RB Transferring-QB Depth Notes
by tmoney80 on Jun 3, 2009 10:40 AM PDT
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PrintAccording to my friend who is good friends with a Register Guard sports writer who covers the Ducks, Costa is definetly second string. Amazingly, the coaches think he might actually be better than Masolli. I know, I know, I couldnt believe it either but that is what they told this guy. The plan is to have the JC QB who is coming in be the third and try and get Thomas a redshirt
There are some pretty credible rumors floatin’ out of Colorado that a couple of their players have requested to transfer to Oregon. He would have 4 years to play 3, and could step in when Blount graduates.
If granted, they’d have to sit out a year, but it sounds like they really liked playing for Helfrich.
http://oregon.scout.com/a.z?s=128&p=8&c=1&nid=2742300
http://www.buffzone.com/news/2009/may/30/smith-buffs-cu-football-colorado-boulder
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I would note....
All of these rumors are totally unsubstantiated. Also, “my friend who is good friends with a Register Guard sports writer” is just utter nonsense. If you have a real source, link to it.
While Costa may in fact be the number 2, that’s not being said publicly.
Furthermore, there are no “credible rumors” regarding transfers to Oregon. This is all entirely unsubstantiated. Scott has not asked for a transfer release and Brown and Smith has asked to be able to transfer to a number of schools, and Oregon might be one of those.
I will also note that I have changed the headline to this article. At this point, no RG sports writer has gone on the record with anything, so imply that he has in the headline will not be allowed.
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Source....
Wow. I am just passing on what I was told. Calm freakin’ down. If you dont care what a reporter who was at every spring game, has access to the coaching staff and happens to be the dad of my god daughter’s best friend then that’s up to you. His name is Chrs Hansen. Anybody else out there have a better source? Like if he told you the same thing you wouldnt post it. If you didnt then you are chicken. Here are the links where the ransfer information was stated. Going forward I will just not pass on news, rumor or not.
thttp://oregon.scout.com/a.z?s=128&p=8&c=1&nid=2742300
http://www.buffzone.com/news/2009/may/30/smith-buffs-cu-football-colorado-boulder/
Um, I don’t think Jt was upset in any way. I think he was pointing out that the above article didn’t mention any sources of information. Saying “I got this from a friend who is friends with a reporter who covers the Ducks” is not a source. It would be the same thing as me coming in and saying, “So I heard from a buddy that is good friends with someone in the athletic department that Chip Kelly is going to resign”. This isn’t news because there is no way to confirm the story.
If Chris Hansen is your source, then that’s great. But honestly, saying that you heard from a buddy that is friends with someone that works at the RG is hearsay when the source can’t be followed up on.
And I’m sorry but neither links say that these guys are transferring to Oregon or have requested to transfer to Oregon. The only mention of Oregon in either of the stories has to do with Mark Helfrich’s hiring at Oregon.
It isn’t being “chicken” in asking that sources be credible and open. It’s called “responsible journalism”
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
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Good grief. No need to play the martyr. No one was upset, I merely pointed out that your sources were not credible or able to be verified.
While Chris may have relayed this information to you personally (or maybe you heard it from your god-daughter?), this information has not been made public by any reporter or any coach. If this was serious, it would be mentioned all over the place. Not merely through one reporter, who doesn’t even bother to post this info on his own. If Hansen does think that, he has a blog, he should post it. Otherwise, it’s hearsay that’s not corroborated by any other source.
As far as the transfers go… as I said above, there are absolutely no “credible rumors” of either of those players coming to Oregon. Smith has not gotten permission to even speak to Oregon, and Scott has made it clear that he’s sticking around Boulder.
Lastly, none of the writers on this blog would post unverifiable rumor. When you post rumors that are not credible, then you yourself are not credible. You gain credibility by being right on these things on a consistent basis, usually through verifying facts and not just passing on information learned from one source.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I’m not playing the martyr. But I am not a rumormonger and my credibility was brought up. I was just sharing some information,. (I didnt hear it from my god daughter, yeah, no sarcasm in your post) .I just didnt realize that this site only wants posted previously published information. Chris Hansen reports for the RG and shared an observation on how Costa is doing and that the coaches are impressed. So if you’re wondering, now you know. The stuff on the Colorado kids I cut and pasted from a different site (including the ‘credible rumors’ sentence). I didnt realize we fell under the basic rules of journalism 101. I thought these were just posts not a part of the media. If someone else has a friend who gets inside information I would want to know as well. I am not into spreading rumors, but I am interested in finding out as much as I can and if my friend hangs out with Chris Hansen, I want to know what he is seeing and hearing. He isnt going to write an article or post a blog on anything that the coaches dont want out that might hurt the team, morale, scouting etc. So, when the season starts with Costa (if not hurt again) at #2 I guess I get my credibility. And as far as the Colorada sutff goes, they were called out as rumors, credible or not, so there you have the buyer beware statement. It doesnt claim that they are absolutely transfering. But If they do transfer, well, then you wont be surprised. And to question my “credibility” is rediculous. Why would I post something that wasn’t true? What,?anyone here going to call Chris and ask him if this is true. Verifiable….give ma break. It was a post, nothing more, on some information that some might want to know. That’s fine. If I hear something again I wont post it so no one feels the need to “verify” anything. What a joke.
Just settle down a bit...
The only thing I see wrong with your post is its sure tone. I really like being provided linkage and speculation and stuff like that on this blog, but it’s pretty befuddling if someone reports that their mailman’s sister’s son-in-law who has a foot in the door in [place] says that there’s word that [such and such] is going to happen, so you were inspi[red] to shout it to the world from a mountaintop.
I don’t doubt that Costa’s the clear 2nd string. I would’ve been 1000 times more surprised if you would’ve said Thomas, but whatever.
And…
There are some pretty credible rumors floatin’ out of Colorado that a couple of their players have requested to transfer to Oregon. He would have 4 years to play 3, and could step in when Blount graduates.
This sentence is just weird. First off, credible rumors? If they were credible we would’ve seen them elsewhere. It’s okay if you’re the first to report a rumor – which it seems you may have – it just can’t hold credence yet. Secondly, who would have 4 to play 3? Said mailman? Heinrich Himmler? JShufelt? Look, we can let it slide because it seems you simply skipped writing a sentence or something, but the attacking and pissy attitude needs to go, if it could.
We’re always glad to have a new member of the community, and I’d love for you to stick around. Just chill out a little bit, or I’ll sic Shufelt on you, and there will be blood.
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I have a number of issues with your post.
But I am not a rumormonger
definition of rumormonger from Websters: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rumormonger
you are doing that very thing in your statement about credible rumors and repeating them without a source
The stuff on the Colorado kids I cut and pasted from a different site (including the ‘credible rumors’ sentence)
If you cut and pasted this from a source, please share it because I think we all want to see it. That’s the whole point. If you are right about what you are saying, we want to read the source.
He isnt going to write an article or post a blog on anything that the coaches dont want out that might hurt the team, morale, scouting etc.
So I’m curious. You claim that Chris Hansen doesn’t want to post this because it might “hurt” the program but yet here you are spreading the “friend of mine that knows an RG sportswriter said…”? Chris, from what you claim, is making that decision but you feel justified in spreading the news be damned of that fact?
And to question my "credibility" is rediculous. Why would I post something that wasn’t true?
Read this from Dwight Jaynes, supposedly a respected journalist who worked at the Oregonian for 35 years, about his Ernie Kent is gone for sure post. This is the Internet my friend. Just because something is posted online somewhere doesn’t make it true.
It was a post, nothing more, on some information that some might want to know. That’s fine. If I hear something again I wont post it so no one feels the need to "verify" anything. What a joke.
Just cite your sources. it isn’t hard. Seriously. Why get bent out of shape over the fact that people are questioning your sources? If anything, that should show you that you had an interesting piece of news and people want to know more. All JT said (and I agree with him) is that citing a conversation with your friend who overhead something from Chris Hansen is hersay. Plus, you didn’t even cite a source containing your supposed “transferring to Oregon” comments. You just threw it out against the wall. Of course people are going to question it. People question stuff like this all the time.
Instead of getting bent out of shape, all you have to say is “here is the link where it talks about transfers to Oregon” and that part of your post is solved. As far as the Chris Hansen stuff, either he will “report it” as a professional or he will decide not to because of some reason. How do you know your friend didn’t overhear Chris giving his “opinion” on the matter? Either way, if he does have that opinion and wants to make it public, he has the perfect forum.
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
Well….first, about the Chris Hansen stuff. I think everyone here wants to see Costa #2, and that’s not a surprise. But when you throw in a comment like…
Amazingly, the coaches think he might actually be better than Masolli.
…and when your source for that is a friend of a friend, you get into the hearsay category. And there are reasons what that’s not a credible source. No one thinks you’re lying about what you heard from your friend, but hearsay is just not very believable to me. Now, I think Costa will be number 2, I’ve speculated around here for a while that the only reason he’s not now is due to injury rehabbing. But at this point, its just speculation.
But, in my mind, the Colorado links pushed it over the edge. This was a very silly rumor from the beginning, with absolutely no basis at all. Neither one of the articles you linked even talked about either player transferring to Oregon. In fact, only one of the two players mentioned is even transferring. So when you post what you did, that makes me seriously question everything else you wrote. If you’re passing on one of the most ridiculous Oregon rumors in a while, in the next paragraph after talking about your friend being a friend with an RG reporter, then I view your Costa statements in the same light as I view the Colorado transferring statements.
Lastly, I would also note that if you’re going to be passing on information like this, it needs to make sense, and you need to have basic facts right. You talked about an incoming JC QB, when there is no JC QB, so that got people going, huh? You also talked about Darrell Scott (the RB) playing for Oregon, when he’s not even transferring, and is publicly confirmed he’s staying at Colorado. So when basic facts like that are incorrect, it doesn’t help us believe the rest of your post.
So, that’s why myself and others questioned this. And don’t play the martyr and be like, “If I hear something again I wont post it so no one feels the need to "verify" anything.” You can post whatever you like, but if someone disagrees or questions what you write, that’s why there are comments.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Sources might be reliable, but we don’t know them. It’s all hearsay/rumors, and unsubstantiated. It’s not good information.
If you can cite a source, like a reporter, or an article, that would be awesome. But a friend, even if it’s Chip Kelly’s nephew, isn’t a source.
"It’s spelled S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-E-U-P"
A Spicy Italian sub from Subway.
"It’s spelled S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-E-U-P"
by JShufelt on Jun 3, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why get the Spicy Italian when you can get the Cold Cut or Meatball. JShufelt, your taste in Subway sandwiches explains your taste in college teams. It all makes sense
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on Jun 3, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I live near all 3
And I have say is that variety is the spice of life – Subway for the bread and produce selection, Potbellies for the best Italian, and Jimmy Johns for the best bread and impressively quick sandwich making time. I rarely get any of them twice in a row.
Also both Italian Deli’s near me are far better – Conte Di Savoia has a better selection of meats and Fontano’s for it’s GREAT jardinero and a good deal on their lunch combo.
Am I out of line to put Big Town Hero in this discussion?
May we hand you your taints on a silver platter...
I live next to a subway and a big town hero. The day I pick subway over big town hero, is the day I bleed black and orange.
"It’s spelled S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-E-U-P"
I’m out of order? You’re out of order! This whole court is out of order!
I'm really tired of it not being football season.
You can't handle the sandwich truth!
To go out and ruin somebody's dreams like that, it feels real good," Oregon receiver Jaison Williams.
According to some old guy on TV, you can trust a McDonald’s Filet-o-Fish sandwich. “Very dependable,” says he.
I'm really tired of it not being football season.
I think that guy who plays “Jack” from the Jack in the box commercials is the same dude that played Roboduck.
Did you see that dudes guns?
"Oregon didn't have 694 yards of total offense, Oregon State had 694 yards of total DEFENSE."
The Tyrant Boy-King of UC-Eugene
Oohhhhh riiiiiight
I never thought of that. Well now I guess I have TWO man crushes!
"Oregon didn't have 694 yards of total offense, Oregon State had 694 yards of total DEFENSE."
The Tyrant Boy-King of UC-Eugene
Ironic?
What is really funny is your comment is 180 degrees from accurate. Chip Kelley’s nephew would be a source (as used by the media). A reporter isn’t a source, he/she is a media outlet – someone who reports what sources tell them.
Actually… you’re right and wrong… Chip Kelley’s nephew wouldn’t be a source (Or it would be a bad one. No difference to me.) unless it was about his interactions with Chip Kelly.
But a reporter also isn’t a source – Unless you’re a blog, expanding on a reporter’s story. If they weren’t a source, then they’d never be cited. Rob Moseley has repeatedly been accurate, he holds and has earned the credentials to be a trustworthy 3rd party source, to the point that what he says isn’t hearsay, but a responsible and an accountable and reliable source, as an expert, about what goes on with the ducks.
If an AtQ author were to have an interview with any coach, and the coach said “We actually think Costa might be better than Masoli.”, I would honestly question the legitimacy of the interview, but at least I’d know where they are getting the information from. So I could theoretically contact the coach and ask the same thing to verify that AtQ’s interview. But I know they wouldn’t do that, because they’ve at least been responsible bloggers with knowing what is within their boundaries.
Though, for the most part, you’re right, reporters aren’t a source.
"It’s spelled S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-E-U-P"
A Source is a Source of Course if you got it straight from the Horse
You are confusing “source” with “credibility”, but knowingly doing so. Chip Kelley’s nephew is a source, but one who’s credibility would not be relied upon by a reporter unless the reporter has a history of getting good information from said source.
To use a reporter as a source is ONLY HEARSAY, regardless of how accurate his reporting has been. He is reporting what someone else has told him (other than when giving op-eds). The fact that a reporter only comes public with information from what he considers healivy reliable sources does not change the fact that he is merely a conduit.
If a reporter makes an observation, they’re a source.
But regardless, this argument is petty and dumb.
"It’s spelled S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-E-U-P"
I wasn't going to say anything
but then you said this argument was petty and dumb, and that’s like, “Hey, fat kid! Lookit all this bacon!” Plus, I’m a J-school grad, so it’s like, “Hey, sexually frustrated fat kid! Lookit all this bacon…wrapped around pornography!”
And then I realize I agree with you, so there’s no point in arguing.
So…yeah.
Does that mean I need ot make some bacon, or do I need to buy a lot of it?
"It’s spelled S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-E-U-P"
The answers you seek can only be found within yourself.
by grimc on Jun 6, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
No Way We Are Getting Scott...
There is no way Oregon will get Scott as a halfback…(although i would like to see this, finally a touted player with no Brian Butler involvement…sigh), he was way too highly touted and has even expressed his devotion to the Colorado program; he will not be leaving…
"Its Peanut Butter Jelly Time" is truly an awful song...The Banana suit guy needs to stop dressing up for football games at Autzen...
Even though his uncle is leaving the program?
I mean, I’m not saying he will leave, but I think it’s definitely a possibility now that Smith is leaving.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
what jc QB????
So how come I have not seen anything anywhere else about some JC QB?? And on the flipside of the coin…I think it is a really good possibility that a couple of the Colorado players follow Helfrich to U of O. Campuses have a similar feel. Oregon is a better football team. Helfrich seems to be viewed as a good coach and we have scholarships. I don’t know but it seems like a no brainer to me.
by NICKPAPAGEORGIOTHEDUCK on Jun 5, 2009 1:29 AM PDT reply actions
I think he means Daryle Hawkins? I’m not sure…
It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Hawkins is a regular high school entry.
But yeah, I combed scout yesterday night and saw nothing of JC QBs that we’re even targeting.
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Yeah, he’s the only incoming QB I was aware of, maybe homeboy is confused as to his status.
It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Well, that and walk-on Dustin Haines.
I only note this because he goes to South.
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Raw talent
is the best description of Hawkins. No way he sees the field unless all three of our guys go down. He may act like stop gap in a pinch if Masoli and Costa are unavailable for a couple series. Imo, we should write off the redshirt year for Thomas. Unless, perhaps, he goes for it next year with Masoli as a senior.
That was the impression I was under as well. But if Costa is healthy enough to serve as a decent back-up, the Ducks coaches might be willing to endure unnatural acts to keep Thomas off the field. It’s rare, though not unheard of, to get down to a 3rd QB.
I keep suggesting that I’ve skeptical about Costa being healthy enough to play at all. A lot of others are saying he’s going to be ready. Like I said last week, I’ll believe Costa is ready to play when I see him in 11-on-11 drills going full speed, running, cutting, throwing on the run, etc. IF he can do that we might see a small miracle and see Thomas get the redshirt.
I'm really tired of it not being football season.
the Ducks coaches might be willing to endure unnatural acts to keep Thomas off the field. It’s rare, though not unheard of, to get down to a 3rd QB.
I’m confused, what do you mean?
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Dear Joevan, Develop motor skills. Love, ATQ.
Fair question. What I meant is that if Costa truly is physically ready to go as a #2, then the coaches might take a gamble on road trips by taking Hawkins as the emergency #3 and try to leave Thomas in redshirt all season. I would consider that an unnatural act simply because Thomas is clearly ahead of Hawkins on the depth chart, even possibly ahead of Costa.
It would be risky, but only minimally so, at least as long as Masoli is available as the starter for every game. The odds of Oregon getting two guys hurt in a road game and being down to just Hawkins is very slim.
This whole notion is predicated on Costa being 100 percent or close to it. I have very serious doubts about that. I think the possibility of Thomas being able to redshirt this season is almost laughable…and yet here I am proposing just that as plausible.
I'm really tired of it not being football season.
I get what you mean now, thank you. I didn't gather "a 3rd QB" = Hawkins at first.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Dear Joevan, Develop motor skills. Love, ATQ.
So wait, are you a Cal or an Oregon fan?
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