must be more of what USC has accomplished over the last 10 years. We have been in the upper echelon of the Pac-10, one of the toughest conferences year in and year out, for over a decade and we were sniffing the national title game last year.

If none of this is good enough for you, I really don’t know what to tell you. I know of several teams in the Pac-10 that wish they could say the above. Thanks for reminding me how awesome the Ducks are.

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Sep 25, 2008 11:56 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

Change

I really think it is time for a change, maybe I am too critical, but I am not over reacting because they lost to Boise State. I have felt this way for many years, I have never been a big Bellotti fan. I really think it’s time for the Duck’s to evolve to the next level, we have the recruits, but lack a great game coach.

Year after year I see the same mistakes and I can not blame it all on the players. Maybe Bellotti reminds too much of my Father, hell they even look alike. Very passive (no balls) and not willing to stand up as a coach and make responsible decisions. For instance, Jason Williams why haven’t they benched him for dropping passes? I know he does some good, but when your job is to catch the ball and you can’t, you should be sitting on the bench with the other receivers that are not adequate enough to play. I could go on and on… and I have noticed the Quack Attack is all about supporting your coach no matter what. Obviously that is not my style.

I hope we do not lose Kelly like we did Tedford, that would be a shame. I am aware of the past and present, the Ducks wins and loses. I can’t imagine how much more successful the Ducks would be with a better coach, I just do not understand how people can back Bellotti year after year? Did you forget the Cal game last year when we lost a kick off, and muffed another one right after that. Then by the third kick off the coaches finally put JStewart back in the game, after everybody was yelling, put in JS. That was one of the reasons we lost that game. Like I said I can on and on, I just do not get it…why do you love him so much??

by binger on Sep 26, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Williams is the best receiver on the field and should play. Even with his dropped passes, he’s better than anyone else.
Stewart was injured in the game last year, and the coaching staff was limiting his time on the field.

I don’t have a problem with people bagging on Bellotti, but the examples you cite are examples of good coaching.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Sep 26, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Might I add

That he is still on pace to break the receiving yards mark at Oregon over his career. Needs about 500 more yards this season to make it past Sammie Parker

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Sep 26, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

???????????

Fire Bellotti? I 100% agree with top post. Before Bellotti we could only hope for a winning season and to beat the Beavers. Now if we don’t get 10 or 11 wins we consider the season a disappointment . It is ludicrous to be calling for Bellottis head.

by thepackage333 on Sep 26, 2008 12:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Play hard?

“I have always imagined what Riley would do with the Ducks talent, remarkable coach. If we could get the Duck’s to play that hard every game, that would be incredible.”

Do you really think that Riley makes them “play that hard every game”? If so, what is the excuse for losing to Stanford and not waking up until the 4th quarter? How about being down 28 points to Penn State before you could blink? Why do they perennially start slow?

“I have always imagined what Riley would do with the Ducks talent, remarkable coach.” Riley isn’t near the recruiter that Bellotti is, so i doubt you would ever see Riley with the Ducks talent even if he WAS our coach.

I do think that Riley is a really good coach, and one could argue that he’s a better COACH than Bellotti. There is so much more to it than that though. I think calling for Bellotti’s head is uncalled for. For the past several years I’ve felt like we are on the cusp of a championship. We wouldn’t be in this position without the things that Bellotti’s done for us.

I like the yellow helmets!

by MarineCorpsDuck on Sep 26, 2008 7:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Phil Night

Nike baby!! Oregon is living the dream, I know a lot of other programs are jealous as they should be. There is half of your recruiting, and Eugene is much more presentable than Corvallis. When you have Crowton, Tedford and Kelly as your coordinators it’s hard to pass up the high flying innovative Duck offense. So maybe I will give Bellotti 20% credit for the recruits the PROGRAM has brought in. Maybe in the future the Ducks will not be a stepping stone, but a landmark.

by binger on Sep 26, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

A lot of people agree...

If you lose Bellotti, you lose Phil Knight.

The best alternative you could do is place Bellotti as the AD.

It's spelled "S-h-u-f-e-l-t"

by JShufelt on Sep 26, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

AD job

I agree about Bellotti becoming AD, but I am not sure about losing Phil Knight. He is an Oregon alum, I guess if Bellotti becomes head coach at Washington Phil Knight will become a Husky?

by binger on Sep 26, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

actually

During the late 90s, the autzen expansion was in danger because Phil Knight pulled his money after the U of O joined the WRC (workers rights consortium) on demands from a small, but vocal student body. It took a pretty large marketing campaign and some soothing of hurt feelings to bring it back on track.

If Phil is a Bellotti guy, don’t think he won’t pull funding for some project we really want so he can get his way.

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Sep 26, 2008 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I haven't heard that before

But yes, I like the Bellotti —> AD, Chip —> HC/OC idea.

</dream sequence>

Your friendly neighborhood placekicker.

by qrsouther on Sep 26, 2008 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let's not forget that Bellotti was the one that brought in the coaches to make the changes necessary

All the blame, none of the credit.

Oh, and he built the program when there was no program. He brought in the recruits before Phil Knight started dumping in money and before we had the outlandish facilities.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Sep 26, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

not that I think he should be fired

but Bellotti is a pretty bad game coach, with all his questionable (terrible?) calls.

by coolconman on Sep 26, 2008 7:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Is he really that bad?

First, I don’t think that there are many good game coaches. I mean, who is a good game coach?

Every coach makes game mistakes. Bellotti has made his share of mistakes, but he also takes chances more often than a lot of other coaches, which I appreciate.

College head coaching is more about recruiting, motivation, etc.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Sep 26, 2008 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

and he also takes a lot of the blame for his players and their screwups. Remember the Evenson kick in the civil war last year? it was VERY clear that Bellotti was telling Roper to spike the ball after the run to set the field goal up. Evenson came in, told Roper to hurry up and get in position for the kick and they missed the kick.

Bellotti took the heat even though it was very clearly Evenson (and Roper for not being assertive as a new QB) that rushed the play. Taking the heat off players is the mark of a good coach as well

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Sep 26, 2008 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dumbest, post ever. (note: consult strunk and white re: use of apostrophe)

While I wouldn’t trade Riley for a porn-stached Bellotti, a gold and black trans am and a hot tub full of piping hot nacho cheese I still respect what the guy has helped build. If you think your program continues to step forward with Willingham at the helm believe me, you’re dumber than your parents tell you you are.

GO BEAVERS

by ArbyOSU on Sep 26, 2008 8:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Agree

So I guess you agree Riley is a better coach? I noticed you are Beaver fan, you probably should be calling the whiner line on the fan, you sound like all of the other Beaver fans. With your nacho cheese and hot tubs…maybe that’s what is going on in Corvallis? Sounds good to me, sign me up.

by binger on Sep 26, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Beaver fan here...

Yeah, I’m a Beaver fan. What gave it away? My profile, the “GO BEAVERS” at the bottom of my post or my PAC 10 head coach preference?

I do prefer Riley just as you prefer Bellotti. Different styles, different coaches, different programs. You can see where our tastes obviously differ, right? I respect the man and think he’s a good coach… I just wouldn’t swap out the coach of my program for him, that’s all.

He can grow a sweet mustache, which is pretty great. More mustache, less goatee.

So take it easy little buddy.

And if you aren’t down with nachos, hot tubs, trans ams and mustaches you simply aren’t down to begin with.

GO BEAVERS

by ArbyOSU on Sep 26, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs

This could be the greatest Beaver post on AtQ ever.

It's spelled "S-h-u-f-e-l-t"

by JShufelt on Sep 26, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

quoted for truth

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Sep 26, 2008 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Except...

Minus the quoting part. But I got the intent… :P

by inroywetrust on Sep 27, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah the goatee's weird

His stache was cool before it went all “more salt less pepper.”

Your friendly neighborhood placekicker.

by qrsouther on Sep 26, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Total Tom Selleck 'stache

Bellotti and Pat Hill rocked two of my favorite West Coast football facial hair configurations. Now I’m down to only Pat Hill. Love the guy though. I don’t know whether he’s going to coach in a WAC football game or build me a custom motorcycle on a TLC reality show.

Hell, he can probably do both.

Go Beavers

by ArbyOSU on Sep 27, 2008 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hate Pat Hill

And his handlebar mustache only furthers that.

Your friendly neighborhood placekicker.

by qrsouther on Sep 28, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Name Caller

Que paso amigo.

Thanks for the upgrade to little buddy big buddy. I guess this is what goes on in Beaver nation, all of this silly name calling. Sounds like you have watched a lot Will Farrow movies, referencing the nacho cheese and trans ams…hey I think you have something…you could be rich!

Sorry that were not talking football, but when you call people dumb it makes you sound dumber, unless of course it’s like when someone is called bad, but it means their cool? Ahhh, we are all idiots wasting our time blogging and sounding like a bunch of children.

I am always down with the cheese if someone brings the chips.

Sincerely,

Dumbest post ever.

by binger on Sep 27, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do you mean Will Ferrell?

by inroywetrust on Sep 27, 2008 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm...

I think I missed “Will Farrow’s” most recent movie “The Trans Am Kid: A Nacho Cheese Story”… you’ll have to rip me a DVD of that so we can rip some bingers together.

I want to try to address your second paragraph there but I’m not sure I follow. I guess my only response to anything you were attempting to say would be that I really hope you don’t end your weekend without having someone fart directly into your face. No, really, you deserve it.

Nice win for the ducks to day. God we need to fire Riley, don’t you think? I mean, crap, the ducks won today and what did the Beavers do? They didn’t win, just like the ducks didn’t win on Thursday. And worse yet, each team just beat teams the other hasn’t even played yet! I mean really, binger, what the hell do we pay these jerks for!

..OR we could just wait and see what you guys do against SC before you start calling for Bellotti’s job, but hey, that’s just too freaking rational.

Good luck at your volleyball tournament this weekend. Don’t forget your knee pads.

Sincerely,
Yes, that was the dumbest post ever

Go BEAVERS

by ArbyOSU on Sep 27, 2008 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Back at ya

Sorry about the missed spelling, I thought I was on a football blog?

Actually, when I was 12 my friend sat on my face and farted. I couldn’t get up because he was bigger than me and I had to inhale the fart or else I might of died. More sweet words from a true Beaver fan, I guess that’s what I deserve. Farts and nacho cheese…maybe I kind of like it?

I am imaging that’s all we will hear all year long, how the Beavers beat the Trojans. Does anyone really think the Ducks have a chance now, the Trojans are pissed, they are not going to lose to a duck and beaver in the same year. The Beavers had the luxury of an off week and an over confident Trojan team, that will not be the case this Saturday. The Trojans are not going to lose 2 weeks in a row, the Ducks are just unfortunate the Trojans lost the week before.

The fact that you are still replying to the “dumbest post ever” is very interesting. I guess you really do enjoy our banter? I hope so, because I enjoy your Beaver!

Ta Ta,
Not, the dumbest post ever

by binger on Oct 2, 2008 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Calling for Bellotti's head.

After a Beaver win.

Not a Duck loss.

A Beaver win.

The stupid, it hurts.

by grimc on Sep 26, 2008 9:36 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs

Overreacting, big time.

You can’t throw Bellotti’s head on the chopping now, he has turned this program from “cute little conference contender” to knocking on the door of being a national power. With the recent successes we have been over-confident every year since the Joey run. We have had 3 OCs in 6 years and brought in tons of talent. How do we call for Bellotti’s head when we can still go 11-1?

by jessenumber1 on Sep 26, 2008 9:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

11-1?

11-1 sounds great, and so does a National Championship. Give me your info and when the Ducks go 11-1 and get to the National Championship under Bellotti, the popcorn is on me.

by binger on Sep 26, 2008 10:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

National Championship would be sweet...

But that’s not the goal in the mish-mesh-hodgepodge that is the BCS.

But that’s just my opinion.

It's spelled "S-h-u-f-e-l-t"

by JShufelt on Sep 26, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are you sure you are a duck fan?

You don’t sound like a duck fan. You sound more like hardcore, unrealistic USC/Notre Dame/Ohio State fan where either you win the national championship or you start firing the coach. If you have been a duck fan since 1986 as you claim, I would think you would remember not even being in discussions for bowls…let alone National Championships. We have been in the discussions for years. Hell, even this year we still have a good shot despite our loss to Boise State.

I could be slightly off on my numbers but if I recall right, there is only one team that has more success than the Ducks over the last decade and that is USC. Seriously, in my opinion, your expectations are out of whack.

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Sep 26, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agree and Disagree

I agree that expectations are a little out of whack. Take my expecations at the beginning of this year…I HOPED for a BCS bowl, but EXPECTED Holiday Bowl. I do remember the years where ANY bowl game would do, but those days are long gone. The program, in my opinion, has established that those days SHOULD be gone. We should be able to expect good bowl games now.

Let me ask you this: if we go 5 more years of not being in a BCS bowl game, are you okay with that? If not, does Bellotti get any of that blame? At this point, I think it’s ridiculous to fire Bellotti. However, if we have a 10 year drought on BCS games (2001 – 2011), I think at some point you have to start looking at a new head coach. Sometimes change is needed to get to that next level.

Take the San Diego chargers for example: everyone freaked out that they’d fire Schottenheimer (spelling) after going 14-2, but that change resulted in them getting to the AFC Championship game. I’m a Charger fan and supported that change. I think, as a Duck fan, we’re nearing that point. At some point, no matter how good the coach is, if we don’t make a couple of BCS games here and there I get impatient. Do you think that expecting 2 BCS games every 10 years is unrealistic?

I like the yellow helmets!

by MarineCorpsDuck on Sep 26, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Duck fan here

I never said that I was not a Duck fan, I am not a Bellotti fan, never have been. Sorry any of you guys have not understood that yet, but when the media runs wild with their stories, they seem to forget the finer points. Bellotti is not the type of coach I believe will take us to the promise land. This is not because of Boise State, I have said that already.

With our recruits and the backing of Nike, I feel the Ducks program should be further ahead of the game. It gets frustrating when I see that not happening. I am not too critical or wanting championship after championship, but year after I see the Ducks fizzle out at the end, that’s why I am always so skeptical at the beginning of the season.

by binger on Sep 26, 2008 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

What would you do differently

If you were head coach?

I’ve heard a lot of complaints about Bellotti, but they never give enough reason. Is it JUST the lack of BCS bowls?

It's spelled "S-h-u-f-e-l-t"

by JShufelt on Sep 26, 2008 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Reasons

I have stated reasons in previous blogs, but nobody wants to read the fine print. I have heard a lot of complaints about Bellotti as well, and that should tell you something. The lack of BCS bowls is also one of the arguments.

by binger on Sep 27, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That tells me nothing.
“Oh… people have said things.”
“I’ve said it before”

That’s nothing of substance to me. I’m not going to siff through your posting history on every blog.

I think fans need to recalibrate their expectations of the Oregon football program. People are insane if they think getting rid of Bellotti is going to improve the program. Doing so will only make things worse before it ever gets better.

We’ve been ranked #2 in the country twice – ever. So let’s fire Bellotti.
We’re living in our most successful time of our program – ever. So let’s fire Bellotti.
We’ve had our best years in recruitment – ever. So let’s fire Bellotti.
We’re winning year in, and year out for the first time – ever. So let’s fire Bellotti.

It makes perfect sense.

It's spelled "S-h-u-f-e-l-t"

by JShufelt on Sep 27, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Popcorn?

I’d rather have you retain some level of faith that we can still pull off a respectable season. We shit the bed against Boise, no 2 ways about that. But it’s hard to get angry at our coaching when ANOTHER team gets a good win. IDEA!

by jessenumber1 on Sep 26, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You realize that you are making far too much sense to be posting on a college football message board, right?

Swap logical for fanatical and try again.

In all honesty though, these chicken little fans are everywhere. It gets really, really old. I feel sorry for their families.

by ArbyOSU on Sep 26, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Some truth, but still a dork

Binger, did you want a new coach after the Ducks beat USC and ASU in back to back weeks last year. ..get some perspective here…

Now if I could overlook your overeaction and garner some truth to what you migh have to say. I think all of us ducks fans to some extent are frustrated with the season. We’re a way better team than both Purdue and Boise State. it just hasn’t played out on the field that way.

It a lot easier to pump a losing team when you have shot at the #1 team.

What makes a good coach a great coach, is when you have a bunch over talented, cocky, speed racer(sorry couldn’t resist), blindingly fast, blunt force trama kind of team and get them pumped up for every game. Caroll failed to be great this week. All coachs make mistakes and I respect Belotti to be the first to admit it when it happens. I think Belotti has what it take to bring this team to the next level, and that’s why his job is so much harder than Riley’s.

by DuckAndRun on Sep 26, 2008 12:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I am a dork

Fortunately the Ducks had the best 2 offensive weapons in school history last year, that was the reason we were in that position. Bellotti is not the only reason JS and Dixon came to Oregon, so don’t start up with they came because of Bellotti.

I do not blame Bellotti for last years misfortunes, last year was devastating . Last year was great beating USC & ASU, but the Ducks do not consistently pull off such victories. I don’t think that it is outlandish to say that the Ducks have reached a point where they should be beating more quality teams consistently. That’s all I am asking for, I don’t need a BCS bowl every other year, just more consistent play amongst quality opponents. I do not count Oklahoma.

by binger on Sep 27, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just don't get your reasoning

8-4 in what are considered “top tier quality opponents” since 2005. If you throw out the Oklahoma games as you suggest, then it is still 7-3. Most of the losses below were extremely close too, just as some wins were. If you don’t want us to go to the BCS every year, you can’t ask for a better record because a better record would have us beating USC every year and no one has gotten through the Pac-10 schedule unscathed in awhile outside of Southern Cal.

The ducks pull off these victories more consistently than anyone else except for one team in the last decade and that team is USC.

2005 (2-2)
USC – loss
Arizona State – Win
California – win
Oklahoma (bowl) – loss (but OK does count I suppose)

2006 (3-1)
Oklahoma – win (but OK does count again)
Arizona State – win
California – loss
USC – win

2007 (3-1)
Michigan – win
California – loss
USC – win
Arizona State – win

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Sep 27, 2008 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

We lost to USC in 2006...

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Sep 27, 2008 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

rats, looked at the wrong year. My apologies. My point still stands though

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Sep 27, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Everybody here calling for Bellotti rotisserie style...

I don’t know if we need some tweezers or something, but we need to get at those grains of sand in your vaginas ASAP.

Your friendly neighborhood placekicker.

by qrsouther on Sep 26, 2008 6:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

This is all pretty hilarious.

Especially this:

“I have always imagined what Riley would do with the Ducks talent,”

I dunno…not beat oregon 3 out of 4?

If you still think oregon has better talent than oregon state, you’re only about a decade behind the times.

by CV3000 on Sep 27, 2008 6:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Thank you for contributing to much to this conversation.

It's spelled "S-h-u-f-e-l-t"

by JShufelt on Sep 27, 2008 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I gotta agree there

I think the only thing recruiting duds prove in any program is not only how flawed the “star” ranking systems are but also how hard it is to coach a player up and develop him. Riley’s strength lies here while Bellotti’s is definitely in the high profile recruiting game.

That said, I still think the original post was made by someone keyed out of their freaking gourd.

by ArbyOSU on Sep 27, 2008 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

The star system does have it’s flaws, but overall, it’s also one of the best indicators of success. SMQ broke this down a while ago.

It’s well worth the read, so check it out. For anyone looking for objective analysis of this topic, look no further.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Sep 27, 2008 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The reason the star system is flawed

Is because they are ranked by who has offered.

Fictional Example:
John Shaw is a a 2 star Defensive End out of Portland, Oregon. He has gotten looks from the in state schools and of course the pieces of crap up north, but nothing much else. Then all of a sudden, Notre Dame comes calling and offers him a scholarship because he absolutely fits the scheme for the program. The next day, John Shaw is a 3 star Defensive End. This of course, gets the attention of schools like Stanford, Cal, UCLA and the Arizonas. So then, next thing he knows he is getting offers from 8 different schools. John Shaw becomes a 4 star within a week.

Fictional? Yes, but it’s exactly what happens. Jacquizz Rodgers was a 3 star AT BEST coming from Texas, and the only in state school to offer him was SMU. His next biggest offer (besides OSU) was Illinois. Think there are teams out there that wish they had him now?

Our D-Coordinator even said regarding the 5 start Simi Kuli was a 3 star talent who happened to be recruited by bigger schools.

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by The VD Special on Sep 29, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's not perfect...

But no system is perfect. There are plenty of examples of how it isn’t perfect.

No matter how it’s put together, the fact of the matter is, it’s one of the best indicators of long term success. On the whole, the teams that have high ranked recruits have higher ranked teams at the end of the season, and have more all americans. It’s pretty hard to argue with those numbers. Seems like something Joe Morgan would do.

In my opinion, Beaver fans more than most get all bent out of whack because they have overachieved compared to the star system, and may not get the full respect they feel the deserve due to a perceived lack of talent. I rarely hear anyone besides Beaver fans complain about the star system. And really, it’s incredibly silly. OSU doesn’t get the high-star recruits, and have been successful (I would say) in spite of that. So, instead of complaining about one of the best indicators of long-term success and acting like it means nothing, realize that it means quite a bit, and take pride in your teams accomplishments.

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by jtlight on Sep 30, 2008 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

OSU doesn’t get the high-star recruits, and have been successful (I would say) in spite of that. So, instead of complaining about one of the best indicators of long-term success and acting like it means nothing, realize that it means quite a bit, and take pride in your teams accomplishments.

Amen. I don’t think anybody takes the star system 100% serious, but it’s one of the better, albeit screwed up, gauges of recruitment for the media.

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by JShufelt on Sep 30, 2008 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Screwed up is the best way to put

Going back to Quizz Rodgers. The kid rushed for over 8,000 yards and 121 TDs in 3 years in TEXAS 5A ball. The media LOOOOOVES talking about how good Texas high school football is. So shouldn’t a kid that does that in the biggest class be regarded as a big time talent no matter the fact that he’s 5’6"? Wasn’t Barry Sanders 5’8"? Don’t get me wrong, I’m loving the fact that this kid happened to fall in our laps because of this flawed system. I’m just saying, it’s a little ridiculous.

But one thing we can all agree on, the star system is about as good as the preseason polls. Yes, sometimes they are correct. But sometimes they are oh so wrong (take Michigan starting at #5 last year)

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by The VD Special on Sep 30, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yup...

Also – some players are just flat-out better in high school then they’ll ever be in college, because they can take advantage of smaller, slower, dumber players, but on a more even field, they can’t come close to competing.

It’s a screwed up system. But statistically, it is more “right” than “wrong”.

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by JShufelt on Sep 30, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree 100%

In a state like Oregon, where high school football may not be top notch, a guy can put up those stats (I forget the kid from Hood River, Krizman or something, a couple years ago that put up INSANE numbers) But if you’re playing the top class of Texas high school ball, you are playing many D1 caliber players, and I think putting up those ridiculous stats should say something about your abilities. He wasn’t playing against “smaller, slower, dumber players” ya dig?

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by The VD Special on Oct 2, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs