I Can’t Take it Anymore, Ernie Kent
Poor shooting, poor defense, poor screens, poor rolls, poor just about everything. And you know what the worst part is? I’m not even the least bit surprised.
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Insert angry dviera rebuttal here.
On this, oakland, I agree, and have thought so since the 90’s.
Why wasn’t Amistad handling the ball tonight?
"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."-Pablo Picasso
at this point, it doesn’t matter what I say. Ernie’s job comes down to the guys making open shots and sometimes they just can’t. The team is better without TP in the line up.
My only wish…my ONLY WISH is that people who don’t like Ernie and want him fired stop saying it and stop caring about the Ducks until it happens. I’m just tired of when we lose, it’s Ernie’s fault but when we win, it’s despite Ernie. It is boring to read all the same crap every time, people who look at a box score of one or two games and craft up the same arguments they said the last time we went on a losing streak. It’s nothing new, nothing is added.
Coming into the Pac-10, best case scenario we were looking at 3-2. Right now, we are 2-2. We lose a 2 in a row, all the fire Ernie Kent folks come out. When we beat UW and Wazzu, people were wondering if we were going to the tournament. Duck basketball fans like that are fickle.
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
That’s cool, if it’s get too annoying, there are ways to take care of it
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
My $.02
It’s not that people are wrong (about firing Kent) it’s that there are so many of them that it gets annoying. I may or may not agree with the sentiment (even though I also know I have absolutely no control over it) but it’s not like every single thing I ever thought about firing Kent hasn’t already been said around here about 85 times.
And then, once a game thread starts, it’s almost a count down until the first “Fire Kent” comment… and the 15 I agree blah blah blah that inevitably follows.
We get it. You don’t want Ernie Kent to coach the Ducks (when they lose I might add). Does anyone really think that when they come on here and say “Ernie Kent should be fired” that a single person is sitting at home with the game on and the thread open and goes “Oh my god, I never thought of that. Hell YES! Why haven’t we talked about this already?” No. It just invites the hoards of arm chair AD’s to post their thoughts.
My feeling is, if you think you have something original to say about WHY Kent should be fired, then make a fanpost and wait for your recs. If you’re just waiting for the bandwagon to come by so you can jump on and feel part of the crowd, then leave the game threads to people watching the game and discussing what is ACTUALLY happening in the game (coaching and game play alike).
-End Rant
I call him Malcolm Arm-stud!
Addicted to Quack
Well, I generally agree it's all boring and I'm just waiting for it all to end so we can have a new start.
Mostly, I was just trying to throw oakland a bone about something I agree with him on. “Hey man, welcome back, hope you’re enjoying your new asshole” sort of thing. You write some good stuff oakland, stick with the non-Canzano-y angle. I’ll try to as well.
Was also just being a smart ass so I’m sorry to rile this up, I agree, the repetition is unecessary.
Oh, looking back it appears I was a smart ass in the first paragraph as well, dang it, sorry.
I’ll skip the tired arguments about why Ernie needs to go and say only this:
The criticisms come from a real place, real issues. Many of us have been calmly, rationally, logically forming an opinion exactly because we care and because we watch games, not because we read box scores and blow with the wind. Personally, my opinion has been unchanged for over a decade, through our two great seasons, multiple mediocre seasons, and several bad seasons. If you call every criticism a band waggon opinion without basis, you are certainly as guilty of underanalysis as those you dismiss.
-end Ernie rant #6753, as much as emotinoally possible, until Dean Smith comes out of retirement to replace him.
"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."-Pablo Picasso
by Bill Musgrave on Jan 14, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
You know, the health scare/bleeding ulcer says to me,
“Ernie ain’t so happy either.”
The ‘fit’ doesn’t seem right any more. And, let’s face it, one more health scare…………? Fill in the blank.
Let’s get Luke Jackson back from Italy and have HIM coach out the year. Never can tell. It would probably be fun. I’d go just to see Luke watch warmups! Or call a time out. Give a 5 word interview.
Ernie needs to be in the hospital. He’s done the best he could do. He needs the rest. Doncha think?
"We'll go."
My take
I don’t really care one way or the other about Ernie Kent. I’m an admitted bandwagon UO basketball fan. I always root for them to win, but I don’t follow them all that closely unless they are winning. In my defense, most of that is because I can’t see any of their games down here in SoCal, but I digress.
I have to ask you, Dom, what would be more annoying? People who blame losses on Ernie and then credit wins to the team in spite of him? Or people who blame losses on Ernie and then sing his praises when the team wins? To me, the latter would be MUCH more annoying. Either Ernie is a good coach or he’s not, don’t change your mind from game to game. Sure, he’s allowed to have moments where he performs well and gets the team ready to play, and those moments should be recognized as such, but the bottom line is: he should be coach of the Ducks or he shouldn’t. Looking at his track record, those who say he shouldn’t have a very valid viewpoint. Despite seemingly great recruiting results, the on-court results have been sporadic, at best. Maybe you have a point that those people should give more credit when Ernie gets his team adequately prepped for a game. But I don’t think you can flat say that these people are wrong. Further, I don’t think you can ask people to stop paying attention to the Ducks just because they don’t like the coach. They like the school or the team, so they pay attention. And it’s for that very reason they are frustrated with the coaching. It’s unfair to simply ask people to stop caring about the team they love and want to succeed.
My other point is that this is a Ducks blog. It has a function whereby people can share their opinions about UO sports and have discussions about those opinions. Given the poor showings of the basketball team the last couple of seasons, combined with very inconsistent results in the preceding seasons, it stands to reason that quite a few people are going to have negative opinions about Ernie Kent. And this is a great place to discuss those opinions. I’m not sure I agree that censoring them is the right move. Call for civil, informed discussions, but please don’t start shushing people because they loudly and repeatedly disagree with you. That would make this a worse place to hang out, in my opinion.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
by Gorbachav5 on Jan 15, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I realize after reading my rambling response that it sounds like I accuse you of calling these people wrong, which I have never seen you do. I know you disagree with the “Fire Ernie” sentiment, but you’ve never told them they were flat wrong for having that opinion. My point was to connect the dots: IF you can’t say that this viewpoint is 100% wrong because it is based on lies and misinterpreted data, then the viewpoint has some validity. And IF the viewpoint has validity, it shouldn’t be censored, unless it’s expressed in an overly profane, insulting, or disruptive manner.
Okay, I’m done now. Thanks for your time.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I think you make some good points Gorb. I think the opinions/concerns about Ernie are all valid. The issue I take with the track people take is that the “Fire Ernie” crowd tends to disappear during wins but roars with a vengeance when we lose. The arguments have been exhausted and with the situation being so polarizing, it really does no good, on both sides of the argument, to repeat ad nauseum that Ernie should be fired or Ernie should be kept. If someone has a good take on it, great. Fanpost it up, create a story, etc. That’s what it’s there for.
Specifically in game threads, it’s disruptive to the flow because a simple “Ernie should be fired!” post adds nothing to the conversation at that point. I’m much more interested in solutions and a simple “Fire Ernie!” isn’t a solution. It’s an emotional reaction to a bad outcome. I am much more interested in hearing about what needs to change. If people want a different style offense? Great, talk about that. If people think we should be recruiting different types of players, also great. The knee jerk reaction of “We lost! Fire Ernie!” is distracting from game threads and other posts as well.
I have to ask you, Dom, what would be more annoying? People who blame losses on Ernie and then credit wins to the team in spite of him? Or people who blame losses on Ernie and then sing his praises when the team wins? To me, the latter would be MUCH more annoying.
To me, it’s the first one. I think you have to give credit when it’s due, be it players or the coaching staff. If Ernie has a bad game coaching, then he should be called on it. If the players don’t perform well despite a good coaching job, the players need to be called on it. Ernie (and staff) + the players = the team. Sometimes the team does an equally poor job, sometimes its split and sometimes it’s all around good. I have an issue when people say look at the box score and say ‘we lost, it was Ernie’s fault. Fire him" when it may very well had nothing to do with him. Good coaches lose, and bad coaches can win.
I’m not sure I agree that censoring them is the right move. Call for civil, informed discussions, but please don’t start shushing people because they loudly and repeatedly disagree with you. That would make this a worse place to hang out, in my opinion.
If it’s disruptive and adds nothing to the conversation, it really is the same thing as trolling. If people have an intelligent take, then that’s great. Just saying “fire ernie” over and over in a game thread or otherwise is not a take.
Given the poor showings of the basketball team the last couple of seasons, combined with very inconsistent results in the preceding seasons, it stands to reason that quite a few people are going to have negative opinions about Ernie Kent.
I think this is a valid point and folks can express their opinion all the want but not backing things up and reading a litany of “fire ernie just because!” posts doesn’t add anything to the conversation and is out of place in game threads.
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
Thanks for the great response. I understand where you’re coming from and agree that people who pollute threads with a simple “Ernie’s terrible, fire him!” aren’t really contributing to an intelligent discussion.
I guess I just don’t mind that people give a voice to their frustrations. That’s what ATQ is for, to some extent. And game threads, especially, aren’t conducive to long, well-constructed arguments. People throw in their brief sentiment and go about their business. Once you start taking that away, where do you stop? Do you tell people to stop saying that Tajuan Porter is shooting poorly and can’t play defense? Do you tell people to stop reiterating that our third down pass defense is porous? Where does the line get drawn between what is acceptable in game threads and what is a disruptive, unwelcome outburst?
As far as the overall debate, some people are making cogent arguments one way or the other, which are interesting. And some are just expressing their displeasure, albeit slightly more often than is strictly necessary. I’m okay with that. I haven’t found myself turned off by any excessive rabble rousing.
Except of course, whenever Matt Daddy posts. That guy never makes any coherent points, it’s just “Blah blah defense, blah blah blah Cliff Harris’s muscles, blah blah red wine.”
At the end of the day, you’re the boss, and people will keep coming here to interact because you guys facilitate a great community. In my opinon, there hasn’t been anything that I’ve seen yet to make me think otherwise of the community, so I’m cool with just letting things go.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
This may be implied, but I realize this is just my opinion. If other people are bothered by that stuff, then I understand removing it.
Your humble (objective) servant,
Gorby
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Wait the guy who speaks in Elven on this site is saying I don’t make coherent points?
Quick let me go consult my dungeon master to see if my Ral Partha decipher script can defeat the stunning fist feat of the arcane spellcaster.
I call him Malcolm Arm-stud!
Addicted to Quack
Quick let me go consult my dungeon master to see if my Ral Partha decipher script can defeat the stunning fist feat of the arcane spellcaster.
I didn’t this was possible but you just out-nerded me
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
I wish I could take credit for that, but I honestly don’t what it even means, I just copied it off of wikipedia.
So technically wikipedia just out nerded you.
I call him Malcolm Arm-stud!
Addicted to Quack
I’m not sure how “decipher script” (which sounds like some random skill) is going to aid at all in defense against stunning fist. If you are playing version 3.0 or 3.5, you’re going to need some kind of arcane magic resistance. If you’re playing version 4.0 (which I doubt, since stunning fist is not an available feat for mages, sorcerors, or warlocks), you’re going to need a robust reflex or fortitude saving bonus, depending on which aspect is targeted by the aforementioned feat.
So sayeth Zorab the Invoker, instrument of Berronar
(Yes, I play D&D – try not to act too surprised)
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I’m sorry, I only know draconic and dwarven, and both of those languages are unable to be represented by the English alphabet.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I give up. Your nerddom is irrefutable, but you still don’t make coherent points.
I call him Malcolm Arm-stud!
Addicted to Quack
People throw in their brief sentiment and go about their business. Once you start taking that away, where do you stop? Do you tell people to stop saying that Tajuan Porter is shooting poorly and can’t play defense? Do you tell people to stop reiterating that our third down pass defense is porous? Where does the line get drawn between what is acceptable in game threads and what is a disruptive, unwelcome outburst?
This is a great question. For me, the line is based on many times something off topic is being said. Game threads are about the game, they aren’t to say “Fire Ernie” throughout the game. If someone wants to make a fanpost that details why Ernie should be fired, that’s great. If it’s good, it might even get bumped to the front page. In fact, I would LOVE to see some great takes on that as we go through the basketball season. At some point though, enough is enough. Repeating it over and over in game threads doesn’t add anything.
If there is a game going on and TP bricks a 3 point shot from half court and someone says “Ernie should be fired!”, it’s offtopic and doesn’t add anything to the current game.
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
I thought I saw an eye doctor on an Alaskan island, but it turned out to be an optical Aleutian.
"We'll go."
by DONALDUCK on Jan 15, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1 for you!
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
Come on,
Let him coach through the season to see if he can make this team progress. If the team does not progress anywhere, then we do in fact need to start looking elsewhere.
But please, Give him the rest of the season.
Who needs the pistol when you have the TaZeR? Kenjon Barner, the Ducks officially licensed tazer since 2009.
My only gripe is that our inbounds play involves one player running towards the wing and no other movement, and that’s the one we run the most. Glasser picked one off in the 2nd half because it’s ridiculously easy to see what is going on.
It's spelled "T-H-E-I-M-P-A-C-T"
I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
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indeed we do need something of a play to get the ball in 99% of the time
The beloved creator of Sandwich music.
indeed we do needsomething ofa playto get the ball in 99% of the time
Fixed.
It's spelled "T-H-E-I-M-P-A-C-T"
I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Addicted to Quack, the home of Tako Tuesdays
I listened to the Duck Women's game last night. ASU went on a 16-2 run and had the game IN HAND.
With less than a minute to go, the Ducks had closed to within two points, losing at the end by 5. They had 25 turnovers. Shot poorly. And I listened. Would’ve watched if I could’ve. My point is this: Losing is NOT the issue for me. The Duck MEN are NOT having fun, that’s the issue. They signed up to have fun. I hold the coach responsible. An extreme stance on my part, I admit but, I’m sticking with it. Bullshit is bullshit.
The women lost , the game was great. The men lost and I was ashamed. Sad. If I gotta put up with that kind of coaching, that really challenges my fan-hood. And, I salute the people who come on AtQ and ‘bitch’ and/or bitch someplace else. It tends to lessen the suicidal thoughts, methinks.
"We'll go."
Okay. I had a fucking brainstorm today. Those things scare the shit outta me (which iz just what I needed.)
Anyhow, try this on for size. I know nobody’s going to like it but the good part for me is that many will tell me why it’s a fucked up idea (which I really don’t see right now)
- Ernie retires.
- The Oregon women’s BB coach switches and becomes the Duck mens coach.
- The Ducks hire the LCC women’s BB coach to coach the Duck women.
Okay. That’s it.
"We'll go."
Here's a better idea.
EK and Westhead swap jobs.
Then maybe Ernie will begin to understand that yelling at kids all the time isn’t the best way to get them to listen.
those who do not remember history should read my blog...
I think if he gets fired...well, that's a way to learn that too......
and his bleeding ulcer isn’t going to get better until he gets some sustained rest. And, I definitely agree with your idea.
"We'll go."
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