Quack Fix: Moving on from defeat, weekend basketball roundup
by jtlight on Nov 9, 2009 7:01 AM PST
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PrintWell, that was a tough weekend. Hats off to Stanford for executing a perfect gameplan on Saturday. And now, we move on.
- As much as this loss stinks, it's important to remember that while it killed any outside chances at the BCS title game, the Ducks still control their own destiny to the Rose Bowl. And they'll get back out there today and work for that. For more player reaction, make sure to check out the videos after the jump.
- Though the Ducks dropped in the polls, ESPN picked up next week's Oregon/ASU game for a national telecast, with kickoff set for 7:20 PST.
- In terms of where the Duck football stands nationally, the big question is, "how in the world can Oregon be ranked below USC?" Chip Kelly isn't sure, and even Pete Carroll finds it surprising.
- Dom had us covered for all things basketball yesterday, but if you missed it, the Oregon men's basketball team won an exhibition game over Lewis and Clark by the score of 74-59. This game ends exhibition, with games that count starting on November 13th.
- For a bit more on the men's basketball team, All Pac-10 has their Oregon preview up, and picks the Ducks to finish 6th in the conference.
- The Duck women have really been shining, scoring 109 for it's second and final exhibition game, this one against Western Oregon. Whatever happens with the women's basketball team, it should be exciting to watch as new coach Paul Westhead pushes his players to play at a ridiculous pace.
After the jump, we have a bunch of videos, including basketball highlights, a breakdown of the Pac-10 this week, and post game reaction from the Duck football team.
Inside the Pac
Highlights from the men's basketball teams victory over Lewis and Clark
Highlights from the women's basketball teams victory over Western Oregon
Casey Matthews after Stanford
Jeff Maehl after Stanford
Jeremiah Masoli after Stanford
LaMichael James after Stanford
Mark Asper after Stanford
Spencer Paysinger after Stanford
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The players seem optimistic,
CK seemed to pick them up pretty well.
47-20, 42-3, 65-38...So many scores to choose from!
"Nobody east of the Rockies talks about Oregon football, and that's just not right".
Yeah, this really didn’t feel like a letdown. The team fought hard, and got beat by a better team that day…
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
A better team, or a team playing out of their minds flawless football?
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
Well, they were better that day because they played pretty much out of their minds….
I’m re-watching the Chip Kelly show. Just a very frustrating day. We didn’t get any breaks, couldn’t get stops. Ugh.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
straighten me out here, gang, I thought the NC game was the rose bowl this
year. So what would that portend should we win out?
A few years ago, they added an additional game that was just the national championship game.
So we can still go to the Rose Bowl, and then about… a week later the rose bowl will host the national championship game.
It's spelled "S-H-U-G-O-T-F-E-L-T-U-P"
Yes in 2006
Because we got screwed in 2005 out of a BCS bid while we would have made it in 2006 with the extra game.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Don't forget
That we got screwed twice in 2001. One, if they would have had this extra game, we would have gone to the Rose Bowl instead of the Fiesta Bowl, and people could stop talking about this artificial Rose Bowl drought. Two, we should have been in the Rose Bowl in the first place over a Nebraska team that got steamrolled by Colorado.
/I know this isn’t really relevant, but it’s Monday and I’m a little grumpy
Defending maligned chants since 2009
If anybody is interested in watching the full Men's Basketball game
Goducks.tv has it for free (they had most of the football games too, not sure if they still do)
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
This still confounds me... all love affair aside..
Kelly said the decision not to play freshman cornerback Cliff Harris, who received sparse playing time in the USC and Stanford games, rests with secondary coach John Neal and defensive coordinator Nick Aliotti.
Can someone help me understand why…I’m lost?
Kenny Wheaton #20; The Pick - 1994 v UW. Matthew Harper #20; The Pick #2 - 2007 v USC. John Boyett #20;...
I agree….
Lewis was absolutely torched early in the game.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Though I also feel that Neal has done a superb job with the secondary, and has earned the benefit of the doubt.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I agree, I will definitely give him the benefit of the doubt
But Lewis was getting beat in the USC game too. I just don’t understand how you continue to have him at corner… this is something I hope to see remedied or explained before we play Arizona. I definitely don’t want to see Lewis trying to cover those receivers…
Kenny Wheaton #20; The Pick - 1994 v UW. Matthew Harper #20; The Pick #2 - 2007 v USC. John Boyett #20;...
Lewis is much more physical, which made sense against USC. Not so much against Stanford.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I was screaming for CHarris from the stands
And haven’t watched the playback yet – so from my skewed perspective it seemed that Boyet was getting torched over the middle early and TJ3 was getting torched at the corner later on. CHarris came in for a few plays early in the game, and then again in the 4th. When he came in late I smiled as I thought they would go after him… But the first play went against Lewis for about 20 yards. I don’t remember them throwing anything against him after that point either – but again I haven’t watched it back…
I heart Cliff Harris and hope we see more this year – especially before it gets too late in the game again…
Both gold and muck come out of the same shaft...
Boyett had his worst game so far. He has been great on coverage all year, and was repeatedly burned in the 1st quarter. And really, that first quarter changed everything. I think that one of the reasons our secondary has been so successful is that we’ve had great free safety play, which has allowed the corners to play with confidence. That was totally absent this game.
TJ3 gave up some long plays, but I thought he did a good job for the most part, and a lot of the plays he gave up you have to just tip your hat to the other team.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
TJ3 was there on every play
The WR just made a better play. I think Boyett was too concerned in making sure he could come up and help stop the run.
I have to question Ward being in the lineup with Boyett. I love Ward, I’m not saying I want him out. But our secondary has looked more suspect than usual with him in there. I think Lewis and Boyett had great chemistry in the secondary and I wonder how much Ward really has with those guys guven that the safety play is such a “play by feeling” type situation.
Kenny Wheaton #20; The Pick - 1994 v UW. Matthew Harper #20; The Pick #2 - 2007 v USC. John Boyett #20;...
I'm no defensive expert
So this is a legitimate question. How much do you blame the cornerback when a play gets made that he could have prevented if he’d just turned around. I’m sure you all remember the play I’m referring to. It was a deep pass (to Whalen, I believe) and I think TJ3 was covering. It was a great pass and a great play by the receiver, but all TJ3 had to do was turn around and he could have either picked it or at least knocked it down.
The announcers called it great coverage and just a better play by the offense. And certainly it was great coverage. But shouldn’t the corner have seen the receiver’s eyes tracking the ball and turned around to defend the pass? I’m just not sure what the right play is there.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I don't even think...
the receiver knew where the ball was until it was in his chest. It was that ridiculous of a pass.
Should have
But very few players in the NFL could have made that play. Let alone our young D.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
A lot of it depends on the timing and the height differential. Shorter DBs need to get a jump on the ball early and WRs need to stretch out their hands for the catch as late as possible so they don’t telegraph the ball to the DB. Though sometimes they try to telegraph the ball early on aggressive DBs to they can try to get a PI call.
It's spelled "S-H-U-G-O-T-F-E-L-T-U-P"
As jtlight said below, and I didn’t mention… the reason why they need to make the timing on the jump is because their eyes aren’t on the QB or the ball, they keep their eye on their assigned receiver in man-to-man coverage. So turning around to look for the ball can make you lose momentum and let the receiver loose.
DBs can usually tell when the ball is thrown by the receiver’s change of direction or speed to compensate for the ball’s direction/angle/velocity. If it goes up high, that usually gives the CB a good idea of when he can jump up and spin 180 looking for the ball.
Most INTs come from zone coverage. Either the FS in a cover 2 man makes a play on the ball, or the corners run their own zone. Byrd was a mad machine at the zone coverage.
It's spelled "S-H-U-G-O-T-F-E-L-T-U-P"
Don’t forget that in man and zone, you can also bait the QB into making throws and either peel off your man, or make a break on the ball after it is thrown (i.e. Cliff Harris against UW)
I think TJ3 was in great position on Saturday, the WR just made a better play on the ball. In those “jump ball” situations you definitely want to be tracking the man and look for the ball at the last possible second.
Kenny Wheaton #20; The Pick - 1994 v UW. Matthew Harper #20; The Pick #2 - 2007 v USC. John Boyett #20;...
That’s just not how he plays CB. Most CBs have no idea where the ball is, especially when playing man-to-man like that. Turning around just doesn’t work, you lose too much time when trying to track the ball.
TJ3 had excellent coverage, and that’s how he’s played coverage all year. Playing like that, IMO, is a much better idea than trying to track the ball, which can lead to disaster. It’s obvious this is how TJ3 and other CBs have been coached on these plays, and over the length of the season, it’s for the best.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
That makes sense. Like I said, I’m no expert on the methods of cornerback play. From a fan’s perspective it was extremely frustrating. It seemed like it was more luck than anything else (truly, no pun intended there). Certainly it was a great throw and catch by the receiver, but inches one way or the other and the ball hits TJ3 and bounces harmlessly away.
Ugh, just painful to think about.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Nick from Off the Pond has an excellent post on the Ducks Rose Bowl chances. Long story short, win out, or prepare for El Paso.
A very similar situation to 2000, unfortunately.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Cal Golden Blogs runs through some scenarios as well. If Oregon loses another game, things will get ugly and crazy.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Dr Saturday says it best
I was typing up a long harangue about the polls, not believing my eyes when I read them (although should I really have expected any better?). But luckily Dr Saturday said it better.
I'm headed to the game saturday
And don’t want to drive back to Portland after such a late game. Anyone got a hotel they know just outside of town that’s decent (since everything in town is booked)?
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
If you don't mind just a bit of a drive
Cottage Grove is about 15 miles south of Eugene on 1-5, a nice Best Western there.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Jay Allen reporting on 95.5 in Portland...
Oregon has re-instated LeGarrette Blount. Available to play this Saturday against ASU.
Kenny Wheaton #20; The Pick - 1994 v UW. Matthew Harper #20; The Pick #2 - 2007 v USC. John Boyett #20;...
Wanna put that in a fanpost and then I’ll front page, since you heard the report?
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
sure
Kenny Wheaton #20; The Pick - 1994 v UW. Matthew Harper #20; The Pick #2 - 2007 v USC. John Boyett #20;...
its up
Kenny Wheaton #20; The Pick - 1994 v UW. Matthew Harper #20; The Pick #2 - 2007 v USC. John Boyett #20;...
And ESPN gets their wish
They get to talk about that all week.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Are you ready to see the punch shown 20 times on saturday night! I can’t wait!
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Reply fail
I’ll be at the game, so no.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I've been sucker punching people at work and then explaining afterwards what I was simulating.
Running out of supportive coworkers for some reason.
GEEEEEERHAAAAAAARRRT!!!!!!
(arms and eyes to sky, ala Stephen Colbert)
by Bill Musgrave on Nov 9, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
The Bachelor...
just took the ranking to task for having USC over Oregon. Pretty funny how even ESPN now is ripping on the ranking system.
Its complete BS
USC is a fan fav., and they even see it as F’d up that they are in front of Oregon. Off with their (whoever was an idiot and voted like this) heads
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
Yeah, it’s completely ridiculous. But it’s also predictable. I stood outside of Stanford Stadium Saturday saying with confidence that SC would jump us in the polls.
"Baton Rouge happens to be the worst place in the world for a visiting team. It's like being inside a drum."~Bear Bryant
"Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die."~The Michigan Daily
how’s that great road win at Notre Dame look now? it’ll look worse when they lose to Pitt and Stanford…maybe to even UConn…so they beat tOSU on the road and survived OS.
not sure what that says about they’re SOS compared to ours. oh yeah, their offense is still very mediocre…
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Nov 9, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Do any of us even care?
Really?
BCS standing is meaningless jarble for all I’m concerned. The only stat that matters, Pac-10 ranking.
Defense, Im talking to you! You want to kill this Osweiler fella...Come on defense, FOCUS god dammit!
I respect you Juju, you and your gorgeous brilliance
Almost spot on,
Jarble is just a word I made up off the top of my head to describe the BCS…Exactly like Garble, just more severe.
Defense, Im talking to you! You want to kill this Osweiler fella...Come on defense, FOCUS god dammit!
I respect you Juju, you and your gorgeous brilliance
Went to the basketball game last night
Couple of things that you wouldn’t have heard on the radio broadcast:
Teondre Williams’ best-case scenario is the next Freddie Jones. Kid is explosive. Had a dunk, couple of sky-high rebounds, and a crazy out-of-bounds save where he jumped about four feet in the air.
Jamil Wilson doesn’t play like a true freshman. He’s got great court vision, including that alley-oop to Dunigan, and he’s physically ahead of the curve too. Needs work on his rebounding fundamentals, but so does the whole team
Malcolm Armstead looks like TP’s big brother. It’s very confusing.
Longmire could turn into a legit Pac-10 scorer over the next two years. He’s developed a good looking all-around offensive game, it’s just got to make the Leap.
The press looked good not great. It was disrupting their offensive flow, but they didn’t have a lot of trouble breaking it, and there were too many unnecessary reach-ins.
Boxing out needs to improve. L&C got way too many offensive rebounds.
It's spelled "T-A-K-O-T-U-E-S-D-A-Y-S-!-!-!."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Boxing out needs to improve. L&C got way too many offensive rebounds.
Why you make me cry?
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Whyyy must I cryyyy-yyy?
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
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