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The PAT Formation

I Love our PAT Formation.  Love Love Love it.  I was surprised to see that it's only resulted in two successful conversions this year but I'd think Flint would also attribute lots of easy PAT attempts to it as well.  I like the message it sends to our team. "Never take a play off, take no points for granted."  I like the message it sends to other teams.  "Take a play off and we'll take every point we can from you."  It fits in with the MO of our offense beautifully.  

My only problem with it is that I Never Get To Watch It.  TV crews are always showing replays of the scoring play and by the time they cut to the play in progress, we've already shifted back or we're in the midst of crossing the goal line.  TV commentators never offer anything more insightful than, "Here's that weird formation Oregon uses."    We finally got to see the entire play from snap to score this last week but even then we only got to see the center cluster of players.  What I want to know is if anyone wrote any sort of seminal literature on this formation.  Did Moseley or Hunt do a piece on it when we first started using it?  Did Kelly write a blog piece about it in the offseason?  How many other schools use it?  How many plays can we run from it?  How many ways have defenses lined up against it?  I think it's so beautiful I want to know everything about it but information on it is so hard to come by.

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Its essentially the old swinging gate formation

Its been used for a while. I know Boise State used it (because they did against us) but don’t know about others.

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by skywaker9 on Oct 26, 2009 12:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That was the only thing I had a good view of in Seattle

I was sitting like a row above the OMB and I could totally see it coming! Greatness!

by hazmat5793 on Oct 26, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Same here Hazmat

Called it from section 5. Nothing like being in row 35 but being over 50 yards away from the back of the endzone. God, they need to get rid of that track in a hurry.

by SeattleDucks on Oct 26, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Costa ran it perfectly

He had one guy to beat, looked him off by focusing on the receiver in the endzone, and then waltzed in when the defender turned his back. It was a thing of beauty.

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by Gorbachav5 on Oct 26, 2009 3:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Its called the A-11

The A-11 Offense was created in 2007 by two high school football coaches in Piedmont, CA in the San Francisco Bay area. The offense was initially created to help level the playing field for a public school with an enrollment of about 800 students competing against schools up to twice its size.

The A-11 Offense, a new high school football offense has taken the country by storm. A-11 stands for (all 11 players potentially eligible to receive a pass), which creates havoc for the defense. Teams across the country have adapted the offense, using speed, athleticism and deceptiveness to create a fast-paced game in which any player might touch the football on any given play. A high school in Illinois set state records with 597 yards passing and 9 touchdown passes in a single game during the 2008 season.

During the 2008 season, the A-11 spread across the country, with the Piedmont Highlanders and many other schools featuring the offense making a run into the playoffs. According to the Washington Post, the A-11 has become the hottest topic in high school sports. Carl Bialek of the Wall Street Journal called the A-11 Offense, “the story of the fall in football” in 2008.

The A-11 has been featured on the cover of ESPN The Magazine (December 29, 2008), the front page of the New York Times (October 17, 2008), and appeared on the home page of Yahoo! twice, NBC, ESPN.com, Chicago Tribune, Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, New York Times Play Magazine, San Francisco Chronicle, Scientific American, among many other countless regional media outlets. The A-11 was also highlighted as one of the best ideas of 2008 by the New York Times special Annual IDEAS section in December 2008. Japan & Germany high schools also played in A-11.

  • Scientific American compared traditional football – there are 36 ways to advance the football, but in the A-11 that number skyrockets to over 16,600 because the players are interchangeable!

The A-11 is designed to maximize speedy athletic players, and helps to reduce injuries because the players are super spread out across the field of play. The A-11 provides an opportunity for a more diverse group of athletes to play football and the A-11 is also growing the sport on the youth level. Teams running the A-11 can feature smaller athletes that might not normally make a football team, however, the A-11 also gives players the opportunity to succeed on the field by creating lots of one-on-one match ups.

Despite the remarkable success of teams using the offense around the country, the positive media coverage; great feedback from football referees, players, coaches and fans, and the opportunity to help grow football on the youth level by increasing the amount of children that can play the sport, the NFHS changed the jersey numbering and scrimmage kick formation rules in February, 2009.

However, high school and collegiate coaches nationwide have requested information from A-11 creators Kurt Bryan and Stave Humphries, regarding how to implement the offense under the new guidelines. Bryan and Humphries provided a genesis of the new A-11, which will be featured as the cover story of ESPN RISE Magazine in September 2009 – as the future of football. The A-11 will be used throughout high school football and some collegiate football during the 2009 season, creating more highlight plays, innovative story lines and other dramatic exposure. Simply put, the A-11 has changed football forever.

by Drew Down on Oct 26, 2009 3:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so.

I think it’s pretty much the Swinging Gate, which has been around since the Crowton days for us.

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by qrsouther on Oct 26, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s actually the swinging gate, not the A-11.

A-11

Swinging Gate

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-H-I-M-S-E-L-F"

by JShufelt on Oct 26, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

And the Swinging Gate has been around since like… the 30s.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-H-I-M-S-E-L-F"

by JShufelt on Oct 26, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

If that was partially directed at me, I only meant we’d applied it since the Crowton days.

Good attempt though, Drew Down.

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by qrsouther on Oct 26, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really towards you. Just that it isn’t a recent fad. It’s old school football.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-H-I-M-S-E-L-F"

by JShufelt on Oct 26, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much.

I would venture to say its enjoyed a research in the Spread Offense era, though.

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by qrsouther on Oct 26, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

*it's.

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by qrsouther on Oct 26, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How dare you forget an apostraphe!

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by CaDuck on Oct 26, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

pictures = win

It's spelled "T-A-K-O-T-U-E-S-D-A-Y-S-!-!-!."

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by Takimoto on Oct 26, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait just a minuet, conductor.

The A-11 formation shown above has only 2 instruments in the orchestra…I mean, 2 backs in the backfield, eh what?

by DONALDUCK on Oct 26, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You want pictures

First here is the lineup:

H is the holder (Costa) C & G are the center and guard TE all the way to the left can be a WR too TE second to the left is Dickson and K is Kicker. On the right you have the other tackles and guards with a WR or TE ready to catch the pass if Costa throws it.

Here is the way the play looked against UW:

As you will see in this video (at about the 1:20 mark)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SY8pYRrABk&feature=player_embedded

The WR/TE on the left of the formation runs a fade route, Dickson runs to the left looking for space or someone to block and the Kicker cuts behind the C & G into the endzone looking for a pass. Obivously, Costa is so wide open he just runs it in.

by Matt Daddy on Oct 26, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brooks years

Rich Brooks used to use this formation a lot during his tenure as Oregon’s coach. It was the first time I had ever seen it used in a football game. There were lots of things during the Brooks years that were interesting even though the wins weren’t there till the end.

by LODUCK78 on Oct 30, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't the A-11 get banned?

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by CaDuck on Oct 26, 2009 4:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

At least in California that is

On Halloween; USC will die, Matt Barkley will cry, and all of the little bandwagoning Trojan fans will shout "WHY!?"

by CaDuck on Oct 26, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In high school football, I believe.

At least I heard that. I don’t see why it should be. It seems totally legal of a formation to me.

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by qrsouther on Oct 26, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. I know that some of the teams in Ca,

I know that some of the teams in Ca that ran it never had exceptional records…Considering it is high school ball, I don’t see why it is should be banned

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by CaDuck on Oct 26, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not a legal formation because of the rules of eligible receivers. I don’t remember all the specifics, but it just doesn’t hold up. You’d get illegal formations every play.

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by jtlight on Oct 27, 2009 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe

they still used legal formations, they just had all players wearing jerseys with numbers that made them eligible as receivers. I imagine their new rules making the A-11 illegal probably require certain positions to wear certain number sets so there is no way to make them eligible.

by spinseeker on Oct 27, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is still possible to have particular formations where a lineman is an eligible receiver. In fact, I’m pretty sure the snapper in the swinging gate is an eligible receiver.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-H-I-M-S-E-L-F"

by JShufelt on Oct 27, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In high school ball, certain positions have to wear certain ranges of numbers. If you line up as a lineman for instance and are wearing a single digit number, it’s a flag.

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by dvieira on Oct 30, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

IIRC, there were a couple reasons why people didn’t like it:

1. It was unconventional and therefore "ruining" kids’ chances of being recruited seriously. Similar to the argument against the spread offense in college with regards to kids’ prospects in the NFL.
2. I think it was difficult to referee.

I don’t think number one is valid, when you consider it. Good athletes/football players are going to get recruited regardless. And number two can be solved by proper training. I could be wrong as to why they ultimately banned it, but I remember hearing about those two issues specifically when they were talking about axing it.

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by Gorbachav5 on Oct 26, 2009 5:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Reply fail

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by Gorbachav5 on Oct 26, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand those two arguments (thank you for presenting them BTW, I did not know what the thought was behind them :)), And know that you may not agree with them...

But I really think that high school athletics should be more about fun and competition among other schools, more than becoming professional or collegiate prospects.

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by CaDuck on Oct 26, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

It’s sad to see high school football forget what makes this sport so beautiful. I DEMAND that all high schools move to a journalistic voting system with an optional spelling bee as a tiebreaker. At each halftime a team captain can come out and make a 2 minute statement as to why his team is better, so voters can fill out their ballot and get home early without having to sit through the second half. It’s what Lombardi would have wanted.

by JonathanPDX on Oct 27, 2009 4:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

PAT you say?

       All new shit coming out of today’s practice. Nice formations, really tricky fun stuff. Let’s say PsAT, if you please.

by DONALDUCK on Oct 28, 2009 2:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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