How about some BBall? Pac 10 rundown
With the recent departures of Tim Floyd and a lot of his players, along with Jrue Holiday making it official the landscape of Pac 10 ball has seen a lot of changes. Especially at the top, with power UCLA and defending champs USC and UW preparing to start the summer with much different rosters. Coaching changes, recruiting and draft departures are all but set for the next season so I thought I would break down the rosters of the Pac 10 and see where everybody stands. The conference race looks to be a bit up in the air with a handful of teams with big question marks. So with out further ado, here is my rundown, ordered based on last years final standings, top to bottom.
Washington (Defending Regular Season Champs)
Top Returners: isaiah Thomas, Quincy Pondexter
Key Loesses: Jon Brockman (Finally), Justin Dentmon
New Faces: Abdul Gaddy PG 5*, Three 3*
The Dawgs are loosing a big contributor and a small one in Brockman and Dentmon and both should be missed. But they are bringing their top player back, Thomas, and have some young bigs waiting in the wings. With the addition of Gaddy I would expect them to play small and fast with a pesky defense sparking the transition game. It kills me to write all of this, but they look good going forward. I would say the team to beat in the Pac 10.
UCLA
Top Returners: James Keefe and Michael Roll??
Key Losses: Darren Collison, Josh Ship, Alfred Aboya, Jrue Holiday
New Faces: Tyler Honeycutt SF 4*, Brenden Lane PF 4*, Mike Moser SF 4* Reeves Nelson PF 4*
UCLA says good bye to a great Senior class that enjoyed so much tournament and Final Four success. The three graduates have been major contributors for years and will surely be missed, underlined by Holiday's recent commitment to the draft. But it is UCLA, so does anybody doubt their young players will step in and play at a high level. Ben Howland is still there to bring defense and hard work to his stockpile of talent. And the size of that recruiting class. They are young and next season might come down to whether they take their lumps at key times or if they can mask their inexperience.
Arizona State
Top Returners: Derek Glasser, Ty Abbott
Key Losses: James Harden, Jeff Pendergraph
New Faces: Trent Lockett SG 4*, Four 3*s
For Arizona St it comes down to how much they were carried last year by Harden and Pendergraph; their two best players that provided much of the production and opened up their offense. To compete in the league next season the roll players from last year need to step up and be main contributors. There are a few young PF that will have their hands full trying to replace to production and heart of Pendergraph. I look for ASU to drop off next year and struggle with out the top end talent it had last year.
Cal
Top Returners: Jerome Randle, Lebron James Patrick Christopher, Theo Robertson
Key Losses: Maybe a manager or some seniors from the student section?
New Faces: Three 3*s
Cal did not have a senior on the roster last year and so one would expect to see the same team next year with improvement across the board. In his first year as coach Mike Montgomery must have put his players through sniper training, because they shot the long ball at an elite level. Going into 09/10 the three ball should be main question for a steady and experience Bears team. If they can convert from behind the arc at a high level again they should be contenders in the Pac 10 and beyond.
USC (Defending Pac 10 Tournament Champs)
Top Returners: Dwight Lewis
Key Losses: DeMar DeRozan, Daniel Hackett, Tah Gibson, HC Tim Floyd, Lamon Jones PG 4*, Derrick Williams PF 3*
New Faces: New Head Coach TBD
There is mass exodus from the Trojan program shadowed by controversy and NCAA infractions. With Tim Floyd's handouts coming into the light, his players are heading to the NBA draft and his recruits are all being released from their LOI. With a coach yet to be hired and a roster with more holes and questions than maybe anyone in the nation USC is a complete unknown. It is hard to make any kind of prediction, but my guess is bad. The situation reminds me of Indiana a few years ago, and that is not good.
Arizona
Top Returners: Nic Wise, Jamelle Horne
Key Losses: Chase Budinger, Jordan Hill
New Faces: HC Sean Miller from Xavier, Solomon Hill SF 4*, Kyryl Natyazhko C 4*
Zona is going to be without two first round talents that also happen to represent most of their size. They will be young and a bit undersized but they are bringing in a top coach to revitalize the historic power house. Miller always got the most our of his Xavier teams, working with A10 talent and smaller rosters. This might be the perfect hire and the perfect timing for the Wildcats. I bet they will take some time to really gel together as a roster and coach, but come Pac 10 play they should be a solid team. Oh, and Kyryl Natyazhko, that is actually his name, yeah.
Washington State
Top Returners: Klay Thompson, Nikola Koprivica, DeAngelo Castro
Key Losses: Taylor Rochestie, Aron Baynes, Daven Harmeling, Caleb Forrest, HC Tony Bennett
New Faces: HC Ken Bone from Portland State, Three 3*s, One no star
Wazzu is in serious danger of slipping back into irrelevance if they struggle this year, and based on everything they lost it is a strong possibility. Ken Bone did a job job at PSU, taking them dancing and winning their conference, but he takes over a roster that was gutted from last year. Bone will have to do a lot with a little and I don't expect much from the Cougars next year.
Oregon State
Top Returners: The Tarvers, Schaftenburger, Calvin Haynes
Key Losses: Rickey Claitt
New Faces: Jared Cunningham PG 4*, Roberto Nelson SG 4*
In his first year Craig Robinson lead the Beavers to a full turn around from their epically bad no win season. His team showed promise and potential and should be able to continue to build on last year. With minimal losses and some nice incoming players, OS will be looking to improve next year and will have another solid season. Boo.
Stanford
Top Returners: Landry Fields
Key Losses: Mitch Johnson, Anthony Goods, Lawrence Hill
New Faces: Andy Brown PF 3*
Coming off a year in which the biggest news was who was leaving from the year before, Stanford enters a year in which the biggest news is who is leaving from last year. Not a good trend to be stuck in. Second year coach Johnny Dawkins is loosing his three best players and bringing in nobody, sorry Andy Brown. The Cardinal have Pac 10 cellar door mat written all over them.
Oregon
Top Returners: Tajuan Porter, Michael Dunigan, blah blah you know
Key Losses: Kamyron Brown, Frantz Dorsainvil, Churchill Odia, a few birds at Alton Baker
New Faces: Jamil Wilson SF 4*, Malcolm Armstead PG JC, Jeremy Jacob SF 3*, EJ Singler SF 3*
For some great analysis about the Ducks see Takimoto's post from about a month ago. My quick thoughts: What can Kent do with his back against the wall? Can Armstead come in and contribute? Will the youth of the Ducks make a leap forward and play Pac 10 ball? These are the questions that define the upcoming season and their answers will say a lot about next year and the future. It will also be interesting to see if this being the last year in Mac Court has any effect, positive or negative, on the team.
So there you have it. You have to like how Washington, Cal and UCLA are set up, with Stanford, USC WSU and Oregon being the major question marks.
My super early prediction
- Washington
- California
- UCLA
- Arizona
- Oregon State
- Oregon
- Arizona State
- Washington State
- USC
- Stanford
Hard conference to call, especially the bottom half. Comment away because it might be nice to talk about something other than the same football news. P.S. Auto Link doesn't work for basketball and I'm to lazy to go back and add stats, sorry.
Roster information via espn.com
Recruiting information via rivals
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Our key losses are actually something to take solace in, it seems.
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Especially considering what a big basketball state it is
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by The VD Special on Jun 14, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Couple of thoughts:
UCLA will still be good, Mike Moser’s a beast and Ben Howland gets the most out of what he has. It sucks.
USC’s fucked.
This could be a down year for the Arizona schools. I think we’ll really see the fruits of the coaching change in 2010-11, but unless Nic Wise makes the leap Arizona’s a beatable team.
Here’s what I’m thinking (with my 1-2 place Oregon bias built in):
1. Cal
2. Washington
3. UCLA
4. Oregon State
5. Oregon
6. Arizona
7. Washington State
8. Arizona State
9. Stanfurd
10. USC
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I thought about Cal long and hard
and not just cause I hate UW. They dont loose anybody, thats so nice. And they have a very good coach. But they are still a bit weak inside and rely on the 3. But it never let them down last year. They should be very good.
Sleeping under an avalanche with Cartman, wake me Sept 3.
Rec'd. Nice article
I think Cal and Washington are going to battle it out for the top. If UCLA can get some quality production out of their big men, then look for them to challenge as well. Ben Howland’s teams are at their best when they have a big man that can play. It’s why they struggled last year.
I agree with your assessment on Oregon and Oregon State, both are going to be improved and I really have a hard time seeing Oregon struggle as much as they did this past year with as much talent as they have. Ernie Kent’s teams thrive off solid, experienced back court play (Elite 8 teams had Luke Ridnour, Fred Jones, Aaron Brooks) and having a Senior Tajuan Porter could be huge. Oregon State only loses Rickey Claitt and brings in a solid recruiting class that improves both our back court (Cunningham and Nelson) and our front court (6’7", 270 lb 3* forward Joe Burton). Rebounding was a huge issue for us last year, and Burton average something like 15-20 rebounds/game. I think Arizona is right in this group too.
At the bottom, I think it’s going to be a 3 way struggle between WSU, Stanford, and USC. Washington State brings in a good head coach in Ken Bone, but they don’t have a whole lot of talent. On another note, I think Tony Bennett is a tad overrated as a head coach. After they lost the core of Weaver, Lowry, and Low, this team didn’t do anything. Stanford is going to struggle again without much potential. And USC is going to struggle after the “mass exodus” that you mention. With NCAA sanctions looming over this programs head, they aren’t going to be able to recruit as well as they need to in order to compete with the top of the Pac10. A shame for a program that appeared to be on the up.
I don’t want to give a 1-10 standings prediction, but I think that Pac10 is split into tiers that could go either way in those tiers.
Tier 1. Washington, Cal
Tier 1A. UCLA
Tier 2. Oregon, Arizona, Oregon State
Tier 3. Arizona State
Tier 4. Washington State, Stanford, USC
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haha english was never my strength
couldn’t agree with your tiers more.
Sleeping under an avalanche with Cartman, wake me Sept 3.
by trumpetduck on Jun 14, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
A Burton-Schaftenaar front court looks good to me. And I think our starters in the back court includes two frosh by the end of the year (Cunningham/Nelson) with Haynes acting as a sixth at either guard spot to help mix it up and get things going if they’re stale.
All that said, watching Nelson’s highlights remind me of Brandon Roy. And that makes me really happy.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
My Picks
1. UCLA
2. California
3. Washington
4. Oregon State
5. Arizona State
6. Washington State
7. Oregon
8. Arizona
9. USC
10. Stanford
If I were to do them in tiers I’d go:
1st Tier, Teams 1-3
2nd Tier, Teams 4-7
3rd Tier, Teams 8-10
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I like it... mostly...
I think it’ll go a little something like this (kick it):
1. UW
2. UCLA
3. Cal
4. OSU
5. UA
6. ASU
7. WSU
8. UO
9. USC
10. Stanford
And the tier thing makes sense, however in this conference it seems like Tiers 1 and 2—as outlined in most posts here—are fairly interchangeable except the top two teams. The bottom tier has some serious problems and a lot to prove before they can be expected to do much next year.
My assessment of my bottom three is that the ducks will rebound but will still struggle a bit trying to integrate the new JC dudes with the young kids from last year. Despite the strong finish, last year was a rough way to start the ol’ college career and might take a while to work its way out of the team’s system. SC will be mired in an absolute cluster f*ck and I will have fun watching them suck in their new arena with some random cluck for a coach. Stanford, well, Stanford just got worse I believe. I mean, did ALL their scoring just leave or what? Yikes.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09
I threw some darts...
It kills me to admit I picked UW. Though it is conceivable they may find life after Brockman more difficult than expected despite having lots of new, talented faces. That dude was a beast.
I like Cal a lot, but they are tree huggers like us, and therefore a little on the soft side. Washington and UCLA may out-muscle them. But Cal is top tier. They’ll humiliate Ferd and The Drunken Tree, go deep in the Pac-10 tourney and get to the Sweet 16.
Way-too-early-to-be-sane predictions: Pac-10 only gets five teams into the tournament in 2010. OSU will be one of them. Only three teams are actually good. OSU is not one of them – goes to the dance as a double-digit seed and drops a heart breaker in round 1. The middle of the conference will beat up on each other, making for a lot of unattractive bubble teams. Oregon won’t get to post season of any kind. Ernie is looking into a TV position at this time next year (not saying I advocate that, just a prediction).
Nice post Trumpet.
I'm really tired of it not being football season.
Brockman's rebounding will be missed by UW
But having an experienced PG is so important in this league, I think that Isaiah Thomas makes up the difference
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