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Fact or Fiction: Football has more value to the University of Oregon than Track and Field

In the words of Bobby Flay, are you ready for a throwdown? I have to admit, I had the idea for this particular question while listening to Jay Jones on The Writer's Block, a sports talk radio show weekdays in Eugene from 8-10am. Make sure you check it out if you're in the area.

The popularity of College Football has been growing by leaps in bounds over the last 2 decades, developing athletic departments into financial juggernauts. At the UO, football makes up 70% of the budget for the athetlic department. Even though football is enjoying a surge in popularity, it wasn't always that way. 20 years ago, Oregon Football had endured losing season after losing season. By contrast, Oregon Track has been there for decades, giving rise to Olympic athletes and developing Eugene into a national and international player. That brings us to today's Fact or Fiction question.

Fact or Fiction: Football has more value to the University of Oregon than Track and Field.

The knee jerk reaction most fans might have would be "Yes! Football is much better than silly old Track!". What did the ATQ editors have to say about it? Click the jump to find out

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JConant > FACT

Football is more valuable. It's pretty much a slam dunk, assuming you measure "value" in financial terms. Beyond the money, however, track & field at Oregon carries significant weight.

Football is the ultimate high profile college sport. It entails great expense but also generates great revenue. Beyond booster and fan contributions, ticket sales, conference bowl money, food and beverage contracts and television agreements, the university picks up substantial money from advertising to 70,000 people six or seven times each season via programs, stadium signage, apparel and gift items. Track has fewer events, smaller audiences and less general interest, which together equal a substantially lesser marketing opportunity.

All that said, track & field is a major ingredient in the brand identity recipe at Oregon. It has been for decades. Need proof? Consider that the university for more than a year has been working to secure a federal trademark on the phrases "Track Town" and "Track Town U.S.A". When Oregon track (indoor, outdoor, cross country) is at the top of its game, as it was this season, it is embraced as a major sport by the Oregon community and local fan base. Oregon probably is one of only a handful of schools where that happens. Without question, track & field is more uniquely U-of-O than football, which is popular to the point of near-religious status in many parts of the country. That uniqueness alone makes the track program highly valuable.

If faced with a hypothetical scenario where you had to cut one program or the other, either decision would be a disaster. But when you talk about value to the University of Oregon, the discussion starts and ends with a couple facts that I pulled from Ben Schorzman's May 27 article in the Daily Emerald. In 2007-08 the school made $24.5 million on football (also $5.6 million on men's basketball). After covering $56.3 million in expenses the athletic department netted only $300,000, and only then after $1.2 million was received from the Oregon Lottery. Track & field has enormous value at Oregon beyond the simple dollars and cents.Take football away from the UO athletic budget, however, and you'd be left with nothing but an intramural program and club sports.

jtlight > FACT

While I think that track is very important to the University and the city of Eugene, the football program adds more value to the school. Financially, there is simply no comparison. It is on the back of the football team that the athletic department is able to break even.

While the track program at Oregon will always have an elevated place at Oregon and in the community, it simply cannot compete with the popularity of football, in Oregon or throughout the country. When the football team does well, many people throughout the country know about it. When the track team does well, only a small amount of people know about it.

Track and Field is great for the school, and I'm glad it's coming back into focus, but it just can't compete with football.

dvieira > FICTION

Football is the more popular sport... check. Football brings in more revenue.. check. Football has a greater following.. check. Football represents tradition at Oregon....nope. There is no debate on how much more popular college football is in the United States. Fall Saturdays bring out the tailgates, the parties, and crazy television coverage from morning to night. Even with all of that going against it, Track at Oregon has one thing that football just can't compete with. Tradition. In football, what do you think of when you think of tradition? You think of schools like USC, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas and Notre Dame. We Oregon fans can claim to be among those but we always circle back to the excuse of "Our tradition is one of reinventing ourselves". Track and Field is the one sport that puts Oregon above all other schools in the country, where we can claim to have tradition on our side and a long history of winning. Oregon has won 16 total National Championships in the history of the school. 15 of those National Championships are either in Track and Field or Cross Country. The top traditional powers in college football? Notre Dame leads the way with 12, followed by Alabama at 11 and USC with 10. When people think of Track, they think of Eugene and the University of Oregon.

The facilities also support the history and traditional value that Track represents to Oregon. Hayward Field has played host to huge events with national and international renown. The US Track and Field Olympic Trials have been held there 1972, 1976, 1980 and again in 2008, making it the only site to host three consecutive trials. For the 2012 Olympics in London, look for Hayward to get some pub for that year's trials. Autzen Stadium can cite hosting a U2 concert and several Grateful Dead events, nowhere near what Hayward as done. Without the reputation and tradition of Track at Oregon, none of events of international interest wouldn't be in Eugene.

Don't get me wrong, football has a unique place in Oregon history but it has no where close to the tradition of excellence that Track has. Eugene isn't called "Football USA" and there is a big reason for that. Football can't compete with what Track has done for the community of Eugene and the University of Oregon. The success of the last 20 years in football makes it easy for us as fans to latch on to the glory and marketing of the pigskin, but Track is the foundation on which all of Oregon tradition is built. Financially, football may be bringing in the bacon but college athletics is supposed to be more than just giant sacks with dollar signs on them and that's where Track delivers, not just in tradition, but in international acclaim and the funding that it brings into the community.

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Football has more value to the University of Oregon than Track and Field.
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HAH!

Now how did I know Dom was leaning “Fiction”?

Dom, you take the tradition, the memory of Pre and the legend of Galen Rupp. I’ll take the money, and the ability to support the existence of 14 other athletic programs.

I'm really tired of it not being football season.

by JConant on Jun 15, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

he just likes to be contrary.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Jun 15, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quit picking on Dom. He’s right.

by grimc on Jun 15, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It all depends on how you define value. I happen to think that tradition (in most forms) it vastly overrated.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Jun 15, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True. It’s hard to have a disagreement without an agreement on what “value” is. I guess you could pick on Dom for that.

But defining it basically ends the debate. If it’s about money, football wins. If it’s about prestige, track wins.

by grimc on Jun 15, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even on prestige…that’s debatable. Because I would say that having good prestige with 1/2 the country is better than great prestige with 1/20th of the country.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Jun 15, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And more people around the world know about Oregon because of Track and Field than know about the Ducks because of football.

by grimc on Jun 15, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the sake of argument, I’ll buy that statement. My question is, how does that translate to being more valuable to the university?

I'm really tired of it not being football season.

by JConant on Jun 15, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is value defined?

What is art?

by grimc on Jun 15, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Touche...sort of.

I tend to see value as being a tad more quantifiable than a subjective definition of art.

I'm really tired of it not being football season.

by JConant on Jun 15, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that’s the thing. While value may be more easily quantifiable, without an agreement on what it is any debate about the value of something is as subjective as an argument about what constitutes art.

by grimc on Jun 15, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Money? Visibility? Substance?

I’ve had many duck friends tell me how much they care for their track team and I always argued that because they’d never even been to a meet in Eugene they should just come clean and admit that football was a bigger deal at UO. Sure, track has had a lot of success, but track is track. As a spectator sport, it’s very, very fringe. Not quite curling or Slamball but outside of dedicated track nuts (no, TRACK nuts, not truck nuts) there really isn’t a huuuge following, know what I mean?

Your poll tells the story. Football trumps track at UO. If this surprises you, I regret to inform you that Santa Claus is a fraud, your parents DIDN’T actually send your childhood dog off to live on a farm and the Nigerian prince who emailed you about cashing some checks for him is actually trying to steal money from you.

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09

by ArbyOSU on Jun 15, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Without a definition of value, the poll is nothing more than a popularity contest.

Cripes, Dom should be arguing this. Grumble grumble hit and run poster grumble.

by grimc on Jun 15, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree with Dom

Eugene is Track Town USA, not Football USA.

I miss CV3000

by ConnorOSU on Jun 15, 2009 12:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Without Oregon Track and Field...

… there would be no Nike. Without Nike there would be no Phil Knight, well yes, but not as rich. Without Phil Knight Oregon football as we know it today would have no chance of existing. So without Oregon track there is no football program of note. Even though the student has over taken the teacher (if you will) you still need the teacher to begin with. So fiction.

I feel like I violated the space time continuum with my answer. And I think I cheated a bit, but thought I would throw it out there.

Sleeping under an avalanche with Cartman, wake me Sept 3.

by trumpetduck on Jun 15, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

oh and dom way to set yourself up as the under dog

Sleeping under an avalanche with Cartman, wake me Sept 3.

by trumpetduck on Jun 15, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

most likely this is an unfair comparison...

the value of either sport must be measured in dramatically different manners and to even try is to suggest they are equivalent which is ludicrous.

as an alabama fan there is no person i revere more than coach bear bryant. but as an athlete, the coach that i have the greatest amount of respect for is bill bowerman. and the legacy of those two men and the cachet of their name is immensely important to the institutions they represented.

if you look at overall dollars it’s hard to argue against the importance of football and the largesse it brings to any major school. but trumpetduck is right, track and field brought nike into the picture and that significantly offsets the influence of gridiron.

by kleph on Jun 15, 2009 2:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good perspective.

’Bama fan jumping into a discussion about Quack Track.

Welcome!

I'm really tired of it not being football season.

by JConant on Jun 15, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Money Maker

Football makes most money for sure. But doesn’t it also require the most money to operate? Anybody know how the budget would balance out without both the cost and benefits of football?

Sleeping under an avalanche with Cartman, wake me Sept 3.

by trumpetduck on Jun 15, 2009 2:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

football's is a net profit generator

financial breakdown of the only profitable athletic departments in 2005 (best i could find in 2 round search)
http://www.fanblogs.com/ncaa/006237.php

men’s football and men’s basketball are the only “profitable” sports, all others run in the red, and are thus supported by these two. football also outpaces basketball several times over in both total revenue and total profit.

possibly more interesting is this article that describes chuck taylor’s decision to leave the 1911 duck team for dental college, which can also be found via google search for “is oregon football profitable?”

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19110831&id=-1MUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=VPADAAAAIBAJ&pg=6355,1304880

by Bill Musgrave on Jun 15, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel particularly bad for this guy, who was one of three guys (Taylor being one of the other two) not coming back on what looked to be a strong Oregon team

“Homer Jamison, one of the fastest ends Oregon has been proud of, cannot play because of the objections of his parents.”

Talk about a recruiting challenge.

I'm really tired of it not being football season.

by JConant on Jun 15, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ma and pa didn't see the value in oregon football

now, had he been a track star, well, that would’ve changed everything

by Bill Musgrave on Jun 15, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

football's iz a net profit generator should be an lol catz phrase

with blount or masoli throwing cash in the air, in the end zone

sorry for typo

by Bill Musgrave on Jun 15, 2009 5:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

WUZ U LOKN 4 DIS?

I dont know why it wont make it any bigger. weak

Sleeping under an avalanche with Cartman, wake me Sept 3.

by trumpetduck on Jun 15, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I fail. and now im just filling up the thread, but you can read it

Sleeping under an avalanche with Cartman, wake me Sept 3.

by trumpetduck on Jun 15, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Another winner for trumpetduck photoshop!

"It’s spelled S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-E-U-P"

by JShufelt on Jun 15, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Redeemed.

Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Dear Joevan, Develop motor skills. Love, ATQ.

by qrsouther on Jun 16, 2009 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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