Media Wednesday - Scouting the Enemy
by dvieira on Dec 9, 2009 10:01 AM PST
in Oregon Ducks Football
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The Civil War is behind us and we are on our way to the Rose Bowl. Media Wednesday seeks to do it's best Chip Kelly impression and work through film from the Ohio State Buckeyes. In this first installment, we bring to the table a montage of clips from Terrelle Pryor. It has been easy to bag on him because he didn't choose Oregon but this is still a very talented guy in the backfield for the Buckeyes and we are going to have our hands full with him.
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this has to be the greatest "no shit sherlock" media wednesday of all time.
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This was TP's scouting eval before the season...
We were convinced his arm had improved. We are no longer convinced.
The Rivalry, Esq.
"Ricky Stanzi is to interceptions as Journey is to 80s rock ballads...inextricably linked."
He almost has too much talent for his own good
He thinks he’s Brett Favre and that he can make plays he can’t. If he gets it together, watch out.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Is anyone else excited?
Two thirds of those highlights were against Toledo, Minnesota, and New Mexico St. Heck, Matt Daddy could have made some highlight reel plays against those three schools.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
by Gorbachav5 on Dec 9, 2009 11:49 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Took the words right out of my mouth.
"When LaMichael James decides he's going North. The foot goes in the ground and it's 0 to 60 now!" Jesse Palmer.
Note: Please read with sarcasm detector on. This is trash talk.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Don’t make me unleash Musgrave’s army of Pleasants on you!!!!
Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State..just another OSU.
Don't be silly
Their power is too great for you to wield. Only Musgrave has the strength of will to control such awesome force!
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Matt Daddy has full province over the Pleasant army.
Pulls puppet strings like Sauron,
lays hits like this beat to get your OOOOOOO on.
Now someone call sandwichgurl to finish this terrible rap and make another terrible video.
Whether he be met by rain, sleet, or DB's, the Maehlman always delivers.
by Bill Musgrave on Dec 9, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
So does that make you Morgoth then?
And your Eddie Pleasants are like balrogs?
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I'm going to answer "I think so" because I only kinda sorta know what yer talkin' 'bout.
Whether he be met by rain, sleet, or DB's, the Maehlman always delivers.
by Bill Musgrave on Dec 9, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
AWESOME!!!
Mr… um… sorry… President Musgrave sir… would you please send a battalion of Pleasants to one Gorby Gorbachav’s house and inflict as much pain as necessary on him until he admits that TJ3 got screwed out of all conference honors, that JShufelt is the punchline of jokes and not Matt Daddy, and finally have them bring me back his wife’s Jambalaya and couple of cold beers from his fridge.
Thank you President Musgrave. Your loyal constituent.
Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State..just another OSU.
I have signed the executive order, you may go to war with Russia.
MMMM, that is good Jambalaya. I’m not sure if it will be as good when it arrives for you in the mail.
Whether he be met by rain, sleet, or DB's, the Maehlman always delivers.
by Bill Musgrave on Dec 10, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
Heck, Matt Daddy could have made some highlight reel plays against those three schools.
Matt Daddy is the new JShufelt option! YAY!
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-V-I-O-L-A-T-E-D"
by JShufelt on Dec 9, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha!
Admit it Shu, you liked the attention. You masochist
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
Wow, Terrelle Pryor is a really mobile hard to bring down QB, I hope Kelly is able to find a QB to mimic his play in practices…
As for Pryor, my initial read is that Oregon has not had very much trouble with scrambling QB’s (see Locker). Also, I am really not scared of Pryor running away from our LBs like he does in this video. I hope he feels like he can outrun Pleasant, Ward and Paysinger while Matthews and Clay clog the middle. Oregon has had a lot of trouble with QBs who can stand in the pocket and make short quick accurate throws to slants, or on the money deep ball shots to WR.
I look for Oregon to keep the guy in the pocket and make him make reads and accurate throws. Also, shutting down their run game (they do have a big good O-line) is going to be important in forcing them to make those throws.
Lastly, anOSU is going to have to put up points to win this game, if they think they are going to be able to hold Oregon under 30, they are in for a Kelly sized treat.
Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State..just another OSU.
I hope he feels like he can outrun Pleasant, Ward and Paysinger
But Pryor runs a 3.2 Forty Yard Dash!
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-V-I-O-L-A-T-E-D"
Uhhh, no.
You see, in the time between our comments, his 40 time has dropped even farther. He now runs a sub 3 second forty. 2.98 seconds.
Wait, I’m getting breaking news that he just ran his forty in less than 2 seconds. 1.83. Jim Tressell confirms this statement.
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
i disagree
wants to challenge the definitions of sin and search the world for lovers of ultimate beauty but never settle in.
I agree with disagree
Us left coast liberal fans just love mid-country conservative coaches!
College--the best nine years of my life
by AZDeadHeadDuck on Dec 9, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
Meh, he can occasionally pass okay.
He looks tough to tackle because of his size, but I’m sure that after his first encounter with TJ Ward, Pryor will go total headcase status. Hit him hard once, pick him off once…Game over for tOSU.
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
it seems like all the big pass plays are due to safeties taking terrible angles. not like he’s dropping dimes like Luck.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Dec 9, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
I’m just waiting for them to pull out the zone read they do now and for the Oregon D to say, “really. . . really?!”
"When LaMichael James decides he's going North. The foot goes in the ground and it's 0 to 60 now!" Jesse Palmer.
I am not sure how much Zone read I would expect to see,
Pryor is not willing to take ANY hits.
Therefore, I agree with you in the sense that I hope tOSU tries em!
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
It’s my understanding that they started to use it more, and with success.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-V-I-O-L-A-T-E-D"
it's true...
against michigan, we did it with ridiculous success. you have to remember, it was against michigans defense.
That and straight option plays out of the shotgun.
"When LaMichael James decides he's going North. The foot goes in the ground and it's 0 to 60 now!" Jesse Palmer.
we dabble with the option
but it rarely works.
Yeah, or the WR is left
COMPLETELY UNCOVERED.
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
he’d be an unstoppable WR…
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Posey is a breakaway threat with his speed,
And Sanzenbacher is a possesion type of reciever.
So we really have to make sure that TJ3/Harris/Ward and co. dont let Posey run uncovered in the secondary-Which I will say right now they won’t.
I like our matchup
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
again, i'll preface this by sayin' im an ohio state fan, but i'm not a troll...
i’m lookin’ for smart convo’s with objective fans. so — skywaker, you hit it right on the money — he absolutely think’s he’s better than he is. at the begining of the season, he thought he could make every throw, every play, which is why he turned the ball over so often. that’s a great call. that’s why the coaching staff dumbed-down the playbook and made it an extremely run-heavy offense in our last 5 games.
i’m hoping his pocket presense and overall passing improves with the 15 bowl practices, because we will absolutely need it to if we have a shot at winning.
kind of off the topic of pryor, but i think some of you guys are vastly underestimating our defense. granted, we haven’t seen an offensive attack like yours, but you def haven’t seen anything like our front seven either. they terrify me, and i’m on their side. so, yeah.
matt daddy — i’ll disagree, in open space, i’d be absolutely terrified if i were you — if it came to pryor against your linebackers. he doesn’t look like he’s moving that fast until hes 5 yards past you. long strides and what not. but, you’re right, you won’t have to worry about it if you keep the edges covered.
Our linebackers are probably the fastest LB corps Pryor has/will face all year...
Our D-line is similar; based round speed. I understand that Pryor has more speed than is apparent on video; but our defense has contained fast QB’s very well (Jake Locker for example). We run into trouble when we play QB’s that are very accurate with intermediate to deep balls.
To be honest, I have no idea how our offense will match up against a very good tOSU defense. I know that is what we are all waiting to find out :)
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
Locker is a great running QB, but UW is nowhere near as physical on offense as Ohio State, and Locker has far fewer people to help him than Pryor. If the Duck LBs are as big as they are fast, it might be an issue, but when I hear people singularly use “speed” describe linebackers against a running offense, I don’t get real concerned.
Are Saine and Herron speed backs or power backs?
Because only Gerhart gave our D-line real trouble. Quizz didn’t do squat against us going north-south. I admit I’ve only watched OSU a couple games this year (USC, Purdue), so don’t have a sense of their rushing attack beyond Pryor.
Our LB’s will match up with Pryor going east-west or they won’t. Personally, I think they will, since mobile quarterbacks are all the ducks see in practice, and they’ve handled the only comparable opposing one they’ve faced in Jake Locker.
by HoodRiverDuck on Dec 9, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Boom is Power, Saine is speed. But many feel Boom, who was injured a bit I think, has underperformed. Saine has pretty good power for the speed guy. They share duties, so you’ll see them both. I think Saine has emerged as the starter. Pryors feet enhance all parts of the offense, he is so big he can turn 3 into 5, or 5 into seven on a broken play, but they simply don’t play him like Oregon does Masoli. It could be your LBers get to him at some point, but its hard for me to see them doing it consistently. You’ll see him handing off more, with protection behind a line that has gotten much better at blocking. If you want to scout out Ohio State, take a look at the last three games. I think thats where the coaches found something they are comfortable with.
i’ll disagree, in open space, i’d be absolutely terrified if i were you — if it came to pryor against your linebackers.
Couple of things on this.
1. I would be very surprised if Pryor gets that open space. Our scheme is built on controlling the edges with our speed. Oregon’s weakest spot is up the middle or off tackle with a guard pulling. I’ll be very interested to see if anOSU uses the zone read to try and get Pryor into that open space or if they stay under center and hand off to their back and use their conservative style of offense more. Key all year for Oregon is make the offense play from 3rd and long consistently in obvious passing situations and let the secondary make plays.
2. One thing to know, as many people on here have pointed out is the LB crew you will see from Oregon is different than anything in the Big 10. These guys are quick and fast. Plus, Ward our SS is a beast at the line of scrimmage. He will be hawking the line most of the day and daring Pryor to take advantage of 1:1 at the corners. I know Pryor is fast, I was not trying to downplay his abilities one bit, but I think once he gets stopped for short yardage in scrambles a couple of times he may start to think twice about taking off. At least I hope
Lastly, davereg, you have been a pleasant commenter on here and you are definitely no troll. Thanks for having the balls to come on here and have intelligent conversation about the game.
Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State..just another OSU.
thanks man...
and i hear everything you’re saying. obviously, we’ll find out in 23 days — we won’t know ‘til then. can’t come soon enough.
Oh, one more thing.
Masoli will NOT be terrified of your LB’s. Thats how his mindset is. Rather than scamper out of bounds, he will try to decimate you. I don’t know if ay defense can prepare for a QB who bahves like this
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
*behaves
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
i never said masoli would be terrified, i said i am, lol
i watched the civil war — i saw what he did that poor kid who tried to tackle him on fourth down. masoli is the most physical qb we’ve seen all year, hell, prob in the country.
i think DB’s are taught this then forget mid-game. they think he’s gonna slide (never has) or juke and he just trucks them. the poor kid from Okla St in the Holiday Bowl didnt know what hit him.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Dec 9, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
That kid was also hurdled by a 240 pound behemoth,
And beaten deep by Jamere early. Talk about a bad day!
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
no wonder he went low on LGB. didnt realize it was the same guy.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Dec 9, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Quinton Moore I believe his name was,
Could very well be wrongabout that.
Either way, when I was watching an OK St game this year, he played stellar. I just sort of laughed to myself
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
Haha, The ridiculous thing is,
He has done that many times.
I’m sure we can both agree that Jan 1st is WAY too far away!
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
seriously, 23 days... ugh.
wars have started and ended in less time. that’s not fair. i wish i had the remote from the movie “click”. it would be 7 in the moning on Jan 1 and i’d be having a bud light for breakfast, lol.
oh man you said the most awful words on this site ever
Bud Light? Bud Light? ok now you are a troll!!!
Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State..just another OSU.
lol, my brother's bust my balls about it too...
i just don’t like stronger beers. i like to feel like i’m drinking a liquid when i’m drinking beer, not a bottle of hopps and wheat, lol.
Note to Oregon fans
bring plenty of extra good beer to the tailgate to hand out to our new Ohio State friends.
maybe Kelly Pavlik will show up.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Dec 9, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Oregon is a big micro brew state...
So micro brew discussion around here is VERY serious business. Hopefully this clarifies things
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
Two fantastic choices
Session completely sold me again on light lagers. That thing is awesome. But probably not available outside Oregon, Full Sail doesn’t distribute everywhere.
Then again, everything that comes out of Hood River is awesome.
by HoodRiverDuck on Dec 9, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
It’s true. But it is still obtainable, which I would do before I drank bud light.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
Highly recommended
Smooth chocolate stour flavors without being filling.
Problem with black lagers is they lack a seasonal niche. In the summer you want something crisper like an IPA, in the winter you want Jujujubelale or something similar.
by HoodRiverDuck on Dec 9, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll put it on my list of things to try.
Also on my list for Tako Tuesdays are likely Hood River Wasail and Rogue Santa Clause’s Private Reserve.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
Wassail is hit or miss
Like all Christmas brews, imo. Some years they’re right on the money, sometimes overdone with the pumpkin-pie-spice-maltiness.
by HoodRiverDuck on Dec 9, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
I've seen some of the women coming out of Hood River
…and I will disagree with you 100% about them being awesome
That's because
we keep the hot little windusrfer chicks here.
by HoodRiverDuck on Dec 9, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
So you like your beer like your football team, eh?
Weak
Ha! Just messing with you.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Oh wow,
This could lead to some SERIOUS retaliation!
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
Uh oh,
You dont want to make MattDaddy angry. Especially over beer related matters.
I hope that Musgraves army of Eddie Pleasant’s can restrain you from doing something terrible
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
Bud Light?
AHHHH!!!
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-V-I-O-L-A-T-E-D"
by JShufelt on Dec 9, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Hahaha! I have not seen this one yet!
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
i did not mean to upset matt diddy or anyone else!
i had no idea oregon was such a proud state of strong beer drinkers, lol. i assure you, i will not mention my drinking preferences ever again.
in other news, it’s 5:00 here in O H I O, so my work day is done. see you guys tomorrow, have a good ’ne.
Oooh, that is some serious innovation right there...
Normally, the classic Shu lines use the “Shu” as a “you” platform.
This is just mind-boggling
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
i respectfully disagree
penn state’s linebackers > oregon’s linebackers
pro-style old-school. yes. speed and scheme. not so much.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Dec 9, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Speedwise
I remember hearing or reading somewhere that Pleasant, at one time was the 3rd or 4th fastest player on the team. Paysinger is a converted WR, so you know there is some speed there.
"When LaMichael James decides he's going North. The foot goes in the ground and it's 0 to 60 now!" Jesse Palmer.
Eddie does in fact have the third fastest forty on the team,
I think it went, Jamere (Duh), LMJ, Eddie P.
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
i agree you guys are fast..
but i can’t say i’d rather play penn state’s defense again over yours…
but your would much rather play penn st again than Oregon
spread HD has nothing on us
I Don't Yell O I SCREAM!
There's a nickname for Penn State that encapsulates this
that I’m entirely sick of hearing.
by HoodRiverDuck on Dec 9, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
believe me, i'm sick of hearing it as well...
but they have it for a reason.
All that said
I am not overconfident, or even confident, that this is a sure win for the Ducks. I think it’s actually the most intruiging BCS matchup of this year. Biased maybe, but the other bowls give me an overwhelming sensation of meh.
That includes the NCG. If the conference championships were the real indicators of team strength, Bama is going to smoke Texas.
by HoodRiverDuck on Dec 9, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
couldn't agree w/ you more hoodriverduck
great, great matchup. we’re allowed to be biased.
They are VERY different in style of play.
As a whole they may be better, but certainly are not faster. Our starting two OLB’s are converted wide recievers; And Eddie pleasant (starting OLB) has the 3rd fastest forty time on the team.
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
I don't know if we are underestimating tOSU's D
It’s just that we’ve heard it time and time again that X defense was going to shut us down. The only D to shut Masoli and James down was, well, yeah, nobody.
BSU shut Masoli and Blount down before our O-line gelled. UCLA shut Costa/James down for about a half.
USC was supposed to have enough team defensive speed to shut the current attack down. We know how that turned out for us.
We can almost throw the BSU game out,
So terrible in every aspect, not much can be gained. Against UCLA, we had our #2 QB playing for the first time in years (B/C multiple ACL surgeries)…And USC has a medicore defense, but many thought that pure talent and speed alone would stop our offense
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
Boise will prob put a few of their DB’s in the NFL. scheme is really good plus DC is a former Duck so obviously he’s a genius.
UCLA. yes.
USC. you played against them. turns out not so much but i think a lot of that happened cuz they refused to make adjustments once people figured out their flaws after us and stanford played them. and taylor mays decided to not show up this year.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Dec 9, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
BSU also ran a sophiscated almost 3-3-5 scheme much of the game right? basically it was their safeties that shut us down not their front 7. it sure didnt help that we decided to only use 1 WR that game.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Dec 9, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
i'm chalking your first game against boise up to rust, not gelling o-line
because if Boise actually outplayed and out-schemed oregon, then i like ohio state’s chances.
BSU sold out to stop our main play, and the Ducks made zero adjustments. I wouldn’t really call is out scheming, just a total in ability to alter the gameplan.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
honestly, it was all of the above. plus Masoli didnt really trust his options since everyone was new. our RB who just set the freshman rushing record for the PAC 10 got 2 carries if i remember and both were basically fly sweeps. the only group that played well was our D. holding Boise under 20 is pretty good.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Dec 9, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
it was one of the few instances...
where i thought, damn, that D is good.
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funny NEP.
i’m actually laughing. that was pretty good.
One of the reasons why I picked this video for Media Wednesday is that I’ve heard a lot of talk from the Duck fanbase that TP can’t throw the ball. In these clips, he certainly is able to not only make time in the pocket scrambling, but he is able to deliver a good ball to talented receivers who can make plays. It may not be the strength of his game, but it’s enough to keep the defense honest. In that way, he’s not unlike Masoli. Jeremiah can make good plays with his passing but it isn’t his strength.
One of the matchup problems we have is against the Buckeye offensive line. TP doesn’t have to be lights out throwing the ball, he just needs to keep us honest and off the line. Then we will have issues stopping their power running game (ala Stanford). What could play into our hands is the potential for Tressel to go conservative. If we can get stops, we have a great shot at winning
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
I think Pryor throws a decent deep ball, he seems to have pretty good touch on it. Now, consistent accuracy? That’s a different story. This will be one of Oregon’s biggest tests in the secondary because I believe (davereg correct me if I’m worng) anOSU has some legit speed at WR.
To me the key is Tressel, not Pryor. If he follows the Stanford playbook (conservative offense, 6 O-lineman, run it off tackle and pulling guards) anOSU will keep it close and it is going to be tough for Oregon to win. If he thinks he is going to go toe to toe with Kelly, and spread the ball around and roll Pryor out of the pocket and hope for big plays, anOSU will not be able to keep up and i think Oregon walks away with it.
Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State..just another OSU.
“To me the key is Tressel, not Pryor” Bang on with that point. Furthermore, anyone who knows Tressel knows he is going to come out with some conservative football, and I’m sure he’ll look pretty hard at the Stanford game. Tressel will run over 80 percent of the time, and everyone will know it. If the Duck d is indeed soft in the middle…. well they’ll need all that conditioning the Buckeyes keep hearing about. If your Ducks are forced to bringing in your DBs to slow down the run to less than 4/5 yards a carry, look for the deep bombs from Pryor. That sounds so basic, but Tressel is jsut that conservative.
Bang on with that point
I am assuming that means you agree with my point. As for what else you said.
If the Duck d is indeed soft in the middle…. well they’ll need all that conditioning the Buckeyes keep hearing about.
It’s not that they are soft, it’s that they are slightly underweight. The front 7 is build on speed (i know cliche as it sounds, they are) and our D coordinator uses that speed to attack angles, use confusion and gain leverage on the offense. Even against Stanford, Oregon had it’s chance to get back in and didn’t capitalize offensively (big reason was the slow start by Oregon and a huge KR by Stanford). It’s not that the D got run over the entire game, its that once Stanford had a decent lead and could lean on their heisman finalist RB and 6, 300+ o-lineman, they did. Stanford’s team was built to beat this type of defense and their perfect execution on the day did that… (oh by the way it took almost all of the 51 points they scored to do that?)
Do you think anOSU is planning on putting up 51? I guarantee you no matter how conservative Tressel decides to play this game, there are going to be plenty of times Pryor is going to have to make big plays (accurate deep balls in tight coverage, with his legs, or perfect reads on short routes with guys in his face). Unfortunately, Stanford was able to consistently make those plays… we’ll see if Tressel and Pryor can too.
Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State..just another OSU.
Pryor has feet, but not accuracy so well see how it works out. Stanford is a pretty good proxy for big ten power ball, but their defense is no comparison to what Ohio State brings, and that helps overcome Pryor’s problems, but like the Texas game last year, it might not be enough. Still Texas brought a better D to that game, than the Ducks do here. As far as keeping it lose, I’d actually look for some razzle dazzle before I’d expect to see the offense change much.
The Buckeyes run like 80 percent of the time, if you are bringing guys in between the tackles – and I expect they will have to – look out for Pryor to hit short slants to the side, or hit a crazy deep ball that looks sloppy like a naked bootleg circa 1948. I’m not sure the Buckeyes will blow your guys off the line, but I think they’ll be able to do it enough, that it creates accurate situations for Pryor. If the Buckeyes win, it will not be because Pryor is a superhero like Masoli, but because the team created situations where he could succeed. It might not be enough to win against Oregon, but when I see the Ducks in shootouts with the Wildcats, I see a defense that is many regards is wanting. I mean, as far as D goes OSU consistently holds opponents below their average offense, while the Ducks play a team at their average. If that happens it cedes a huge time of possession advantage to the Buckeyes right off the bat, which is what raises my eyebrows at these talks of a high scoring game. Here is a interesting stat to think about: Since he has been at OSU, Tressel has never lost a game when he scores more than 30. That does not mean it can’t happen – this Duck team might be the one to change that – but it speaks to how Tressel approaches a game and his system. If Ohio State scores 30 the time of possession is going to be so lopsided, you’ll wonder why Masoli was never on the field. And our D is going to be so fresh in the late 4th quarter, it will be nuts. Sure I’d like to believe that, but I just don’t see either team getting that much of a leg up on the other.
by Buckeye Bobo on Dec 10, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
I really think that you’re not giving the Oregon defense enough credit. They do much better than hold a team to their average. They are easily a top 25 defense, and when you use statistics that account for strength of schedule, and look at the game on a per play basis (because Oregon runs more plays than other teams), Oregon fares very well.
The OSU line will not steamroll the Ducks. They’ve played plenty of big lines well. For OSU to score, Pryor will have to make the long throws. Oregon will do what they can to shut down the rushing game, and the short passing game, and they’ve done that well all year long.
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If the Buckeyes win, it will not be because Pryor is a superhero like Masoli, but because the team created situations where he could succeed.
I really agree with this.
but when I see the Ducks in shootouts with the Wildcats, I see a defense that is many regards is wanting.
I really disagree with this. I don’t doubt that Ohio State’s defense is better than Oregon’s, but I think it is completely foolish to think Oregon has a bad defense. Oregon ranks 13th in Defensive S&P+ You’ve likely seen better defenses with Iowa and Penn State, with Penn State being a closer peer. Of course, these have yet to be updated from the Civil War. We’ll see how that goes.
If Ohio State scores 30 the time of possession is going to be so lopsided, you’ll wonder why Masoli was never on the field.
I hope you really aren’t offended with we laugh at this idea. Time of Possession really has no important to us. We’ve consistently have been one, or the worst in “Time of Possession” in the country for the last 3 years, but when it comes to scoring, we’ve been in the top 10. The most impressive part about this is, it has mostly been done with the running game. We are a quick strike offense.
With our misdirection based offense, opposing defenses end up running 50% more on a single play and will immediately need to line up for the next play with minimal chance for substitution.
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Another note on TOP. It used to be an indicator of who controlled the ball and ran more plays. With hurry up offenses, that is no longer the case, and it is a fairly insignificant indicator now days. Total plays, first downs, etc. are much more important.
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The less you want the Masoli to hold the ball is fine with me!
by Buckeye Bobo on Dec 10, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
You missed the point. He does hold the ball for MORE PLAYS, just not MORE TIME.
More plays = more chances to score.
More time = more chances to take a nap.
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by Bill Musgrave on Dec 10, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
A team gives up 33 points and you want the to be added to your defensive stats?
by Buckeye Bobo on Dec 10, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Welcome to Pac-10 football!
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Buckeye Bobo this is definitely going to be a contrast in styles on many fronts. Tressel – conservative coach vs. Kelly – much more aggressive coaching style. Pryor – limit mistakes, win around him vs. Masoli – team playmaker, win because of him. anOSU defense – hard nose, hit hard, punch you in the mouth style vs Oregon defense – built on speed, angles and leverage. Team philosophy OSU – defense wins ballgames, control the ball and the clock vs Oregon Philosophy – score fast, play with tempo, wear teams down physically.
There really couldn’t be more contrasting styles in a game, and it should be a hell of a lot of fun to see. Do I think Oregon is going to win every battle? No. Do I think Oregon’s style is per say better? Not at all. It’s just going to be fun watching them go against each and find out who wins the day.
Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State..just another OSU.
Thats why this is THE best bowlgame of the year!
by Buckeye Bobo on Dec 10, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
But there's the catch
Stanford executed their conservative gameplan only after Luck had shredded the DBs downfield with some perfect throws. And then he did it a few other times during the game just to keep guys honest. If Luck had missed on a couple of those throws, it’s a whole different ball game. Would Stanford still have put up some points? Yes. Is anOSU still going to put up some points? Probably. But if Pryor can’t establish an accurate downfield passing game, the Ducks will stack the box on defense and rely on speed to gang tackle the ball carrier. In other words, it’s going to take balance.
A completely conservative approach will put some points on the board, but eventually the D’s speed is going to come into play, and the safeties will get involved in bottling up the run. A wide open approach may break a few big plays, but it could also lead to turnovers, something the D has been pretty good about forcing. Plus this would not be playing into Pryor’s strength.
Pryor is going to have to break a few plays early, either with his arm or his legs, in order to open up the between the tackles rush attack.
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Solid take
Have I mentioned fuck Andrew Luck? How many needles did he thread that game? Thankfully the Furd lss ended up making zero difference in the season’s outcome, but still.
by HoodRiverDuck on Dec 9, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
My sense is that under Tressel ball, OSU does not try and establish a long game until those Duck Dbs come forward, if they have to.
My guess
Alliotti is going to do everything he can to make Tressel/Pryor beat the Ducks down the field right from the bat. I think he’s hoping that anOSU comes out conservatively, will set up the D accordingly, and hope the offense can get the Ducks a lead. Alliotti has gotten a lot of flak throughout the years for his soft defenses. Some of that was deserved, some not.
My personal take is that he’s always been very good at scheming to contain the run. The pass defense was better this year than in years past, but I attribute that to a couple of things: 1) Overall, he had better pure athletes back there for most of the season and 2) the Pac 10 doesn’t have nearly as good QB play as it did when his defenses were getting torched for 300 passing ypg and couldn’t stop a third and long to save their lives. The passing D looked fantastic this year until it faced the three most accurate QBs in the Pac 10 – Luck, Foles, and Canfield. Then it simply looked okay.
The point is – Alliotti will be able to scheme to contain Pryor’s running ability and the between the tackles run game UNLESS he’s forced to adjust his DBs to play the mid to long-range passing game. I think coming out conservatively might be the worst thing Tressel can do, but that’s just my opinion.
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yeah matt diddy...
i’d have to agree with pretty much everything you said. pryor can throw a decent deep ball — we’ve seen it many times, but sometimes he misses guys that are wide open. so consistent accuarcy is an issue. we do have pretty good speed at WR — i chuckle when everyone earlier was saying — yeah it’s easy to throw to COMPLETELY WIDE OPEN RECEIVERS. that tends to happen when posey runs deep routes. he can fly. and when you have a quarterback that can get to the second level with his feet — it tends to make DB’s turn into the happy feet penquin. ray small and posey are the speed recievers — sanzenbacher & duron carter are more of your “get the needed yards — over the middle/willing to take a hit” guys.
I’ve heard a lot of talk from the Duck fanbase that TP can’t throw the ball.
Let me correct this. Pryor can’t throw the ball consistently. After seeing quite a bit of Pryor this season, a highlight video does absolutely nothing to dispel these ideas.
Pryor has a “better” arm than Masoli, in that he can throw it farther, and will hit the deep passes on occasion. But he is even more inconsistent than Masoli is, and his decision making is much worse. In fact, it’s atrocious. When faced with pressure, he does dumb things with the ball.
TP doesn’t have to be lights out throwing the ball, he just needs to keep us honest and off the line.
I honestly don’t think he’ll be able to do this. Even if he hits a couple long passes early, I don’t see the Ducks changing their defensive schemes. When Luck started hitting his passes, you could kind of see the defense be like, oh shit, he’s on today. We have to adjust or he’ll kill us. With Pryor, it’ll be like, whoa, he hit a long pass, that was fun. And they’ll do the same thing, and make him do it again (sort of like we did with Canfield. In retrospect, maybe we shouldn’t have switched up against Stanford). Pryor just doesn’t have consistency over an entire game to make us significantly alter our gameplan.
Again, a stat that will have a lot of impact on this game, OSU is 72nd in the country in S&P+ on passing downs. Oregon is 19th.
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wait... are you questioning whether Aliotti did the right thing against Stanford
can we have this discusion again? jk
Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State..just another OSU.
still better than watching Stanford throw fade’s to Teyo Johnson 50 times in a row.
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by NEP on Dec 9, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
No, mean would be Gerhart coming back for another year.
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he mentioned how he was training for the 40. i’m guessing stanford doesn’t have a “combine” during spring practice so hopefully he’s in the NFL next fall and not on campus.
he has nothing left to prove.
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by NEP on Dec 9, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
I read some speculation about him preparing for the draft; however, Harbaugh seems like the kind of guy that may be able to convince a guy to come back
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He actually has another year of eligibility,
I dont know if it is because of baseball or not…But I read a few articles about how he may not return to Stanford next season
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Interesting… Good thing he won’t be sticking around.
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Yep, thats the one (article, that is).
Dr.Saturday also breifly mentioned it.
I am still not sure how he has another year
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
OSU is 72nd in the country in S&P+ on passing
OSU passes only 25 percent of the time. Yes, this thread is about Pryor, but the game won’t be.
Totally agree
It’s about Duck O vs. tOSU D, primarily.
by HoodRiverDuck on Dec 9, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Thats the marquee matchup that everyone is looking to, and makes this the best Bowl of the year. If Oregon wins, people will stick with that story, but if OSU wins I think people are going to look at some unexpected story like an OSU offensive line that finally played a nasty game in the trenches, or some running back that is currently overlooked.
That – power ground game – is exactly what I would expect OSU to try and pull off for this game. The obvious way to attack Oregon is to go straight at the undersized front seven. Now whether the Buckeyes have the horses to pull it off ala Stanford may be another story.
If OSU can generate a running game between the tackles, that might be enough to allow Pryor the comfort level he needs for a decent passing day. I don’t expect any kind of blowout. If OSU gets the win, I believe it will be because their O-line will have played a great game.
"...the noise is one aspect, but you can feel the intensity of their crowd." - Pete Carroll on Oregon's Autzen Stadium.
tOSU has NO comparison to Gerhart...
Or NO comparison to the downfield accuracy that Luck brought to the table when we played Stanford…
The power ground game hurts, but when used in conjunction with a ridiculous deep passing game…We are screwed
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As is
pretty much any defense in any league, anywhere.
Nobody was beating Stanford that day.
by HoodRiverDuck on Dec 10, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
OSU is actually 33rd in the country in passing, but is 72nd overall on passing downs. If Oregon can force OSU into these passing situations (and I think they can), the OSU offense will be in for a long day.
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If you want a stat the really matters.....
Time of Possession:
Oregon: 26:58 (114th in Nation)
Ohio State: 30:39 (45th in Nation)
PANIC!!!!!!!!
Only losing THREE starters from the USC game. (Offense and Defense)
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by QuackQuackAttack on Dec 9, 2009 5:17 PM PST reply actions
Does Pryor = Points?
Looking over their scoring totals it’s hard to say that this great athlete at QB directly translates into points.
Games above 30 points:
Navy: 31 – 27 (W)
Toledo: 38-0 (W)
Illinois: 30-0 (W)
Indiana: 33-14 (W)
Wisconsin: 31-13 (W)
Minnesota: 38-7 (W)
New Mexico State: 45-0 (W)
Games below 30:
USC: 15-18 (L)
Purdue: 18-26 (L)
Penn State: 24-7 (W)
Iowa: 27-24 (W)
Michigan: 21-10 (W)
There are plenty of high scoring games there but against real quality teams tOSU isn’t scoring above 30. Maybe the Ducks don’t hang 45 on them but I don’t see 21 points being enough to beat the Ducks. Their defense does look very good but looking over the scores against quality opponents I don’t see Pryor’s physical tools translating into massive scoring.
hahahahahaha
you called Michigan a quality opponent… hahahahahaha
No seriously, great point on the “against quality opponents.” Although, I would let Wisconsin be the exception to that. I think the difference is well coached, more athletic defenses take away anOSU’s natural athletic advantage.
I am just as interested to see if anOSU can put up points on Oregon as I am to see if Oregon can hang 40 on anOSU. My inital call is this game will be either a shoot out (which I don’t think anOSU wants) or a game much like the civil war with Oregon getting some late scores to push them over.
Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State..just another OSU.
In Michigans defense...
In a rivalry game…ANYTHING is possible, so I would consider Mich a quality opponent in these circumstances…
But it does appear that teams near the level of athleticism give tOSU fits…Iowa (with their 2nd string QB playing mind you), USC-a medicore team in the Pac-10, Even Michigan; tOSU forced a gazillion turnovers and still couldn’t capitalize on them
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2nd string yes but,
if Iowa had half the dropped passes that they had. That would’ve been a different game. The turnover deal is what “Tresselball!!” is all about. He puts the game in his defenses hand and if it comes on the offensive side, bonus.
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For the record :)
I was just dividing the games by tOSU points, not quality of opponent. But in general their high-scoring days were against teams that aren’t exactly powerhouses. Michigan may be down but I bet their quality of athletes out of high school is much higher than New Mexico State or Toledo.
I didn’t watch all their games but the stats seem to say that they had some very easy days without a serious challenge on either side of the ball. But when things get tough they aren’t trying to win by scoring 45. Has Pryor lead his team from behind or held them together when faced with a deficit? We know how Masoli will respond if his team is in a hole, but what will Pryor do if the Ducks come out firing and score a couple quick ones?
The scary part is that they have serious athletes on both sides and Pryor is a real threat. The good news is that their performance dips against good teams and they haven’t been tested the way our Ducks have.
they haven’t been tested the way our Ducks have.
That the funny part. Who is the toughest team anOSU played all year? USC? Purdue? Those are their losses. Iowa? Penn St? How good do we really know those teams to be considering their record and how they played in the season?
Serious question: Can we say that anOSU HAS been test at all this season?
Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State..just another OSU.
damnit reply fail
guess it had to happen some time
Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State..just another OSU.
Well, Navy, USC, Purdue, and Iowa were close. Iowa was a win in overtime (and the box score says Pryor handed the ball off every single play in OT). USC and Purdue were losses. And Navy, well, not to bash Navy but they aren’t exactly Alabama.
You can also look over Pryor’s stats here.
We know that our Ducks have played big games and come up with clutch performances when everything was on the line. Masoli doesn’t get rattled and knows not only what it’s like to play big games and big moments but how to win them. I don’t think we can say the same thing about Pryor; he has size and speed like we haven’t seen before but he hasn’t been a clutch “put the ball in his hands to win the game” QB this year.
Looks like all these defenses have horrible cover corners and safety's...
And none of them can tackle. I think if Paysinger/Ward/Matthews/anyone on defense puts a nice hit on Pryor, he’ll shut it down and play scared.
Many can try to imitate, but there can be only one...Masoli.
Pryor vs. Masoli
Hey guys. I’ve been following the ATQ blog for a little while now, but this is the first time I’ve posted. So, I thought I should start out by saying what’s up.
There are definitely a lot of intriguing match-ups in this game, namely Chip/Tres and Oregon O/Ohio State D.
But one match-up I love is Masoli/Pryor. And while we keep looking at the obvious surface statistics, I think there are some other numbers that should definitely be considered. Take a look.
*Sacked: Masoli= 9 Pryor= 18
*Interceptions: Masoli= 5 Pryor= 10
*Games under 100 yards throwing: Masoli= 1 Pryor= 4
*Games under 50% completion percentage: Masoli= 1 Pryor= 4
*Games with multiple INTs: Masoli= 0 Pryor= 2
*Games that I’d consder statistically dominant: Masoli= 5 Pryor= 3 (one against Toledo)
*Comeback wins: Masoli= 3 (Purdue is one, if I remember correctly) Pryor= 0 (He had nothing to do with Iowa, because he had a TOTAL of 122 yards and 0 TDs)
*Wins against common opponents: Masoli= 2 Pryor= 0
*Record in huge, high-profile games: Masoli= 3-1 Pryor= 1-1, maybe 2-1
Now consider news coverage. Masoli is battle-tested QB who is covered positively (perfect for UO, warrior, great mentality, etc.), and positive press can ultimately lead to less pressure. Pryor, meanwhile, has questions asked about him every week (is OSU the right school, can he throw, he makes too many mistakes, etc.), and negative press can weigh a person down.
Further, I think the battle-tested intangible has to come in play big time. As I said, Masoli lead 2 amazing comebacks and I think a third in Purdue, while Pryor really didn’t have any. He made absolutely 0 contribution to the comeback win against Iowa. Also, our OOC schedule put us through the gauntlet. We played 2 ranked opponents in Boise and Utah (one on the road) and a Division 1, Big 10 foe in Purdue. Meanwhile, OSU played Toledo, New Mexico State, and Navy. And without Toledo on the schedule, Pryor’s stats go from pretty serviceable to downright bad.
You also have to consider that Masoli missed the UCLA game with an injury, so who knows how much more pronounced these differences would have been.
One stat I’m pretty sure Pryor owns the advantage in is fumbles. Masoli loses the ball a lot.
I think Pryor is a physical beast, and I would NOT want to be a linebacker or D-lineman responsible for bringing him down. I truly believe that Tressel landed a miracle recruit and then realized that he had no idea what to do with him. That is to say, if Pryor plays for Florida, Texas, Oregon, West Virginia, etc., he does great things in less time. So me posting these stats is not intended to lambast Pryor as an athlete, because he’s the real deal. They’re merely noted to question him right now as our opponent. And I think based on some of those oft-overlooked stats I mentioned above, we hold a decided advantage in QB. I think we all know the difference a decided QB advantage makes. Just look at the top NFL teams and the bottom feeders. They do a lot of things differently, but there is one clear and consistent difference: QB play.
The Buckeyes usually won games in spite of Pryor. The Ducks usually won games because of Masoli. That’s kind of a big deal in what could amount to a close game.
by DuckIt on Dec 10, 2009 8:07 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Great first post, no where to go from here but down... hehe
but in all seriousness, this is an AWESOME point:
and negative press can weigh a person down
Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State..just another OSU.
Soon to be...
“Tiger Woods syndrome”
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
I dunno
I wouldn’t want to play against Tiger when he was pissed off. For one thing, he’d have to give me 60 strokes instead of 50.
by HoodRiverDuck on Dec 10, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
Great stats provided!
Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.
Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.
You forgot a couple
Balls:
Masoli: Brass
Pryor: Paper Mache
Blood Type:
Masoli: Ice Cold
Pryor: Blood?! EEEEK!!!
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