Media Wednesday - Respecting the Power of the Juju
by David Piper on Sep 23, 2009 11:17 AM PDT
in Oregon Ducks Football
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Its Bear week, and Media Wednesday doesn't need to be reminded that we've lost three in a row and four of five against these guys. We can tell ourselves that this streak will be broken on Saturday but, lets be honest, we have no control over that. No, we must acknowledge the Juju and his power to control the fate of the football universe. Keth Allen's drop? FLUKE. Cameron Colvin's fumble? FLUKE. These excuses are no more. What the Juju wants is our attention and our respect. We respect you, Juju, and stand in awe of the power that you can unleash. In deference to your power, we relive the moments of mayhem that you have caused the last five years, acknowledge your power and implore you to make the Bears respect you the way we humbly do.
2004, the darkest days in decades for our Ducks. However, at the time, we're 5-3, and driving for the game winning field goal against a top ten team when the Juju, clearly visible in this video, turns Keith Allen's hands to butter:
In 2006, we start off 4-0, and head into Berkeley coming off a total blowout of Arizona State. We're ranked #11, and our offense is rolling. Pissed off at Brady Leaf for defying the Juju in OT the year before, the Juju really lets us have it with a primetime national TV meltdown. DeSean Jackson just toyed with us:
Not even Dennis Dixon could overcome the power of the Juju. In what was one of the biggest games in Oregon history. the Ducks all but have the game tying score, when the Juju makes a lifelong goat of poor Cameron Colvin just as he's crossing the goal line:
And, perhaps mercifully, there doesn't seem to be any video of the pain that the Juju caused us last year. Needing only a field goal to tie it in the fourth quarter, the Juju made Jairus Byrd forget to catch the punt, and gave Cal another TD to put the game away.
UPDATE: reader Oskigodummy has added this video for us. I'm not sure if we should thank him or pummel him:
We acknowledge this pain and the power of the Juju to inflict it. You may go elsewhere now Juju, your work will be remembered in Eugene for a long, long time.
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mmm...steak
How do you break a steak?
I know how to marinate and grill, is that like tenderizing it?
You’re forgetting the fluke luck that went in Oregon’s favor though, the 2003 blackout.
I was at the 2004 game, stood there speechless with my hands on the top of my head and my jaw practically on the ground for about five minutes.
dammit, I can't spell
yeah, I was at that game too. It was pretty amazing. The lights going out turned around our whole season.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Sep 23, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I still don't get that fumble in the endzone rule
How does that make sense…if you fumble out of bounds at the one inch line its your ball there but if it goesout of bounes one inch into the end zone its the other team’s ball on the twenty? Stupid rule. If you fumble out of bounds in the end zone it should be your teams ball at the one.
Yeah. Someone could correct me, but isn’t it true if you fumble, and it goes out of bounds, you get the ball where it last in possession? I didn’t think you could make forward progress from a fumble. Sounds like an inconsistency.
Not that I’m complaining. The refs called it right.
It's spelled "S-H-U-X-U-A-L H-A-R-A-S-S-M-E-N-T"
yep. Its a pretty harsh penalty for sure
It seems to be kind of arbitrary.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Sep 23, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Because the rule makes sense.
When the offensive team fumbles the ball, they lose possession. If the ball goes into the defensive endzone, you can only have two results…a touchdown or a touchback. A touchdown can only result when the offense has possession. Because possession of the ball hasn’t been established (like a punt or a kickoff going out of the endzone), the result of the play is a touchback.
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
Good assessment
Despite the fact that it stings when you see your own team pull it, I think the rule is appropriate as is.
"It amazes me that you understand (...) the number one play of what their offense is and what they do best, AND you still can't stop it!" - Craig James
by AcadianTraverse on Sep 23, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
dunno, me still no likey, regardless the cal game result
your point is clear and well written, and it’s obviously the way the rule book works today. still, this has always felt like the worst rule in football.
i think i need some help from Plato or Johnny Cochrane to better frame my thoughts, but i suppose i’d argue the unwritten, intended “possession” or possession “lean” with punts and kickoffs is to the receiving team, while in fumble cases the possession “lean” is to the offense. by “lean” i mean in most cases when ownership is in doubt, or more accurately put when “possession has not been established”, the rules favor the receiving team with the kicks, and the offense with fumbles.
prior to actual possession, there are rules in place that favor the receiving team with punts (offense can’t take it unless it hits defender, fair catch can claim it) and with kickoffs (10yard rule, fair catch can claim it), and rules that favor the offense prior to possession with fumbles (out of bounds for the full 100yds of the field, goes to offense). These rules express values – the “majority” of the intent with punts and kickoffs is that they go to the receiving team, while the majority of the intent with fumbles is that they go to the offense.
so it’s consistent that punt and kickoff touchbacks go to the receiving team – reflects the rest of values expressed by rules that help the receiving team get kicks a kicks.
it then seems inconsistent that a fumble through the endzone can’t be returned to the offense. elsewhere, the offense is given more right to an un-possessed fumble than the defense, just not here. for some reason the mechanics of a “touchback” – ball must go to the defense on the 20yrd line – are made sacrocinct over the logic that is used elsewhere on the field.
ball could easily go back to the offense at the previous line of scrimmage, the 20yard line is just as arbitrary.
by Bill Musgrave on Sep 24, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions
it's just a tricky situation
because there’s no good solution. you can’t conceivably give the ball to the offense at the 1, because they should be punished for fumbling. but the current rule seems harsh. i’d say the most reasonable is giving the offense the ball at the 20: the offense loses a bunch of yards for fumbling, but the defense doesn’t get the ball back because they didn’t recover it.
It's spelled "T-A-K-O-T-U-E-S-D-A-Y-S-!-!-!."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
no doubt, it's gray
therefore, cam colvin must be retroactively awarded that touchdown.
dear juju – i didn’t mean that, your decision to rip out our hearts and kill our children was absolutely acceptable and even welcomed, thank you for the gloom you so generously bestowed upon us.
by Bill Musgrave on Sep 24, 2009 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I will not be surprised in the least if over on Urban Dictionary there is a new entry for Juju today.
- A mystic dark power derived in the California Bay area that inflicts its wrath on young men from a land to the north, usually following the autumnal equinox.
"It amazes me that you understand (...) the number one play of what their offense is and what they do best, AND you still can't stop it!" - Craig James
by AcadianTraverse on Sep 24, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Why COULDN’T you conceivably give the ball to the offense at the 1? When a guy fumbles on the 31 yard line and it rolls forward but goes out of bounds at the 29, the offense gets the ball back at the 31.
Essentially, the defense is rewarded in this case for making a play at an arbitrary place on the field. They’re given bonus points for a good defensive play at the 1 yard line instead of the 31 yard line. That hardly seems consistent.
I’ve always thought this was one of the quirkier rules in football. It should be like whiffle ball in the back yard when it goes over the fence into the neighbor’s yard – it’s a do-over.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
Essentially, the defense is rewarded in this case for making a play at an arbitrary place on the field. They’re given bonus points for a good defensive play at the 1 yard line instead of the 31 yard line. That hardly seems consistent.
In the case of last year’s Oregon State vs. Stanford game, Moevao threw a backwards pass that rolled out of the endzone (therefore was ruled a fumbled). Satnford was given possession at the 2 0 yard line. How does that make any sense? The defense did nothing yet were highly rewarded.
I’m unfamiliar with that play, but how in the world did a backward pass roll out of the offensive endzone? That takes some talent right there.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
They were backed up to about their 5 yard line and he threw a pass to the RB who was behind him and didn’t see the ball. The ball bounced out of the endzone, the backwards pass was ruled a fumble and Stanford was given the touchback.
oops … I think I am combining 2 different situations. The Moevao backwards pass resulted in a safety. At the end of the game, Catchings (I think) fumbled out of the endzone ala Colvin. Here’s a recap with video.
Sorry for the confusion.
there is a simple solution
although i don’t think anyone will like it.
take rugby rules. all instances where a ball carrier steps out of bounds, or a fumble goes out of bounds, end in a change of possession.
Great post
I encourage everyone to cleanse their souls with the power of the JUJU DANCE!
It's spelled "T-A-K-O-T-U-E-S-D-A-Y-S-!-!-!."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
I always respect the power of Juju
Just like Serrano from Major League:
Who famously said, “I like Jesus very much, but He no help with Curveball”
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Technically that's Jobu
but I like where you’re head’s at.
It's spelled "T-A-K-O-T-U-E-S-D-A-Y-S-!-!-!."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
You tryin’ to say Jesus Christ can’t hit a curveball?
Guy behind me at Autzen says "why do the fans yell 'OOOOOO' when we are on D?" He then proceeds to yell "DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" on every defensive play for the rest of the game. As Carlos Mencia would say, "Dee Dee Deeeee".
by MarineCorpsDuck on Sep 23, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
"You ever smell Vagasil?"
C’mere freshman! Smell my finger!
May we hand you your taints on a silver platter...
This has to be a record
For use of the word “juju” on a PG rated site. Congratulations. Someone call the Guinness people.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
Sorry, Shu forgot the Guinness.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
Does anybody have some tissue
Cameron’s fumble had so many possibilities, if it had spun a different way, had he jumped, stutter stepped, stepped out, not fumbled at all. Oh the heartbreak of athletics. should we eat some Juju bees on saturday in order to appease the gods?
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
offerings of cigar and rum
offerings of cigar and rum to Jobu should be sufficient.
Just remember, it is very bad to steal Jobu’s rum…is very bad.
HEY BARTENDER, JOBU NEEDS A REFILL!
Guy behind me at Autzen says "why do the fans yell 'OOOOOO' when we are on D?" He then proceeds to yell "DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" on every defensive play for the rest of the game. As Carlos Mencia would say, "Dee Dee Deeeee".
by MarineCorpsDuck on Sep 24, 2009 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions
The horn
Kind of off subject, but does anyone know why we don’t sound the loud noise when we score a TD anymore? I can’t really describe the noise- kind of like someone pounded a few keys on a keyboard? Or do we still make that noise? I haven’t heard it recently. Thanks for responding…
yep, it was there last week. Played when any Duck score is made
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
geez...
Maybe it was too loud for me to hear- but I have not noticed it AT ALL lately. BTW, did you think the announcer last week was drunk?
Don Essig was having some interesting issues calling the game. That’s for sure! Drunk, I have no idea. It might have been just a bad day
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
Sorry, I was at work. ;)
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
I can hear it on TV when we score
So we’re still doing it.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Dear Juju
We are sorry for hatching Mandrake from an egg in front of tens of thousands of people, and appreciate the lesson you have bestowed upon us, it feels complete. If you would, please take a moment to review Stephen Colbert’s opinion of bears.
Respectfully,
O
by Bill Musgrave on Sep 23, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Juju, as your ever so humble
and respectful servant, I request that for once, you affect Cal or Jahvid Best in the grandest of fashions as has become so commonplace for us UO fans to whimper through. Oh and Juju by the way, did I mention how respectful humble and submissive to your power I am?
(Formerly, well, lets not go there) The curse! I cannot live knowing i have the power to knowingly dictate somebody's fate.Yes, that is Jahvid Best as my profile image (as motivated by marinecorpsduck). We should all collectively hope like hell that putting his picture up there will have the same effect my screenname did. We will find out on Saturday!
Debbie Downer
What a bummer of a post, some of my worst memories over the past 5 years. Lets hope we can get that JUJU off our back.
I can get you a toe by three o'clock this afternoon.
*wipes tear from eye*
those are beautiful. Thank you.
Go Bears Go
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