My Thoughts On Kiffin -------> USC
by David Piper on Jan 13, 2010 10:43 AM PST
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PrintSo we've had a night to sleep on the idea: Lane Kiffin is the new head coach at USC. My reaction: I think its fantastic. This has every appearance of a rushed hire that was not well thought out. Certainly, Kiffin and his "all-star" cast of assistants-uber-recruiter Ed Orgeron, Defensive guru Monte Kiffin, and, quite possibly, the return of OC Norm Chow, will be relentless recruiters. The thought that SC would have a down class this year is now out the window. Kiffin was putting together a fantastic class at Tennessee, and if he can keep most of the SC class in tact, and perhaps poach some of the UT class, as he was reportedly trying to do last night, SC will be a top class again this year. And it seems to me that's what this hire had in mind: save the class. But despite the recruiting prowess, there are many reasons to be excited about this hire if you are a non-SC Pac-10 fan.
The first thing you need to know about Lane Kiffin is that he is the biggest ass in college football. I'm guessing it won't be a week before he is needling Oregon and Washington and UCLA, his arrogant sense of entitlement think that he'll walkover all of them like its 2005. CK and Sark will be smart enough to ignore it. Neuheisel will be stupid enough to engage in it. And it will just make all of us-who were pretty ambivalent to SC under the Carroll era-pretty much hate them. SC fans will love it and call it a "swagger," failing to realize that he's a bottom feeding cretin who will be a blight on their university. You though Mike Stoops was an ass? Mike Stoops is Tony Dungy when compared to Lane Kiffin.
I know what you're saying: "that stuff is really for the fans, this hire will be judged by wins and losses." And to a large extent, that's true. But its almost universally believed that SC has probation coming up soon-for sure a loss of scholarships, and a bowl ban is a big possibility. The NCAA will be watching SC like a hawk. And not only was Kiffin the biggest ass in college football during his one season at UT, he was also a walking recruiting violation. And he was one of the key figures in the SC program during the time that the violations occurred. I have zero faith in his ability to recruit cleanly. If his SC tenure goes anything like his UT tenure, SC will be mired in probation, and Kiffin will be canned in three years.
But here's the real reason I'm excited as a Pac-10 fan-there is no reason to think that Kiffin is actually a qualified head coach. He got the Raiders job, despite no head coaching experience, because Al Davis is an idiot. Somehow, he parlayed a 5-20 record at Oakland into one of the best college coaching jobs in the land at Tennessee. His mediocre 7-6 season at UT propelled him into one of the top three college jobs in the land. His head coaching record is 5-21-hardly the slam dunk hire that many SC fans are making it out to be. He'll be a great recruiter, but we've yet to find out whether Kiffin can actually coach a game.
Further, I've even seen many SC commenters excited that Kiffin's father, Monte, will be bringing with him his Tampa 2 defense, one Conquest Chronicles user commenting that Kiffin is Oregon "worst nightmare" and "they'll be lucky to score 24 points." Pete Carroll ran cover 2 schemes with regularity while at SC, so it won't be that much of a change, other than Kiffin will likely run it even more than Carroll did. And while the cover 2 has a reputation for limiting big plays, its biggest weaknesses are misdirection, runs up the middle, and throws to the tight end-exactly the weapons that the Oregon spread is best designed to use. You could have ran anything with SC's 2008 defense and they would have been successful. But without that kind of veteran talent, the Tampa 2 is a generally undisciplined defense that a good spread option should rip to shreds.
Finally, SC fans hope that this is a "continuation" of the glory days. But SC's "glory days" are over. I expect them to be a very good team. They will compete regularly for Rose Bowl's and national championships. But the days where it's a foregone conclusion that they will win the Pac-10 is over. Kiffin will get his recruits. But he'll be competiting with Neuheisel, Kelly, Sark, Harbaugh, and Stoops, and of whom are equally relentless on the recruiting trail, none of whom are anywhere near as douchey as Kiffin, with only Neuheisel and Stoops coming anywhere in the same stratosphere. Oregon is going into SoCal and getting the speed athletes that they want to plug into the spread. Sark has all the connections down there and will be pulling talent from the area. And Neuheisel isn't the recruiting pushover that Dorrell was. SC will always have the best class in the league, but the gaps are not nearly as wide. And that regression was already happening under Carroll. There's no reason to think that Carroll-lite will be able to reverse the trend. With that lessened talent gap, superior strategy can win the day.
I don't get this hire. SC did this with the expectation of returning to the glory days, but those days are gone. At best, SC remains a good program, one that competes for conference championships on a regular basis, but not one that strikes holy terror into the rest of the league. But the downside is embarrassment, shame, and even more sanctions to the SC program. My best guess? Kiffin will not be SC's coach in four years. If his ego and shady character don't get him into trouble, his inability to meet SC fans' unrealistic expectations of replicating Carroll's success will.
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Oddly enough
SC fans hated it when they hired Caroll and they’re loving Kiffin, so that means Kiffin will fail, right?
I don’t get it either btw.
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Is Seastrunk a duck?
I keep hearing rumors but there is no proof…
Hopefully soon
ESPN says he cancelled his USC visit, even after the Kiffin news. He says he wants to announce very soon and all indications are that the ducks are leading. But where have we heard this before…cough….Easley…
That was terrible
He pulled a Manti Te’o on you guys.
by Julio Nievas on Jan 13, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
The more I think about this
The more I love it. At first, all those names scared the hell outta me. But rationality only says it a matter of time before than program truly crumbles. You thought SC was in trouble now? Just wait three years. Rome didn’t fall in one year right?
It took Florida State
The program of the 90s, a while to collapse to middling ACC team.
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all SC hated their AD 24 hrs ago. now they think he’s a genius.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Weird
I’m willing to bet this wasn’t his hire, too.
by Brian Floyd on Jan 13, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
University of Spoiled Children, no longer applies to just the students.
Add that Orgeron is equally as dirty in his methods as a recruiter and it it leads me to feel very good that sanctions maybe USC’s new middle letter.
Caroll was at least smart enough
To put some distance between his coaches and recruiting violations most of the time, Kiffin and co aren’t.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Orgeron needs to change his name to something less “oregon” looking. mandate.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Orgeron is a tool
if rumors are true that he was already telling students to not enroll in class and leave to SC then he’s getting a jump start on his recruiting violations. Notice how all of these great recruiters left Carroll for coaching jobs and never did a thing worth a damn…yet Carroll was still winning Pac-10 championships…hmmm.
don't diss orgeron
the dude is as good a recruiter as they come. I mean he was out of line doing what he did yesterday but he is a mastermind.
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which must explain why he did so well at Ole Miss......
--Dave
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by David Piper on Jan 13, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
Orgeron was a masterful recruiter. Horrible coach. But be sure that his defensive line at USC will be one of the best in the country. Its what he specializes in
by The VD Special on Jan 13, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
I would like to see what he would have done with the program if he stayed for another year
by Julio Nievas on Jan 13, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
University of Sanctioned Coaches
I like that.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jan 13, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Nice Work!
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Not all of us like this.
Some of us remember Kiffin’s dumb 4th-and-2 call vs. Texas in the Rose Bowl costing USC a national championship. A few more remember Kiffin’s brilliant playcalling resulting in a 13-9 loss to ucla and dropping out of that year’s national championship race.
And quite a few of us are rather upset about the way this went down. I love the idea of having Monte Kiffin, Ed Orgeron and possibly Norm Chow on the USC staff, but Lane Kiffin is, well, I’m not sure the terms I would use are acceptable here.
I expect either three bad years and he’s gone or two good years and he jumps to the NFL, and USC goes back to the drawing board under, hopefully, a different AD.
/USC ’92
hopefully at that point you still haven't heard from the NCAA
…at least from your point of view…but yeah i’m very unimpressed with mike garrett
The beloved creator of Sandwich music.
its a joke from on here from like 6 weeks ago at least
ask quinn
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Ask me? I have no idea what it's about.
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I have a Ropert is God™ complex.
someone referenced sandwich music
and i’m sandwich therefore i created it
The beloved creator of Sandwich music.
But how would I know what "sandwich music" came from?
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I have a Ropert is God™ complex.
Or we have...
And the slap on the wrist is already finished.
I find it interesting that the NCAA waited until the last possible minute (their four-year statute of limitations on Reggie Bush would have expired January 4), so my gut feeling is all they’ve got are minor infractions. I could be wrong though.
That’s my feeling as well. I don’t think this will be anything major.
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Exactly
I don’t think they will hit ’SC with major stuff. Seriously? 5 years?
by Julio Nievas on Jan 13, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
NCAA waiting for cival trial
My understanding of the delay with the Bush investigation was that the NCAA could not compel the school or Carrol to testify (as administrators) or Bush since he had already left for the NFL. Bush has been pushing to have the the civil trial changed to closed arbitration which was denied last week. Now the testimony (Bush and Carrol will both be witnesses as well as other university officale and possibly former students) will be accessible to the NCAA. the question is, will Bush quickly settle the suit to avoid testifying
Too late
They already finished up the investigation. Bush also spoke to the NCAA very quietly before the season. What he said remains to be seen
Not looking to interview Bush..
Yes, I know
But the investigation was complete already. They gave notice to USC in October-November with 3 months to respond. The hearing with the infractions committee is mid-Feb. It moved along before the deposition ruling.
by Brian Floyd on Jan 14, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
I'm absolutely shocked at this hire
Good post. The Heisman Pundit rips Kiffin to shreds as well. It’s going to be fun watching Kiffin destroy USC…and to think I used to miss Paul Hackett.
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Congrats on Lache Seastrunk
Though LJ will mostly be your main back, it just makes your RB core THAT much scarier.
If its true
And I’m not celebrating til I hear at least a verbal from him.
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He wore an Oregon beanie when he left AA bowl…
by Julio Nievas on Jan 13, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
With all the craziness going on
Until its official, I’m not going to assume it.
It would be our most highly touted RB recruit since J-Stew though, that’s for sure.
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Yup
Wouldn’t work for ’SC (see: Joe McKnight). But with Oregon, wow.
by Julio Nievas on Jan 13, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
as we’ve learned around here a lot, this means very little to Oergon fans
I call him Malcolm Arm-stud!
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I think you've spent too much time talking about Kiffin today
And are starting to mix Orgeron and Oregon.
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I like it
The more I think about it, the more I like this hire. We just have to accept that in the long run USC is always going to have more blue chip recruits, it’s just the nature of the business and the geography of the Pac-10. It doesn’t mean we can’t compete, we’ve taken them down despite playing against a roster loaded with first-day NFL draft picks.
So, if raw talent is a given, the big question to me is: how good is their coach is at motivating and developing it? Can he put those great players in the right place on the field, make adjustments, and keep that talent motivated and most importantly disciplined? Especially against our Ducks, discipline is key. A freak athlete like Mays is great until you have him running the wrong way.
USC will still pull in highly rated high school kids like they would have with Carroll or any NFL coach that came to the Pac-10. But for all his bluster Kiffin has never shown that he can win on the field, that he can actually lead a team to victory through tough games, or that he has the kind of character and discipline that a team will try to follow and emulate.
Personally, I feel really good with the players Chip Kelly is bringing in combined with a very smart, motivated and disciplined coach at the helm. Don’t forget, we’ve had Chip for 3 years now and he’s 2-1 against big bad USC. Kiffin might be good at getting on TV and raising a stink but there’s one thing he’s never been able to do: Win The Day!
I fully expect Oregon in the Rose Bowl next year again.
by Julio Nievas on Jan 13, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Further, I’ve even seen many SC commenters excited that Kiffin’s father, Monte, will be bringing with him his Tampa 2 defense, one Conquest Chronicles user commenting that Kiffin is Oregon “worst nightmare” and “they’ll be lucky to score 24 points.” Pete Carroll ran cover 2 schemes with regularity while at SC, so it won’t be that much of a change, other than Kiffin will likely run it even more than Carroll did. And while the cover 2 has a reputation for limiting big plays, its biggest weaknesses are misdirection, runs up the middle, and throws to the tight end-exactly the weapons that the Oregon spread is best designed to use.
LOL, who in CC said this?!???
One thing you guys should know
The Board of Trustees wanted coach O and Chow. They didn’t let ass dump Garrett to be involved in the hiring. As one AD in the Pac-10 said, “They could’ve hired Winnie-The-Pooh to be put in with those assistants.”
This is what ‘SC fans wanted, we didn’t care who was at the helm, as long as we got Chow and Orgeron. We were blind sighted with Lane Kiffen coming to town, we thought John Gruden would’ve been the hire.
thanks for the correction
blind sided, blind-sighted.. eh..
by Julio Nievas on Jan 13, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
I'm hesitant to say this, but...
I’m confident in Lane. People give him crap about the Raider days, but his quarterback was Jamarcus Russell for crying out loud, he WAS AGAINST Al Davis draft him. The Tennessee year was shady, but when USC, in its prestigious/ glorious aura, comes knocking on the door and offering a blank check basically, who’s going to say no? In the end, you look for what’s best for yourself and your family.
BTW, Sark was more interested than what met the eye.
In the end, you look for what’s best for yourself and your family.
Then it will come as no surprise when Orgeron and Chow leave soon for greener pastures and all you are left with is Kiffin and his flaming bag of NCAA violations. Let’s not forget this is the same coach who lost to fucla IN Tenn this year.
I call him Malcolm Arm-stud!
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i have no problem with the “loyalty”. people do what’s best for them. not one person here would’ve said no to USC in that situation. i just thinks its ridiculous the kids dont have the option to pursue other schools in this situation also.
as usual, my problem is with the NCAA and not with the individuals exploiting playing by the rules that are given.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
You’d think recruits would be more savvy than to commit their next 4-5 years to a coach who’ll surely not be there that long. How can Lane have any credibility left to sell USC to these kids? Does anyone else question whether they’ll be able to recruit as well as everybody is already predicting?
Because he'll tell them this is his dream job...
and he’ll talk about the differences between Knoxville and L.A., and how he always wanted to spend the rest of his life in L.A., not Knoxville. These are 16, 17, 18 year old kids we’re talking about, and Kiffin — like him or loathe him — is a great recruiter. He’ll be able to sell recruits on the fact that this is his dream job and he’s there forever.
Yup
It helps that he’ll be recruiting mostly local kids, and not recruiting against teams like Florida, Georgia, ‘Bama, LSU, tOSU as he would be at Tennessee. These are kids who have known nothing other than total USC dominance, and have fantasized about playing for them their whole lives. I really don’t think it’ll be a hard sell.
they’ll get the kids they’ve gotten with PC. surprisingly, some 18 yr olds like the spotlight and everything LA can offer (good and bad).
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Ha
Gabe King is considering ’SC because he believes it will give him the best oppurtunity to start a music career.
by Julio Nievas on Jan 13, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There is a joke in here somewhere
But I can’t find it right now.
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ummmmm
i go to school with gabe. one thing i can say for sure is that i’ve NEVER heard him sing.
The beloved creator of Sandwich music.
Especially since the USC band only plays one song… over…. and over …. and over… and over… and over … and over … well you get the point.
I still don't think that it can be as annoying as Oklahoma States mascot.
That creepy cowboy thing shoots this dumb gun, over and over and over, often in the most random times possible. Oregon just ran for 7 yards on first down, SHOOT THE DAMN GUN. AGHHHH
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Clownzano nails it on Kiffin
Bad hire? What in the world are you talking about? Lane Kiffin was the perfect hire. The University of Southern California athletic department couldn’t have done it better when it came to filling the job of head football coach.
Count me among the believers that Kiffin to USC is a wonderful thing…
For the rest of the Pacific-10 Conference, that is.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Oh man! Did you see what he did there? He had us going one direction, and then BOOM! Oh, Canzano, how do you ever think of these rhetorical devices?
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by jtlight on Jan 13, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
How this guy was AP sportswriter of the year I'll never know
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Unfortunately yes.
He brags about it all the time.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Yikes.
I think that tells you the state that journalism is in…especially sports journalism — which used to be about telling a story and relaying insider information — which has now devolved into contrarian journalism. It’s really sad because I always thought sports writers had some of the best material to write engagingly, memorable articles.
ESPN is both a blessing (instant news) and a curse (it really devalued the art of writing a good sports story).
Every city seems to hate their sports writers
Fuck Placshke
by Julio Nievas on Jan 13, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
But Canzano I have to say is worse
He really has it in for Oregon sports, to the point of which he can find the dark cloud in any big Oregon victory (like our blowouts of Cal and USC).
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
My favorite Clownzano quote:
When Kiffin accepted the USC job I called a beat reporter colleague who covered the coach when he was in Oakland.
The reporter said, “Might be the dumbest person ever put in charge of anything.”
Hahahaha, that is awesome. Thank you for not making me read that article to get the laugh.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I think the best part of this is...
ESPN keeps showing clips of Lane during a game and all they show are clips of him biting his lip while his daddy talks to the ref. I think it’s funny that there isn’t one clip where he isn’t being surrounded by his cronies doing his talking for him.
Also, I didn’t hear the part where Kiffin said he left the football program in better shape than when they got there…what an asshat.
New Rivals Top 100 is out...
And not surprising is the addition of Easley into the top 10 (after choosing Florida of course). I know recruiting isn’t an exact science, and that we should all take these rankings with a grain of salt…but I’m convinced that a players stars are sometimes determined by who they choose to play for. Would Easley have been bumped from a 4 to a 5 star had he chosen Oregon? Possibly, he was rapidly moving up the charts in the eyes of evaluators, but I still think it’s a curious thing.
Really, though, what’s the difference between a 4 star and a 5 star? I assume not a whole lot. Just something interesting that always catches my eye every recruiting season.
i know what this is without clicking on it
One of my favorite articles and a real eye opener for those who sing praises of recruiting services
by Brian Floyd on Jan 13, 2010 2:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You mean an eye opener for those who say the recruiting system is bad?
Maybe you should click on it.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
not bad
Just how they work. I can’t look from here but I think its the one saying its less based in their own scouting and more on NCAA coaches
by Brian Floyd on Jan 13, 2010 2:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
got it opened
I’ve got another nytimes article about recruiting services ill have to find too.
I’m not saying their bad either. Its all based on potential and can’t be an exact science. They make decisions on the data they have but can’t predict the future. Its more a best guess in my opinion on how a kid will turn out
by Brian Floyd on Jan 13, 2010 2:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’m pretty sure that no one is arguing that recruiting rankings are an exact science. In fact, I’m pretty sure that anyone that uses them would tell you precisely NOT to use them as exact science, but a general indicator of future success (which it is).
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yes and i agree
I think we were saying the same thing
by Brian Floyd on Jan 13, 2010 2:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Glad we cleared that up. I’m so used to telling off Beaver fans, it’s my first instinct in any recruiting conversation.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
You point out
Exactly why I hate the star system.
by Julio Nievas on Jan 13, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
i reference your tag for this
espn’s archives only go back to 2006. but i asked a couple friends and they confimed it
The beloved creator of Sandwich music.
Oh really? A couple of your friends said so? Everybody hold on, we finally got a real source!
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
i could post that photoshopped pic of russell crowe in gladiator wearing a lamichael james green and silver jersey
but i digress
The beloved creator of Sandwich music.
What on earth does that have to do with anything?
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I have a Ropert is God™ complex.
yeah, try using that in your term paper bibliography
My friends swear I was a five star…….
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Doesn’t matter… I couldn’t pass off that as a source for Show And Tell.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
Link or it didn't happen
Oh, RAT FARTS!!!!!
by Bill Musgrave on Jan 13, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
it means you've already been owned
stop digging the hole deeper
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
that woud have sufficed the first time :)
time to go watch king of the hill
The beloved creator of Sandwich music.
Patrick Chung was a 3 star as well.
It's spelled "T-H-E-I-M-P-A-C-T"
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Jonathan Stewart was a 5*, your argument is invalid.
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is that pic from middle school?
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
I remember seeing this pic in the register guard the offseason before the 2005 season, when everyone like, like, “wait, we got the top RB in the country?”
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
OT
but espn.com has owa’s list as oregon, oregon state, ucla and nebraska. in order.
The beloved creator of Sandwich music.
I never trust the "lists" of interest.
Ever since Easley boned us all over…Sigh
Who needs the pistol when you have the TaZeR? Kenjon Barner, the Ducks officially licensed tazer since 2009.
It was actually taken of him is pre school.
When he was just a weak little nerdy kid.
Who needs the pistol when you have the TaZeR? Kenjon Barner, the Ducks officially licensed tazer since 2009.
He had essentially zero football experience prior to Oregon. Most 4-5 star recruits have their visibility starting their sophomore-junior years.
1 star players are essentially an unknown athlete. 2 star players had only a couple people look at them, but they likely haven’t done much or had much opportunity to shine.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
If USC, Florida, Ohio State, LSU, Alabama all target a 2-star kid, that tells me that the recruiting service is way more out of whack than the other way around.
So, yes… a team recruiting a player does have an effect, but it hardly is only one team that influence the rankings.
Also, recruiting services have a decent history of showing 5-star/4-star players finding future success.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
If you look particularly at NFL players
Most of them were either 4 or 5 star recruits. Look at Ngata and Stewart, both 5-star guys who turned out great for Oregon and in the NFL.
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how many recruits do we and Or St get that are 4 and 5 stars? we seem to put quite a few players in the NFL.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Oregon State is the exception
That proves the rule honestly. Riley is a great finder of hidden talent.
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There it is.
I was waiting for the inevitable “Mike Riley. Oregon State. Stars don’t matter. Recruiting services suck.” conversation that takes place any time recruiting comes up.
by The VD Special on Jan 13, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
I am
Its a great compliment and tribute to what Mike Riley and staff have accomplished so far, but it also is the only thing they get credit for
by The VD Special on Jan 13, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
yes and no
There’s an SI article that reviews the top 100 from every year since 06. Its interesting to see how many pan out. Its definitely not a science
by Brian Floyd on Jan 13, 2010 2:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Link?
(I’ll have to check it later, work blocks SI.)
Doc Saturday actually shows the data and goes back further.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
ill post it when i get home
Its pretty in depth. Good stuff
by Brian Floyd on Jan 13, 2010 2:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It’s not perfect nor an exact science.
Anything where someone has to make a subjective choice can’t be.
Some kids have the physical talent, but they don’t go to the right school. Other kids just had better games, and they advertise themselves better than they really are (An heir of the “sometimes its better to be lucky than right” rule)
Heisman Winners (I don’t want to take the time to dig up the all-american list):
Ingram: 4-Star
Bradford: 3-Star
Tebow: 5-Star
Smith: 4-Star
Bush: 5-Star
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
Honestly (and I’ve seen some of the SI work on this topic) , that is a terrible way to look at it.
Everyone loves to point at the highly rated 5* kids that don’t work out. And that’s true. They don’t. But the fact is that the 5* kids have a much better shot at success that non lower rated, and it’s not even close.
It’s simply foolish to dismiss recruiting rankings simply because your team can’t perform in that area (I’m not saying you do that, but our furry friends from Corvallis get a hard-on by dissing them).
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
i dont dismiss it at all
I think its a best shot guess at potential given what is known about the kids on the field. Of course they don’t always pan out but a 4 or 5 is more likely than a 2 or even 3 to be a stud
by Brian Floyd on Jan 13, 2010 2:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You get a hard-on telling us they do matter and that Oregon State will never be anything until we get 5 stars.
by The VD Special on Jan 13, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
if bowl games don’t matter (which you state all the time), he already has
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
record during his tenure, NFL prospects. Bowl games seem to be the main difference in Oregon vs. Oregon State. Records during the Riley tenure are fairly comparable between the two over the long haul.
To me, the statement of “Oregon State will never be anything until we get 5 stars” has already been dismissed
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
I'm inclined to agree with Dom somewhat
Oregon State has done a lot with what they have (though its not fair to compare Oregon and OSU’s records unless you factor in SOS, of which Oregon’s OOC is significantly higher).
But they’ll never touch elite without better recruiting.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
How does this prove me wrong? He’s accomplished a lot.
I just don’t see OSU taking the next step (actual national attention, BCS berths) until they get more talent into the program.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
that may be true but they are still in the top third of the Pac-10 even with those 1-2 star recruits. They may need to upgrade their recruiting classes to get more depth to become “elite” but to claim that OS isn’t anything because of it is irresponsible
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
I took VD’s reference to “anything” to mean, a national player, top two in the Pac-10, as I believe we’ve had this discussion a million times, and I usually end it with something along the lines of “call me when Mike Riley makes the Holiday Bowl.”
They’ve obviously accomplished quite a bit.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Call me when he can get TO the Holiday Bowl.
Hey, that might be next year, since they’re taking the 3rd place Pac-10 team!
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
by jtlight on Jan 13, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
bowl games don’t matter remember? You can’t have it both ways. Either they matter and you can use the argument or they don’t and you can’t
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
Do I have to clarify again? Bowl game results, outside of a few key exceptions, make no difference.
That’s why I included the word to in my previous statement. Because which bowl game you get to matters, because it’s a reflection of the regular season.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
it really doesn’t because tie breakers come into play all the time. Bowls pick and choose, especially with the Vegas and Emerald swapping picks. This year, Oregon State got semi-screwed because they win the last game, they go to the top bowl. They lost and went to the near last place bowl.
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
OK, well, if you applied tiebreakers to the Pac-10 standings all the way down, OSU would have finished 3rd, yet again.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
The original statement by VD was this:
You get a hard-on telling us they do matter and that Oregon State will never be anything until we get 5 stars.
You said this
Still waiting for Riley to prove me wrong….
They were playing for the conference championship just this last season in the last week. Riley has proved you wrong. They were playing for the conference championship last year going into the last game (and still might have gotten it had USC lost to UCLA that weekend). Riley has proved you wrong.
3rd place in the Pac-10 is Oregon State being something. If you don’t see that, then you dismiss their success along with our own over the same period be
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
How many times do I have to tell you?
Kelly should NOT have gone for the field goal there!
Wait…I think I’m doing this wrong.
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This comment is overrated
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
On the last game, yes, but Oregon State really didn’t compete for the conference championship last year. They did not control their own destiny until the Civil War.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
not true. Oregon State controlled their destiny starting on October 18th when Stanford lost to UCLA giving them two conference losses
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
http://espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=24&year=2008
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
Sorry if I misread that
I thought last year was referring to 2009, since we’re in 2010 now and the season is over.
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to clear it up, my contention is that he’s been in line for the conference championship the last two years. It may have been a closer shave last year but 2008 was also there for him. The bottom line is that his team was there at the end when it mattered.
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
OSU gets a huge advantage after the fact by facing Oregon last, so they can say they were in it til the end.
Mike Stoops in 2009 was a hell of a lot closer to reaching the Rose Bowl than Mike Riley has ever been.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Except of course, in 2008
Right? I don’t get how he was so much closer than Riley was in ’08….
by The VD Special on Jan 13, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
In the biggest game of the season for Stoops, where the Rose Bowl was essentially on the line, he took the Ducks to 2OT.
Riley lost by 4 scores.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
The bottom line is that his team was there at the end when it mattered.
Not exactly… It was a “close but no cigar” in 2008. Losing the opener to Stanford hurt him a lot, and getting destroyed by Oregon (On the most important game of his collegiate coaching career) wasn’t exactly championship level.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
Not exactly… It was a "close but no cigar" in 2008. Losing the opener to Stanford hurt him a lot, and getting destroyed by Oregon
They were there in the last game with the opportunity on the line
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
Indeed. Not to take away from that fact, but they definitely did not play like they had the opportunity on the line.
I wasn’t arguing against their accomplishments in 2008 – However, to compete consistently in the Pac-10, Riley needs to bring in better talent. His selective, under the radar recruiting will only take him so far.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
Yes, they were playing for the conference championship, in the last week. I’m sorry, but I’m going to discount this a little since one of their hardest games of the season was in the last week. If Arizona or USC had beaten Oregon, they’d have won the Pac-10 title. So when the loss happens (when that’s just how the schedule falls) doesn’t mean a whole lot to me.
At the end of the day, Mike Riley has never finished better than 3rd in the conference. He’s been oh so close, but he just doesn’t have the depth or talent to get it done at the end of the day. And that’s a function of recruiting, and overall talent level in the program.
So, if by “anything” in VD’s comment, you take it to mean, “top two in the Pac-10,” well, no Mike Riley hasn’t proven me wrong. And that’s been my points for the past 3 years.
OSU has obviously been very successful, but I think they’ve hit their ceiling until they start recruiting better.
3rd place in the Pac-10 is Oregon State being something. If you don’t see that, then you dismiss their success along with our own over the same period be
I don’t dismiss anything of the sort. OSU has been FAR more consistent than Oregon over the past decade. But Oregon has also had much higher highs. Riley has done an outstanding job
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
So, if by "anything" in VD’s comment, you take it to mean, "top two in the Pac-10," well, no Mike Riley hasn’t proven me wrong. And that’s been my points for the past 3 years.
Nothing I can say to this if that’s the metric you go by. I find it interesting that your interpretation just so happens to be just above the point OSU has been under Riley’s tenure.
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
I’ve been saying this since before the 2008 season. OSU had some good seasons, and I said that for me to take them seriously as a conference player, they had to do better than get to the Sun Bowl. They still haven’t done that, and overall talent in the program is to blame for that, IMO.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Also, I will note that I have a lot more respect for Riley now than I did before 2008. He’s at least competing for Pac-10 titles now. But he still hasn’t ended up in the top 2 in conference. And I blame the talent level in the program.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Okay okay, here is the obligatory blame meme.
I blame the spread offense.
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Rivals
said the new rankings weighed heavily on the all american games… How can you completely scout a player on one game???
by Julio Nievas on Jan 13, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
the kid going to Dartmouth should be a 6* then.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Because that is some of the only real competition these kids have seen their entire career. The coaches and scouts have a week to see how these kids look compared to their peers.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
small sample size
Never a good idea in any sport
by Brian Floyd on Jan 13, 2010 2:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Playing with the kids and then playing Dominion with my wife and a couple friends.
I know, I know, my priorities are way off. I apologize. It won’t happen again.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
please make sure
its no fun having massively overblown arguments without you here :)
The beloved creator of Sandwich music.
That's sweet of you to say
I actually read through most of the Kiffin thread, but other than Tako’s O-VER-RA-TED chant (which I couldn’t help but support), I felt the most important stuff had already been said by the rest of you brilliant folks:
1) Kiffin’s a giant douche
2) But a good recruiter
3) Still, he’s a douche
4) But he’s also got some pretty good assistant coaches coming with…
5) DUDE!!! HE’S A DOUCHE!!
6) Right.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Good call. Kiffin’s a total douche.
My opinion, though, is that Kiffin and Orgeron are good enough recruiters to keep the talent flowing, and the assistant coaches are good enough that the talent will be put to good use. However, all of that is moot, because…(everyone say it with me):
Kiffin’s a douche!
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I really hope he's still the coach in two years
so when he comes to autzen for the first time i can start a “You-are-a-douche” clap-clap-clapclapclap chant.
The beloved creator of Sandwich music.
Boy, you just got rolled up.
Who needs the pistol when you have the TaZeR? Kenjon Barner, the Ducks officially licensed tazer since 2009.
dude just cause i go to south eugene high school
….wait this isn’t helping my argument.
The beloved creator of Sandwich music.
We just got a hold of it last week, and yes, it is awesome. We’ve tried a couple of the pre-set games so far, but I think next time we might try to go random and see how it works.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
We like to do the Random thing
But beware: you need to make sure that there is at least one group with extra actions, buys, or money otherwise the game will be really bogged down. So we do a random draw, and then figure out if we are deficient in a category and and either draft a replacement or role a 10 sided die to determine which category to replace.
Mmmm, Dominion
The soul of New Orleans... Go Ducks, Geaux Tigers, Go Braves, Go Hornets, and most of all WHO DAT! I BELIEVE!
If your fanbase doesn't do songs like this, maybe you need a new fanbase.
by AllSaintsDay on Jan 13, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
Just for that, I'm giving you a curse.
The soul of New Orleans... Go Ducks, Geaux Tigers, Go Braves, Go Hornets, and most of all WHO DAT! I BELIEVE!
If your fanbase doesn't do songs like this, maybe you need a new fanbase.
by AllSaintsDay on Jan 13, 2010 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
Witch is bad, but Sea Hag...
Each other player discards the top card of his deck, then gains a Curse card, putting it on top of his deck.
The soul of New Orleans... Go Ducks, Geaux Tigers, Go Braves, Go Hornets, and most of all WHO DAT! I BELIEVE!
If your fanbase doesn't do songs like this, maybe you need a new fanbase.
by AllSaintsDay on Jan 14, 2010 7:06 AM PST up reply actions
Last I heard
It was still USC, Oregon, Oregon State and UCLA.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
NE’s pipeline from NE Portland is getting annoying.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Suh was his host for the Nebraska visit.
So yes he has.
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Tennesse is getting hammered
They’ve lost five top recruits in the last 24 hours, none to USC as of yet though (and none list USC as in the running).
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Bruce Feldman mentioned today that Hamilton (Tenn AD) told him the kids that were on campus for the 1st day of school technically already committed. so technically, they’d have to sit a year to transfer. wouldn’t be surprised if that was true or if the AD just made it up.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
im not sure its true
If there’s no LOI then they are simple students t the school and not bound to it. I’m not sure though
by Brian Floyd on Jan 13, 2010 2:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
From what I heard, Orgeron was telling the kids not to go to class, because if they went to class, they were bound to Tennessee.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Tom Luginbill
if you enroll as a full time student (12 hrs) it starts your “eligibility clock”. he also said if you don’t show up for class then it’s a gray area. which solves nothing.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
I don’t believe that Orgeron would lie to a player like that. What type of world are we living in?
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
seriously...
how does a student afford to move across country w/i days? i still dont know how every pays to go to 10 camps over the summer.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
We said this last night
But I’m sure Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo, Rodney Guilliroy, or Matt Leinart’s dad could lend a helping hand.
I’m pretty sure you are officially committed (in the truest sense) when you enroll. Most of the kids haven’t finished high school yet – unless they enrolled early.
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
Apparently (according to ESPN)
It doesn’t count until you actually ATTEND a class, whether you are enrolled or not.
And since alot of them don't take attendance
Say it with me “No, I didn’t go to class”.
Also, classes started today, so anyone who didn’t show up….I’d be worried about
Kiffin at USC.
Kiffin was the recruiting coordinator for three years at USC during their heyday, and they had the best recruiting class in the nation all three years. He was also the offensive coordinator the year they broke a ton of offensive records and he had a higher winning percentage while calling the plays than Norm Chow did.
Not that I want him to repeat those numbers, but it seems foolish to disregard the part he played at USC during their best years.
Paying players and giving them houses certainly helps...
I’m speculating of course, but I think Kiffin was probably one of the dirtiest recruiters during that era.
OT
Stephen Paea returning to OS for senior year. Via ESPN.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Smart decision
The strength of the defensive line in this year’s class is ridiculous, especially at DT. Paea is good, no doubt about it, but he would have fallen into 2-3 round territory. With another solid year, this all but assures him of going 1st round.
by The VD Special on Jan 13, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Anybody else notice how much Tiffen looks like the guy in the Taco Bell ad who wants to place hiis order with 'Denise'
to get the 5 layer burrito?
"We'll go."
I had this friend who was a dead ringer for Jim Mora Jr.
I would get drunk and freak out.
by My Name is Bryce on Jan 13, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
ok we've got another drunk here
how come AA hasn’t found this blog yet?
The beloved creator of Sandwich music.
They probably have, but they’re too understaffed to be able to deal with this volume of alcoholics.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Coors?
From my understanding, no reference of cheap poor kid pisswater beer is allowed on ATQ.
Who needs the pistol when you have the TaZeR? Kenjon Barner, the Ducks officially licensed tazer since 2009.
Yes Mr. Barker.
My pets are in fact neutered.
Who needs the pistol when you have the TaZeR? Kenjon Barner, the Ducks officially licensed tazer since 2009.
Ssssshhhh!
How the hell did you find out?
Be cool and don’t go around telling everyone, okay?
Who needs the pistol when you have the TaZeR? Kenjon Barner, the Ducks officially licensed tazer since 2009.
Can you try this out?
S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S
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by CaDuck on Jan 13, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This was funny… But I just couldn’t make it work out. The winner is CaDuck.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
And the winner
in the what lame ass nickname will BN give Lane Kiffin contest…….
cute.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
So, Since Lane is officially a Kitten...
You are saying that Bob Barker wants Lane Kiffin neutered?
I have no objection.
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maybe Bob Barker should go back in time and neuter monte
then we wouldn’t even have this discussion!
The beloved creator of Sandwich music.
Hah! They still have to compete against “Skip Belly”!
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
Still an all time classic!
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Seriously.
When it comes to gametime however, I doubt it.
Who needs the pistol when you have the TaZeR? Kenjon Barner, the Ducks officially licensed tazer since 2009.
Here's my take on Hamm's vs. PBR
If you are really in to cheap beer, you drink Hamms.
If you a band-wagon 20-something trying to look cool, you drink PBR.
Sorry if I offended the 14 original drinkers of PBR, you know, before it got cool.
(ps why are Hamms Special Light and Hamms Golden Draft so hard to find?)
(pps besides in Bi-Mart)
by My Name is Bryce on Jan 13, 2010 4:48 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Consider me offended. I drink PBR for the taste, not for the style.
It's spelled "T-H-E-I-M-P-A-C-T"
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
No I have not. I’m having trouble seeing your idea, send me a paragraph or two and we’ll talk.
It's spelled "T-H-E-I-M-P-A-C-T"
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
If there's one thing I've learned here
Drink your beer in peace, have a good time with whatever you think is good, but for the love of Juju, DON’T MESS WITH PBR.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
All I sayin is that I can get Hamms for $3.89 for a six pack of tallies
I think PBR is like $4.19
I need those 30 cents
by My Name is Bryce on Jan 13, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
To be honest,
When it comes down to dirt cheap beer, might as well go as cheap as possible I suppose.
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Yeah its weird. its kind of a science.
Sometimes PBR is as cheap as Hamms, sometimes its Bucsh light. One time I bought a trunk load of Koakanee because it was a Grocery Outlet special.
by My Name is Bryce on Jan 13, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
My 80-yr-old demented landlady when I lived in Eugene
used to send us up to the IGA for a six-pack of Hamm’s tallboys and a gallon of strawberry ice cream every Friday.
Needless to say, I’m naming the brewery I start when I retire after her.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jan 13, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
And I should care because....
Kiffin has some direct effect/influence/terrible impact on Oregon? Ok, some have said
this hire works out good for us, I see that. I’ve also read scumbag, asshole, douche, and obviously
to vol fans, not the most dependable of god’s creatures. All right, so he probably pulls
the wings off of butterflies or something in his spare time.
Lane Kiffin didn’t come to oregon, nor is he connected to oregon football in any way.
I think this horse is flogged enough.
you should care because of USC’s perception nationally and where we are trying to get to as a program. You should also care because of the impact on recruiting. There is uncertainty surrounding two big opponents for Oregon next year (Tennessee and USC) and anything that weakens them betters our chances since we will be playing both of them in their house.
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
Sure he’s connected to Oregon football: his shady-at-best recruiting tactics are going to more directly affect us, since we tend to battle USC for more recruits than Tennessee, plus we get to see him every year (until he gets fired) instead of just the home-and-home with the Vols.
It's spelled "T-H-E-I-M-P-A-C-T"
I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Addicted to Quack , the home of Tako Tuesdays
Frankly,
I think discussion of Kiffin comprises about 25% of the thread. The rest is about OSU, some card game and beer.
Support votes, in decending order of emphasis:
1. Beer
2. OSU in non UO related situations
3. Card games
4. Laney
Oh, RAT FARTS!!!!!
by Bill Musgrave on Jan 13, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
You only have card games below OSU because you’ve never played Dominion.
The soul of New Orleans... Go Ducks, Geaux Tigers, Go Braves, Go Hornets, and most of all WHO DAT! I BELIEVE!
If your fanbase doesn't do songs like this, maybe you need a new fanbase.
by AllSaintsDay on Jan 13, 2010 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
It was a tossup, I have little passion for either.
I apologize for the confusion, let’s try this:
Beer – America, FUCK YEAH.
OSU – I’m not drinking any fucking merlot.
Card Games – How do you like them apples?
Laney – I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
Hopefully that clears things up, very important.
Oh, RAT FARTS!!!!!
by Bill Musgrave on Jan 14, 2010 5:39 AM PST up reply actions
You should simply learn the craft by doing.
Oh, RAT FARTS!!!!!
by Bill Musgrave on Jan 14, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
So our recruiting program is now going into a disasterous tailspin?
Don’t understand the uncertainty comment, because if what you say is true,
where’s the downside?
Hey, we’re always battling USC for recruits. Would that really change a whole
lot if it were anyone else but kiffin?
I’m not going to lose any sleep over the guy. And I think we’ll be able to beat
both these teams next year!
I don’t think anyone has claimed it was going into a tailspin. If anything, the popular consensus is that it will actually HELP recruiting, especially for this upcoming class. The uncertainty comment make references to coaching staffs in flux that again, should HELP us.
Just because there aren’t obvious downsides doesn’t mean you should care. You should care because of the positive developments
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
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