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Are The Ducks Going Through A Recruiting Crisis?

I was bummed when Tahj Boyd selected Clemson. He could have been a great fit as a QB in Oregon's spread offense. I was disappointed when Bryce Brown picked Tennessee, and a little put off by his stating that Oregon couldn't prep him for the NFL like UT. I wasn't expecting Aaron Plugrad to leave the program, but it made sense. I wasn't at all surprised when Chris Harper left, but still, it hurt a little. I was surprised when Justin Roper bailed.

Then, this past weekend...

I didn't see Oklahoma coming in the recruitment of running back Brennan Clay. Especially after Clay just weeks ago was proclaiming Oregon to be "...kind of my dream school." I'll admit I was a bit shocked when I then read that running back Ethan Grant publicly stated he was re-opening his recruitment after having committed to the Ducks earlier in the year.

It all has me pondering one question:  Do the Oregon Ducks have a recruiting crisis?

Yes, I believe they do. Sort of.

I'll explain after the jump.

Star-divide

Why worry?

I get the sense the Ducks are falling behind in the race and I don't think we know yet whether Chip Kelly and his new-look staff have the late kick of an Oregon distance runner.

Yes, I realize that no player is a lock until he shows up in the locker room, puts on his high-tech cooling pads and rapid-dry jersey and takes the field. Yes, I may be overreacting. Our Ducks need solid running back recruits this year. One just walked away from his dream school and the other is suddenly up in the air. The competition for top talent out west is heating up and the Ducks appear to be having a tough time sealing the deal.

If you put Ethan Grant's commitment on ice for the time being, the Ducks have two verbals here in early June - local 4-star talent Curtis White and 3-star cornerback Terrance Mitchell from Sacramento.

Compare that to a couple otherwise mediocre-to-bad Pac-10 performers from 2008. Stanford has 16 verbals, and they're not just a bunch of smart 2-star guys. Coach Harbaugh has landed a couple 4-stars and a slew of 3-star players from all across the country. Washington is having a great recruiting season. The Dawgs now have nine verbals including yesterday's announcement by 4-star QB Nick Montana. Unlike Stanford, the best talent UW is landing is mostly local. Steve Sarkisian clearly is protecting the Seattle area from getting pilfered by Oregon and Oregon State. The University of Mother Earth at Berkeley (a.k.a. Cal) also is taking care of business with six verbals, including 4-star players from both Colorado and Texas.

Brand erosion for Oregon football?

So what exactly is Oregon's problem? I'm looking squarely at circumstances that have enabled a lot of potential anti-Duck propaganda. Circumstances from 2007 and 2008 are now question marks in 2009.

A few stars have fallen to injury the past couple years - Dennis Dixon, Jeremiah Johnson in ‘07, Roper early last year, Jeremiah Masoli against Boise State. The team, despite all the talent in 2007 and 2008, was unable to avoid three or four losses. LaGarrette Blount put up poor stats against quality linebacker units at USC and Cal. The top position coach in the nation tried to leave Oregon after the '08 season, but came in second place for a head coaching position and ended up hanging around. A couple other coaches were dismissed and replaced with new faces. The venerable Mike Bellotti announced he would leave sometime after the 2008 season, then stepped away and handed the whistle to a guy who has yet to prove himself as a head coach. Three reasonably high-profile players exit the program within a couple weeks following spring ball.

Those are circumstances, and not pretty ones.

We of green and yellow blood have faith. You and I believe in Chip Kelly and his new coaching additions. We understand that the Ducks lost second string guys and have depth and talent at those positions. We understand that one lost recruit just opens the door for another talented player.

The circumstances, however, raise questions. Those questions are easily manipulated into doubt. And I have no doubt those questions are being raised repeatedly by powerful coaches who covet many of the same talented players Oregon is recruiting. The Lane Kiffins and Bob Stoops of the world must be hammering away at Oregon's credibility as they pitch their programs as better options to talented young men who are likely swimming in the attention and overwhelmed by the enormity of it all.

That, my ATQ friends, is the "sort of" to the answer to my own question.

This crisis, in my opinion, isn't a matter of Oregon lacking a good product to sell. It is the result of Oregon's top competition having easy targets when it comes to Oregon's identity. In marketing we might refer to Oregon's crisis as an issue of brand erosion.

Oh, the stories they must tell.

"Their QBs all get hurt." "They've only played in one BCS game since 2001." "They'll never win a conference championship because USC has overwhelming talent." " Their spread offense doesn't translate into developing an NFL-worthy profile." "Their coaching staff is unproven." "Some of their best players are leaving so the new coaches must be difficult to play for."

Imagine that you're an 18-year-old with potential million dollar talent. You're hearing all that rhetoric from guys named Stoops, Kiffin, Sarkisian, Neuheisel, Tedford, Miles, Brown, Meyer, Saban, Tressel, Leach, Gundy, Erickson, Riley and many of their esteemed assistants. Are you not buying into those messages and basing your verbal commitment on the appearance of a more stable and nurturing program?

I believe that's exactly what's going on. The vulnerability door is open and Oregon's big-time competition is running through it full speed.

Am I crazy? Maybe.

Just to check, I bounced some thoughts off Chris Fetters, who covers college football recruiting in the Pacific NW for Scout.com. Chris gave me the encouraging notion that we're just seeing a natural process play out.

"To be honest, whenever there is regime change, there's going to be change in how things are done, who the new staff likes, and how that affects not only the current players on staff, but also the ones that were being recruited by the previous staff, but are now possibly looking at a different set of issues.  That's what you're seeing right now." He added, "Is it pretty?  No. But I think [Chip] Kelly has been very smart about reporting on the players that are leaving now, simply because by the time fall camp starts, that will no longer be the story."

Since Chris covers the Northwest closely, I asked him what he was hearing about Chip Kelly the new head coach, relative to recruiting. Chris had this response: "To be honest, coming from my neck of the woods - which is the NW - Kelly's recruiting hasn't been all that different from Mike Bellotti's. They target their in-state guys and whatnot, but Oregon's recent success has had as much to do with how they've recruited from afar as it has from recruiting in-state.  So it doesn't surprise me at all that Kelly is recruiting nationally, and recruiting for very specific needs. His offense is highly powerful and sophisticated, and it needs the right body types to run at a high idle."

We probably agree, Chris has a pragmatic view of what's going on. I get it. The Ducks are swinging for some top shelf players that might help Chip score 56 points a game, and they're going to whiff on a few curveballs. Still, natural process or not, I can't help thinking that Oregon this year might struggle to win battles over high-profile recruits. It's my theory and I'm sticking to it. Slippage in recruiting, while conference rivals are beginning to excel, troubles me.

Is there a fix? Absolutely!

Of course, there is a way to stop the slippage (that's a great word, slippage, which I confess, I am stealing from author Stephen King).

If Oregon can't land many of their top targets this year, the coaches need to be ultra-savvy and find some gems among the cast-offs of other top-20 programs. They need to continue mining the JC ranks for guys who fit the Oregon scheme and can play or add depth immediately.

Then the Ducks simply need to win. They need to beat Boise State on the road, and Utah and Cal at home this coming season. Beating USC in Eugene again in 2009 would be huge. The Ducks need to make a Michigan-sized statement at Tennessee next year, and then generate a surge of momentum as the program transitions from the Masolian period to the Thomasonian period.

Win. Send players to the NFL in fair numbers. Earn a BCS bowl bid in the next two years. Beat a quality SEC team on the road. Give USC hell. Do all of that and simply prove all of the anti-Oregon arguments to be empty, hollow. Change the circumstances. It's a tall, tall order.

I feel uneasy looking at the recruiting notes and seeing Oregon with two verbals and Stanford with 16. I know it's early, but on my compass, that needle is pointing south. Time will tell how Chip Kelly's first recruiting season as head coach turns out for the short term.

If a recruiting turnaround happens this Fall and Oregon can continue to win nine, 10 or more games a year, the long term prospects will take care of themselves. Win and great recruits will come to Eugene, just like they do in Norman and Lincoln and Columbus and Tuscaloosa.

Then maybe, just maybe, I can stop sweating college football in the middle of June.

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by WhenDUXattacK! on Jun 10, 2009 11:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Whhy I'm not worried yet....

At this point, we just don’t know anything at all. I think we had a very solid recruiting class last year, and there is no reason to worry about 2010 at this point, which could end up being one of the best Oregon classes in some time. We’re pursuing many, many kids. As much as Clay going to OU stings, we are going after many running backs just as good.

I also think that it’s not a good idea to get worried over early commits. Oregon has never had many early commitments, and there’s little reason that is going to change. I mean, we had Diante Jackson commit early, then switch to Colorado, then back to Oregon on signing day. When you’re dealing with 17 year olds, you never know what will happen.

Which is why I never get wrapped up in a single recruit, or even in recruiting early in the game. A lot can happen before February, with a whole football season to play before signing day.

In the end, it’s all a numbers game. Get as many good kids as possible and hope some play out. At this point, there’s little reason to think we won’t hit those numbers and goals. While it’s possible, I’ll worry about that after the football season is over.

One last point, I don’t think that Oregon is at much of a disadvantage over “brand” than other schools. While other schools can bring BS like, “you’re not gonna play pro,” blah blah blah, first, these type of statements are pretty untrue, and I think a lot of recruits can see through those types of things. Plus, Oregon coaches could make similar allegations if they wanted to. It just depends on how you think you’re gonna convince a kid to come to your school.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Jun 10, 2009 11:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Few things in response

First, please don’t ask Fetters about Oregon. This is the same guy who rated 5’10 and slow WR Cody Bruns a 4* on scout and Nick Cody (Who should start this year at RT as a redshirt freshman) a 3*. This after attending camps with both Cody and OL Alameda Ta-Amu (Another Washington signee rated 4*) but followed Ta-Amu around the camp like a kid running after an ice cream truck. The guy’s Washington bias has no limits.

Second, missing on Brown and Boyd did hurt but that’s the price Oregon has to pay to become a national recruiting power. We’re going to lose more than we win. The year before, we got four 4*s from east of the Rockies in Thomas, Harper, Blount, and James. Harper didn’t pan out but that’s another discussion. Brown’s decision was obviously not his, he even said so himself right after the commitment that if it was up to him, he would’ve committed to Oregon a long time ago. Overall though, the 2009 recruiting class was a success and was very solid top to bottom.

Third, I agree 100% about Oregon being hit hard by negative recruiting, even more-so than other schools. Hopefully top recruits will someday realize the BS. I guarantee you Kelly and Co. doesn’t care though. He’s going to drive on with solid recruits and turn them into 9+ win teams. If he has to do it with lower ranked kids who maybe aren’t as athletically gifted but have better work ethics and more of a chip on their shoulders, he will.

Fourth, I strongly believe that the 2010 recruiting class will be one of the strongest ever when it comes quality. They’re looking to take around 17-18 total recruits which is relatively small but the quality should be excellent. Ethan Grant is listening but in the end, he’s a Duck. He strikes me as a kid with values and I think he sticks with the team that’s shown him the most love before he blew up. He’d also be crazy not to want to tear it up in this offense with his speed. Losing Clay hurts, sure but there’s still tons of solid to exceptional recruits planning on visiting Oregon. LOI day is a long time from now and anything can happen but having three exceptional verbal commitments (Yes this is me saying Mitchell is underrated) this early gives Oregon one of their best starts to a class in awhile now. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a commitment this weekend either.

Per DuckTerritory, in the past week there’s been three solid recruits name Oregon as their leader- RB Dontae Williams, LB Isaac Dixon, and DB Greg Watson. Add to that Robert Bolden listing Oregon in his top 4, Joshua Harper listing Oregon in his top 4, Anthony Gonzales listing Oregon among his favorites, and other quality recruiting updates and that was only within the last week.

by sgtd26 on Jun 10, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Look on the bright side

Steele ranked Oregon low in experience. That means we have a cushion. And if you’re really concerned, then I guess I’ll re-enroll. I’ve still got 4 years of eligiblity left, but somebody has to help me move.

by grimc on Jun 10, 2009 12:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If we can get a little RB depth for 2010, that team could be very, very good.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Jun 10, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve got friends in the South. The Ducks going down there and punching Tennessee in the nose would be like Xmas times 50.

by grimc on Jun 10, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give us a break

Asking Fetters about anything other than donut shops is a waste of time/energy.

Oregon will be just fine in recruiting…. BTW, good to see UW land NIck Montana….. Good for them to be competitive in something, even if it is only with WSU.

by CRH on Jun 10, 2009 1:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's my take on Oregon recruiting

When you go after the big recruits and battle with the big boys, you’re going to lose every now and again. What truly matters is what happens on signing day. But we’ve all heard stories about kids committing to Oklahoma then switching to Texas. Or Florida and then Georgia. It happens. Yes, you’ve had some struggles recruiting recently. But the last 5, 6, 7 years have been solid. You’ve got 4-star guys like Dennis Dixon, LGB, etc. And even a couple 5-star guys like Jaison Williams. Hell, wasn’t Jonathan Stewart ranked as the #1 player in the country by most services? All I’m saying is when you go up against the USCs, Oklahomas, and Floridas of the country, you’re not going to get every single person. And to be quite honest, Oregon offers a TON of scholarships to players all over the country. So you hear “yeah I’m interested in Oregon” on Rivals and blah blah blah but it doesn’t pan out. That’s not saying anything against Oregon, the kid was just looking for something else.

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by The VD Special on Jun 10, 2009 2:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the thing is….people see us missing on Bryce Brown and Terelle Pryor and they think we’re “struggling.” Overall, the last few years, Oregon has had very solid years, averaging just worse than 3rd in the Pac-10, which, for Oregon, is a very very good place to be.

While I’m not as worried as Conant, this recruiting year for Oregon is going to be very important. With a “new” coach and other ammunition that coaches will bring, it will be interesting to see how recruits respond. I’m fairly confident everything will end up going well in recruiting. But if that doesn’t happen, the next couple years could be a tough, uphill battle.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Jun 10, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To add, and this is obvious, but also needs to be restated, when a potential recruit is interested they are generally interested in 4 or 5 schools, not 2. Therefore, when they say they are interested there is only 20-25% chance of actually landing them, not a 50/50 shot.

Furthermore, coaching changes always mess with recruiting the first year. Kelly will be fine, but replacing some coaches means everyone else gets a head start with regards to building relationships with recruits. One of the rumors I heard about Clay committing to Oklahoma is that he has family out there, I don’t know what constitutes family (cousins/father/mother/grandparents/3rd half-sisters), but its a legit reason, and nothing to worry about if you are Oregon.

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by chowder on Jun 11, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A crisis???

We might be in a stall or a lull but crisis is too much for me. We still were a top 30 class last year and we have 3 studs on the book this year…in June! Grant has opened things up but is still on our committ list. Until we lose, I am calling us the clear-cut leader. We’re all expecting to jump to the next level but results alway are delayed from greater expectation.

by BisonDucks on Jun 10, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I tentatively agree on Grant. It’s not like he’s Bryce Brown where he’s said other teams are in the lead. If he gets that far, I’ll go write him off as seventh floor did Brown. But I get the feeling from what he’s said that he wants to stick it to those teams that didn’t believe in him, and that he wants to earn other offers, and then stick it to those schools in college while attending Oregon. I’ll also say, I think there’s still a great chance that he comes to Oregon, but I WANT him to visit other schools. If/When he comes to Oregon, I want him to know it’s the best place for him.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Jun 10, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We've seen that a lot...

The banter about wanting to scream Oregon when other camps see Ethan Grant’s skills, but I’m not sure how legit or genuine it is.

It’s not like somebody gets engaged then says to their wife “So yeah, we’re like gonna get married and stuff, but for a little while I’m going to go on dates with my old flings just to show them how engaged I am.” I like to be optimistic and think this is just his way of showing off and telling everyone “”http://kempton.files.wordpress.com/2006/11/borat_happy_time.jpg" target="new">you will never get thees", I just think it can’t be that simple. Anytime a recruit visits somewhere else, I think we have reason to break sweat.

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by qrsouther on Jun 10, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn.

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by qrsouther on Jun 10, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait until you start going to bachelor parties.

by grimc on Jun 10, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, first, I think that getting engaged to someone, and picking what school you go to are two incredibly different things…..

but…I think that with kids that are 17-18, it’s not over until LOI day. While it’s great to be like, “don’t go anywhere!” as I just said in another comment, I want kids to go wherever they want to. If they take more visits before coming to Oregon, that just means they’ll be that much more committed to Oregon.

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by jtlight on Jun 10, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what I meant.

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by qrsouther on Jun 10, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blah blah blah blah?

"It’s spelled S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-E-U-P"

by JShufelt on Jun 10, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s spelled S-H-U-F-L-A-H-F-L-A-H-F-L-A-H-F-L-A-H

It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."

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by Takimoto on Jun 10, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fact or Fiction?

This article should have been the Fact or Fiction question of the week…

May we hand you your taints on a silver platter...

by 071903 on Jun 10, 2009 9:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

no worries

Just a few points to the author.
1. Oregon usually does their best recruiting in the final months (6 months away).
2. Look at the bulk of UO heroes over recent years and where they were in the recruiting mix: Masoli (1*), Byrd (2*), Thurmond (2*), Chung (2*), Ward (WO), Reed (3*), Rosario (2*), Johnson (3*), Unger (2*)… Long list.
3. Look at the 4* and 5* flops (or academically ineligible): Klovas, Fili, Wade, Thompson.

I realize that Oregon has had numerous 4* and 5* studs as well. But, little faith should be put into recruiting right now.

And, if Oregon thinks that they are alone in the bad press during the recuiting process, then we aren’t being realistic. Every team blasts every other team to get ahead. There is no ‘clean’ recruiting. New coaches, bad facilities, losing records, bad weather, poor national exposure, ugly co-eds…the list is long for most programs.

by DrakeandMallard on Jun 11, 2009 8:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s a very bad idea to discount the star system. While no recruit is a guarantee, the more stars you have in your program, the better your program will be. While it’s great to get production from 2 star recruits, that is typically the exception rather than the rule.

Recruiting is a probability and numbers game. Highly rated recruits are on guarantee, but they have a much better shot of becoming productive players than 2* players.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Jun 11, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

The Star System has its value. Just as you say that it is a ‘very bad idea’ to discount the system, I would also argue that it is a very bad idea to put all of your faith in it – which I feel many people do. I completely agree that the star system demonstrates the probability of an athlete becoming productive.

My point, which was lost in translation, is that too much emphasis, too soon, is being put on who is going where.

I think the biggest concern most Duck fans have right now is around running back – we lose Blount after this year and don’t have any proven back to fill the void. QB is solid for the next 3 years, possibly 4 with Masoli then Thomas. DL and OL should be good with the recruits we picked up last year. DBs look good and so do recievers. But, the RB concern seems to drive a lot of fans to focus intently on where players are going right now in June, when these kids won’t be signing until Feb.

by DrakeandMallard on Jun 11, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reasonable points.

I do think some people are missing the “sort of” qualifier part of my opinion.

On paper, I’m simply saying we appear to be behind some schools that we recently have done much better than in recruiting. I acknowledge that Mike Bellotti’s program typically started slow and finished strong. I credit player visits to game day at Autzen as one of many reasons for that. What is not yet proven is whether first-time-ever head coach Chip Kelly – with three new assistant coaches on the staff and challenged, arguably, by some opportunistic piling by other programs – can do the same.

You believe he will. I believe he will.

Only time will tell, and, of course, there’s a lot of time left to put a great class together for 2010.

Oregon fans thinking the Ducks are alone in these kinds of circumstantial challenges would be unrealistic. I agree. I don’t think I implied that was the case, but you may have inferred that since I didn’t address how all other schools with unique issues were performing early in the recruiting season. Later, as recruiting progresses, it might be interesting to see how D-1 programs with new coaching staffs are stacking up. Right now Washington has the very early lead.

I'm really tired of it not being football season.

by JConant on Jun 11, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Masoli was a 3*

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by qrsouther on Jun 11, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Recruiting crisis? What we've got here is a failure to realize!

You reading this, you love Oregon football, right? You love ‘em cuz they’re tuff, cuz they perform at a superior level and they got a history under Coach MB of scoring lots of points and playing a game of football that almost everybody likes and those that say they don’t are usually in awe and somewhat jealous, doncha think? So, now you think that MB turned our program over to a ditzell? Come on, Men. Do you really think that the Chipster is gonna get in line and do stuff like the Big Uglies do? This is Oregon football! We got that BLACK AND GREEN Sledge (I wonder if they named it Percy?) This is the real hammer! We’re going to Boise and the BLACk is gonna meet the blue and don’t cry when the bronkies got to call some of those guys back that they let leave early. The young men of character and talent WANT to play for CK cuz he isn’t doing things that don’t work. He’s doing new stuff that does work. He talks straight, develops trust and these young men enjoy playing the exciting winning Duck football.
Kelly will get the guys he wants and needs to drive the Ducks and stop the decoys. Mark it down!

by DONALDUCK on Jun 11, 2009 6:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue

It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."

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by Takimoto on Jun 11, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I always loved that line!

May we hand you your taints on a silver platter...

by 071903 on Jun 11, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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