Poll: Civil War Football to Portland?
by dvieira on Apr 22, 2009 10:00 AM PDT
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The Apple Cup could potentially be moved to Qwest field in Seattle for next year and possibly beyond as athletic departments at the University of Washington and Washington State look for revenue. Both programs stand to get a $2 million guarantee for the game if played in Seattle and lawmakers are all up in a tizzy over it. There are some other notable neutral site games out there in college football, notably the Red River Rivalry (or Shootout if you are old school) as well as the Army-Navy game. The Civil War game was played at a neutral site during the 1912 and 1913 editions of the game, both games being played in Albany. In baseball, the Civil War game in Portland at PGE Park was a great success, bringing out fans from both sides of the aisle to support their team making for a great atmosphere. Does moving the Civil War game to Portland make sense for the rivalry game between Oregon and Oregon State?
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I said yes, assumming that there would be a spot for a 60-70k seat stadium
That would be used otherwise. I’ve always thought a Civil War in Portland every year, 50/50 fan split, would be awesome
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on Apr 22, 2009 10:03 AM PDT reply actions
MOST RETARDED IDEA EVAR!!!!111
I hate it.
Don’t do it.
If I wanted COLLEGE RIVALRY GAMES played at neutral sites, breaking long-standing tradition I would move to Washington and cheer for the Huskougs.
And this is coming from a guy who was born in Portland and continues to reside here! I’ll drive to Corvallis, thank you very much.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
by ArbyOSU on Apr 22, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just think that...
…a neutral site game like this would take massive intensity out of the rivalry. Especially in a small venue like PGE, it’d be like an exhibition game, which is not what I want our players to feel like while playing in arguably the most fierce rivalry west of the Mississippi.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Dear Joevan, Develop motor skills. Love, ATQ.
Nope not plausable right now
the largest facility (PGE) can only fit 20k that would be a terrible idea. Also i like the back and forth of home field advantage, it makes things interesting.
I went with yes, though I am somewhere in the middle. I think the idea of playing at a neutral site every year would be very interesting, particularly if there was a suitable location.
The only thing worse would be moving the game to a Thursday.
Oh, wait…
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
Now you're talking.
That’s mathematics there. Two negatives making a positive, or something like that. I could deal as long as you wore your sleazy Bellotti costume.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
But I like playing you guys on Thursdays.
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This reminds me, the PAC 10 really needs a pre-season Jamboree.
It can be played on a Tuesday night.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
I would absolutely hate this idea….
I think it’s fine for places like the Red River Rivalry that have history. But to take the Civil War (or even Apple Cup) and put it in a totally soulless location is one of the worst ideas ever conceived.
Aside from the fact that there is no suitable location in Oregon, this would not benefit anything.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Except Merritt Paulson, assuming he and his d-bag of a father owned the 60K stadium for our fictional NFL team in this scenario.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
Boo no
We are finally getting to the point where the Civil War is becoming important on a national level. We have two of the better(best) environments in the Pac-10, lets show them off. It is fun going into OS’ house and trashing them, it was heart breaking loosing in Autzen. Would it mean that much if it happened in the Timber’s new stadium? Bad idea, nay, worst idea?
Ducks Go!
RIP CITY!
I’m on record as saying that this is as stupid as bringing the MLS to Portland.
Boo! to rivalries played at neutral sites!
and Boo! again to lame leagues like the ML freaking S!
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
well thats a discussion for another time and place.
Ducks Go!
RIP CITY!
by trumpetduck on Apr 22, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I just like to poop on MLS whenever I get the chance.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
MLS is going to be huge in Portland. I liked the idea
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on Apr 22, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Meh… It’ll wear off. I don’t doubt that they’ll draw for a bit but MLS will always be third/fourth rate soccer internationally and will draw that level of talent.
I want NHL. Or MLB. Those lose slightly more money but at least we could save the MC and do a cool retrofitting for hockey… sigh…
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
The Timbers haven't worn off
Their average attendance would be in the top 5 for MLS teams. Imagine it when it IS an MLS team. Portland is Soccer City, whether certain fans want it to be or not
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on Apr 22, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Most the fans aren’t even real fans. I hate referencing the Stuff White People Like list but #80 The Idea of Soccer comes immediately to mind. All of these people, mostly skinny, greasy hipster transplants, just like wearing scarves and singing dirty songs… could they actually point out any position on the field OTHER than GK? No.
Sigh… wherever soccer city actually IS, I’m sure it’s full of people who actually know something about the sport. We might as well be snooker city or cricket city while we’re at it.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
it might just be me, but a city full of soccer fans who don’t know much about soccer sounds like the PERFECT place for an MLS team.
It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
I officially go on and redact my original statement
It is fun going into OS’ house and trashing them, it was heart breaking loosing in Autzen. Would it mean that much if it happened in the Timber’s new stadium?
This puts it in perspective. Winning at Autzen (regardless of circumstances i.e. who did or didn’t play) was one of the greatest moments of my life. I have seen 2 national championships, witnessed two beatings of USC, and yet, beating a depleted Oregon team at Autzen will always hold a place in my heart.
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on Apr 22, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Dude, don’t taunt them! 60-something to 30-something! There, beat ’em to it.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
by ArbyOSU on Apr 22, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol’d in RL. +1
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
You forget 600 and something....
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on Apr 22, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
And I didn’t mean “on fire” in the positive sense… more the “stop it, dude” sense…
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
Don’t you try and pass it off as 61-39…
65-38! 65-38! 65-38!
by inroywetrust on Apr 22, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Have a horrible rest of your week.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
wheeee schaudenfreude!
It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Isn’t that what the “S” in “SBN” stands for anyway?
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
I thought that was Shufelt.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Dear Joevan, Develop motor skills. Love, ATQ.
It's turible (or however Charles Barkley spells it)
PGE Park is the WORST ever venue for football. Sometimes when you have a great thing, you just don’t mess with it. We have a great thing in the Civil War just the way it is.
As for the Red River Shootout or the Florida-Georgia games being great… Would they be any less great if they were played in either team’s home stadium? I don’t think so. It doesn’t matter where they locate it, the Army-Navy game hasn’t been interesting for decades.
You cannot hide from our weapons of Masoli destruction.
My original point was saying if there was a suitable stadium, at least 60,000. I don't think dvieira meant at PGE, or Hillsboro Stadium for that matter haha
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on Apr 22, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
ugh
That’s a terrible idea. First of all the Red River Rivalry is played on a neutral field between two opponents from different states. I can’t think of a single in-state rivalry that is played at a neutral site (I could be wrong). Second, Army/Navy play in a pro-football stadium, which is obviously not available in Oregon.
It should stay as it is.
I live in Portland
and think it’s a terrible idea.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
Bah. I wish I could change my vote. I didn’t think about the third option enough. Clearly, it should be played in Chicago.
Why? Because that is most convenient to me.
by ntrebon on Apr 22, 2009 11:34 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Hmmm... Civil War in Soldier Field...
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Dear Joevan, Develop motor skills. Love, ATQ.
The interesting thing about the 2 big neutral games
Red River Shootout and the World’s Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party is that even though the stadium is split 50/50, the distanced traveled favors the “home-state” team
i.e. WLOCP is only 1 1/2 hour from Gainesville (and in the heart of UF country, mind you) but roughly 5-6 hours from Athens, GA.
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on Apr 22, 2009 11:41 AM PDT reply actions
One other thing, I'd like to hear this from Duck fans:
Let’s assume there was a stadium 60k+ in Portland Metro Area. How would you feel about a UW/UO neutral site game? ~3 hours from Seattle, ~2 hours from Eugene (yes I know, a majority of Duck fans live IN Portland, but still)
Thoughts?
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on Apr 22, 2009 11:42 AM PDT reply actions
meh
on this subject in general my opinion is, “sure but really, what’s the point?” is it a situation to create more ticket opportunities, ie Qwest is big and Martin Stadium is a tiny POS? that’s the only possible reason to do it. If it’s just to shake things up, ie Civil War/Duck beating the Fuskies by 40 in Portland, then let’s not even talk about it.
It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
I’m in Tak’s boat on this one. I really don’t care about moving the game to Portland and making it a neutral site style game. Plus, I’m not sure I see Washington going along with it. Portland would end up getting all of the local economic traffic
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
I poop on neutral site games. They’re crap. And I agree, it would hurt smaller communities like Corvallis and Eugene. Businesses in these areas bank on every home game being a big weekend for them as tens of thousands of new faces roll into town to buy gas, food, lodging, merch, etc.
Games like this need to stay put for the sake of tradition AND the communities the teams are from.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
It's a fun idea, but Portland does not have a football stadium
IF there were a stadium in Portland, I would support this idea as an occasional novelty but not an annual event. Something like,
Autzen
Reser
- PORTLAND *
Autzen
Reser
(repeat as a 5-year cycle)
If it ain't broke, don't break it.
It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by Takimoto on Apr 22, 2009 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
PGE would be the worst place ever to have a Civil War football game.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Indoors at the Rose Garden! Go go arena college football!
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
You had me at Arena College Football.
Thought: Should Junior Colleges play Arena?
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
No
As noted above, the stadium is WAY too small, they’d never give up the revenue from having only half the seats….
Proud member of Duck nation!
Neutral site games are like hummels on a College Football shelf.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Dear Joevan, Develop motor skills. Love, ATQ.
Yea right
If there was a adequately sized field it might make sense, and make the rivalry even bigger than it is. But without a field that can hold over 50k it would loose the schools $$, and we all know that is what college football comes down to these days.
At least we get to take care of little brother at home this year.
by oregonsportsaddict on Apr 22, 2009 10:13 PM PDT reply actions
NO
….way on this planet called earth. WTF? 1st, the logistics, ok? Where are you going to
have to park, half a mile away? And any nearby lots are gonna pop you for $15! 2nd,
the brotherhood of pregame tailgating is gone. You think the city of portland’s gonna
let you set up your gas grill and table spread right there on the sidewalk? Not to mention
open drinking on a city street. Like that’s gonna be allowed to happen!!
NO2
….(which is what you 9% ers must have been on to think this is good, with all due
respect)… sorry, I don’t like to be panhandled every block while hoofing it to the
gate. Do you think you’ll be allowed to reenter if you leave at halftime? No autzen
jumbo-tron? Of course not! Besides, any scoreboard would have to illustrate a
“fair and balanced” show for both teams.
This yard… is it big? We’ll need to turn two bedrooms into home and visitor locker rooms.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
We’re not going anywhere there’s not massages and XBox, so you better make sure that is the case.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
CV3000 always raved about your talents as a masseuse—thanks for stepping up. I think we can make it happen. Your hands, your yard and I’ll bring some bean dip and folding chairs. This CW is going to be great.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
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