Quack Fix: Special teams will be key against Stanford, Oregon women run wild
by jtlight on Nov 4, 2009 7:38 AM PST
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PrintWell, it's been a quiet beginning of the week. I assume that a lot of that is simple hangover from the USC win. The quack is also a bit sparse, but here's what I found.
- Rob Moseley writes on the special teams of both Stanford and Oregon. Both Stanford and Oregon have excellent kickoff return, and kickoff coverage teams. Kenjon Barner and Chris Owusu are 5th and 6th nationally in kick returns, both averaging over 35 yards per return, while Owusu has returned 3 kicks for touchdowns this year. This will be a great battle, and as Moseley reminds us" "As Oregon found out in 2001, a magical season can be undone by special teams play against Stanford." Let's pray that doesn't happen again.
- The Oregon women's basketball team started things out with a bang, winning an exhibition game against Southern Oregon 109-47. The hire of Paul Westhead promised an increase in game speed, and that was seen from the beginning, as the Ducks took a 21-2 lead 5 minutes in due to fastbreak offense and full court defense. After years of under performing teams, the Oregon women could be quite a surprise this year.
- John Hunt tackled the all consuming Oregon vs. Boise State polling question by contacting a number of AP voters. While Oregon hasn't passed BSU and some voters refuse to entertain the idea, by the end of the season, voters could be split right down the middle.
- Nick Daschel looks at the Pac-10's hot coordinators, and I gotta say, not the most inspiring group (Nick Alliotti is the top coordinator, according to Daschel). With the inlufx of head coaching talent, it just seems that coordinators have taken a back seat for a few years.
- John Canzano has another Blount piece, just what I know you all were waiting for! This time, he's saying that bringing Blount back will hurt the football team. Hmmm, who knows more about the football team, Canzano, or Chip Kelly? I'll go with the coach, thanks.
- Lastly, Anne Peterson of the Seattle PI has a good piece on the young Pac-10 QBs stepping up. Things definitely looked sketchy coming into the season, but Luck, Barkley, Foles, and Tuel all have their teams on the upswing. With the young QBs and coaching talent in the league, the Pac-10 will be very difficult over the next few years.
As always, leave your comments and links below. GO DUCKS!
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I hope we have that problem
Yes, I’m confident but still taking it one game at a time. Wont’ crack the champagne til we beat Zona and clinch it.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I agree
Some planning ahead in necessary though. Now that you mention it, champagne sounds good.
Stay in Ontario would be your best bet
You can fly there nonstop from Portland on Alaska/Horizon and its not that far from Pasadena. My sister went to college in Claremont and so we would drive from there to Pasadena at least once every time I visited.
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Look at me!! I'm John Canzano...hey! Over here with the wet blanket....hey!
Canzano second guessing Kelly (and the rest of the team for that matter) on the process and impact of Blount returning to active status with the Ducks?
Seriously, somebody needs to hide John’s keyboard and Blackberry. This is the same guy you don’t invite to reunions or the golf course…or call to tell about your promotion at work…your newborn baby or anything else that might be interpreted by him as something good happening to anybody BUT John Canzano. This is a guy who could find fault with Sullenberger landing in the Hudson, If this self-absorbed, spin-to-win doom donkey really searched for a story’s pulse he just might be surprised to find it somewhere besides his own ass.
by ACDuck on Nov 4, 2009 8:37 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
The only time he's written something really nice about the Ducks
Is about the Reaper shirts last week, and that was no doubt partially because $1.50 from every shirt was being donated to his foundation.
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"spin-to-win doom donkey"
along with it’s context, putting that one away in my little box of heralded quotes, that was hilarious
uber-rec’d!
by Bill Musgrave on Nov 4, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
What would Allen Iverson think...
Exhibition? I mean, listen, we’re talkin’ about exhibition, not a game, not a game, not a game, we talking about exhibition, not a game.
By the grace of Juju, we all are day-to-day.
'Cuse is good for one demeaning loss a year.
Last year it was Cleveland State (granted a good team last season).
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Is it just me or is Oregon rather poorly served media-wise?
From the Oregononian pool of reporters, zilch, esp the guys with an AP vote.
We get more support from other media people outside of Oregon long before our local guys notice we have a good team and go rah-rah for us. It’s a shame that Heisman Pundit has us ranked higher long, long before any Oregon journalist.
Very disappointing. Very few people (Rob Moseley would be the exception) who I even want to read (to just avoid getting irritated, bummed out, pissed off on a regular basis).
Chris Dufresne of the LA TImes is another good writer (but the LA Times has this annoying auto-start ad by Clear that comes on so I stopped going there).
Two thoughts on that:
Twice as a sports editor in college I had to stand before the AD and answer the “Why aren’t you more supportive of our teams?” question (ran a pic of one of our wrestler’s getting pinned [we lost at every weight that night] and I ripped the baseball coach for acting like a D-bag). It absolutely is not their job to go rah-rah for the Ducks. Their job is to provide detailed and accurate reporting, and, if they do a column or blog, provide insights utilizing contacts that most of us don’t have access to.
Also, I believe that many of them fear being labeled as a “homer”. That can be a credibility killer. Credibility is everything to a journalist. I think that many of them are guilty of trying too hard not to look anything but objective. Perfect example – Dan Fouts’ reaction to the Oklahoma on-side kick mess. He over-efforting not to look like an Oregon homer.
That said, I agree with you, gamedaytribe, that some of the in-state media have been slow to embrace how good this team is. That could be some of the above at work. It could also be them waiting for proof. The win over Utah looked good, but the boys played a little sketchy and there were questions about Utah’s quality. The win over Cal was a statement, then lost a little luster when Cal laid an egg against USC as well. Wins over UCLA and UW, meh, still didn’t prove elite status. Few media types have been willing to take a leap of faith with this team…until now.
By the grace of Juju, we all are day-to-day.
Yeah, completely understand the requirement to be objective.
I’m not asking for irrational exuberance, or rah-rah homerism. Really, I’m not.
However, this is College Football. Unlike any other sport, the fate of your team in this sport is decided by public perception. Not just any public, but specifically selected slice of the public – namely Coaches Poll voters, Harris voters, Heisman voters.
What sports journalists write about you matters a lot. Don’t get me wrong, of course what you do on the field matters. You lose, you lose. But there is no getting past the fact that some teams are given a pass, some teams don’t. It may or may not be fair. It just is.
One other obstacle Oregon and Oregon State face is that we’re on late, nobody outside of the Left Coast watches our games. Their fans don’t watch, their media doesn’t watch, and the coaches certainly don’t get to watch (logistically speaking, I understand that). So the only people who really know local teams well, and their caliber, are our local media.
USC has been the face of the PAC 10 (deservedly so for their accomplishments, but would be true even if they weren’t good, I suspect, much like Notre Dame).
So I’d like something better on 2 fronts.
It’s depressing to see Oregon lower on local voters ballots than on ESPN, HP, and even California journalist ballots, for god’s sakes. Are the other teams across the nation (SEC, looking at you!) really that good? Or is it just that we see them day after day in big games, on tv, in bowl games, and consistently high in the rankings. Are we getting brainwashed?
And secondly, quite apart from things like ranking – just be a little less negative. I’m not a crazy optimist, but I have a 7-1 record on predicting Duck winners this season (@#$%! BOISE). I shouldn’t be right more often than a professional journalist. Perhaps this is just a curious year, I’ll grant you that.
I don't know what you are talking about
Maybe you’re just looking at it from an insider, but as an outsider, Oregon is the media hogs. They got all the preseason hype. All the post-Boise State hoopla, and now they are getting all the Rose Bowl/National Championship/BCS hoopla.
Trust me, just because Canzano isn’t a fan, doesn’t mean the rest of the media isn’t. Big Suke (Issac and Suke, 1080 The Fan) sucks off Oregon likes its going out of style. Listen to 95.5 any time Canzano is not on. Comcast Sportsnet and 95.5 are DEDICATED to Oregon, AS WELL AS the Oregon Sports Network. In a given week, they may talk about the Beavers a few times. And usually, its linked to Oregon.
I’m not trying to sound like a bitter punk. I’m just saying I think you need to take a look at the media outside of Canzano, because even I know he can be a little odd. Oregon is the flagship university of the state, and the media knows who pays the bills. You’re just fine
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by The VD Special on Nov 4, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
I think I gotta agree more with VD on this. Though, my real opinion lies in a combination of both VD and JConant.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-U-N-S-U-R-E-O-F-H-I-M-S-E-L-F"
my real opinion lies in a combination of both VD and JConant.
Get your own opinion! You really are unsure of yourself, aren’t you?
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by The VD Special on Nov 4, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
NAILED IT!
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on Nov 4, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
lies in a combination of both VD and JConant.
Sounds like a hell of a Tuesday night.
It's spelled "T-A-K-O-T-U-E-S-D-A-Y-S-!-!-!."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
We had room for one more, but you wouldn’t answer your phone
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by The VD Special on Nov 4, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Also, you gotta remember...
Canzano was the guy calling out people for not going to Portland State games because “we don’t want to make memories”. I would argue that Portland State is the 4th most important football team in this state, behind Oregon, OSU, and Linfield.
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by The VD Special on Nov 4, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Dwight Jaynes, Jr.
That’s what Canzano amounts to. Negative press sells more newspapers and mouseclicks I guess. The O needed somebody to squelch all the rainbows and flowers left behind after Jaynes took his vortex of hate to the Tribune.
I’ve trolled Canzano a few times on oregonlive; one time, he actually e-mailed me for a little back-and-forth about why he’s such a Negative Nancy.
“I just write what I think,” he said.
Sucks to be him, in that case.
by HoodRiverDuck on Nov 4, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
“I just write what I think will keep people talking about me,” he said.
By the grace of Juju, we all are day-to-day.
And we keep doing it, too.
/facepalm
On the bright side, at least we have Rob Moseley.
by HoodRiverDuck on Nov 4, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
We have found the obvious solution to Canzano,
Multiple times. Hedberg quotes. And a hell of a lot of them
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I was primarily talking voters, and those who influence voters
Not so much local coverage. i.e., the impact on national perceptions and rankings (given how lousy our current BCS system is).
Definitely agree on the stuff you’re talking about.
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
We must all appease Juju this week. Phil Steele has picked the Ducks, and even gave a Quack Quack.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Supplicate people! Supplicate!
I want to see prostration, sackcloth, and ashes up in here! Hey, Matt Daddy! I see you eating over there. Fast, damn it!
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He's screaming at us
Lots of ALL CAPS WORDS so that it looks like he’s SHOUTING!
I still think he must have secret Husky lineage to be doubting us so much.
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This makes me feel sick, Phil Steele is never right!
I have added an extra thirty floggings and forty “I hate myself” repetitions to my weekly self loathing routine.
Thanks a lot Phil Steele, you douchebag.
by Bill Musgrave on Nov 4, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
FWIW, I still think that being ranked above us will be bad for Boise in the medium run (after this season, but before we finally kill the current BCS system). No one will want to play them, because the consequences of losing will be worse than those of beating a comparable BCS team, while the benefits of winning against the Broncos are less than those of winning against a comparable BCS team. It’s a lose-lose situation.
If playing a BCS team is better if I lose, and playing a BCS team is better if I win, and I have the same chance of winning against the BCS team or Boise, why would I play Boise?
"Baton Rouge happens to be the worst place in the world for a visiting team. It's like being inside a drum."~Bear Bryant
"Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die."~The Michigan Daily
And I’d just like to explicitly point out that I’m not making an argument for or against Boise being ranked above us. I’m making an argument that being ranked above us, whether they should or not, will probably turn out to have negative effects for Boise.
"Baton Rouge happens to be the worst place in the world for a visiting team. It's like being inside a drum."~Bear Bryant
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by AllSaintsDay on Nov 4, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
They really need to get out of the WAC. I just can’t take them seriously over an entire season with that schedule (especially when they squeak out a few wins each year).
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
It’s true, and because of this, now Boise will say “Not only is it not our fault that our conference stinks, but we can’t get anyone to agree to an OOC game either! Our SoS is not our fault!” And it will be a legitimate argument.
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I don’t think that will be legitimate gripe. They will still have a chance to schedule hard teams. They’ve eschewed Fresno State style scheduling in favor of building sustained conference successful.
However, getting home and homes will be hard, especially against the big boys. They’ll have to do like they do next year and play single away games (next year against VT in DC). If they want to compete for a national title, that’s what they’ll have to do (and they’re gonna have to do that financially as well).
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
They are also playing in Corvallis next year. If they come away with wins in both those games, and then win out, they will have the first legitimate argument they’ve had ever
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by The VD Special on Nov 4, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Ugh, I hope it doesn’t come to that. I will just be unable to take them seriously over an entire season as long as they are in the WAC.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
It’s not that easy just to up and leave the WAC, though. It’s not like shopping for a TV. Oh hey, we don’t like this one, so we’ll take it back and get a different one. So there really isn’t THAT much they can do besides aggressively scheduling OOC.
And if teams won’t schedule them because the downside is WAY bigger than the upside, how is that Boise’s fault? Yeah, I’m playing a little bit of devil’s advocate here, but I think that’s a legitimate argument.
There’s a chance that Boise is actually the best team in college football right now. I know, that sounds ridiculous, and the chance isn’t all that great, but it’s there. That is a very good football team. And if they win two road games against potentially top 25 BCS conference schools, there’s not much more they can do. The only team to do that OOC this year was USC.
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The mythical national championship isn’t about who tried the hardest or making up for teams schedules.
It’s about who accomplished the most on the field in that season. Is that Boise State’s fault? No. But that’s just the way college football goes. Making excuses for them rather than objectively looking at what they’ve accomplished makes me much more angry than the fact they can’t reach the highest high of college football.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I’m saying it’s not mythical. Boise could very well deserve to play for a NC. They objectively beat a very good Oregon team (and really, they pretty much dominated that game). If they objectively beat two very good teams next year, what more can they do? It has nothing to do with them “trying hardest” and everything to do with them actually being “good.”
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If they accomplish more than other teams, then yes. But that will be very very difficult for them to do, because of their schedule.
It has nothing to do with “what more can they do” and everything to do with, what did they do?
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I really would hate to be a BSU fan. Really. You do all you can, and still can’t get respect. BSU’s AD needs to work his ass off to get them out of the WAC.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-U-N-S-U-R-E-O-F-H-I-M-S-E-L-F"
They need to start scheduling three legitimate non-conference games. At the very least, play a team from a BCS conference, and one of the big 3 from the MWC (Utah, TCU, BYU). Playing one game at home doesn’t say anything about your team. Even Stanford wins at USC now and then
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by The VD Special on Nov 4, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
they need to just get into the MWC
with the three you mentioned and BSU, the MWC could get an automatic bid. If you took all the best sub BCS teams from the west, throw in a Houston, you could make a conference better than the ACC.
The Ducks' 27-point margin was one more than the margins of all seven of USC's losses since 2004 combined.
Could argue that demoting CU into the MWC,
And upgrading Houston or Boise in there as well would make for one hell of a new conference.
Better than the Big East, and maybe the ACC
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Yeah. The schedule has set it up so that there’s no situation where it’s the logical choice to give them a ton of respect.
(Okay, so now I am making a point about where they should be ranked.)
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by AllSaintsDay on Nov 4, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Bruce Feldman - ESPN
just “tweeted” that Boise reached out to 10 top programs for games in 2011 and got turned down by all of them. not a home and home.
another QB from the “south” sure likes the ducks:
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiting/tracker/school?page=onthetrail&season=2010&schoolId=2483
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Smith doesn’t have an offer yet (has some grade issues), but he loves the Ducks. Getting a 2011 QB committed this early would be awesome.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Please offer!
C’mon Chip! Offer!
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The Ducks are being incredibly picky with the offers that they are giving out in 2011… I like that :)
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
This kid seems very talented,
Not to mention he is from a region of the country that will be very valuable for future recruiting ventures. Increasing exposure down there may go a long way for us :)
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Also, this BSU thing is really interesting. Here’s Feldman’s full tweets:
Boise thru ESPN reached out to 10 elite programs offering to host BSU in 2011. No one accepted. WAC Commish just told me he’s not surprised.
Boise wasn’t even askin 4 a home-and-home, just 1 road game. Said WAC’s Karl Benson “It’s one of the consequences of Boise State’s success.”
So, maybe I was wrong above. It’d be interesting to know which schools BSU contacted and their schedule issues. They’re gonna have to keep pressing for single road games if they’re serious about getting a shot at a national champ. And they also need to jump the WAC as soon as they freaking can.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
It's because of the crap BCS system
who has an incentive (financially or from a program standpoint) to schedule them?
If you beat BSU, they immediately drop from the top 25 because they play no one else strong enough to bring their ranking up again later, so in essence it doesn’t help your SOS. If you lose to BSU, well we know what happens then.
Financially, if you are an “elite” program your games are going to be televised, your stadiums are going to be sold out. You barely gain anything. Not sure if BSU was asking for compensation to play away, but I would think it wouldn’t matter. Look at Florida. They schedule garbage OOC games this year, and I guarantee you they didn’t lose a dime doing so.
Kenny Wheaton #20; The Pick - 1994 v UW. Matthew Harper #20; The Pick #2 - 2007 v USC. John Boyett #20;...
Exactly. At some point, there’s really nothing BSU can do. They can’t completely sell out their fans by scheduling nothing but away games. But even when they do try that, they get shut out because teams have wisened up to the risk – reward aspect of playing a mid-major that will be favored by a touchdown in every single one of its remaining games.
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Aparently there is something BSU can do.
Or at least try to do.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4623676
Oh, it’s a easy, downhill walk to the apocalypse, where Blount’s lawyer, and the BSU PR frim maintain addresses.
PS to BSU fanbase: before you explain to me how necessary this is – I wish it wasn’t, I think you beat us and it won’t sit well with me if we are given a better opportunity than you at the end of the year (if both win out).
PR firms and lawyers? Oh lo the day when all I had to bitch about was crazy uniforms.
GET OFF MY LAWN.
by Bill Musgrave on Nov 4, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
Is it really because of the BCS system? The situation is all in the polls. We’re more likely to jump them now that we have rankings that use all math than we would have been 10 or 15 years ago.
I think it’s just the nature of stats. You have a system that puts a ton of weight on one particular data point, it’s going to cause you issues.
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by AllSaintsDay on Nov 4, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
There is almost no point
its also why a program like ND won’t play us. Until we win a national title (and that’s when and not if) the “traditional powers” know we can beat them but their fans will give them crap if they lose because they “lost to Oregon”.
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Go Vandals
Really. That would be about as sweet a BSU loss as I could imagine, even if it does hurt our apparent SOS.
Of all the retarded little brothers out there in college football, BSU’s retarded little brother Idaho is some kind of new mutant retard with extra chromosomes galore.
Rivalry game? Idaho = 7-2 (wtf!)? I’m an interested party.
Also, what’s really fun is that it really won’t hurt our SOS all that much. BSU will stay top 20, and we have enough strength of schedule that it really won’t affect us all that much.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Amen. I do feel sorry for Boise's situation - but don't know how to fix it
Other than my playoff proposal. We need a playoff system now.
LaMike jumps to #6 on ESPN.com’s Heisman Predictor.
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In the rivals one I saw today, he was at #5
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I might be in the minority on this one but I think Quizz deserves way more heisman talk than LMJ. It’s too bad OSU’s marketing department is a titanic-sized failboat
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Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Nov 4, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Understandable.
But, LMJ just impressed on one of the biggest stages this year. No marketing department can compete with that kind of recognition.
Agreed, Quizz does deserve more hype than he currently receives
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Agreed, Quizz does deserve more hype than he currently receives
Just what I was thinking. I think Quizz deserves Heisman talk, but I don’t think he
deserves way more heisman talk than LMJ.Whatever hype LMJ is getting, he’s earned. It’s just that Quizz hasn’t been marketed, and I sincerely do not feel he “deserves way more” hype than LMJ. Just me.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
No. Our marketing department doesn't have a titanic-sized wallet
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by The VD Special on Nov 4, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe if OSU could sell out their football stadium they would.
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by jtlight on Nov 4, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But Processed Foods Stadium is so big. How could you sell that out regularly?
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"Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die."~The Michigan Daily
You don't think that chimchangas are
O-VER-RA-TED?
"Baton Rouge happens to be the worst place in the world for a visiting team. It's like being inside a drum."~Bear Bryant
"Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die."~The Michigan Daily
Just wait until you get mexican food here in San Diego!
No way its overrated!
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My entire California experience to date has been two layovers at LAX.
That will change sometime Friday on the drive down to the Bay area.
Also, I has a new, better phone. Hopefully I can AtQ from Stanford Stadium.
"Baton Rouge happens to be the worst place in the world for a visiting team. It's like being inside a drum."~Bear Bryant
"Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die."~The Michigan Daily
LAX sucks.
It is a horrible representation of Ca!
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Yeah, I know. I basically usually go “I’ve never been to California. Well, I’ve been to LAX twice, but that’s it.”
"Baton Rouge happens to be the worst place in the world for a visiting team. It's like being inside a drum."~Bear Bryant
"Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die."~The Michigan Daily
That’s a shame. This great state has so many quality things to offer: incompetent leadership, unimaginable budget deficits, high taxes, traffic problems, recurring brush fires, earthquakes, and Disneyland.
Shit.
Well, the food is good at least.
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Thats only describing LA!
Oh, wait. San Diego has undoubtedly incompetent leadership (I’m talking about my ex-district and now incarcerated representative Randy Duke Cunningham!), fires, tourists (most dangerous people on earth), and quakes. Not to mention a pesky little drug trafficking problem. But that IT…
At least we have amazing Mexican food!
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Replace brush fires and earthquakes with hurricanes, and you could easily be talking about Louisiana.
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by AllSaintsDay on Nov 4, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
You have a Disneyland there?
I hope for your sake you don’t. Disneyland-“most miserable place on earth”
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Know what the best marketing is?
Winning.
Kenny Wheaton #20; The Pick - 1994 v UW. Matthew Harper #20; The Pick #2 - 2007 v USC. John Boyett #20;...
Quizz is terrific, but factor in LMJ's freshman status for what he's doing...
Tremendous. He at least should be in the conversation, as should Quizz.
Quizz was a freshman last year
Age shouldn’t matter
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by The VD Special on Nov 5, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Anybody know why?
BYU (6-2) is ranked below OU (5-3) when BYU beat them head to head???
I do not want to start this head to head polling debate. I just like pointing out hypocrisy in the voters.
The Ducks' 27-point margin was one more than the margins of all seven of USC's losses since 2004 combined.
Most likely because BYU was just blown out of the water against TCU,
Granted TCU is a great team. Not to mention OU has more “brand recognition” so to speak.
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you can't just blindly take head-to-head
I mean, how many people are going to vote Washington over USC?
If Florida had a 8-1 schedule but had gotten upset by some non-BCS
school pastry puff (e.g. Appalachian State, just pretend), and that school
won every game in its conference – would you really, really vote App. State
over Florida?
Head-to-Head AND better record isn't blindely voting them ahead
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by The VD Special on Nov 4, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Head-to-Head AND better record is not automatic, either, is my point
Not blindly, admittedly, but my point is that head-to-head and better record is also not an automatic – see my example.
Because it’s easy to get wins if you play weak teams. If you rarely play tough teams, you’re not going to lose very often. For teams who play tough games day-in, day-out, they’re statistically much more likely to lose one, even if they’re the better team.
If Boise and Oregon played 100 games, then perhaps we’d have enough data to tell who’s the better team – assuming all other factors were kept the same. It’s logistically too hard in real life. And our current football system is even less so (wildly varying conference strenghts, plus some conferences don’t even play every team in their own conference each year).
It’s not a level playing field, is what I’m saying. That’s why SOS is so important. That’s why the computers have Boise below Oregon in most of the computer formulas.
If it’s not a level playing field, then you should take wins-losses only with a grain of salt.
Because they got their asses handed to them
In their two losses, both at home. Oklahoma has lost 3 times by a total of five points.
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Then this becomes a game of chicken or egg
Oklahoma lost to BYU, who got spanked at home twice. So while yes, BYU got spanked at home twice, they still beat Oklahoma AND have a better record.
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by The VD Special on Nov 4, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
There are no absolutes
So if team A beats team B on day D under conditions C (because, really, there ARE that many variables that could sway the result), all you can conclude is that Team A beat team B on day D under conditions C.
Of course, we being impatient and greedy humans dissatisfied without quick answers and requiring instant gratification, conclude Team A is better than Team B. If we have enough data from other sources or just strong preconceived notions either way, and we expected Team B to win, than it’s an upset.
OK, there are some absolutes, I was only trying to make a point.
But really, to get an accurate estimate of who’s the better team, you probably need many games under identical conditions. That’s why the NBA and MLB have such long regular seasons. It gives quality a chance to rise. Anybody can win one game. Or two.
Am I Misreading This?
jtlight;
I’m not used to reading off-base statements from you, but this looks like one at 1st glance:
“•Nick Daschel looks at the Pac-10’s hot coordinators, and I gotta say, not the most inspiring group (Nick Alliotti is the top coordinator, according to Daschel).”
If Aliotti isn’t “hot”, I’d like to hear your definition of the word!
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