Seattle Times reports Pac-10 in talks for better bowl game

Seattle Times is reporting that the Pac-10 is talking with the Alamo Bowl about becoming the number 2/3 bowl for the Pac-10, alternating every year with the Holiday Bowl. This would mean extra money, and push the Sun Bowl to #4, which would be a welcome move.

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That would be great.

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by JShufelt on Jun 12, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions

Another match-up with the Big XII. This sounds like a pretty good arrangement. I’d like to see the Pac-10 get locked in a non-BCS bowl with the SEC, but recognize the geographic challenge. God how I’d like to see another west coast team – ANY west coast team – kick Alabama’s sorry asses again.

For now we’ll have to be satisfied with teams like Oregon and Cal getting some solid SEC road wins to make our point.

I'm really tired of it not being football season.

by JConant on Jun 12, 2009 3:29 PM PDT reply actions

We can do better.

There are seven other bowls that paid out more money than the Alamo Bowl last year. The Alamo Bowl is really pretty much the same bowl as the Holiday Bowl, just a different location.

I’d like to see the Pac-10 get in on one of the Big Ten/SEC bowls (Capitol One and Outback). OR even the Chick-fil-A Bowl. I think the Pac-10 needs a bit of exposure in the South, and one of these three would give them that.

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by PaulSF on Jun 12, 2009 4:26 PM PDT reply actions

Word.

If we could, I’d leave to be a part of, say, the Outback Bowl. The Alamo Bowl would be interesting, but it’s also a mehhh location.

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by qrsouther on Jun 12, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions

Unfortunately, the Pac-10 is not gonna get in a Bowl in Florida. It’s just that simple.

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by jtlight on Jun 12, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions

The alamo might be the same pay out of the holiday bowl, but it is better than the sun bowl. Regardless if Oregon gets there or not, it’s a good bowl to have as some of the lower tier bowls are looking to not have the pac-10 because they don’t qualify./

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by JShufelt on Jun 13, 2009 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions

We need another new years day bowl

Anything less should be unacceptable for a major conference, especially once as good as ours…

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by skywaker9 on Jun 12, 2009 10:09 PM PDT reply actions

This is a pipe dream.

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by qrsouther on Jun 13, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions

We just need to freakin win

so that we can play on new years day.
…also probably a pipe dream right?

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by echris on Jun 13, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions

Not at all a pipe dream.

Winning is the only answer. Continue to schedule BCS non-conference opponents. Stop taking losses to the MWC. Teams like Washington and Washington State need to stop sucking so bad that the rest of the conference is dragged down with them (had the BCS been around in the 70s and 80s, the same could’ve been said about Oregon and Oregon State, and probably WSU back then too).

I don’t think the Pac-10 should ever expect another at-large invite to the Orange or Sugar bowls.

I'm really tired of it not being football season.

by JConant on Jun 13, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions

Winning? No.

But there’s a reason the phrase “new years bowl” is prestigious.

If the Pac-10 as a whole lifts its caliber a little (I’m looking at you, Washington schools), I could see adding another new years eve bowl. That is entirely possible and I’d be satisfied with that.

But playing in the next calendar year, in my opinion and maybe mine only, is an entirely higher tier that the Pac-10 I do not think should, nor will be granted.

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by qrsouther on Jun 13, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions

The only way it will

Is if say the Holiday Bowl moves to New Year’s day…

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by skywaker9 on Jun 13, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions

I agree, that would be pretty much the only way.

But I don’t think it happens. It’d be pretty sweet though.

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by qrsouther on Jun 13, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions

Its not all about what happens on the field

You need a lot of fans to go to the major New Years Bowls, or your invite just isn’t worth it. And I’m not saying that Oregon, or the other Pac 10 schools, doesn’t have a good fan base, but I feel like it is mostly local. You have to bring fans with you to major bowls and there is just not the tradition or exposure for west coast teams to have a nation fan base willing to travel. Unfortunately, its all about money and you have to be able to put people in the seats to get into the game.

UofO, Cal and OS have all fielded teams over the past decade worthy of playing in big time bowls but it just doesn’t happen. Blame the bottom third of the league, the fan bases, or the exposure but these teams are just not big bowl material. As JConant said the Oregon schools use to be the teams dragging down the Pac 10. Any team with that history is just not a major bowl team unless they really, really earn it. Its shitty and unfair, but its the truth right now.
I think all Pac 10 teams should just focus on playing the best ball they can and live with the results. If Oregon wins the Holiday Bowl five years in a row (yes, impossible) eventually they will get their due. We just have to earn it the hard way. So lets go earn it.

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by trumpetduck on Jun 14, 2009 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions

Bowls aren’t about who deserves what. It’s about who can make the most money for the bowl. The Pac-10 doesn’t travel as well as other leagues, or bring as high of TV ratings, so they get shut out of bowls. Which is why the bowls are a joke, and why we won’t play in any New Years Day bowls for a while (note, new years bowls are greatly overrated as the day has been completely watered down).

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by jtlight on Jun 14, 2009 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Pac-10 fans as a whole, maybe.

I know that both Oregon schools’ fans are evidently travel-willing, for what it’s worth.

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by qrsouther on Jun 14, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions

Not near to the level SEC, Big 12, etc. teams are. I mean, Alabama had 92,000 people show up for a spring game. Ohio State had 95,000. A SPRING GAME! Here’s a list of attendance for 2009 spring games. The Pac-10 fans as a whole do not bring those numbers, in attendance or TV numbers, and that’s just the way it goes.

For reference, here are the Jan 1st Bowl locations:
Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville, Pasadena, Miami, Dallas.

The Pac-10 will simply never be able to get in those Florida bowls, and it has absolutely nothing to do with skill on the field. Texas is about as far East as the Pac-10 can expect to have a bowl game. The best that they could do is push for the Cotton bowl again in a few years. But that will be quite difficult.

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by jtlight on Jun 14, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions

yeah I have been told we travel well for a long time

I dont believe it. Of all the Bowl trips and basketball tournys and away games I went to for band I was always unimpressed. Vegas Bowl was a home game for BYU. UNLV outnumbered Oregon fans at the Sweet Sixteen in the STL, and not even to mention Florida fans. Games within the Pac 10 landscape the numbers are higher. But I dont think we travel all that well.

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by trumpetduck on Jun 14, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions

I only meant in football.

I don’t know what’s said about Oregon fan traveling in basketball.

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by qrsouther on Jun 14, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions

I was impressed with the numbers @ Purdue.

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by JShufelt on Jun 15, 2009 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions

B-I-N-G-O!

That, folks, is the naked truth.

I'm really tired of it not being football season.

by JConant on Jun 14, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions

Yep.

I was livid back in ’05 when 2-loss Notre Dame got into the Fiesta Bowl over us, for this exact reason.

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by qrsouther on Jun 14, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions

They got into the Fiesta Bowl over us because of BCS rules, it had nothing to do with the bowl choosing. Though they still would have chosen ND 1,000,000 times over Oregon.

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by jtlight on Jun 14, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions

I forgot about that whole D-1 Independent loophole bullshit.

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by qrsouther on Jun 14, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions

And I sooooooo despise Notre Dame for having rules written just for them.

I'm really tired of it not being football season.

by JConant on Jun 15, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions

I think I speak for all Beaver fans when I say that the Sun Bowl is not cool for 2nd or 3rd place.

4th place? Yes. Fitting. Kind’ve a conditional reward of sorts. I mean, sure, 4th place is top half of the conference and hey, looks like you’ve posted a winning record but you’re still not 1st, 2nd or 3rd and should be sent somewhere that smacks of “not quite good enough”…

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by ArbyOSU on Jun 15, 2009 11:52 AM PDT reply actions