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Fact or Fiction: 10 Wins for Chip Kelly in his Inaugural Season

Small_chip_mediumTime for a little game of Fact or Fiction with the Addicted to Quack editors. We all know how this game works. A statement is thrown out there and you get to say FACT or FICTION with a description of why you feel that way. Click the jump for the arguments and vote in the poll. Here comes the question

Fact or Fiction: Chip Kelly will get 10 wins in his first season as head coach of the Oregon Ducks.

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PaulSF > FACT

The Ducks' 2009 schedule favors a big year with two non-conference home games against Purdue and Utah, and their four toughest Pac-10 foes at home: Cal, USC, ASU and OSU.  Oregon's toughest road game is likely its season opener, a rematch of last year's disappointing loss to Boise State.  Call me the supreme optimist, but I'm predicting the Ducks rattle off seven straight to open the Chip Kelly Era, entering the showdown with USC in Eugene at 7-0.  Bold?  Absolutely, but look at their slate: Four of their first seven are at Autzen, and two of their three road games are against teams that finished 8th and 10th in the conference in 2008, respectively.  Do I think the Ducks could lose to Cal, or Utah, or Boise State or Purdue?  Sure.  I just don't think they will.

There's also another factor: Assuming the Ducks get a bowl bid, they'll play 13 games for the fourth straight year.  In the previous three seasons, the Ducks have finished with 10, 9, and 7 wins, respectively.  You could argue they had subpar talent in 2006, but with only 12 games in 2005, the Ducks used top-notch talent to finish with 10 wins.  I think the Ducks are better overall than they were in 2005.  Considering the favorable schedule, and barring any unforeseen surprises, I think the Ducks finish 10-2 heading into their bowl game, which, I hope, will be in 2010, not 2009.

JConant FACT

I feel sheepish making predictions prior to fall practices when we'll see who really is healed and ready to go, and who isn't. But what the hell. Yes, I believe Chip Kelly will get 10 wins in his first season. Unfortunately, I believe that 10th win will come in the Sun Bowl, which will mean the team didn't have the kind of season most of us are hoping for.

Where do the three loses come from? Some combination of Boise State, Cal, USC, UCLA and Arizona. Why do I think we could lose three of those? A few reasons:

First, I'm concerned about LaGarrette Blount's commitment. Forget the O-line issues, seeing him twice in person this spring I was really unimpressed. My gut tells me that LaGarrette, in his mind, may have already punched his ticket to the NFL. I will believe that he is healthy, in game shape, 2008-fast and in the right frame of mind when I see it on the field. I think it's very possible we'll be bemoaning how much we miss JJ halfway through the '09 season. Second, Chris Harper is close, but not quite there yet. His offensive contributions will be limited. True stardom for Harper happens in 2010, I think. Third, defenses in the conference are improving and many defensive coordinators are seeing the CK spread for the third time. I would be surprised if Oregon matches last season's offensive output against a schedule that could feature at least five ranked teams. Last, our situation on the O-line is precarious. I have faith in Greatwood, but he can't stop injuries from happening. I like our starting unit, but we do not have a lot of depth.

Could I be wrong on all counts? I hope so. I do believe this team has a lot of potential. A win at highly ranked Boise State - in what will likely be BSU's biggest home game ever - could be the start of something very, very special.

jtlight FACT

At this point, I think that the BSU and Cal games are toss-ups, while USC is a probably loss, and that Oregon should be favored in the rest of their games. However, I say this with a few reservations.

As always, I'm concerned about the secondary. We didn't see great production from that unit (outside of Thurmond) through most of the spring. This was due in part to injuries, but I don't feel that we had a safety step up. I'm not as worried about the corners, as if we get good safety play, the corners will be just fine. But we had serious safety issues last season, and it forced the coaching staff to totally change the gameplan. One of the reasons that USC's pass defense is so good, is that Taylor Mays can cover the whole field by himself, and that backup gives insane confidence to the cornerbacks. Oregon cornerbacks did not have that advantage last year. I feel that our corners are physically talented, but the nature of the game is that just about any wide receiver can seperate from a cornerback if given enough time, especially if that cornerback does not have competent deep help.

Next, I'm a bit worried about the running backs, simply because of depth. At this point, we should have 4 healthy scholarship running backs when fall camp starts. But that can dwindle quickly, as we saw during the spring. I don't share the Blount concerns that many have voiced, and think he'll be more than fine. But he really needs to have someone to back him up. I think that LaMichael James will fill that hole, but we just haven't seen him. However, I think he's the type that can totally change the game. Having him with Blount could be a totally lethal combo.

Lastly, and most importantly, is the offensive line. It grew a lot in the spring, but was just not very good. Again, injuries were a major problem. At one point, the line only had 5 scholarhip linemen available during the spring game. This obviously shouldn't happen during the year, but again, we just haven't seen what will be on the field in the fall. But, and I will be repeating this all summer, "In Greatwood We Trust."

That said, I am encouraged by the team we will be putting on the field. Oregon has as much talent as an entire team as they have ever had. Overall, the team is deep and should be very good. If they get competent play out of the question areas, this could be a 10 win team. If we get a few pleasant surprises, the season could go even higher. 

dvieira > FACT

I think it will be close but I'm going FACT, not because of all the good teams that are out there, but because of all the teams that we should beat given our experience. I'm classifying the opponents for next season into 2 different categories...Must Win and Like to Win. Any loss to a team in the "must win" category will need to be equaled from the "like to win" category. Must win games are Boise State, Purdue, Washington State, UCLA, Washington, Stanford, Arizona State, and Arizona. In the Like to Win category, you have the rest of the teams...Utah, California, USC and Oregon State. If you win all of your must win games, you need to get 2 wins against teams in the like to win category to make 10 wins during the regular season with only 1 win and a bowl game win to hit the magic 10 win mark. Out of the must win teams, I think Oregon has a good shot at beating Utah, Oregon State and Cal in that order and all those games are at home.

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Surprised none of you addressed one of the biggest factors: This is Chip’s first year as a head coach. Ever.

Now, I have complete faith in CK, and MB on hand to help when necessary is a nice safety net to have. But there’s going to be at least somewhat of a learning curve this season. At some point, it’s entirely possible that something in the running of the entire team goes unnoticed and undone, something that the program did naturally and automatically under MB, but was missed under a new HC, and the oversight(s) will cost us a game.

If the question was whether this team has the talent and schedule to win 10 games, I’d say FACT. But as it is, I’m going to be Eeyore and say 10 wins is less likely than likely.

by grimc on May 18, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s really a moot point. Bellotti won 9 games (out of 12, not 13 like we’ll likely have this year) in his first season as head coach at Oregon in 1995. And that was the Oregon Ducks then, not now. I personally don’t think a new coach’s weaknesses show as much in the first season as most would think. They tend to show up in years three and four, and even five, when the players recruited by the incoming coach become juniors and seniors.

Which is exactly why I’ve never understood schools canning a coach after two or three seasons…

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by PaulSF on May 18, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But MB was with the program, what, 5 seasons before ascending?

I like your point about really learning about a coach 3-5 years down the line, but I don’t think MB’s first season makes the possibility of a first year HC struggling, moot.

by grimc on May 18, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fact

I am sure 100% of new HC have struggles and oversights. To me the biggest factor is when in the season and games these come. Is Chip going to have a clock management blunder that could cost us a game, or might something happen in practice or early in a game that can be over come?
He has many examples of being a real heady and cerebral guy and I don’t think his lumps or learning curve will have a great effect on Ws and Ls. He should be able to overcome them and not let them hurt the team. That is the true telling sign, when his oversight comes how big of a situation is it, with CK I predict small.

Sleeping under an avalanche with Cartman, wake me Sept 3.

by trumpetduck on May 18, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honest question: How many rookie head coaches of a D-I program reached 10 wins on their maiden voyage?

by grimc on May 18, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd Say It's Do-Able (sorry for the formatting...)

Coach, College, Year W L T
Chris Petersen, Boise St., 2006——————————————————————————- *13 0 0
Larry Coker, Miami (Fla.), 2001——————————————————————————— *12 0 0
Bret Bielema, Wisconsin, 2006——————————————————————————- *12 1 0
Gary Blackney, Bowling Green, 1991———————————————————————- *11 1 0
John Robinson, Southern California, 1976———————————————————- *11 1 0
Bill Battle, Tennessee, 1970——————————————————————————— *11 1 0
Gregg Brandon, Bowling Green, 2003——————————————————————- *11 3 0
Jeff Jagodzinski, Boston College, 2007—————————————————————- *11 3 0
Dick Crum, Miami (Ohio), 1974—————————————————————————- *10 0 1
Barry Switzer, Oklahoma, 1973——————————————————————————— 10 0 1
John Jenkins, Houston, 1990———————————————————————————— 10 1 0
Dwight Wallace, Ball St., 1978———————————————————————————- 10 1 0
Chuck Fairbanks, Oklahoma, 1967———————————————————————— *10 1 0
Mike Archer, LSU, 1987——————————————————————————————- *10 1 1
Ralph Friedgen, Maryland, 2001—————————————————————————— 10 2 0
Tom Amstutz, Toledo, 2001———————————————————————————— *10 2 0
Rick Neuheisel, Colorado, 1995—————————————————————————— *10 2 0
Paul Pasqualoni, Syracuse, 1992————————————————————————- *10 2 0
Curley Hallman, Southern Miss., 1988———————————————————— *10 2 0
Pat Jones, Oklahoma St., 1984————————————————————————- *10 2 0
Earle Bruce, Tampa, 1972———————————————————————————— *10 2 0
Billy Kinard, Mississippi, 1971——————————————————————————— *10 2 0
Bill Doba, Washington St., 2003—————————————————————————— *10 3 0

*Bowl game victory included.
Only first-year coaches to win a national championship: Bennie Oosterbaan, Michigan, 1948
(9-0-0); Larry Coker, Miami (Fla.), 2001 (12-0-0). <<<—- Coker won with all that talent. Why can’t Kelly?

Source:

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/football_records/DI/2008/Pages%20383-404%20-%202008%20Coaching%20Records.pdf

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May we hand you your taints on a silver platter...

by 071903 on May 19, 2009 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent work. You get extra recess today.

by grimc on May 19, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see any extra (rec)ess?

?

May we hand you your taints on a silver platter...

by 071903 on May 19, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m going to guess a number, just off the top of my head…

23?

It’s spelled "S-H-U-M-W-O-W"

by JShufelt on May 19, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My bet is Chip makes fewer of these mistakes than Bellotti had been making...

Remember the Civil War two years ago?? If we could have got the field goal unit on the field we win the game and have another ten win season. How about the bowl game against wake forest? Seemed like Bellotti blew that too. How about the desperation going for two to start the Boise St game last year? I think Chip is going to bring an east coast anal attentiveness to the program that Bellotti could not and the main point is that these “new coach mistakes” being cited were already taking place with Bellotti at the helm.

by NICKPAPAGEORGIOTHEDUCK on May 19, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on. If you want to argue that Bellotti was bad, there are ways to do it. But your examples are just plain silly. Worst of all is the Boise State two-point conversion. Over the past few years, we’ve been going for two quite a bit. Sometimes it’s worked, sometimes it hasn’t. Boise State was one time it didn’t. It had nothing to do with “desperation.”

I also think that the whole “East Coast” idea which has been floating around is equally ridiculous (and only seems to be parroted by people that rarely leave the west coast). Mike Bellotti and Chip Kelly have different personalities. This has nothing to do with whether or not they will make mistakes. You can be successful either way.

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by jtlight on May 19, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

just to echo jtlight’s sentiments, going for 2 has been a standard part of our offense since Chip Kelly has been with Oregon. Also, being “anal attentive” doesn’t guarantee you anything. It is a different management style, both work. Bellotti was very much a program manager in the way that he organized the program. He let his coaches coach. We are too early in the Chip Kelly era to see how he will eventually unfold but he will have his own style.

A careful distinction…just because a play doesn’t work or is “botched” doesn’t mean it is always Mike Bellotti’s fault. I hope you won’t ream Chip Kelly for “coaching mistakes” when a two point conversion doesn’t work or Masoli fumbles the ball on an option play or what have you.

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by dvieira on May 19, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don’t think the first year thing is that big of a deal. As much as it’s fun to point at, I haven’t really seen an example of what could go wrong. First year guys are often times an improvement, simply due to an infusion of energy.

Sure, there are some busts, but Oregon isn’t in that position. If Chip fails, it will be because he’s a bad coach, not because he overlooked something. And really, what could he overlook?

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by jtlight on May 19, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I'm too literal to say anything but fiction

Now if it said at least 10 wins I’d pick fact.
My reasons:
1) Go ducks
2) Masoli’s “think ankles”
3) With a last name like Blount the god of football nicknames will make sure he has a good year.
4) We are bound to have a year when our receivers don’t disappoint sometime during the second half of the decade.
5) I feel it in my gut, just like when my Aunt felt Obama was the anti-Christ. Now I’m sure that Obama is not the anti-Christ, but I am not my aunt. Lawyered!
6) GO DUCKS!

by bradLL99 on May 18, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, you wanna get literal....

If the Ducks have 11 wins, they will also have 10 wins. :P

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by jtlight on May 18, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

a ha!

It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."

I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by Takimoto on May 18, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fact

We have as much talent as I can remember and CK is a guru workhorse. Gotta like our chances. The three units of concern: offensive line, secondary, defensive line. The latter quelled any concern of mine with Bair’s consistency and the Tukuafu/Rowe tandem. Add in Ferras/Toeaini being interchangeable at the other DT spot, Montgomery playing adequately, and Iupati’s impending arrival and we have a decent shot of putting together a good dline. The secondary is hard to guage because of all the injuries. There is so much talent there that it’s hard to forsee them underperforming. Then again, how much worse can we be? The individual talent level will be lower but as a unit they should be more productive in all passing statistics. With Jackson III moving to the Rover spot and Glasper ( with umpteen years in the system, all the accolade, and physical tools) holding the other CB spot, we should have the experience. Likewise, Jackson as the Rover means that someone will be deep instead of having two rugged run stuffers back there. On the defensive front, this is the coming out party for Oregon and the linbacking corp. We’ve been recruiting well there and the old guard has moved on and this is the year for the new guard to shine. This should alleviate concerns for the secondary and d-line.

The offensive line is my biggest concern and somehow I wonder how this can be since it has been such a staple for so long. We have more talent than ever but it’s not refined. Watch for Forer and Golpashin to pick up 1 year schollies and move our scholarship count to 11 with WARD added as well. 4 more guys are coming in with 2 possibly adding to our depth.

Our running back situation is probably one of the best in the Pac-10 people. You all make me laugh with the 4 scholarship problem. Look at Oregon State after Quizz. Kenjon Barner is a viable option. LGB worked out the hardest last summer. Crenshaw had a minor injury. Masoli is almost another running back. Harper will take snaps. This is one of our deepest and most talented units.

by BisonDucks on May 18, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fact

I pretty much agree with dvieira on the “must win” and “like to win categorizations” but I’m not going to try to break it down game by game. We might beat USC and lose to Arizona in the desert. I doubt it but who knows! I’d rather analyze by position group. Our O-line is the only unit on the team that isn’t in what I deem to be better shape now than we were at this time last year. Start with the D-boys. I think we all knew in our guts these guys were a little too cocky. Thurmond is the MAN and I think we will be better this year in the secondary (everyone is going to shoot me for this but) without Pat Chung. He was not the right kind of safety to complement TJ Ward in a system that puts too much pressure on the safeties to both run support and help the corners. (And TJ was a bigger game changer than Pat last year- see Holiday Bowl hit). I think whoever fills in where Byrd left will be better at covering the deep ball. Plus the spring worries in this unit seem to be unjustified. People need to consider that several of the players in this group who didn’t play this spring definately could have if it were gametime. Next, to me it seems like this is the best (in terms of the three starters) and deepest linebacking corps that we’ve had since I can remember. As far as the D-line goes I don’t think we had any more reason to think last year’s unit would do well than we do this year’s. For the most part we were undersized and deemed under-talented up front going into last year. We’ll be ok here.
On the offensive side the O-line stands as still the BIG question mark. To this I say, lets remember where we stood starting the 2007 season. I don’t think anyone was saying our O-line would amaze people that year and it wound up with something like 4 guys that went high in the draft over the last two years. In the spring we didn’t even get a glimpse of what our O-line will most likely look like come fall. Plus Dickson is the man and will help our O-line out a bit as well. At receiver we all knew the “Nike Vision” training that J-Will participated in wasn’t going to keep him from dropping balls. And, it DIDN’T. Our receivers if nothing else should not have the dropsy curse this year IMO. The last but not least this year should be Masoli and the quarterbacks but (also for the first time that I can remember) I think we could win 7 or 8 games with a back up (Roper, Costa, Thomas) this year but it doesn’t matter cause Masoli is a beast. Gotta love those “thick ankles.” So the last for me is the running backs. I am a Blount believer and think he will be a menace to other teams. Also, the question to me is not whether a talented back will step in and make highlight reel runs and pile up big yards alongside Blount. This will happen! The question is; will whoever shares the workload be able to consistently carry the ball without fumbling in key situations. To me this seems to be the ONLY thing that “could” stop the Ducks next year from getting to 10 wins!!! Go DUCKS! Oh yeah, “Who do we hate?…….Boise St.”

by NICKPAPAGEORGIOTHEDUCK on May 18, 2009 6:11 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Holy crap

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by qrsouther on May 18, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re just spoiled. You probably have one of those fancy shmancy return keys. Hell, you probably have two.

Kids these days. Sheesh.

by grimc on May 18, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Touche.

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by qrsouther on May 18, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting take on the DB’s, I like it. I also dont remember a lot of other people making the point that we had some players injured in the spring who would have played if it were the fall. Its a good one. I think we will be in a good shape when the planes head out to Boise.

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by trumpetduck on May 18, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

great post Nick. Rec for you…and not just because you agreed with me. ;)

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by dvieira on May 18, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm for most of these things

welcome to SBNation and AtQ bee tee dubs.

It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."

I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by Takimoto on May 18, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fiction (For now)

I think we end up 9-3. I don’t have any qualms with Chip Kelly as a head coach, I’m more concerned with the players, esp. the offensive line and the running game. I’m beginning to have worst case thoughts about Blount as a feature back. A look at the schedule, and I see more than a couple games we could lose, starting with the first four and ending with @Arizona (nothing good ever happens in Tuscon), and Civil War (at home, but still). I’m just cautious with my prediction right now, that’s all.

It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."

I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by Takimoto on May 18, 2009 9:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

oh for ducks sake.

nevermind.

by grimc on May 18, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ERRONEOUS!!

It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."

I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by Takimoto on May 18, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

erroneous on both counts!

Sleeping under an avalanche with Cartman, wake me Sept 3.

by trumpetduck on May 19, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your handles both start with T, that rhymes with B which stands for Bandgeek. Or beerbong. It’s just a working theory right now, still refining it.

by grimc on May 19, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Try going down that second road.

Sleeping under an avalanche with Cartman, wake me Sept 3.

by trumpetduck on May 19, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have the same worries about Blount as the feature back. I super duper hope I’m wrong.
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by echris on May 19, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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