Previewing the Season: Oregon State Beavers
by jtlight on Sep 1, 2009 10:00 AM PDT
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What a difference a year makes. This time last year was frustrating to be a Duck fan. Despite the soaring heights of 2007, it was surely grating that we had lost to the Beavers, and boy did we hear about it. There was a constant yapping from Beaver fans about how they'd beaten us two years in a row. But then, well, I think you know what happened.
What made last year's victory so special was that it was the first Civil War since 2000 where both teams had something at stake. With both teams looking to continue their momentum from last season, we could very well see a Civil War of similar magnitude in 2009.
Oregon Offense vs. Oregon State Defense:
Oregon State had a stellar defense last season. However, as good as they were through 11 games, they had no answer for an Oregon offense that simply did whatever it wanted. Oregon set the tone early by throwing the ball. OSU was simply not prepared for an offense that could both run and throw, and after Oregon established early that it could move the ball through the air as well as on the ground, OSU was off balance for the rest of the game.
While I think Mike Riley is a very good coach, if Oregon is marginally healthy coming into the game, I don't see how OSU will be able to stop the Ducks. They do not have the quality of safeties, cornerbacks, or defensive ends that they did a year ago. Though they return studs DT Stephen Paea and LB Keaton Kristick, the beauty of a spread offense is that it will isolate the defensive weaknesses. Oregon State has done an exceptional job at team defense, especially against traditional offenses. But they have not fared well against a fast, talented offense that can isolate OSU's weaknesses. As much as OSU fans talk about how great Mike Riley is at recruiting talent, and developing players, there can be no ignoring the fact that for all the very good players they develop, OSU is still made up of 3* players, who can be beaten when isolated. And there are few offenses throughout the country that can exploit those weaknesses as Oregon can.
And while OSU has some very good players on defense, none of their units as a whole will be dominant. As good as Paea is, he is no Haloti Ngata, who can carry an entire defense for stretches at a time. As a whole defense, they will be good, but they will not have one thing that they do extremely well, which will catch up with them when they face very good offenses.
Oregon should be able to move the ball in this game, and though expecting another almost 700 yard onslaught is unrealistic, 500 yards and 40 points is not.
Oregon Defense vs. Oregon State Offense
On the opposite side of the ball, it's all about the Rodgers brothers. They are two of the best players in the league. James Rodgers is one of the fastest players in the conference, while Jacquizz Rodgers just gets his yards. For any defense, stopping these two players will be the key to beating OSU. If you can hinder these two, OSU will have to rely on their QBs and an inexperienced downfield receiving corp.
I have taken from heat from Beaver fans for saying that I think that Jacquizz will regress this season. But this has nothing to do with his skills, but the fact that, unlike last year, the offense will rest entirely on his shoulders. Last year OSU had two great receivers in Sammy Stroughter and Shane Morales. They could stretch a defense and their threat led to not only very good passing stats for the Beavers, but to the running game success.
This year, every defense will be gameplanning for Jacquizz. They will force OSU to beat them through the air. And that means the Beavers must rely on either Lyle Moevao or Sean Canfield. And when the ball has been in Moevao's hands, things have not ended well. Though Canfield did well in last year's Arizona game, he has not looked well in spring practice. On top of this, I seriously doubt that either of these players will make any significant progression this season, considering Mike Riley's record for developing QBs, which has been very poor for one of the best coaches in the conference.
For teams like Oregon, whose strength should be their run defense, this bodes very well. Jacquizz will get his yards, but will have to work very hard to get there, and if the OSU passing game is not as explosive as it was last year, it will be very hard to keep up with an offense like Oregon's.
Conclusion:
All the credit in the world to OSU, who has been one of the most consistent teams in the Pac-10. This year, that should continue, as they are clearly the #4 team in the conference in my mind. However, this year, I feel that the talent gap between OSU and USC, Cal, and Oregon is quite large. I see them having a lot of problems competing with these teams, on both sides of the ball.
Oregon has the advantages in this game, and can force OSU into the type of game it wants to play. In the end, OSU can't keep up, and Oregon ends up winning by 2 TDs.
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Civil War.
When you look at both teams talents and players Oregon clearly has the advantage. With inconsistancy at the QB spot and Jaquizz “having a down year” it might be tough fo rthe Beavers. As much I dont care for the Beavers they are still a team that can win though if things work well in there favor.
The one thing I am looking forward to and will br rooting for the Beavers that night is on Haloween when both california schools will be in the Valley. UCLA @ OSU and USC @ Oregon.Will be an intersting Halowwen if both teams can dominate.
GO DUCKS!!
Uneducated Analysis.
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised about this analysis from an Oregon fan site but I think it is not a well educated opinion of OSU.
Common misperception about OSU FB by UO fans:
Perceived talent gap? That is way overstated. You are looking at the star ratings too much, which is a faulty system frought with bias. OSU has very good talent on offense and defense…and has been so for awhile now. Don’t believe it? Look at the wins and losses over the past few years in the P-10. You can not chalk that up only to coaching. 7 draft picks (second in the country btw) is a good sign.
OSU passing game will not drop off much at all because of a very talented WR group (yet unproven) and two senior QBs who will be better this year.
Stephen Paea is not far from Ngata and has only played a few years of organized football. His bench press and power clean numbers are higher than Ngata’s was when he was in college. So, look for him to dominate again and get better. Can you say strongest player in CFB?
Year in and year out OSU reloads at DE…If Jtlight has been paying attention to OSU camp at all…they are very excited about 4 DEs who will rotate and they do not make those statements lightly.
UO fans on average have only watched Quizz Rodgers play maybe 2 games all season last year, so have an udecucated opinion of him. He is a speacial player that only comes around once a decade. (Do not even come back with YPC as it is apples and oranges). If OSU’s Oline is serviceable this year…he will be much better than 2008 due to growth from frosh to soph year (18 to 19 yrs old). Like it or not, he is already one of the best RBs in the nation and will only get better.
As far as the 2008 CW, Oregon played the perfect game and deserved that dominant win. Congrats. If I was a UO fan I would make excuses like the 2007 CW because OSU was missing their best player who was the reason OSU was third in the country in ball control. Quizz makes a huge difference in OSU’s offense last year (and is their best defender) and would have kept the ball out of the hands of a very good UO offense and would have made things more interesting. Sorry, but UO’s D would not have stopped the run with Quizz in the game and Lyle M would not have thrown the ball 50 times on a shoulder made of hamburger. But injuries are a part of FB so the result is warranted.
Mark Banker will make adjustments to perform better against spread offenses. He definitely has the athletes to execute this but needs a better plan/formation.
Both UO and OSU will make a run at the Rose Bowl this year and their will be a great match up in Autzen on Dec 3rd. Mark my words.
Funny you say “If I was a UO fan I would make excuses like the 2007 CW”
Then you go on to give a paragraph of excuses.
I have heard of a backhanded compliment, was this a backhanded …….insult? …beavs confuse me.
Nah, he wasn't making excuses thereafter.
He’s right, injuries are a part of the game.
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Let's just go point by point
OSU passing game will not drop off much at all because of a very talented WR group (yet unproven) and two senior QBs who will be better this year.
Mike Riley has yet to develop a QB. His QBs have been mediocre at best. There is little reason to think either QB will progress in 2009. As far as receivers, they are unproven and will be a significant drop-off from Stroughter and Morales.
Stephen Paea is not far from Ngata and has only played a few years of organized football. His bench press and power clean numbers are higher than Ngata’s was when he was in college. So, look for him to dominate again and get better. Can you say strongest player in CFB?
There are plenty of strong players. He is a very good defensive lineman. But your lack of objectivity is striking. He is not the type of player that can take over a game like a Glenn Dorsey, Haloti Ngata, or Sedrick Ellis. Those players were dominant from the tackle position and come along rarely. The fact that you think Paea is comparable is simply laughable.
Year in and year out OSU reloads at DE…If Jtlight has been paying attention to OSU camp at all…they are very excited about 4 DEs who will rotate and they do not make those statements lightly.
Really, so the completely inexperienced group of DEs is going to match the production of last year’s monsters? Whether or not you want to admit it, there will be a dropoff of that position, just as there will be with receivers. I could honestly care less what Paul Buker thinks about the OSU line. They are bound to have a drop in production.
Lastly, in regards to Quizz Rodgers, your reasoning for why he will improve is one of the most baseless things I’ve ever read. He’s a very special back, but he has a lot going against him this year. But he has a revamped offensive line, with a true freshman playing, and with a passing game that will likely regress, it will be much easier for teams to stop him.
Like it or not, OSU has significant questions this season, on both sides of the ball. You may have total belief that the coaching staff will pull it together. I don’t share that belief, and neither do too many other people that watch college football. Next time try bringing at least a little bit of objectivity to this conversation.
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you beat me to it.
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Let's go point by point
Mike Riley has yet to develop a QB. His QBs have been mediocre at best.
Matt Moore, Derek Anderson— both NFL QBs from Mike Riley’s
But your lack of objectivity is striking. He is not the type of player that can take over a game like a Glenn Dorsey, Haloti Ngata, or Sedrick Ellis
Seriously, watch him first. How many times have you seen him play? He’s being pegged as a potential first rounder. First rounders can take over games. That is a blind comment.
Really, so the completely inexperienced group of DEs is going to match the production of last year’s monsters?
Just like Slade Norris and Victor Butler weren’t going to be able to replace the production of guys like Sir Henry Anderson and Dorian Smith. Another blind comment. Pay attention to the Beavs before you start making these comments.
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by The VD Special on Sep 1, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Matt Moore, Derek Anderson— both NFL QBs from Mike Riley’s
Give me a break. Them being in the NFL had nothing to do with their performance in college. Anderson could barely get through a drive without throwing an interception, while Moore had a bad year, and a decent year. Mike Riley((at least over the past 5 years) has not had a QB in the top 30 nationally in QB efficiency, while Moore in 2006 was the only QB to finish in the top 5 of the conference. So I say again, Mike Riley cannot develop QBs.
He’s being pegged as a potential first rounder.
Let’s put the emphasis on potential. He’s very good. He’s not in the league of the best defensive tackle in the country, and it’s not even close.
Just like Slade Norris and Victor Butler weren’t going to be able to replace the production of guys like Sir Henry Anderson and Dorian Smith.
Note that I never made such claims about Norris and Butler, and thought they’d be just fine last year.
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Perceived talent gap? That is way overstated. You are looking at the star ratings too much, which is a faulty system frought with bias. OSU has very good talent on offense and defense…and has been so for awhile now. Don’t believe it? Look at the wins and losses over the past few years in the P-10. You can not chalk that up only to coaching. 7 draft picks (second in the country btw) is a good sign.
You couldn’t have said it better. Seven draft picks is a good sign that there are seven less NFL-caliber players on OSU’s roster. Oregon State clearly has the talent necessary to compete with any team in the country, but losing that many great athletes takes time and work to come back from.
Stephen Paea is not far from Ngata and has only played a few years of organized football. His bench press and power clean numbers are higher than Ngata’s was when he was in college. So, look for him to dominate again and get better. Can you say strongest player in CFB?
Now I’m not doubting the strength of Stephen Paea. He’s enormous. But being a game-changing defensive lineman has much more to do with technique and intelligence than is does how much a player can lift. And technique and intelligence are what make Haloti Ngata one of the best defensive tackles in the NFL. Do I think Paea is the best player on OS’s defense? I do. But bring me more reasons why than that he lifts more weights than a player that hasn’t been on Oregon’s roster for three years.
Year in and year out OSU reloads at DE…If Jtlight has been paying attention to OSU camp at all…they are very excited about 4 DEs who will rotate and they do not make those statements lightly.
OS has a long tradition of being strong at DE. But all 4 DEs are unproven. And looking good in practice can mean very little about game performance (Oregon’s secondary getting torched against Boise St. last year). We have reason to be excited about our offensive line and our DTs, but it doesn’t make them good.
UO fans on average have only watched Quizz Rodgers play maybe 2 games all season last year, so have an udecucated opinion of him. He is a speacial player that only comes around once a decade. (Do not even come back with YPC as it is apples and oranges). If OSU’s Oline is serviceable this year…he will be much better than 2008 due to growth from frosh to soph year (18 to 19 yrs old). Like it or not, he is already one of the best RBs in the nation and will only get better.
First of all, the first sentence is ridiculous. It sounds like a fact, but it’s a blind guess. And the most telling quote is…
If OSU’s Oline is serviceable this year…
which is a big IF. OS’s projected starting line includes two former walk-ons and a true freshman. Granted, the true freshman is a highly touted recruit, but the fact remains that he’s never played college football before, and it can’t be the easiest task adjusting to game speed. I’d say OS’s offensive line has a longer way to go than Oregon’s, based purely on game experience. This, combined with a lack of skill players out wide like Stroughter, is viable reasoning that Quizz will regress in output this year.
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by Takimoto on Sep 1, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Canfield
Isn’t Canfield supposed to be a better deep threat than Lyle, or is that just speculation? Also, is the Lalich kid from Virginia even in the picture, I know OSU was pretty high on him when he came in. Is he still there or does he not have a shot since Lyle and Canfield are there?
He is a better deep threat when his arm is healthy, but that's the million dollar question everyone wants to know
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by The VD Special on Sep 1, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Mark Banker
i recently heard an interview w/ Banker (OSU D-Coordinator) in which he explained his basic defensive philosophy. in summary, they play smaller-ish, quicker-ish LB’s that can flow to the ball as the D-Line funnels to the sidelines…thats why its important to have quick LB’s and DB’s that can take good angles and tackle…
my question: what happens when the offense you’re facing wants to do the exact same but is faster and more efficient at it and make those angles look foolish?
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Talent gap…so you assume the cupboard is bare at OSU since the draft. Yet, by default UOs large defection to the NFL will not affect this year’s team? Pick a side and stick with it. Both teams reload or both teams rebuild. The gap is not that large.
Paea IS a game changer and a beast. He can’t take over a game? Did you watch OSU last year (not just the CW too). I am not saying he is as good as Ngata, but he is in the discussion. His strength is only a part of the puzzle. Look, you have to actually watch him play to realize the impact he has on a game. This is only his second year and you will see what I am talking about…actually tune in and watch before you form an opinion. He is a beast and changes the complexion of OSU’s defense and what they can do.
QBs (Moevao) mediocre at best??? Are you kidding me? He led the P-10 before he was injured and was a shell of himself afterward. Canfield is not much of a drop-off either. Come on…you are hurting your credibility.
A significant drop off from Stroughter and Morales? Stroughter will be sorely missed I give you that, but if history is our guide OSU has reloaded at receiver every year and this is the deepest talent pool OSU has had in a long time. (Chad and TJ, Newsome, Hass, Stroughter, JRodgers) Every year this is said about the Beavers (as is the case with the DEs) and every year they answer the bell. While they are unproven, you have to give them the benefit of the doubt. Just like you are giving the UO ducks the benefit of the doubt. Keep in mind they are losing alot this year as well and yet the assumption here is that they deserve their lofty ranking. So right back at ya.
There will be a drop-off but not a significant one at the WR position.
Again with the DEs. (Jackson and Grant, Swancutt, Dorian Smith and Van Orsow, Butler and Norris). You can make a leap of faith based on history. If that history was not there, then I would not make the claim.
Granted you have a point about a lot of questions that are a risk to Quizz’s production this year. if the O-line is not good then I do not care if Adrian Peterson is running the ball, there will be a dropoff. And yes, unproven receivers who do not pan out will affect the running game.
Reading your original post does not scream objectivity either. Everything you have said about the Beavers in terms of risks to their season are interestingly similar to the risks to UO’s season. Yet your assumptions are the UO’s will be answered and OSU’s will not.
Cases in point:
O-line has been gutted by graduation and defection.
D-line has one returning player.
JJ is gone yet put hopes in unproven LaMike
No proven receivers to speak of (excpet Jeff M but he isn’t exactly a stud)
Byrd and Chung are gone
Kicking game.
I go by OSU long history of reloading at certain positions and yes i have faith in the coaching staff to, as usual, answer those questions. OSU does have lots of questions and I could be wrong and the Beavs may fall back in the Pac, but history is on their side i believe.
Yet your original analysis assumes success vis-a-vis OSU? Who lacks objectivity?
Did you even bother reading any of what I wrote. Or do you just want to get your panties in a bunch, and ignore opinions that don’t line up with yours?
I will say again, Paea is a very good player, but he doesn’t take over games, and totally dominate games like other big time DTs have. He is a step down from that. I’m mean, he’s not even in the top 5 nationally. On top of that, no matter how good he is, he can be isolated. At this point, there’s no reason to think that the other OSU lineman will make other teams pay for doubling Paea.
For Moevao, he was good for 53rd nationally in passing efficiency. The fact that you are defening him when he threw 13 interceptions (at least 3 for TDs) is amazing. Mike Riley has not once developed an above average QB. They constantly make mistakes, especially if the game is in their hands.
As far as the receivers…I don’t have to give them the benefit of a doubt. Ted Miller ranks the unit as 7th best in the Pac-10, while Phil Steele ranks them 9th. It’s a unit with depth and experience questions.
Lastly, I think that a lot of Oregon’s questions will be answered, but it’s not like I don’t think a lot of OSU’s will be. I’m pegging them for 4th in the conference, which considering the questions is quite a compliment.
But Oregon has the most productive QB in the Pac-10, one of the best running backs in the nation, one of the Pac-10’s top tight ends, as well as some players that have shown incredbile explosion on offense. I’m sorry, but Oregon State doesn’t have that on the offensive side of the ball.
Meanwhile, while OSU’s defense has two great players, it doesn’t do anything exceptionally. It will be very good against teams of similar talent. But Oregon has one of the top cornerbacks in the country, and one of the best linebacking units. It has it’s own questions, but when you have a dominant unit, it covers up a lot of problems. OSU has no such unit.
Your entire reasoning is based in the past. That’s fine. I’m looking at the past also, in terms of the offensive line for Oregon, etc. But at the same time, realize that it took Mike Riley a good 4 years to build a team that could even sniff a top tier bowl. And then a bunch of those players left. OSU will be consistent, but it will lack the explosiveness and talent that is found in the top teams of the Pac-10.
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Everyone on OSU is at least as good as Florida.
I personally think they could give the New York Giants a run for their money – as long as it was in Reser Stadium
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They DID shut out Pittsburgh in the Sun Bowl. That was the Steelers, right? I didn’t watch.
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Sore knee or something
by Bill Musgrave on Sep 1, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll also add one more thing. One of the main reasons that OSU was so good last year is because they had a dominant D-line that pressure the QB non-stop. The also had a very good set of corners and safeties that used that to their advantage.
This year, they WON’T HAVE THAT. They won’t have consistent pressure, and they’ll have CB’s that aren’t as good, and will have to cover people for a much longer amount of time. Against a good offense, this is a recipe for disaster. Again, this whole post was about matchups. About why OSU matches up terribly against Oregon. It will do just fine against a lot of other teams, but it doesn’t have the strengths it did last year, which will make it surprisingly hard to stop certain teams.
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You can’t make leaps of faith based on history. These WRs and DEs are not their predecessors, and you should have the respect to treat them as such.
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It's not a leap of faith
But schools lose players every year. Schools like USC, Florida, Ohio St, etc “reload” because they are who they are
I AM NOT IN ANY WAY TRYING TO INSINUATE THAT OREGON STATE IS ON THE TALENT LEVEL OF SAID SCHOOLS
I am trying to suggest that, given track record, we have reloaded on the defensive line and at linebacker year after year for the past 4 years. So, why should I think that this year will be any different? Especially with one defensive end being a Senior, and our middle linebacker being a pure talent, which there is no debating.
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by The VD Special on Sep 1, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha, I was just trying to make my point because as I was typing it I could already see the “you think you are USC?” responses..
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by The VD Special on Sep 1, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
you guys beat USC last year. Why not?
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You have no reason to think they won’t be good. They probably will be. I take issue with the fact that jc963 used the phrase “leap of faith” and is basically declaring DE dominance a sure thing.
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Plus, the fact that, they’ve been around 3rd in the Pac-10 the past few years, and with a whole lot of losses to the NFL (which they haven’t really had before), it’s really not a stretch to think they’ll finish 4th this year. I mean, the reason I have them 4th is because I have such faith that Mike Riley will be able to pull a competent defense out of this group.
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I'm as confident about our Defensive Line as I have been when we've reloaded
We’re more athletic at the Ends then we have been in the past, and they are well coached.
It’s the cornerbacks that I am scared about because it took 4 years for Hughes and Lewis to really show off their stuff. I’m worried that the development is a process at that position and we won’t see the benefits for a year or two. But again, more athletic and more talented there as well.
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by The VD Special on Sep 1, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Paea is no Ngata?
He’s being pegged as a first round pick. How do you make that statement seriously?
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Uhh, because he’s not. Haloti Ngata was the best defensive tackle in college football his junior ryear. Paea is not even #1 in the conference. He’s very good, but he’s not at that Ngata/Dorsey/Ellis level of play.
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Ngata is likely a future NFL Hall-of-Famer. He’s arguably the best defensive tackle in the NFL.
Not to say Paea isn’t an amazing player. He unquestionably is.
But… Are you REALLY comparing Paea to Ngata? Come on VD… I know you can admit this one. It’s like comparing Derek Anderson to Dan Fouts.
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Honestly, how many times have you watched Paea play!?
The guy had one year and dominated! He is only going to get better!
I’m not disputing the talent of Ngata, and he has had an incredible NFL career already. But where is the anti-Paea coming from!?
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by The VD Special on Sep 1, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve watched him play sparingly. But then again, how much did you watch Ngata or anyone else play?
I’m not gonna act like I’ve broken down every DT in football. But, it’s also clear that the people that do have him as a better DT in the nation, but not part of the true elite. He is not on the level of Terrence Cody, or other DTs that can be called dominant.
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I watched Ngata quite a bit. And continue to watch him in the NFL. He is an electric player.
But when NFL and College analysts have both pegged Paea as a pure talent (after one year), and a potential first rounder, then I’m going to take their word for it, not the word from somebody who has watched him “sparingly”
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by The VD Special on Sep 1, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Have they ever pegged him as the next coming of Haloti Ngata?
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Thanks for the comic relief Quinn. Obviously this argument is going to go anywhere, so I’m done talking about Stephen Paea until the end of the year.
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by The VD Special on Sep 1, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Well first, I’m not relying on my own info, which I say below. I’m referring to draft experts and other people that break this stuff down. They have Paea is a potential 1st round draft pick. So hey, we can agree on that. But let’s remember the word potential. That means he could get into the first round. But also not.
He’s right now, the 6th ranked DT in the 2011 draft. He’s very good, but he’s not at that elite dominating level that the greats are/have been at.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I fail to see where they've been anti-Paea at all.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
by qrsouther on Sep 1, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But where is the anti-Paea coming from!?
I haven’t seen any Anti-Paea talk. No one is disputing him being a great player. All I have seen is that he isn’t the greatest D-lineman in the Pac-10 which may very well be true considering the other talent out there.
If by Anti-Paea talk, you mean people saying he isn’t the best in the Pac-10/nation, then I guess there is a lot of anti-Paea talk.
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Sep 1, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Honestly, how many times have you watched Paea play!?
I’ve seen him play against Stanford, Penn State, USC, California, Oregon.
Is that not enough, do I have to be able to watch EVERY SINGLE PLAY to get a sliver of an idea?
He’s a damn good player! FOR THE LAST FREAKING TIME!
How is that anti-Paea? I’m just saying it’s ridiculous to compare Paea to Ngata. And from what I’ve personally watched, as mentioned above, I stand by what I’ve said.
"It’s spelled S-H-U-T-U-P-I-M-S-M-A-R-T-E-R-T-H-A-N-Y-O-U"
Alright alright, we're all friends here.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
Who's doing the pegging?
Seriously. I mean, if that’s going to be repeated as evidence of his awesomeness, it’d be good to attribute it to somebody.
Something we can all agree on
How good is Black Butte Porter? So good right?
It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by Takimoto on Sep 1, 2009 1:52 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I hate porter.
If I wanted a meal, I’d order food.
Boysenberry Wheat at Block 15 in Corvallis is awesome
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on Sep 1, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
I’m just drinking a BBP right now. That’s why I brought it up.
It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
and I'll just beat everyone to the punch now
DRINKING BEFORE TWO?!?!! MUST BE A TAKO TUESDAY!!!
It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
I want to have a Tako Tuesday!
This will be our new offseason thread. When it gets really low, we’ll have a Tako Tuesday open thread. And all of us will talk about beer.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Shu, before you get into too many beers you need to check out the anagram I left you over at OBNUG.
Last time I checked, there is no "Hall of Average." - Oregon Football Coach Chip Kelly
Ann Cot – she’d prefer a pillow-top, but she’ll take what she can get.
Tan Con – Plenty of time to catch rays in the joint.
Not Can – just keg.
It's spelled "T-A-K-O-T-U-E-S-D-A-Y-S-!-!-!."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
I like it. First topic: best dinosaur-named beer in Eugene, Tricerahops or Hopasaurus Rex?
It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Quinn’s got a lot of work to do if he want in on Tako Tuesday banter.
It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Maybe when I'm 16 Brad will take me to the pub.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
It's spelled "T-A-K-O-T-U-E-S-D-A-Y-S-!-!-!."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
they have a big neon sign out front, I contemplate boosting it whenever I’m on Telegraph Ave.
It's spelled "T-A-K-O-T-U-E-S-D-A-Y-S-!-!-!."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Gee that's a catchy name there Tako, Tako Tuesday!
Tako Tuesday, I get it! That pretty clever. I bet the guy who came up with it is just rolling in the royalties everytime someone types it.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
My last day of work was 10 days ago, I’m packing for Boise and setting my fantasy baseball rosters in case I can’t get on the Interweb while out of town.
It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
what else am I supposed to do? i’m saving money for school, there’s nothing on TV, and there’s beer in the fridge.
It's spelled "T-A-K-I-M-O-T-S-C-H-M-O-E."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Are you still living in Eugene?
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
I’m in the Bay Area until next week. Moving back to Eugene in time for Purdue.
It's spelled "T-A-K-O-T-U-E-S-D-A-Y-S-!-!-!."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Any reason to still live in Eugene?
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
13 more credits and a degree.
It's spelled "T-A-K-O-T-U-E-S-D-A-Y-S-!-!-!."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
sweet jesus…
It's spelled "T-A-K-O-T-U-E-S-D-A-Y-S-!-!-!."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
MD 20/20…what you get when you take wine coolers and remove the cooler.
Last time I checked, there is no "Hall of Average." - Oregon Football Coach Chip Kelly
…what you get when you take wine coolers and remove the cooler.
… remove the cooler AND your shirt. In public.
Holy crap. Stop it Arby. I need to breath and everyone in office is looking at me crazy-like.
Last time I checked, there is no "Hall of Average." - Oregon Football Coach Chip Kelly
I want to stop.
But you still don’t know about the newest flavor, Blue Raspberry, now with mystery ingredient “Bling-Bling”… don’t look now, but your taste buds just started crumping.
I think this should be this week’s official tailgating beverage of choice for ducks in boise. Blue turf, blue drank, bling-bling.
rec’d for awesomeness
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
Kind've makes you want to puke and get drunk simultaneously, doesn't it?
I couldn’t actually talk football on this thread. Clearly it wasn’t going to be pretty from the start and all of these “previews” from people with no access to the teams are a little, well, shaky.
So, what sounds good to you? Banana Red (red?!)? Orange Jubilee?
We're getting back to football!
I actually like previews with an outsider perspective. Makes you actually think about things, and keep some semblance of objectivity.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Its all about the Bling Bling...
Anyone who truly appreciates some MD 20/20 knows Bling Bling Blue Raspberry is the truth
This whole conversation is going against the spirit of Tako Tuesday.
It's spelled "T-A-K-O-T-U-E-S-D-A-Y-S-!-!-!."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Hey thats my beer. How did we never finish that?
Are there enough Duck Highlights on Youtube to watch for 7 day straight??
it was warm for basically your entire time here.
It's spelled "T-A-K-O-T-U-E-S-D-A-Y-S-!-!-!."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
it’s cold now. :)
It's spelled "T-A-K-O-T-U-E-S-D-A-Y-S-!-!-!."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
I'm not sure...
But he has caught something in Coach Riley’s eye. It’s a sunset, one ripe to ride off into. For glinting in that sunset are golden keys marked "AD" and a note signed "The foundation is laid, the architecture is yours. PK(squared)."
And as he looks to take the reins that will guide him into that sunset he looks down at the reins he currently holds, but only for a second, as he knows they will continue to be steered by the capable hand that he has entrusted them to.
And so, he smiles. Because it’s a perfect sunset. 694 yards from whatever remnants of a storm he last found himself in, and only 565 yards up the San Diego coast.
…But maybe that’s just me.
"It amazes me that you understand (...) the number one play of what their offense is and what they do best, AND you still can't stop it!" - Craig James
by AcadianTraverse on Sep 2, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
very poetic, nice work
but is still think he wants a piece of Riley
by Bill Musgrave on Sep 2, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
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