Personal Fowl: A Social Experiment
by JShufelt on Dec 21, 2009 5:15 PM PST
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PrintI have been stirring this idea around for a while, and as 2010 comes up, I've already got my eyes set on the 2010 football schedule.
I'm not gonna lie, the results from the SI poll about the rudest fans in the Pac-10 got a bit under my skin. However, I have heard a lot of crappy stories. If I had a dollar for every time I heard a story of someone's windshield getting bashed in because it had an OSU sticker in the window, I would be both rich, and making money in a really weird way (Mitch Hedberg for the win). Personally, I think 90% of the time I've heard these things, I think it's either hyperbole or a complete lie. But, the fans were polled and the results are that Oregon has the largest asshat per capita in the Pac-10.
I've tried to discuss the "rude fan" bit with other fans, and try to convince these fans that every fan base has its bad apples. However, almost every time I've had this discussion, or witnessed this discussion, someone has said, "You haven't walked around Autzen Stadium wearing (Opposing team colors/logo)".
So if that's what it takes to see how rude Oregon fans can get, that's what I'll have to do.
That's right. I am planning on going to every game next year dressed up as an opposing fan and document and publish my encounters. Hopefully with the help of another person, I'll even be able to capture some of this with a camera. Ideally, I would do this with another fan of the team I am "representing".
While it would cut a bit into my own tailgating, I would walk around the tailgate scene before the game. I won't try to be an antagonist. I'll work to represent the school and the fan base in a positive manner
I'll try to strike up a conversation with a few people, either by asking for directions, or ask about local places to go while I'm "in town".
There are some obstacles I will have to account for however.
I do not plan on cheering for the visiting team while the game is actually going on. I plan on remedying this by having a backpack with some clothes I can swap out. I realize this may not allow me to experience the whole "Autzen" experience, but I do have my loyalties. Convincing myself to wear an opponent's colors is difficult enough.
I don't particularly want to buy clothes for each game. So I'll either be asking for a hand-me-downs, scout craigslist/ebay, or try to borrow some from somebody. If all else fails, I can hopefully get some people to help sponsor my "trips" (All associated costs and fund-raising would be completely open and traceable)
Now a quick look at the home schedule for 2010, in no particular order:
I know nothing about New Mexico, other than they are in the Mountain West and the university is in Albuquerque (Which I learned most about Albuquerque from Bugs Bunny and Weird Al).
via northcountrypublicradio.org
As you can see, I have my research to do for New Mexico. What is a Lobo anyway?
Portland State Vikings
Ah... now we are getting to a more familiar territory. Canzano always pimps the PSU program and wants us "Portland Area" folks to support this team. They've been putting some money towards their advertisement campaign.
Why will this be easy for me to wear Portland State gear?
- It's local so it is easy to grab their garb.
- Their head coach has never lost a game at PSU.
- Their head coach has never won a game at PSU.
- I don't mind supporting them, despite Canzano telling me I should.
- And best of all, Nike clearly has an influence on their uniforms.
Why will this be difficult for me to wear Portland State gear?
- My ex is a student there, and I need to find any outlet I can to demonize her... So I'll just say she's studied under Lane Kiffen so she could become a PSU hostess, (That whore!).
- Canzano tells me to support the team.
Why will this be easy for me to wear UCLA gear?
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Why will this be difficult for me to wear UCLA gear?
- What's a Bruin anyway?
- I suspect wearing attire that can be related to Neuheisel could bring the wrath of some Oregon fans.
- Learning to properly spell Neuheisel.
- Avoiding making pedobear jokes.
- We do it better.
via cdn.zeatle.com
Not since Cleveland found its Brown has a color ever been so terrifying. What is really terrifying is the cleat marks of Toby Gerhart.
Why will this be easy for me to wear Stanford gear?
- Red brings out the color in my eyes.
- I'm rather fond of trees.
- People will immediately think I'm smart.
Why will this be difficult for me to wear Stanford gear?
- I'll have to pretend like I'm smart. I'll have to wear glasses or something.
- I'll have to pretend like I don't know what a full stadium looks like.
- I'll represent a significant percentage of their fan base.
So the Wildcats "Bear Down" despite being one of 8 Pac-10 teams without having anything to do with "Bears".
Why will this be easy for me to wear Arizona gear?
- I'll feel patriotic wearing Red, White and Blue. I might even look in the mirror during the Star Spangled Banner.
- I've had 15 years of experience knowing what it is like to not go to the Rose Bowl.
- I'll look "edgy" by saying I think Stoops should be fired.
Why will this be difficult for me to wear Arizona gear?
- I'm know nothing about basketball, which is an Arizona pride.
- I'll feel like an idiot saying "Bear Down".
- Blue makes my butt look big.
Why will this be easy for me to wear Washington gear?
- Because it will be a lot of fun to practice my extreme arrogance? I'm grasping a straws here.
Why will this be difficult for me to wear Washington gear?
- Of all the games on the schedule, this one scares me the most. I've had bad interactions with Husky fans while in the state of Washington.
- In the original SI poll, Washington voted for Oregon by the largest margin.
- I specifically don't own anything purple or gold for a reason.
- The nature of a deep rival hatred, especially when Oregon openly has the greater hate.
In closing, if anyone has any additional ideas to improve this social experiment, or if anyone can provide knowledge as the season approaches, I'll be more than receptive. Also, feedback if this is a "good idea" or a "bad idea" would be encouraged as well.
Please note, any "rude" comment made in this fanpost should be taken as a comment made with tongue-in-cheek.
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Wow...
This is very unorthodox on your part. If I see you, I will be sure to mug you. I have a reputation to live up to after all!
Juju, you have already blessed the Duck masses by diverting Terrelle Pryor to Columbus Ohio; and in the process granted us one magical Masoli who happens to be "sicker than E-Coli (I know from experience with E-Coli, Masoli must be pretty damn sick)". We are all mutually gracious for this blessing. However, in our time of dearest need, we request that one Terrelle Pryor succumb to your overwhelming collegiate football dictation skillz.
Your very own Humble servant,
CaDuck
Wow,
It appears that I have managed to learn something today. I never learned the term “lobo” in my 3 years of spanish
Juju, you have already blessed the Duck masses by diverting Terrelle Pryor to Columbus Ohio; and in the process granted us one magical Masoli who happens to be "sicker than E-Coli (I know from experience with E-Coli, Masoli must be pretty damn sick)". We are all mutually gracious for this blessing. However, in our time of dearest need, we request that one Terrelle Pryor succumb to your overwhelming collegiate football dictation skillz.
Your very own Humble servant,
CaDuck
I thought she was a basketball player for the Lady UConn Huskies
Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State..just another OSU. Free Dennis Dixon!!!
Married to Rick Rielly nee SI writer.
When asked what it was like to be married to her he said, “Pretty nice when there’s a light bulb to be changed.”
"We'll go."
not married to Rick Reilly
she is married to Steve Rushin, who is also an SI writer.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
I would join you, but this sounds like a terrible idea.
It's spelled "T-H-E-I-M-P-A-C-T"
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Sounds like a great social experiment
yet I believe that what you will find to be is no more or less anecdotal evidence than that which has been presented by the opposite side this entire time.
Who knows, maybe you’ll get bum rushed and beat the crap out of every game. Maybe you will be treated graciously and accepted by all Oregon fans you meet. Is your “evidence” going to be more or less meaningful than the thousands of “You haven’t walked around Autzen Stadium wearing (Opposing team colors/logo)” opinions that already exist?
Personally, I love the idea. If I had the time, money and energy to do it, I would. I can guarantee you I will be one of the first to read your reports after each game and experience. I just have to wonder, what does it really accomplish except force you to buy other schools gear (give them money) and give me some entertainment.
Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State..just another OSU. Free Dennis Dixon!!!
Having a legitimate response to “You haven’t walked around Autzen wearing enemy colors” would be pretty cool, though.
I still point out that time a Boise State player lost his temper and some of our fans made the way down to the exit tunnel to taunt and maybe attack him. And that time all of Autzen was raining debris down on Arizona players and hospitalized a Wildcat cheerleader. And of course, some of our fans spray-painted a beaver green and yellow before the Civil War.
The soul of New Orleans...
Go Ducks, Geaux Tigers, Go Braves, Go Hornets, and most of all WHO DAT!
Yeah, that's two college teams. I don't care. Go Huskers, too.
by AllSaintsDay on Dec 21, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
And that time we politely golf-clapped for those Cardinal fans!
Wait, have I lost sight of the game?
"[Juju] is a magical, fragile thing. It's when you've pleased the god of football, and he decides to shine his glorious bounty upon your team. If you anger him, he takes it away." --Hank Hill, paraphrased slightly
by ProbablyMonty on Dec 21, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
Did you ever have sight of it?
The soul of New Orleans...
Go Ducks, Geaux Tigers, Go Braves, Go Hornets, and most of all WHO DAT!
Yeah, that's two college teams. I don't care. Go Huskers, too.
by AllSaintsDay on Dec 21, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Unclear.
"[Juju] is a magical, fragile thing. It's when you've pleased the god of football, and he decides to shine his glorious bounty upon your team. If you anger him, he takes it away." --Hank Hill, paraphrased slightly
by ProbablyMonty on Dec 21, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
yet I believe that what you will find to be is no more or less anecdotal evidence than that which has been presented by the opposite side this entire time.
Without a doubt. Seriously… the windows being bashed in thing… Either some fans went completely apeshit one year, or there is a serious epidemic that should result in insurance claim research.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
Oh, and go to the athletic department’s surplus sale. They had a bunch of stuff from other schools, around half of it (I think) just among the other 9 conference schools.
The soul of New Orleans...
Go Ducks, Geaux Tigers, Go Braves, Go Hornets, and most of all WHO DAT!
Yeah, that's two college teams. I don't care. Go Huskers, too.
As I plan on carrying this over next year, I might give that a shot. However, I live in Portland, so… that kinda sucks too.
Ideally, Goodwill and Craigslist will be my go-to place.
If anyone knows another school’s fan looking to get rid of their old stuff, have them toss me an email and maybe I could toss a couple bucks their way.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
Then you'll NEED this info---
Having had the pleasure of tailgating with you, dude, I must urge you, when in New Mexico, to head down to the town of Hatch, the heart of chile country. Mapquest directions here.
About 2.5 hours to drive, and the best breakfast I’ve ever eaten, seen or heard of. Go for the huevos rancheros at Dora’s Cafe.
In fact, I may join you.
Life is a sport: Watch other people play it.
Being as New Mexico is a home game, I am not planning on going down to New Mexico for the game, as I will hopefully be watching it from my seat in Autzen stadium.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
Oops!
Well, hell, it’s STILL worth driving to Hatch from Oregon for breakfast at Dora’s.
Life is a sport: Watch other people play it.
Agreed
Been there, done Dora’s several times. A must, but only if you are stranded in Hatch, NM.
College--the best nine years of my life
by AZDeadHeadDuck on Dec 23, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
As part of the experiment, wouldn’t you have to act obnoxious half of the time and normal the other half?
Perhaps that’s where this comes from?
Or do you need two people doing this, one mellow, one obnoxious?
I believe that being obnoxious would only instigate it. If fans from other schools are being obnoxious, they should get crap back.
But you make a good point with being obnoxious will more likely brings out the crap out of others; however, a problem with doing it “half the time” is the sample size continually increases as it gets closer to kickoff. The larger the group of people you are around, the more likely it is you’ll come across some asshole of a fan.
I won’t be a “casual fan”. I believe part of representing a school well would be to show one’s pride for that school. So I’ll be trying to act excited or nervous… maybe even timid but when I came in contact with another Arizona fan, I’d shout out something like “Bear Down!” or “Go ’Cats!”. Part of my research prior to each game would be to learn these “fandomisms” as well as learning about the school itself.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
What will you do when CH3 returns a pick-6?
Or when Kenjon takes a kickoff to the house? If you cheer, you blow your cover. But, how can you not cheer?
Juju, you have already blessed the Duck masses by diverting Terrelle Pryor to Columbus Ohio; and in the process granted us one magical Masoli who happens to be "sicker than E-Coli (I know from experience with E-Coli, Masoli must be pretty damn sick)". We are all mutually gracious for this blessing. However, in our time of dearest need, we request that one Terrelle Pryor succumb to your overwhelming collegiate football dictation skillz.
Your very own Humble servant,
CaDuck
Like I said above:
I do not plan on cheering for the visiting team while the game is actually going on. I plan on remedying this by having a backpack with some clothes I can swap out. I realize this may not allow me to experience the whole “Autzen” experience, but I do have my loyalties. Convincing myself to wear an opponent’s colors is difficult enough.
The truth is, I simply can’t hide my excitement during the game. It is likely that all my interactions will take place before kickoff.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
As part of the experiment...
Can you walk around wearing the opposing team’s uniform in the case that they pull off a win at Autzen?
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I could probably switch back to the opposing team’s clothes after the game.
Hiding my excitement or sorrow might be difficult, but I think that could yield some interesting results.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
Sanchez
This is a cool idea, but frankly the sample size is way too small to be significant, so you’re mostly going to end up with anecdotal evidence. Having said that, if you’re really going to do this for all 6 home games it should give you a look at somewhat of a cross-section of Oregon fans.
This is a cool idea, but frankly the sample size is way too small to be significant, so you’re mostly going to end up with anecdotal evidence
Agreed, but hopefully I can get someone else to help me as they have a camcorder, and I can actually publish something beyond just something “anecdotal”.
I also intend to carry this over to the 2011 season as well. I’m hoping that after 12-13 games, I’ll have some sort of a bigger sample size. Another great thing would to get more people involved.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
Well, that’s the thing – let’s say you interact with 100 Ducks fans and 10 of them are assholes to you. It could very well be the case that 50% of Ducks fans are assholes and you happened to meet the nice ones, or that 1% of Ducks fans are assholes and you happened to run into a bunch of the assholes. In the sense that your margin of error could be pretty high (not sure how to calculate it for a given population).
I still think it’s a cool experiment, I’m just saying that the results may not necessarily be representative of Duckdom as a whole.
I’m just saying that the results may not necessarily be representative of Duckdom as a whole.
I totally agree with that. There’s also the fluctuation of “general admission” fans, additional alcohol consumption for night games, constantly changing variable of different teams, and season record all could influence Oregon fan reactions.
I can’t expect to get more people to participate, however, that would be great if it were organized in that way.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
In the sense that your margin of error could be pretty high (not sure how to calculate it for a given population).
Short answer, a sample of 100 would ensure you +/- 10% at worst.
If you run into 50 assholes in a hundred, you have 95% confidence that the true percentage is between 40% and 60%. If you run into 10 in a hundred, you have 95% confidence that the true percentage is between 4% and 16%. (So you’ve got at least 95% confidence it’s between 0% and 20%.)
The soul of New Orleans...
Go Ducks, Geaux Tigers, Go Braves, Go Hornets, and most of all WHO DAT!
Yeah, that's two college teams. I don't care. Go Huskers, too.
by AllSaintsDay on Dec 22, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
why are you using 5% as your standard deviation on a sample size of 100?
Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State..just another OSU. Free Dennis Dixon!!!
Standard deviation of a Bernoulli trial is σ=√( p(1-p) ), which is bound by .5.
Standard error is σ/√(n), so for n=100, it’s at most .5/10=.05.
The soul of New Orleans...
Go Ducks, Geaux Tigers, Go Braves, Go Hornets, and most of all WHO DAT!
Yeah, that's two college teams. I don't care. Go Huskers, too.
by AllSaintsDay on Dec 22, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
...
I hate you…
The soul of New Orleans...
Go Ducks, Geaux Tigers, Go Braves, Go Hornets, and most of all WHO DAT!
Yeah, that's two college teams. I don't care. Go Huskers, too.
by AllSaintsDay on Dec 22, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah – I was curious as to whether margin of error would be lower since you would be working with a limited total population of Ducks fans.
It certainly could be, but I think it’s big enough that there’s no effective difference from just assuming there are infinitely many of us.
The soul of New Orleans...
Go Ducks, Geaux Tigers, Go Braves, Go Hornets, and most of all WHO DAT!
Yeah, that's two college teams. I don't care. Go Huskers, too.
by AllSaintsDay on Dec 22, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
You shouldn't give than poll a second thought--and I can prove why
The #1 conference rival, with more than double any other school, is UCLA. UCLA? A program that hasn’t been relevant in, what, a decade?
Bad internet poll is bad.
While I said, “I’m not gonna lie, the results from the SI poll about the rudest fans in the Pac-10 got a bit under my skin.”
But in all honesty, that was hyperbole. it doesn’t bother me much that an internet poll said that. However, I’m not surprised from the results, nor do I think it was that far off.
I’ve been thinking of doing this before that poll ever came out. I just used the poll as a spring board. The stuff that really bothered me is how often this has been brought up, and I’ve read, “Yeah, you’ve never seen anything bad happen in Autzen, because you’ve never walked there wearing opposing team colors”
If that’s all it takes for me to see how Oregon fans really are… fine.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
Thanks in advance for "taking one for the team"
I like the idea.
A House of Spears > An Ingram
by Bill Musgrave on Dec 22, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's a good idea but..
If the 2010 season goes the way some people think it will go, (winning) then fans won’t be as rude after a win, then they would be after a loss. Especially if you’re not acting like an obnoxious fan after a win. My idea on the poll is that we have two rival fanbases voting against us (Beavers and Fuskies) while everyone else has one. Just my opinion.
Only losing THREE starters from the USC game. (Offense and Defense)
Ladies and Gentlemen your 2010-11 Oregon Ducks.
by QuackQuackAttack on Dec 22, 2009 5:12 PM PST reply actions
its spelled
ShutemptingJuJu to open a can of whoop ass by that one bad apple…
Both gold and muck come out of the same shaft...
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