Morning Quack Fix: Catching up with some alums, and can you quantify the success of the offensive line?
by jtlight on Jul 29, 2009 7:34 AM PDT
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Man, it's another sparse day, but fall camp starts next week. There is hope.
- George Schroeder has a column on Jordan Kent, who is now fighting for a long term spot with the Seattle Seahawks. Schroeder recounts the story of Kent beginning his football career at Oregon, which is great if you're like me and had never heard it before.
- The Seattle Seahawks blog 12th man rising has a rookie projection on Max Unger. They are very excited about Ungers versatility and athleticism, and see him getting quite a bit of playing time this season, though not earning a starting spot out of training camp, which is really best for him in the long run.
- In recruiting news, George Uko (previous article here) has said he will be making his verbal commitment August. At this point, work around DuckTerritory is that this is down to USC and Oregon.
- Lastly, Bill Connelly (Football Outsiders and RockMNation) has another post on some of the advanced statistics in college football, and this time he tackles a very tough issue--trying to quantify the success of the offensive line vs. the running backs. However, I'm a bit skeptical of the results. For one, Jacquizz Rodgers comes across very poorly in these results, because all the gains within 7 yards of the line of scrimmage are attributed to the line play. However, Quizz turned many losses into gains making the OSU line look better on paper than it actually was. Meanwhile, Blount and Johnson were highly rated with these statistics, because they had many long runs. But many of those were untouched after the line of scrimmage. Is this due to the line play or due to them being great backs? Either way, I find this topic very interesting.
So what are your thoughts on quantifying line play, or how running backs are ranked versus the line? Leave a comment below. GO DUCKS!
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CFN continues it’s absurdity……
By predicting that Oregon will lose to UCLA and Stanford….and win every other game….
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by jtlight on Jul 29, 2009 7:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it’s a typo? Sounds more like Oregon State to me.
"It’s spelled S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-E-U-P"
by JShufelt on Jul 29, 2009 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think we'll only lose to UCLA and Stanford?
It’d suck to lose to those teams but if those are the only two losses I could somehow cope… I like how you think.
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by ArbyOSU on Jul 29, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beating the better Pac-10 programs, and losing to the lower tired ones is like a OSU motif.
"It’s spelled S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-E-U-P"
by JShufelt on Jul 29, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would sting if it weren’t true.
I still can’t watch even a piece of the Stanford game from last season without my gag reflexes going off.
UCLA won’t be total sh*t next year and I think Stanford might be better. I think UCLA has a shot at cracking the top half of the conference with Stanford on the outside looking in from the 7 or 8 spot… Both Oregon schools SHOULD roll.
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by ArbyOSU on Jul 29, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but I just don’t see the Beavs winning at USC
by echo31 on Jul 29, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I accept your apology.
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by ArbyOSU on Jul 29, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think the Beavs will be pretty good this year … especially if the secondary gels quickly
by echo31 on Jul 29, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OSU will be weaker
I think (UCLA fan here) than they were 2008. Go read the www.buildingthedam.com site. They did an upgrade downgrade analysis at a bunch of different positions recently and their own fans are guessing downgrade at almost every position.
by captainqtp on Jul 29, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather not read that blog, I’ll take your word for it.
I guess I am just tired of underestimating the Beavs and them being in the top 3 of the conference. Maybe if I assume they will be good, they won’t be for a change.
by echo31 on Jul 29, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on over, we’re pretty nice.
As for UCLA fan claiming we’ll be weaker than them? Pffft.
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by ArbyOSU on Jul 30, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well now I got to post mine…
"It’s spelled S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-E-U-P"
by JShufelt on Jul 30, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Neuweasel gambling reference: Meh.
Monopoly reference? REC.
by grimc on Jul 30, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just said
you’d be weaker than you were in 2008… Reading FTW.
by captainqtp on Jul 31, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we talked about this a few days ago but here’s an interesting article about Karl Benson, WAC commissioner, talking about the Mountain West and the possibility of Boise State leaving the WAC.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/ncfnation/0-9-345/WAC-commissioner-talks-Boise-State—Mountain-West.html
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Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Jul 29, 2009 8:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it’s a great move for both Boise St. and the MWC if it were to happen. That’s a necessary step in getting the MWC past the ACC or Big East for a BCS conference position.
It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."
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by Takimoto on Jul 29, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In regards to quantifying the success of the O-Line, what he’s done here is a bit better than most stats that are sometimes tracked (Which are pretty much only Pancakes and Sacks Allowed), but they are still pretty fuzzy. Definitely the weaker “Beyond the Boxscore” statistic.
In passing, I think you can create some numerical association, but it simply isn’t tracked. I think the amount of time given until a QB is under pressure, with keeping track the rushers vs. blocker ratio is a start, and they are able to go through some sort of quantification.
However, when it comes to rushing, a successful run isn’t always based on the success of the O-Line. (Ref: Detroit OL vs. Berry Sanders). 90% of big runs are also because of a WR or two blocking downfield.
WIth the way these statistics are setup, Blount is a amazing, and Quizz is a mediocre Div-AA back. But anyone that has watched Quizz knows, it took the majority of the front 7, all piling up in the middle, to bring him down. I don’t think you can contribute Quizz’ success to the OSU line – at all.
To really judge the success of the OLine on rushing plays, each play needs to be given a grade.
"It’s spelled S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-E-U-P"
by JShufelt on Jul 29, 2009 9:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d say that the reason Quizz had a good season last year was because he had an above average O-Line last year. Would he have done well with less? Sure. The line was a rotating cast of characters last year anyway and sometimes did not play well, so I think we saw that first hand. I also agree that Quizz was great at nullifying potential losses, getting back to the line of scrimmage after contact or even breaking off a yard or two.
I can’t put my finger on it but this whole grading system seems flawed. I think it’s a cool idea (love stats) but there’s a missing factor somewhere there. Grading plays could be the fix but how to assign grades becomes an issue.
Sorry, I couldn’t think of a good sandwich-related nickname for Blount or Puff the Magic Dragon reference. Next time, right?
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by ArbyOSU on Jul 29, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I couldn’t think of a good sandwich-related nickname for Blount
I think CV3000 said it best on O-Live a few months ago…LaDonut Blount. I still crack up at the thought of it. Not exactly a sandwich but funny nonetheless
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Jul 29, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. That was a pretty funny comment.
"It’s spelled S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-E-U-P"
by JShufelt on Jul 29, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not half bad.
Did you just admit to some O-Live lurking? Rickert? Is that you?!
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by ArbyOSU on Jul 29, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone linked to it out here on AtQ. I don’t remember if that was Dominic or not.
"It’s spelled S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-E-U-P"
by JShufelt on Jul 29, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Dominic, didn’t mean to throw around such harsh words.
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by ArbyOSU on Jul 29, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, even Roger Ebert had to watch Soul Plane for his job…
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Jul 29, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Line Yards stats is flawed for sure, but everything else he does has been pretty freaking spot on. He’s developed the best metrics for team performance.
"It’s spelled S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-E-U-P"
by JShufelt on Jul 29, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I only know how to work the reply button (sort of)
OSU’s OL and Quiz-nos (It’s Toasted!):
The distinction which I seem to see is that the OSU linemen stay in some sort of contact with "their’ defender for what seems to be an extended period of time. Not really taking anybody anywhere.
Quiz then stays upright (not very far upright, we’ll agree) behind them and if nobody sneaks around to grab him, he just slips thru and POOF the magic dragon has left Honalee!
I don’t know how anyone could give that a letter grade but somebody probably will and I’ll say, “Why didn’t I think of that?”
by DONALDUCK on Jul 29, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Touted 2010 cornerback has Oregon at the top.
Bumped into this encouraging tidbit at ESPN recruiting. Dior Mathis is on the ESPN 150 Watch List, but Oregon will have to pull him out of his home state with heavy competition from Michigan State. Read on…
I'm really tired of it not being football season.
by JConant on Jul 29, 2009 4:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sandwich name...
Not sure what the sandwich reference is, so pardon me while I take a shot at it.
BLT baby!
Besides the similarity to his name, you’ve got:
B – Bacon – What else?
L – Leap – over so many defenders!
T – Touchdown!!!!!!!
So there you have the BLT! Enjoy!
Love me some BLT baby!
by Duckprint on Jul 29, 2009 10:14 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
hey DP! I believe Arby is making reference to Blount’s weight gain during the spring when he was suspended. That being said, rec for you on the awesome BLT analogy
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Jul 29, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite.
I don’t know enough about Blount to be that smart. I mean, I like getting on AtQ and yakking with my misguided neighbors (you’ll see the orange light someday (kidding)) but I follow the ducks as much as I follow the rest of the PAC, and that’s no knock on the ducks.
My sandwich reference was a barb aimed at “DONALDUCK” for his dreadful Quiznos/Jacquizz yuck-yuck.
As far as “BLT” goes, I like bacon enough to overlook the fact that it doesn’t make sense in a football context… I’d go: Break Lots of Tackles or Break Loose—Touchdown! But that’s me.
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by ArbyOSU on Jul 30, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also slid in a Puff The Magic Dragon reference that I resisted making fun of… until now.
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by ArbyOSU on Jul 30, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arby's makes BLT's? YES!!
B = Blount
L = Leaps
T = Tacklers
Mark it down. I saw THOSE games.
And, Barbs rec’vd. aknldgd.
by DONALDUCK on Aug 2, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it's
Blount
Loves
Trucking
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by qrsouther on Jul 30, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big
“L”
Touchdown
Blount
Likes
Tomatos
Blount
Leaves
Tracks
______
Better
Luck in
Two-thousand-Ten
"It’s spelled S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-E-U-P"
by JShufelt on Jul 30, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the third one most.
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by qrsouther on Jul 30, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broken
Legs?
Tough.
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by qrsouther on Jul 30, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sandwichman
Bring
Last
Testament
or more representative of myself:
Bored
Lamenting
Time
to 9.3.9
by Bill Musgrave on Jul 30, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever sandwich LGB in, it’s on the kind of bread Joe Giansante likes.
It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."
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by Takimoto on Jul 30, 2009 6:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Giansante likes bread that’s made from the bones of your ancestors.
by grimc on Jul 30, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Giasante likes the kind of bread that’s stolen from the hands of orphans.
by Bill Musgrave on Jul 31, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He soaks up their tears with it.
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by ArbyOSU on Jul 31, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and laughs hysterically, taunting
“MMMMM, this tastes like your Superbowl”
by Bill Musgrave on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I picture him laughing too hard to get any words out, just tears of his own.
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by ArbyOSU on Jul 31, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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