*Anybody else hate Jim Harbaugh ?*
I can't believe the arrogance of Jim Harbaugh to run up the score on USC. Did anyone catch the 2pt conversion that they tried with 6min to go in the game, even though they were crushing the Trojans. I cant believe the audacity of this guy.
Now, we all enjoyed the beat down of USC in Autzen (I was there and loved every second of it), but you didnt see Chip Kelly gunning for Pete's throat and keeping the 1st unit in there. This guy is a jerk, and I hope he joins his brother in the NFL.
The players he's got in Palo Alto seem to respond well to Harbaugh, but I really can't stand the guy. His brother is of the same mold (being here in D.C., I get a lot of local Baltimore Raven crap on TV). I hope we don't have to deal with anymore of Harbaugh's antics.
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pretty sure that was a result of Pete’s “playing calling” when uSC was up by 3 or 4 scores the previous year in the 4th qtr.
Carroll doesnt appear to be the most gracious loser either. and that’s always fun to watch.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Carroll isn't
He refused to give Oregon any real credit after we blew them out, blaming his own team’s lack of execution.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
well it must be execution if you can’t get your 4 and 5 star recruits to even tackle properly or take the correct angles. yes i’m looking at you Malcolm Smith (MLB) and Taylor Mays.
or maybe they’re just highly mediocre and Carroll knows it. which would explain starting a freshman QB in your opener.
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Talent alone doesn't win games
See Illinois, ND, Clemson, Cal, etc.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
In terms of recruiting
Yes they are. They should be better than they are.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Not if you look at our 2007 and 2008 classes… For other Pac-10 teams, it was easy to use negative recruiting against Cal — as they could talk about the horrible facilities (worst in the Pac-10) and the treesitter fiasco, which caused recruits to question the community, and the commitment to football. It’s easy to picture how a place like Oregon or USC would be so much more attractive. I’m sure the Ducks know all about how Rivals’ stars really don’t matter unless you get a can’t-miss like JStewart… Patrick Chung, Jeremiah Masoli, etc…
WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?
by Thoroughbred on Nov 17, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
If he'd done it to the Ducks
I’d be calling him Rick Neuheisel, Jr.
Doing it to Pete “FUCK YOU!!!” Carroll, however: priceless.
Watching the game
I couldn’t tell what Carroll was saying to him. I thought it was, “How you doin’?”
This is way better though.
by HoodRiverDuck on Nov 16, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
CGB has a great write up on the Rose Bowl chances of each team.
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Didn't Chip Kelly challenge the WSU touchdown when you were up by a 50 points?
This is no reason to hate Jim Harbaugh. This isn’t high school football. If these guys want to quit getting scored on, then stop them for crying out loud. This is Division 1, Pac10 football. Man up
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by The VD Special on Nov 16, 2009 12:15 PM PST reply actions 8 recs
I’m not going to lie…when I was reading your post, VD, I heard in in Dan Hawkins voice.
“It’s division one football. It’s the Big 12…go play intermurals, brother.”
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by MarineCorpsDuck on Nov 16, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Haha, well thanks.
But seriously, I hate when people complain about getting the score run up on. It’d be one thing if it was a non-conference game against a Division 1AA opponent. But even then, Harbaugh would just look like a douche. This was USC, arguably the most talented team in the country with arguably one of the best coaches in the country.
And let’s not also forget that these two coaches have had words back and forth. Harbaugh was letting Pete know that he better bring it if he wants to remain on top of the Pac10. This is no different than Urban Meyer using the remainder of his timeouts against Georgia last year in the final minutes, when Florida was up by 30. I’m just tired of the “oh boo hoo, did you how mean that coach was to the other team” BS
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by The VD Special on Nov 16, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Didn’t this happen with Riley last year too? I think against WSU? They brought in Canfield off the bench and since he didn’t play much they threw some passes and people got their panties all up in a bunch about it. It just doesn’t really matter to me. Now, if I was a USC football player, I’m sure I’d be wanting to run up the score next year!
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by MarineCorpsDuck on Nov 16, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah. When we were up by like 35-40 (aka A LOT), Canfield went in. It was his first game back from shoulder surgery, so they wanted to see his arm. We ran a play action and Adeniji (another back up, mind up) streaked up the sideline and Canfield hit him for a TD. It was a LONG TD, and I think that’s what people were most upset about. But still, big effing deal. Can’t stop a team’s backups, that’s your own problem.
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by The VD Special on Nov 16, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
I ESPECIALLY don’t have a problem with it when the backups are in.
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by MarineCorpsDuck on Nov 16, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
Funny you mention Damola.
My girlfriend talks about him without end and how proud she is of him. He grew up basically like a surrogate brother to her. Is he a Junior now? He’s also an alumnus of South Eugene High, alma mater of JConant and I.
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I personally don't give a shit.
I sorta have a mancrush on Jim Harbaugh.
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I have a mancrush on any head coach
That can take a program as dismal as Stanford was and turn them around as quickly as he has. THEY ARE TALENTED
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by The VD Special on Nov 16, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
Jim Harbaugh just became the shit in my book for doing that. USC deserves these beatdowns they’ve been getting—it’s not as though they ever let up (a la Stanford and us in ‘08). Plus, if I’m not mistaken, did they not beat up on poor little San Jose State 52-6 just weeks ago?
No, Jim Harbaugh is not a jerk. Pete Carroll, rather, is a bag of tools, a sore loser, a prick, and just a general shithead NFL-reject failure of a man.
I disagree, if Carroll coached Oregon, we would consider him a god
Carroll took a historic program that was in the dumps and built it up to a national powerhouse, one you couldn’t beat in the polls even if you destroyed them on the field. Don’t get me wrong, I hate USC for being the Yankees of the Pac 10 and I don’t begrudge Harbaugh one bit for running it up on them. But Carroll is a good coach. In fact the Pac has a number of really good coaches now and we just have to get used to it.
Kenny Wheaton #20; The Pick - 1994 v UW. Matthew Harper #20; The Pick #2 - 2007 v USC. John Boyett #20;...
Gotta love Jim Harbaugh.
He is one of the good guys in my book. I love what he has done for that program and I love that he signed an extension to stay (unlike Ty Willingham). If Stanford became a perennial threat, that would be great for the conference.
I also think we’ve got some great coaches (and personalities) in this conference.
You’ve got the good guys I love to root for:
Mike Riley (root for the man, not the team)
Chip Kelly
Jim Harbaugh
The bad guys I can’t stand:
Pete Carrol (head of the evil empire)
Steve Sarkisian (and his crazy annoying d coordinator)
Mike Stoops (and his entire family)
Rick Neuheisel
The two I can’t decide on:
Dennis Erickson (a guilty pleasure, I love the way his teams play a little dirty)
Jeff Tedford (I hate that he continually out-coached Belotti, but after Chip put the hurt on, I feel a little better, and once a duck always a duck?)
And the JV coach:
that WSU guy
We’re lucky to be Pac-10 fans (we could have to see Jim Tressel, Joe Paterno, and Rich Rodriquez every year . . . )
I love me some JoePa though. He’s always made me laugh, even as I’m wondering whether he should be taking Aricept. Always doing some funny old man thing like answering press questions with his mouth full of apple.
by HoodRiverDuck on Nov 17, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
How can you hate JoePa!?
There are very few things more funny than JoePa verbally assaulting a reporter when the obligatory “are you planning on retiring”, or “when are you going to step down” questions are asked.
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Here's the way I see it
Really good coaches that will be around for a while:
Kelly (number 1 in my book, innovative, like able, focused)
Riley (great recruiter, build talent, good guy)
Harbaugh
Tedford
Want to hate, but experience/resume forces respect:
Erickson
Carroll
Polarizing:
Stoops
Neuheisel
Unproven but have potential:
Wulff
Sarkisian (could move to Polarizing or Good Coach, I hope for Polarizing)
For me there is no wonder the Pac 10 was the first to have 6 bowl eligible teams and now 5 in the top 25 of the BCS. Good coaches, recruiting Nationally, competitive league… if only we could get the conference to get us a better TV exposure situation…
Kenny Wheaton #20; The Pick - 1994 v UW. Matthew Harper #20; The Pick #2 - 2007 v USC. John Boyett #20;...
I’ll disagree with the Riley being a great recruiter. I might get OSU hate for saying it, but I think it is true.
He can’t go after the same guys Florida, Texas, and other major programs do. He can’t fill his roster with 4 and 5 stars. He makes his whole recruitment process with under the radar talent. It’s a nitch that gives him results, but I don’t see him ever bringing in a group that will compete for the MNC.
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Yeah, Riley finds very good players, and gets the most out of them. But the recruits that he gets set the ceiling on his program. Even their best seasons have ended in 3-4 losses.
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I’m going to respectfully disagree (surprise!). I don’t think his recruiting has anything to do with our early losses. If you look at our losses this year (except for USC, which really, we should have won), we went completely against our gameplan. Quizz had a combined 38 carries against Cincy and Arizona. He had 37 carries against USC alone last year. We tried to pass the ball too much, throwing from shot gun on first down, and ended up digging ourselves a hole. Last year against Stanford, same thing. Moevao threw the ball 50 times, which is no where near our usual offense.
As for the Penn State blowout, Cal showed that even a good team with great recruits can go into a place like Penn St (Tennessee) and be shell shocked to the point where you don’t know what you’re doing out there.
I just don’t think recruiting has anything to do with the early losses, but I’d be interested to hear your thinking on it.
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by The VD Special on Nov 18, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
I didn’t say recruiting had anything to do with early season losses, but just losses in general. The fact of the matter is that OSU does a lot with the recruits that they have, but those recruits put a ceiling on the program. Hence the best years under Mike Riley ending in Sun Bowl.
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But our losses are early in the season. The last 4 years, we’ve only lost one game each year after September. You know the routine
Start 2-3, finish 9-4.
So the losses are early in the season, and I don’t believe that has anything to do with talent, but rather, coaching
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by The VD Special on Nov 18, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Last year OSU beat USC in September, lost to Utah the next week (in October), and then lost to Oregon in November. I don’t believe it’s as “early season” as many people claim.
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Ok, sorry about the one year, one week mishap. It is always the first half of the season, and our schedule has generally only gotten tougher. Do you really think we would lose to Arizona at home right now?
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by The VD Special on Nov 18, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Do you really think we would lose to Arizona at home right now?
I think it is just as possible as Oregon losing to Arizona this week.
It's spelled "S-H-U-V-3-0-0-0"
I am just not sold on Arizona yet. Their best win of the year came against us when we were arguably playing our worst. If they were so good, they would have beaten Cal last week. That game was not as close as the score was.
I guess we’ll see after this weekend. And I know you guys are panicking and all to appease Juju or whatever, but from an outsider’s perspective, I don’t see any way you guys lose to Arizona this week.
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by The VD Special on Nov 18, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
So now losses are one-week mishaps? As I said, OSU has done a fantastic job with getting the most out of their players, but they also have a ceiling with how high they can go based on the overall talent level in the program.
As far as Arizona goes, I have no idea. Do you think you’d beat Stanford right now?
What I will look for, is how OSU responds now that the Pac-10 is on the upswing. Stanford, Arizona, Washington, Cal, UCLA, Oregon, all are gaining momentum, and are recruiting well. Oregon State has been incredibly consistent, but it will be very interesting to see how they fare now that the level of play is rising dramatically.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
By mishap I meant my reporting of the dates of the losses.
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by The VD Special on Nov 18, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
But you can’t really argue with 7 players drafted last year. And the guys are playing well too.
Look, I’m not one to say star rankings don’t matter, because generally, they give a good idea of how good a player is. Maybe Mike Riley finds more “gems” than most, I don’t know. And we will see with the uptick on the Pac10. But we’ve beaten USC when they had “more talent.” Cal, UCLA, even Arizona have had better recruiting classes, and we’ve pretty much owned those schools the last few years. I believe the ceiling is limited to getting off to good starts. I really don’t think you can argue that we are slow-starters, fast-finishers when we start off every year 2-3 usually losing to a team that we would have crushed later. Another thing to remember about our early season losses…
2005- Louisville (Big East champ)
2006- Boise State (WAC champ, beat OU in the Fiesta Bowl)
2007- Cincinatti (Big East champ)
2008- Penn State (Big 10 champ)
2009- Cincinatti (looks like they are going to be Big East champs)
I don’t know why we’ve continued to schedule some of the best teams in the country, but we do. I think we’d be a lot better off scheduling teams like Purdue (no offense, I know how you love them), Colorado, KState, etc. The next few years it appears we’ve done that, with Louisville at home, home-and-home with Minnesota and Wisconsin.
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by The VD Special on Nov 18, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
I think it’s easy to blame the whole early season collapse thing, but I also think it’s a fairly accurate representation of where OSU is at as a program. Up until last year, Riley had never finished better than 3 losses in conference. Last year they finished with two conference losses, and had 7 players drafted. Again, that’s a credit to Riley finding players that aren’t highly rated.
But at the end of the day, you have a higher chance of turning out successful players with high star recruits. When you have lower rated players, there’s just not a margin for error. As I said, it will be interesting to see how OSU fares with teams like Arizona, Washington, etc. on the rise.
OSU has shown that they can be in the discussion at the top of the Pac-10, but I just don’t see them putting together a serious national run until the talent level of the team increases.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Yeah he's not a good recruiter
Him and his coaching staff have a good eye for talent. But when it comes to recruiting guys that are getting offers from just as big or bigger schools, we lose a lot of those battles. Only a few that we have won come to mind recently
Simi Kuli (where the hell did he go)
Michael Phillip
Sean Canfield
Markus Wheaton
That’s about it that I can remember. Usually the guys we get to commit have offers from smaller D1 schools (think WAC, MWC conference caliber players)
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by The VD Special on Nov 18, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Here is where I might differ
I think that the whole “Star” system of recruits is a bunch of hogwash. Now I know a lot of the system is built on physicality stats (i.e. height, weight, 40 time, etc). But I think some of it has to do with not only what a bunch of non-coaching analysts think, but also who is recruiting that player. If USC, Notre Dame, Florida, et al, are after a certain kid who might be a borderline 3 star athlete, suddenly he might be a 4 star athlete.
I think great recruiting comes from finding kids that are good players but with the right coaching become better. Sure you have to be a good coach, but you also have to be able to identify in recruiting that characteristic that cannot be quantified… coachability.
Riley has shown time and time again that he finds coachable players and that translates into wins. Give me 22 coachable 3 star athletes any day over 22 4-5 star selfish, think they know everything already (Terelle Pryor) athletes anyday.
Kenny Wheaton #20; The Pick - 1994 v UW. Matthew Harper #20; The Pick #2 - 2007 v USC. John Boyett #20;...
First of all, I don’t think Terrell Pryor is that kind of player. He was just looking past his college career.
Second, yes, star ratings are influenced by who pursuits them, but it is a two way street. It is an imperfect system, without a doubt. However, it’s been proven that it is the best system out there, and it would be foolish to throw the system away. USC, Notre Dame, Florida, they aren’t going after some kid because rivals give them 5 stars. They are going after them because they are one of the most knowingly talented players .
The biggest factor that weighs into how many stars an athlete has is their high school production.
I’ll try and find the Doc Saturday link where he’s shown that you need to have the recruits to have the success that USC, Florida, Alabama, and Texas have had.
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I can see this,
Look at a team such as Iowa, they have classes that are mediocre in terms of “star” power. However they recruit the perfect 2/3 star guys for their system. Good coaching can more than compensate for lack of big name power.
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Aww gawd,
Back to the “Is Iowa good or not” debates
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Interesting,
I thought they sparked this debate when they beat Penn State…
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WE ARE LOSING FOCUS!
We need to conclude our prayer / sacraficial cermemonies in honor of Juju!
And yes, from a talent perpective, Iowa should not have beat Penn State or Michigan, or practically anyone. Hell, Arkansas State probably hauls in better classes each year!
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I really don’t agree with this. It’s fun to say, and it’s fun to be like, look at us lunch pail folks, whoopidy doo!
But there’s also a reason that USC, Texas, Florida, Ohio State, etc. are the teams that are competing for a national title year in and year out. Other teams sniff at it from time to time, but don’t get there.
To compete at the highest level, you need to not only recruit the best players in the nation, but work your ass off every single week. To me, it looks like that’s what Chip Kelly is doing. I haven’t seen such a hard working team in a long time, and it’s talented as well. Not to the level of USC, but still, the most talented we’ve ever seen at Oregon.
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I don't think that makes him a bad recruiter
because really, you’re 18 and hot shit, would you rather go to L.A., Seattle or Corvallis for four or five years?
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I agree and disagree with what you said.
Pat Casey and Craig Robinson (and some of our other sport coaches) have been able to recruit just fine to Corvallis, so on that point, I disagree. HOWEVER
Football is a game based on depth. You need 85-100 guys on your team every year. So while he may be able to get a few guys each year that are play makers, its always going to be tough to fill your entire roster with 4 star guys simply because it is Corvallis. So on that issue, I disagree.
Another problem that I’ve always though we’ve had, is their is no airport in/near Corvallis. So guys have to fly to either Eugene (40 minutes) or Portland (1 1/2 hour) and drive down. I don’t know if it makes a HUGE deal, but I’m sure it matters to some people, especially guys who fly into Eugene on their visit to OSU who are also considering Oregon.
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by The VD Special on Nov 18, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
The 2nd part of my statement, I meant I agree
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by The VD Special on Nov 18, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
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Huzzah!
The depth point is spot on. Of course some cornfed farmboy from Topeka is occasionally going to totally dig Corvallis, but location is a major barrier. Program history is sometimes enough to overcome it (Norman, Oklahoma?), but the Beavs don’t have enough (yet). Basketball might be another story, but does anyone outside our state remember that the Beavs were a basketball powerhouse once upon a time?
Seriously, though, Mike Riley is about as ideal a coach as any program could hope for.
by HoodRiverDuck on Nov 18, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Location is overrated, and a sorry excuse for not having the fortitude to go after big recruits
I think part of it is that Craig Robinson is dreaming big. He just pulled in a basketball player from the Bronx. He goes after big recruits. By and large, Mike Riley does not, and he doesn’t have any good young recruiters on his staff. It’s about his attitude, and he just doesn’t have that charisma that other big “recruiting” coaches have.
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Yeah, historically there have been places that have overcome crappy locations
Penn State, comes to mind. But what they lack as a city (2 1/2 hours away from ANYTHING), they make up for in stadium size, campus size, facilities, coaching, etc. Let’s face it, Corvallis/Oregon St doesn’t have much of what Penn State has
And Norman, OK is about the size of Eugene, I believe.
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by The VD Special on Nov 18, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
College Station, PA and Norman, OK
have “Program History”. That’s how they overcome jerkwater locations.
I think that’s an obvious benefit of the hyperpromotion the Swoosh and the Ducks have engaged in for the last ten years. Eugene still may be jerkwater, but at least it’s jerkwater you’ve heard of now. Corvallis, probably not so much.
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Can I get a brick to the head please?
by HoodRiverDuck on Nov 18, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
We're all out of bricks. I think we can still deliver a Pleasant to the head, though.
by AllSaintsDay on Nov 18, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Where is duck4lf3 when you need him?!?!
They haven’t introduced the carbon helmets yet!
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Carbon Fiber!
Who else has been wondering about the debut of the carbon fiber helmets!? Wtf!
Oregon did everything they wanted to do." -Pete Carroll
I sure as hell have!
I remember reading that they were not yet ready; only to see TCU trot out in carbon helmets!
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