Another example of why old media is dying, and why the Internet will win
The last few days have seen a flurry of terrible writing regarding the University of Oregon. Many pieces have lacked logic, journalism, and objectivity. While we have some great writers like Rob Moseley, who have covered this situation as a journalist should, we have also seen writers like John Hunt insert opinion into what should be news articles. And we've endured some terrible opinion pieces, like one written by Dwight Jaynes. The long time columnist from Portland has taken to the net, and in the past two days has written some of the most nonfactual, illogical and, in the end, immature posts I've ever read.
We talked a bit about this in the comments of the Roper post yesterday, but Jaynes turned in a stunningly bad piece that seemed to have almost no grasp on college football. Jaynes started his column out by talking about Masoli, and the continued with this warning:
But what makes it a little scary is that Coach Chip Kelly’s offense burns through quarterbacks the way an Indy car goes through tires on a hot day.
Oooh boy! Who cares about logic when you can create hilarious metaphors like that. But in all seriousness, I can understand people that would be concerned about QB depth. It could potentially become an issue. But when you burn through 4-5 QBs, as we did in 2007, it really makes very little difference how many QBs you have. Because when you get that far down the depth chart, you're dealing with quarterbacks who haven't even gotten many snaps in practice. So when you get to that point, you'll be starting from scratch anyway. He then continues:
Justin Roper was the real loss here. He was a proven quarterback with a big arm who might someday play on Sundays. He was a quality backup who could have started at some other Pac-10 schools.
First of all, this statement is so absurd I really wonder if Jaynes has ever seen Roper play. In what way did he prove himsef on the field? His below-mediocre 117 QB rating? Furthermore, Roper does not have a "big arm," and he has almost no shot at playing in the NFL. He has not shown anything on the field that would make any scout think he could play in the NFL. Beyond that, Roper would have a shot at starting at a lower tier Pac-10 school. But even that would not be guaranteed. Roper was a backup with experience that knew his limitations and worked from that, admirably. But to overstate that is simply false.
But then we get to the bread and butter of the article....
Jayne's real concern is that Kelly said this, "I didn’t want any of them to transfer, but if they’re not happy not being the No. 1 guy at that position, then I can’t predict how that’s going to happen. [...] The one thing we can’t do is we can’t move Eugene, Oregon, closer to Kansas." Jaynes counters:
So, in other words, you want the guys who aren’t No. 1 to be happy about it? Obviously, they never will. Your job as a coach is to keep them around, anyway — either through a realization that they’ll probably eventually get a chance to play due to injury, graduation or whatever reason. That’s what coaches do, you know — they keep the 40 kids who aren’t starters around somehow, so that they have depth.
And as far as moving Eugene closer to Kansas, come on, pal, if distance from home is going to start becoming a problem — as is being said about both departing signal callers, Chris Harper and Roper — then you better stop recruiting players from outside the Pacific Northwest, which you’re obviously not going to do.
This is unfair to Chip Kelly on a number of levels. According to this logic, Kelly should have done whatever necesssary to keep this kids around. But, what if a kid doesn't want to be there anymore? Do you want a coach that will level with that kid, or one who will hem and haw and create a divisive environment. Chip Kelly runs a specifiic offense and has created an attitude of competition. If you have a player who doesn't want to have to deal with those two things, what in the world are you supposed to do? Are we really supposed to believe that Roper would have stuck around if Mike Bellotti were in charge, in which the offense would have been exactly the same and he would have been #2? Are we supposed to think that Harper would have stuck around in the exact same position? Of course not. But James claims otherwise, without any evidence or logic behind his statements, simply rumors that are the opposite of how a good college football program should be run.
Alright, so Jaynes wrote a bad article, what of it? Well, it received a number of comments, mostly from Duck fans, some reasoned and full of depth, and some not so much. That's the way the internet goes.
But, instead of responding to these criticisms head-on, Jaynes instead wrote a completely immature piece, which included the following:
I have to tell you, Oregon Duck fans, you’re a different breed. Most fans of teams can, at least once in a while, take an objective look at their favorite team.
They can see the bad things with the good. See the potential problems. Even make constructive criticism when merited because, really, all of that is part of being a fan. Overall, they’re capable of participating in objective discussions about their favorite team.
I find these statement one of the most ironic, considering that Jaynes could not discuss his own piece objectively. Instead of responding to rational criticism, he decided to lash out at an entire fan base.
Maybe Jaynes doesn't like his pieces getting called out as they should, but his first piece was terrible. His response was simply juvenile. If you don't want responses on your blog, don't open up comments. Furthermore, if you don't like the comments, don't belittle a large group of people.
And that's why the blogosphere in general will succeed. Because, at least around here, we foster cogent and constructive arguments. Heck, most know how often and dvieira and I argue about all sorts of things. We have had very forceful disagreements many times, but that's not a bad thing. Alas, much of the old guard is still entrenched in their ways, and will treat fans accordingly. They do not want their opinions challenged. They are stuck in a world where they are important because of their connections, and they still think that they are the gateway to our sports information, so how dare we question them.
Well, the pillars of old media are crumbling. We have the ability to choose what information sources we want, and have the ability to demand the best from the media. But Jaynes and the media he represents refuse to admit that. And that's why they are failing, and blogs and other new media sources will win the day.
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by dvieira on May 28, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Rec you back!!!
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by jtlight on May 28, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You both are dirty rotten pieces of Rec’d.
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by JShufelt on May 28, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used to think Jaynes was great
But now he’s just an angry old man…
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by skywaker9 on May 28, 2009 1:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's just Dwight being Dwight
I’ve been reading Dwight Jaynes for 20 years, and you can always count on him trying to get a rise out of his readership. His favorite targets are (1) Blazers fans, (2) Soccer fans, and (3) U of O fans. On top of that, he’s always been a glass-half-empty type.
Jaynes was Canzano before there was Canzano. Always stirring the pot just for the sake of being “controversial” or “provocative”.
Your criticism is dead on. Just remember that he WANTS you to get mad.
by DavisDuck on May 28, 2009 1:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Except somehow I don't think Dwight
Would get into an argument with a drunk coach’s wife or if he did talk and write about it…
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by skywaker9 on May 28, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jared, great piece.
Being provocative loses any credence if done as irresponsibly as Jaynes in the two examples cited above. Then provocative simply becomes laughable. If I could say one thing to Dwight, it would be simply: “Dude, you’re a professional. Act like it. Former journalists like myself used to look up to guys like you. There’s no need to go all Charles Barkley on us.”
In my book Dwight Jaynes is still great. He got lazy on his first post. I’m not even sure what to say about the follow up. Clearly he doesn’t read ATQ, where many of us recognize and acknowledge both the good and the bad.
I'm really tired of it not being football season.
by JConant on May 28, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Dwight's purpose in writing is to get me mad...
he failed.
If Dwight’s purpose in writing is to make me think he is a douchebag, he succeeded.
by WhenDUXattacK! on May 29, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're being a little hard on the Roper comments
Although I thought they were a little over the top. Roper could probably start at UW, ASU, UA, WSU, and probably OSU and UCLA. You’re leaving Cal and Oregon as the only schools with established QBs, and USC and Stanford with hot-shot young guys (Corp and Luck) I don’t think Roper is a “lower-tier Pac10 guy.” He was just in the wrong system. I’ve said it before, I would love to see what Roper could do in OSU’s pro-style offense.
As for Jaynes comment about Kelly needing to make the other non-starters happy, its true, as a coach, he does. Just look at what Pete Carroll does. Their 3 deep could start at most Pac-10 schools. And the distance thing is an issue as well. While kids from all over the country don’t mind playing at USC, Eugene is not LA. It doesn’t have the same draw as LA. So while a kid from Kansas or Georgia or Tennessee or Texas or wherever might be wowed over by the facilities, the stadium, and think that life in Eugene is “OK”, its hard to get a full 4 year feel for a city in a 3 day weekend visit. It’s not anything wrong with Chip Kelly, and I wouldn’t say “stop recruiting 4 star guys from the midwest on the chance they get a little homesick.” But it is a big risk you take anytime to transplant a kid like that.
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by The VD Special on May 28, 2009 2:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you make some valid points.
However, imagine Roper being in Orange and Black. Is he going to start over Canfield or even Moevao? Maybe, but I think even Moevao has better mechanics, (Though Roper has better decision making as a passer).
Pete Carroll doesn’t keep all his recruits. Broderick Green went back home to Arkansas, Vidal Hazelton is finishing his collegiate career in Cincinatti, and Jamere Holland was the spring star in Oregon. That’s only off the top of my head, and that’s only in the last couple years. If our pulse was closer to the USC machine, we’d probably be more aware of their transfers.
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by JShufelt on May 28, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Pete Carroll has a history of recruits leaving
However, if you’re going to tell me that Oregon is as deep as USC’s… well, I know you’re not so I’ll save the sarcasm.
USC had at one point 9 Parade All American RUNNING BACKS on their roster. The only two to transfer were Green and Moody. For Pete Carroll to keep as many guys happy at USC is quite astonishing. It’s noted across the country.
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by The VD Special on May 28, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RB #4 through #7 still happy on the bench at USC? Maybe. Today’s Parade All-American doesn’t want a National Championship ring, he wants an NFL contract. Pete’s somehow convinced a bunch of these guys that he can get them there through his wisdom, his vast connections and a good statistical performance at Trojans Senior Workout Day.
Let’s see how many of those guys become bitter former Carroll Kool-Aid drinkers, or at least regret not leaving USC for more playing time, when they don’t become the next Matt Cassel.
I'm really tired of it not being football season.
by JConant on May 28, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even then, is that the point for most college programs?
I think the point is that you want to foster competition in your program. You need to get the best out of your players, and if a few don’t want to deal with that, then so be it. Roper and Pflugrad are nice backups, but they aren’t gonna be winning Pac-10 titles. Harper was very talented, but wasn’t going to be playing QB, and that’s what he wanted. That’s just the way things roll.
It’s not like there is mass program dissatisfaction or something. This is a few transfers, for very logical and specific reasons.
As to VD and Jayne’s original point that you need to keep your non-starters happy, then yes, that’s true. But you also need to temper that with reason and do what’s best for your squad as a whole, which I feel Chip Kelly is doing. Competition and honesty will suit the program much better in the long run, even if we lose a couple players here and there.
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by jtlight on May 28, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mass program dissatisfaction is the card all Duck haters or “trying to be provocative” columnists are going to play. Whatever, I think we all understand that we’re simply seeing a rash of kids making rational decisions.
I’d rather be seeing these kinds of defections than losing players to academic failure, criminal activities or – as we’ve experienced too often – untimely death. The depth issue, is just that, an issue. It will be addressed. Otherwise, I think these transfers ultimately will serve to bring this team closer together. The program went through some changes over the past two years. Those who have stuck it out will find pride and solidarity in the fact that they did so.
I'm really tired of it not being football season.
by JConant on May 28, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s also important to remember, that these transfers really won’t affect Oregon for this football year, esp. the receivers, but definitely add a challenge to recruiting over the next year or two.
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by jtlight on May 28, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kelly will get a QB or two in next year's recruiting class
But he was going to have to anyways, with Masoli and Roper graduating in a couple years
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by The VD Special on May 28, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. I completely agree. The entire staff is going to really be under the gun to land some solid commits. I realize they recruit by region, but it will be interesting to see what Scott Frost can come up with as receivers coach.
Also, it makes Robert Bolden (4* dual-threat QB from MI) a big juicy target as he visits Eugene next month. It sounds like he considers himself a runner and passer ideal for the spread. Looking at his list of schools the real competition will be U of Michigan in his home state. Let’s hope 1) he’s not a lifelong Big Blue fan, and 2) he saw Oregon’s visit to The Big House a couple years back.
He’s already being compared by scouts to Dennis Dixon. I’d like to see him in green and yellow (and no Quinn, I don’t mean the Edmonton Eskimos).
I'm really tired of it not being football season.
by JConant on May 28, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me?
Was that a Quinn the Eskimo joke there?
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by qrsouther on May 29, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. Just making a random reference to befuddle you. I was bored.
I'm really tired of it not being football season.
by JConant on May 29, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I didn’t think about the solidarity thing, which could definitely pay dividends. Good point.
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by jtlight on May 28, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on most points
Roper and Pflugrad are nice backups, but they aren’t gonna be winning Pac-10 titles.
Championships are won with depth. You honestly like your chances if Masoli goes down and DT is thrown into the helm? I know he has tons of upside, but he isn’t ready to lead the team. Roper could have stepped in and at least maintained leadership.
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by The VD Special on May 28, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I talked about this a bit yesterday, but I like our chances with Thomas better than Roper, in a certain way. Thomas gives us a better chance to beat mediocre and up teams, due to his talent. But he also gives us a better chance to lose against inferior opponents, due to his inexperience and inconsistency. So, I really don’t mind having less experience but more talent at that position, especially in the backup role. Having Thomas be the sole #2 and get all those reps will be very good in the long run. And as far as leadership…Thomas showed some very good leadership against BSU, almost bringing us a victory.
In terms of receivers, I’m not worried about the depth there at all. We got some nice pickups, including JC guys, in the latest class, so we should be pretty set there. Plus, with the insane depth we have at TE, we’re gonna get getting them involved more.
So yeah, while you do need depth, we still have a lot of it.
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by jtlight on May 28, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry VD, but it had nothing to do with the wrong system. Roper can’t throw the ball down the field. He doesn’t have the arm strength and lofts balls. Roper got beat out because he got injured, and Masoli was a better passer that was given a chance to prove himself.
As far as other Pac-10 schools, Roper wouldn’t play at UW because of Locker. He also most likely would have problems beating out Sullivan at ASU or whichever QB UA goes with. He might play at UCLA or WSU, but I have a feeling that either one of those coaches would want a chance to develop their QBs that have a high ceiling. If he wants to go to OSU, I would LOVE that. His arm strength is just not good enough, and that makes him very easy to gameplan.
As far as Pete Carroll, do you know how many players transfer from USC every year? Carroll fosters competition. Those players who don’t want to deal with that, leave. Seems to have worked out pretty good for them, don’t ya think?
As far as distance, Oregon has plenty of players from all around the country that are playing for them. They have been recruiting nationally for some time. And for the most part, it hasn’t been a problem. On top of that, I think the whole distance thing is a cop-out. You’re telling me Harper wouldn’t have left had he been the QB starter or Roper? They weren’t happy in the program, so be it. It’s just an added excuse, because you don’t want to say, “I didn’t want to compete anymore.”
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by jtlight on May 28, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think his arm strength is worse than Moevao’s or Canfield’s? Those guys have weak arms, but produce decent numbers because the passing offense is passed on precisely timed routes. Roper has (from what I’ve seen) decent enough accuracy. I think all in all, he was given fewer games than Masoli to prove himself, wasn’t he? I don’t think it’s fair to judge him quite yet.
As for where he’d play, let me clarify: I think that he could play at those schools HAD he been there the whole time with their current QB situation. You are not going to see much from Sullivan this year, as he hasn’t proved anything to anyone. I follow ASU closely, and it appears there is a major drop off between Carpenter and Sullivan.
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by The VD Special on May 28, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From seeing him for the games I did...
I just don’t think he’s a starting QB on the top 8 pac-10 teams. With OSU, for example, at least your QBs put some zip on their throws. Roper can’t do that. He just wasn’t a threat down the field. I don’t think he’d be able to get the ball down the center of the field like Moevao did in the Civil War. It just take too long to get there.
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by jtlight on May 28, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Fouts put it in one of our broadcasts last year
“I don’t know if Roeper threw as many teams in a single season in HS as he throws in a single game for Oregon.”
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by skywaker9 on May 28, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As many times of course...
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by skywaker9 on May 28, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a hard time with the "Don't recruit out of the NW"
People change their minds all the time and I think college choice is no different. I am sure that every recruit has had the quandry of thought about how far from home they will or will not be. The difference to the guys that stick around is use the theory of “is this worth it?” The guys that stay, think the situation is worth it, and those that don’t transfer. Roper and Harper are both examples of the latter. It seems that neither had a knee-jerk reactions to leaving and both had the thought of transferring on their minds for a while. Only after it seemed that their roles on the team were not going to improve they figured it was time to move on and try their hand at success elsewhere. It makes sense that they transfer now, as they were still in the middle of term and under scholarship. They also benefitted from the organized workouts and team drills.
I agree with VD’s point about it being tough to get the grasp of city after being there for a weekend. That is where you have to use the “is it worth it?” question. Guys will suck it up and play their balls off if they know they are in the right situation. You don’t see a lot of transferring at OSU, so I am assuming that guys like being on that team and that it is the right place for them, because if you think that adapting to Eugene is bad…try Corvallis. The guys know that coming into college. If it is an issue, it was an issue before they started school and there is not much you can do about changing that. If Jaynes has a better solution, he had (has) the perfect outlet to let the world know, but failed.
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by 071903 on May 28, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s important to think about how the blogosphere opens the door for more minds like Jaynes as much as it does minds like Jared and Dom. Blogs give ordinary people the right to broadcast their opinions to anyone who will listen, and any of us have the right to believe and say anything we want. The biggest paradigm shift is in the fostering of communities. You can find people online that believe similar things you believe, and if someone like Jaynes came into AtQ and tried to pull that crap he’d just get shunned.
It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."
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by Takimoto on May 28, 2009 3:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But if they were able to voice their opinions reasonably, then they’d get the Rec’d beat out of them.
"It’s spelled S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-E-U-P"
by JShufelt on May 28, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he’d get roundly mocked before any shunning. In fact, I think most people wouldn’t shun him. Why shun when you can mock?
by grimc on May 28, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Why shun when you can mock?
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by trumpetduck on May 29, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Comments by some posters at the Register Guard and Oregon Live are not easy to take. It is better to just read the blog and change the page. It is almost not worth logging in to put your two cents in on those sites.
I really enjoy the commentary here at this site. I think that 99% of the contributions here are worth reading, thought provoking, and respectful to others. I like it here.
May we hand you your taints on a silver platter...
by 071903 on May 28, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey now
that’s not fair! i try really hard to be smart! ;)
It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."
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by Takimoto on May 28, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
99%?
I TOLD my mom i was unique!
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by JShufelt on May 28, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if someone like Jaynes came into AtQ and tried to pull that crap he’d just get shunned.
Great, Im gonna be shunned now? By yet ANOTHER SBN Blog???
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by TwistNHook on May 31, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with your basic premise
Jayne’s comments are not indicative of the demise of traditional media. It’s actually more indicative of the problems with new media. If he’d been reporting for the O or the Journal or the Trib, he’d have been required to do his research and verify his facts. What he posited on his blog is pure self indulgence with not a lick of research.
I’m pretty sure he didn’t read more than one other blog entry on the matter and then made a rush to judgment colored by his own bias against the UofO. If he’d actually read more of the posts regarding the football team’s defections, he’d have realized that there is a logical explanation for each kids’ departure and it had nothing to do with Chip Kelly.
This is not a professional approach and, unfortunately, is all too familiar in the psuedo-journalistic blogosphere. The internet has given non-professional commentators a stage to share their skewed perspectives with no accountability.
I guess we should give the old coot a break. He’s trying to fit in to the new paradigm and he’s bought in hook, line and sinker to what stinks about blogs. If you ask me it’s a sad day for honest, professional journalism. It’s too easy to isolate ourselves in only what we want to hear. Objectivity is gone.
by roadtrip on May 28, 2009 6:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
If he’d been reporting for the O or the Journal or the Trib, he’d have been required to do his research and verify his facts.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Canzano, Meehan, Hunt et al. have proven time and time again that there is little to no editorial control over what they write. They run rumors and apply a thin veneer of proof with the words: “an unnamed source”.
But I agree with your, uh, disagreement as far as Jaynes’ piece not being indicative of the demise of dead tree journalism. The gonads at the Boregonian are indicative of the demise of traditional journalism—if you think that means proof-based, well-vetted reporting and writing. They see the internet as something lesser, and behave accordingly. It’s like somebody thinking, “NASCAR races are full of drunk racists, so when I got to a NASCAR race I’m going to get liquored up and yell racial slurs.”
But Jaynes’ piece, I think, is evidence of the strength of internet journalism. Any idiot can write any stupid thing, and people can immediately react.
by grimc on May 28, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that criticism, but I also think that Jaynes, due to his extensive background in journalism, and bragging on the bio of his site, make it a bit of a different case. To me, it’s not as much about medium, but attitude of how information is given. Jaynes is obviously in the group that thinks that information should be transmitted through the select few, and when he is questioned, that is somehow wrong.
What Jaynes put on his site is the same thing countless columnists around the country would put on their blogs, columns, etc. I think grimc did a good job saying that below.
I agree with what you said about objectivity, and that was my problem with James. He was called out on his crap, and he refused to listen. He was stuck in his old ways. And that’s the problem with the media establishment, no matter if it’s online or in print.
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by jtlight on May 28, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This does come down to an issue of accountability, whether it’s Jaynes utilizing some self-accountability on his personal blog or Canzano, Meehan, Hunt, and I’ll add Buker as well, being held accountable by editor bosses. It just doesn’t exist for columnists in this day and age. Really, it can’t exist.
When newspapers fulfilled a service that could not be equaled – daily news with ample space to tell the whole story (versus time constrained radio or TV) readership and subscriber bases took care of themselves and the advertising revenue flowed. If you wanted news in detail, you had to read the paper. A proverbial Golden Goose. The demise of accountability is due to the fact that editors can no longer “afford” the traditional “just the facts” journalism.
Just look at all the side bar adds, Google paid links and pop-under ads you get at the R-G site, at OregonLive and at other media outlets. To generate revenue online those columns and stories need page views and visits and clicks, etc. So desperate are these old media outlets that they have sacrificed the integrity they held to for decades as a means of trying to stay afloat. Yes, we can find plenty of examples of writers who are doing it far better than some of the guys we’ve mentioned. Mosley comes to mind. Also Bob Condotta at the Seattle Times, in my opinion.
The guys who cannot, or chose not to, produce quality, compelling written work have only one other way to attract the needed audience and that’s by creating traction via garbage. It’s like driving past the distinct smell or roadkill. You don’t really want to see what it looks like, but the scent seems to trigger a “where is it” mechanism that is somewhat unsatisfied if you don’t spot the flattened Beaver – er, rodent – as you speed past. Sometimes you just have to stop and read Canzano or Jaynes.
roadtrip, I agree with you that Jaynes is an example of an old guy trying to learn a new trick and failing pretty bad. Just the same, Jared’s exactly right in saying the old media is dying. I just don’t think it’s dying because of the Jaynes or Canzanno types. Rather, the Jaynes and Canzanno types are unchecked in their spewing of crap because old media is dying.
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PDXShogun makes an excellent point below…we are now the accountability. Want compelling, objective, fact-filled content about Oregon football, Beaver football or Blazer basketball? Then stop reading the work of columnists who are too lazy to produce it.
I'm really tired of it not being football season.
by JConant on May 28, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yep!
Want compelling, objective, fact-filled content about Oregon football, Beaver football or Blazer basketball? Then stop reading the work of columnists who are too lazy to produce it.
Truth be told, I didn’t even read Jaynes’ column after reading the breakdown by Jared. I commented on the overall situation based on what Jared wrote. I simply didn’t want to waste my time after reading Jared’s post. I later read both of Jaynes’ posts (and subsequent reader comments) and was sorry that I spent the time going to the site. It’s my own fault…
May we hand you your taints on a silver platter...
by 071903 on May 28, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PDXShogun makes an excellent point below…we are now the accountability. Want compelling, objective, fact-filled content about Oregon football, Beaver football or Blazer basketball? Then stop reading the work of columnists who are too lazy to produce it.
Sure, we’re the accountability, but avoiding the work of columnists isn’t the answer, I don’t think. It would be better to try and contact those above him, and to call him out on it.
Just my perspective.
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by JShufelt on May 29, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Want compelling, objective, fact-filled content about Oregon football, Beaver football or Blazer basketball?
No. I want BOOBIES!
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by TwistNHook on May 31, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sounds like Twist is already tailgating
"Oregon didn't have 694 yards of total offense, Oregon State had 694 yards of total DEFENSE."
The Tyrant Boy-King of UC-Eugene
by echris on May 31, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glass half full
I tend to think the departure of players is a good sign. It means we have begun to be a magnet for talent and thus a surplus of folks at some skill positions. Nobody transfered when Don Read, or even Brooks was Oregon’s coach. Why? Well, where else could they go and get a scholarship. Nowhere, most likely.
Roper was decent and maybe could succeed somewhere else. More power to him. I see no reason to either denigrate him, nor denigrate Oregon.
When our starters begin to slip away, then I’ll worry. Have a beer, relax. We’re gonna be fine.
PS, Jaynes has always been full of shit.
Yes your ass looks big, you need to lose weight. Sorry, had to vent.
by Old Ducker on May 28, 2009 7:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This post was dead on
The new guard of media is holding the Dwight Jaynes’ of the world accountable in a way that they never have before. Reaction is everywhere and irresponsible journalism will be taken to task in a way it never has before. In this day and age, if you can’t handle the criticism, don’t put your opinion out there for all to see, especially on the internet where trolls from every fan base are lurking everywhere and in no means representative of an entire fan base.
I don’t really have a problem with his first post. He is entitled to his opinion no matter how short sighted it may be. It was his childish, snarky reaction to the criticism blew my mind. He couldn’t have handled himself any worse and shows a sad decline from a once respectable journalist.
by PDXShogun on May 28, 2009 9:26 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
You know...I can't be sure but...
I swear that some of the anti duck comments on Jayne’s blog sound familiar. They sound like someone we’ve not heard from in a long time.
You don’t think that…Naw…it couldn’t be…could it?
"Oregon didn't have 694 yards of total offense, Oregon State had 694 yards of total DEFENSE."
The Tyrant Boy-King of UC-Eugene
by echris on May 29, 2009 1:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The real question is:
Is Jaynes done with Sergio?
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by qrsouther on May 30, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs





















