Why Oregon Fans and Media Should Take The Blame For The Rose Bowl Loss
Oregon's loss in the Rose Bowl just got complicated.
It’s taken a while for me to write anything this week.
It’s part shock, part anger, and a whole lot of mourning. I needed time to complete the five stages of grief, regroup, collect my thoughts and write something more meaningful than a "Chip Kelly effed up that fourth down call" rant.
This was such a great season and it so see it go down this way was more crushing than watching the season finale of "Friends" in 2004 or seeing someone about to get hit by a car knowing you can do nothing to save them.
After spending the last few days figuring out the good, the bad and the ugly (mostly ugly) that happened on New Year’s Day, I have come up with an explanation for why so many Duck fans had such a rocky start to 2010.
And it has absolutely nothing to do with anything on the field.
Here goes.
Winning is a tradition. And unfortunately, traditions don’t hatch over night.
Oregon fans have only recently gotten a taste of winning. In fact, most lifetime fans have suffered through far more losing seasons that winning years, as evidenced by the number of Rose Bowl appearances (5) and wins (1) in the program’s history.
At this stage, winning is sort of a novelty for Duck fans the media. It’s new, it’s fun, trendy even, but it’s not expected.
Look at Ohio State. Every single year, the Buckeye media and fans come into the season expecting no less than a Rose Bowl win. They demand excellence.
The goal for a program is always to exceed expectations. Setting the bar at making the Rose Bowl is one thing, but for Ohio State, getting there is not enough. They expect to win.
You can call them spoiled, sure, but they put pressure on the team to deliver. And for the most part, they do. No team wants to deal with an unhappy fan base or media telling them what they did wrong, especially one that can fill a 110,000 seat stadium and connect with ears all over the country.
Their coaches, players, fans, writers and recruits all expect to win every play, every game, every season. It’s contagious.
Why do teams fire coaches? Because they lose the trust of the players and in return, they stop expecting to win. Mindset is half the battle.
Ohio State’s tradition of winning is over a century long, with 33 Big Ten and seven national championships to prove it.
In fact, their tradition is so strong that fans started an uproar when Ohio State introduced a slightly modified jersey in 2006.
Oregon on the other hand, is all about the now. The Ducks are cutting edge in just about everything: the newest uniforms, offense, locker rooms, training facilities, the list goes on.
There’s not much history or tradition (aside from The Pick) outside of the past 15 seasons, at least that Oregon fans want to remember.
And like the new uniforms, success isn’t something the fans and media can get tired of like a pair of week-old Nike cleats.
After we (yes, I feel like am a part of Oregon football) lost last Friday, you have no idea how many times I heard "Well, it was just fun being here."
That attitude, more so than talent, preparation or coaching, is the biggest reason why we still don’t have a Rose Bowl victory since 1917.
Duck fans were more interested in tailgating in sunny, palm tree-speckled Pasadena, basking in the experience and taking pictures of the beautiful, overlooking San Gabriel Mountains, than trying to destroy their vocal cords by the second quarter per usual.
Columnists were busy readying their stories about what a great season it had been and how it be just oh so nice to finish the year off with a win.
Just like most teams who screw up in big games because they change their style of play, we as fans should take the blame for change our style in the Granddaddy of Them All.
"Win the Day," isn’t that Chip Kelly’s mantra? It felt more like, win the season and whatever happens next happens.
January 1st had to be the quietest (aside from at Stanford) Oregon game that I have ever been to.
But this is ok. I can’t expect us to get it right away. Like Aristotle said, we learn by doing.
Now that we have been on the big stage, the crucial transformation is learning from our mistakes. This experience needs to teach us what to expect and how to act for next year, when we’re right back in the Rose Bowl.
We need to build a winning tradition, one where "just being there" isn’t enough. And this takes time. It needs to be instilled from birth (for fans) and letter of intent (for players), read everyday in the newspaper and seen everyday on tv.
If Oregon wants to take the next step in terms of national prestige, fans and media will have to act like we belong with the traditional powers like Ohio State, Florida and Notre Dame.
The reason these powers have been able to maintain excellence is because the fans, the media, the players and coaches are very critical of themselves and involved in how to make improvements. And those teams listen.
If Ohio State had lost last week, the media and fans alike would be calling for Jim Tressel’s head. Yeah, he’s done a great job for the program, but that doesn’t mean anything unless you win it all.
The powerhouse programs are victims of their own success, but that is a positive. It shows they care.
As it stands right now, Oregon is just the little engine that could, waiting for its chance to finally join the popular group.
We as fans and the media need to start treating the team like grown men and not just kids who need to hear repeated encouragement.
"Nice try, sport, you’ll get ‘em next time" only goes so far.
After a Rose Bowl loss like this one, we can’t pat ourselves on the back and say it was a good try, we need to find the reasons why Oregon lost and improve immediately.
It’s up to us for Oregon to get there. We need to demand excellence, and if they know what’s best for themselves, they’ll listen.
It starts now.
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Tradition?
Commitment to excellence?
Where have I heard that before?!?
I’m assuming that you’re a Raiders fan based on the handle you’ve chosen, and if that’s the case, I’ve got a nice place for you to shove all that tradition and grasps at that which was great but is no longer!
Ducks stackin' wins like Leggos, toastin Pac-10 like the Eggos, like we're racin' against some preggos, Dan Patrick we enfuego.
Excellence
I’ve thought about this quite a bit this week. I was at the game. I spent $1500+ on the trip. I was disappointed with the loss, but in the grand scheme of things the more I think about it the less it matters. Does anyone care right now that Alabama got destroyed by Utah in a BCS game last year? I think not.
When I go to Autzen next year, I’ll see another Pac 10 Champions sign on the wall separating the field from the fans. There is no “Rose Bowl Champions” sign that would have been hung. Without looking, who lost the Orange bowl 3 years ago? Who lost the Sugar bowl 4 years ago?
My point is, it would have been awesome if we had won the Rose Bowl. But losing it doesn’t mean that the season was somehow all for nothing. Compared to preseason expectations, where most thought we’d finish 3rd, maybe 2nd, a Pac 10 Championship by a full 2 games is outstanding.
Ducks - 2009 Pac 10 Champs
Chargers - 2009 AFC West Champs
Things could be much worse, I could be a fuskies & Broncos fan.
Also, in regards to the fans being loud…I was right behind the OSU bench. The loudest the crowd ever got was when the Oregon fans were getting loud when we were on defense. It was sustained necessarily like it is at Autzen, but the Duck fans were louder than the OSU fans IMO.
Ducks - 2009 Pac 10 Champs
Chargers - 2009 AFC West Champs
Things could be much worse, I could be a fuskies & Broncos fan.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Jan 7, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Huh?
If Oregon wants to take the next step in terms of national prestige, fans and media will have to act like we belong with the traditional powers like Ohio State, Florida and Notre Dame.
The reason these powers have been able to maintain excellence is because the fans, the media, the players and coaches are very critical of themselves and involved in how to make improvements. And those teams listen.
First, Notre Dame, really? A school whose following actually makes it harder for them to succeed. Way to back up your point.
Next, how hasn’t rational critique happened? Pretty much everything that covered the game was critical of the teams performance. There were definite problems. But this type of article simply feeds the morons who get irrationally angry about a football team, and who can not look at what actually happened on the field. Are we supposed to have columnists calling for Chip Kelly’s head?
We need rational and healthy critique of the team, and we need to push for excellence. But that’s not what you’re calling for. You’re calling for Ducks to be not happy with the results, no matter the circumstances.
The Ducks exceeded expectations this year (which was one of your criteria earlier in this article, but whatever). So what are we supposed to do, talk about how this season was a failure?
We as fans and the media need to start treating the team like grown men and not just kids who need to hear repeated encouragement.
“Nice try, sport, you’ll get ‘em next time” only goes so far.
This makes no sense either. First, who is saying that, and what do you proposed different. Should we verbally assault Masoli and Blount for not having good games?
The bottom line is that this season was a resounding success. As MCD brought up before, a good comparison to this year for Oregon would be Alabama last year. What was their reaction after losing to Utah? They moved on pretty quickly, and look towards next season, while learning lessons from the loss. Hmm, isn’t that exactly what most Oregon fans are doing?
Basically, the tone of the article is just one of grasping: grasping for control over a situation that you can’t control. We as fans can’t control the football team, no matter how much we yell and scream and whatever else. I love talking about football, and will talk about it til I’m blue in the face. But calling for Oregon fans to act childish and petty like some other fanbases do is ridiculous, and in the end, counterproductive.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
by jtlight on Jan 7, 2010 2:51 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
Apparently,
Things worked out pretty well for Alabama after last seasons loss.
Who needs the pistol when you have the TaZeR? Kenjon Barner, the Ducks officially licensed tazer since 2009.
that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard
I’m not even going to give it any legitimacy with a further response.
--Dave
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by David Piper on Jan 7, 2010 3:03 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
This is insulting to all Oregon fans.
Duck fans were more interested in tailgating in sunny, palm tree-speckled Pasadena, basking in the experience and taking pictures of the beautiful, overlooking San Gabriel Mountains, than trying to destroy their vocal cords by the second quarter per usual.
Seriously? I drove 13 hours from Oregon. Damn right I am going to enjoy tailgating, this was an experience of a lifetime, and it was fucking awesome. The next day I could not talk till Sacramento, and you are telling me I am responsible. eff you buddy. This seriously pisses me off.
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by trumpetduck on Jan 7, 2010 3:18 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
I agree
I couldnt talk for days and all the duck fans around me were going nuts.
wants to challenge the definitions of sin and search the world for lovers of ultimate beauty but never settle in.
Fans don't win games but...
I was sitting on the 10 yard line towards the north end on the Ducks side. From there it didn’t sound loud. I will say the OSU fans were totally into it and very loud. They were doing the Go Buck thing back and forth from each side of the stadium.
its almost like it was a bowl game and the fans were split
and who ever you were seated by was louder, crazzzzzzy.
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by trumpetduck on Jan 7, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
That sounds like a Job for the Impact.
The Impact seems like the kind of guy that has no limits.
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by Bill Musgrave on Jan 7, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Also, I have no idea why I capitalized the word "job".
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by Bill Musgrave on Jan 7, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Oregon fans were very loud IMO
I was at about the 20 on the south OSU side. A partner of mine who went to Oregon told me about the decibels at Autzen but I figured that might have something to do with its unique topography. Anyway, glad to hear that OSU (that’s Ohio State, not Oregon State ; – ) ) was perceived to be loud on the Oregon side of the stadium because I really didn’t think OSU was that loud. I now suppose that each side got the other side’s “full roar” during the game but not it’s own side’s.
Great game, Duck fans were great, most OSU fans were great (except the drunk right behind me). Maybe we’ll see each other again next year in same venue or even national championship game.

its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
by JShufelt on Jan 7, 2010 3:18 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Hi Jean Luc, I've missed you.
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by Bill Musgrave on Jan 7, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
Damn it, I was gonna do this. That’s what I get for sleeping in…
It's spelled "T-H-E-I-M-P-A-C-T"
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
I know, you are very good at Jean Luc'ing.
So is Shufelt.
Maybe this could become a rivalry between you guys.
If it encourages more Jean Luc, I’m all for it.
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by Bill Musgrave on Jan 8, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
I do not find it necessary for the fans to have the mindset of Alabma or tOSU fans.
In fact, I don’t want that to happen. Fans of these teams are rarely happy with their team; they are always calling for someone to be fired, their QB to be benched or etc…Just look at the Ohio State board pre-Rose Bowl, there was considerable resentment against Pryor. I would rather be of a fanbase that is supportive, and actually happy with their program.
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by CaDuck on Jan 7, 2010 3:30 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
agree, in 07 we had some SC friends stay over for the game
They said before the game and after they were jealous of the type of fans we get to be. For them there was no happiness after winning, only relief. They expected to win every game and were pissed when they lost. They really wished they could be fans that got as happy and pumped for every game like we did. But i guess the grass is always greener, except in Boise.
I Don't Yell O I SCREAM!
Bullcrap
If you would have told me before this year (and especially after the LGB debacle) that we’d be in the Rose Bowl, I would have said great. Winning it would merely have turned an amazing year into a legendary one.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I could tell that Masoli was incensed by me sitting down for one drive while my stomach hurt way up in row 51.
So incensed, in fact, that he wanted to throw a pick right towards the fingertips of a defensive lineman just to show me what’s what. He demanded excellence from me as a fan, and I failed him.
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I have a Ropert is God™ complex.
Exactly.
Everyone needs to watch what they eat out at the tailgate, such that stomach problems don’t affect cheering in any way. Shame on you, sausage lovers.
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by Bill Musgrave on Jan 7, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
If this isn't intended as satire, someone needs to have their head examined.
I could be mistaken, but I believe Oregon lost this game because of matchup problems, and not because of the attitude of the fan.
I’m fairly confident the mindset of the average Oregon fan had nothing whatsoever to do with Terrelle Pryor shoving Eddie Pleasant aside as if he was some kind of middle-school flag football defender. Or that the smothering sandwich defense tOSU employed to keep Dickson from getting open was somehow related to my own inability to act like a salivating Bammer Jammer Yellow Hammer.
If the behavior and expectations of an arrogant, “traditional”, winning-is-the-only-thing fan base was as important as the OP suggests, it wouldn’t have taken Alabama 20 years to get back into a NC situation, the Domers wouldn’t have won only one bowl game since the first Bush administration, and it wouldn’t be over 2000 days since Michigan beat tOSU. And Boise State wouldn’t have two consecutive BCS victories.
Oh, by the way: Ohio State wore a modified uniform at least once this season.
This is, possibly, the most useless fanpost I have read all season. AtQ readers should demand class-action compensation for wasting time they could have been spending doing other, more entertaining and educational things, like reading benzduck posts.
those who do not remember history should read my blog...
This is, possibly, the most useless fanpost I have read all season.
Apparently someone never read my Whispers of the Juju posts.
"[Juju] is a magical, fragile thing. It's when you've pleased the god of football, and he decides to shine his glorious bounty upon your team. If you anger him, he takes it away." --Hank Hill, paraphrased slightly
by ProbablyMonty on Jan 7, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
On the contrary.
I’m a big fan of anagrams.
those who do not remember history should read my blog...
There is a lot about this post that I just find confusing more than anything else. A lot of people have echoed what I’ve thought. My general take is that I can see this post from a Florida fan or perhaps an Oklahoma fan but an Oregon fan? We don’t have the resume as a program to even justify this type of response to a Rose Bowl loss and a 10-3 season.
There’s not much history or tradition (aside from The Pick) outside of the past 15 seasons, at least that Oregon fans want to remember.
No history? No tradition? The uniform makeover in 1999, the expansion of Autzen, the fiesta bowl, the huge Civil War games, Holiday Bowls, Joey Harrington catching a pass for a touchdown, Dennis Dixon’s performance in the Big House. If you don’t see any history or tradition that Oregon fans want to remember, you aren’t paying attention
Duck fans were more interested in tailgating in sunny, palm tree-speckled Pasadena, basking in the experience and taking pictures of the beautiful, overlooking San Gabriel Mountains, than trying to destroy their vocal cords by the second quarter per usual.
If you went to the Rose Bowl just for the game, you missed out on 75% of what that bowl game was all about. Just getting to that point was a major achievement in itself. Would winning be nice? Sure but it wasn’t for lack of trying. As for you calling out the fans, several Buckeye fans I know from the game who were sitting in their section commented on how loud the Oregon section sounded, despite the differing acoustics that made your voice sound like it was gone as soon as you opened your mouth.
If Ohio State had lost last week, the media and fans alike would be calling for Jim Tressel’s head. Yeah, he’s done a great job for the program, but that doesn’t mean anything unless you win it all.
And this is what makes fans “fans”. They are fanatical by nature. They don’t make rational arguments. They can call for his head all they want but he wasn’t going anywhere, even if they lost. Ohio State didn’t expect to win this game. They prepared well and set out to succeed. They have experienced losing at the highest level, big time in national championship games and in other BCS games. Fans can call for his head all they want. These are probably the same people that called for Tressel to be fired after Purdue or who wanted Pryor to be moved to receiver.
As it stands right now, Oregon is just the little engine that could, waiting for its chance to finally join the popular group.
Newsflash, we are in the popular group. We are in the top 10% of all D1 football programs in the country. Are we in the elite of the elite? No. Will we ever be? Sure but not after years and years of success. A rose bowl win this year wasn’t going to get us there no matter what you think about the outcome of this game.
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Jan 7, 2010 6:51 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Good to see this thread.
I’m not quite ready to let go of this season.
BTW, saw LGB in the lobby of my hotel after the game. (Where some of the parents of the team stayed.) Looked like he was ready to get out of Dodge. My buddy and I, just a tad in the bag, talked to him and said how honored we were as fans to watch him and the Ducks this season, and thanked him for the fantastic ride. My friend game him a big man hug. LGB’s mom was watching with a big smile.
We did the talking, trying not to slobber on him.
He did say thanks for the comments and enthusiastically returned the bro hug.
It was something to look into the eyes of someone who has been through so much. I’m guessing he was looking for personal atonement with a win Friday, we just wanted to let him know that his fans hold him in very high regard nonetheless.
by WAduck on Jan 7, 2010 8:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Ladies and gentleman...
This post has officially become homoerotic.
Who needs the pistol when you have the TaZeR? Kenjon Barner, the Ducks officially licensed tazer since 2009.
I thought the grammar in this fan post was pretty good.
I’ll let the rest of you and the blank space below speak for my review of the content.
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by Bill Musgrave on Jan 7, 2010 8:15 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
When the boss says rec, a man should rec, I guess.
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by Bill Musgrave on Jan 8, 2010 6:10 AM PST up reply actions
How the hell can a loss get more complicated?
That damn Pasedena, with the palm trees, sunshine and all. OMG…tailgating?
And fans saying “it was just fun being there”. Yeah, I’m sure it cost us either this
game or the one in ’95. We simply must stop those fans from making those losing
playcalls from the stands!
Nothing personal, but you behave as if stupidity were a virtue. Why is that?
by ochocokid on Jan 7, 2010 8:33 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I was pretty sure I would get this reaction
And it’s completely understandable. Nobody likes to hear criticism, especially passionate college football fans. And I know you all are some of the biggest Oregon fans out there, so when I say the crowd was quieter than normal, I’m not exactly talking about you. In fact, it was particularly difficult for me to write this piece because I don’t know any bigger Duck fan than myself.
That said, I’m not saying we need to start ripping our players and coaches to shreds, heck, I thought this year was a great improvement and outside of two games, we couldn’t have played much better, and we very well could be the next Alabama, I would love nothing better.
I’m just playing devils advocate to “it was a great season, here’s a pat on the back, let’s move on.”
No, Masoli wouldn’t have not choked and Pryor wouldn’t have suddenly become Garrett Gilbert, but I do think the media needed to put more pressure on the team because going in to the game, the feeling I got was, a win would be great, but even if we lose it’s ok because it was a great season.
And I include my self some in this blame, but after talking to Ohio State fans and reading about the game from their perspective, I see distinct advantages of having a “we must win” mindset.
Maybe I’m expecting too much too soon, but I want to see Oregon up there with the Texas’s, Florida’s and USC’s competing for a national championship on a yearly basis. We have the potential, but until we expect it of ourself, we won’t be able to get there.
Just because we were expected by others at the start of the year to finish second or third, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t expect higher of ourselves.
I expect to get ripped more for this comment, and that’s ok. The whole idea of this blog is to share opinions about a common interest. This is mine and I respect everyone’s opinion here (even if you called me an asshole).
And hey, at least my grammar was pretty good, right Bill?
The UO Sports Dude.com
And Canzano predicting a 50-20 Oregon win doesn't count as pressure?
The majority of the media types in Oregon — although the usually contrarian Dwight Jaynes was hedging his bets — expected Oregon to win either closely or comfortably. What more, exactly, would you have had the media do to influence the outcome?
And Oregon fans — every last one of them — went down to LA to have a good time, AND expected to win. And the team knew it.
Ohio St had a “must win” mindset for good reason: Their seniors had never won a bowl game. The pressure was placed on themselves — the media just went along.
Excessive pressure from fans and media is NOT conducive to positive performance.
At best, the most meaningful impact is on those fans, who wind up disappointed almost every year — because good isn’t good enough, and only one team out of 117 can be the mythical national champion..
At worst, the team and coaches and AD staff succumb to the pressure, and resort to using any means necessary to gain favor. This is how you wind up with boosters gone wild, gambling arrests, and probation. Oregon went through this in the late 70s; it took a generation to recover.
I’m disappointed — I thought the OP was at least partly tongue-in-cheek. Oh well. I’m sure you’ll be a good writer someday, and will look back on this and smack yourself in the head for being a doofus.
That’s the problem with the internets. When I was a young Mr. Know-It-All, all my writing eventually wound up in the nearest landfill, where it belonged, or recycled into more newsprint for others to make better use of.
But everything you write in your blog will be available for study by future civilizations.
They, too, will wonder what you were thinking.
those who do not remember history should read my blog...
I think you overestimate how much the team listens to and cares about the media
There is no way the media or fans have a bigger impact on the teams will or desire to win than the team its self. And by bigger I really mean any impact at all. So what if the media says hey if we win its awesome, if not gravy, the team thinks that way? Come on now, don’t be silly. Masoli doesn’t read Mosely’s blog to see how hard he needs to play and whether or not he should try and win. LMJ isn’t checking twitter, or fuck, here to see if he should roll up 180 yards or maybe just 80 this week cause its non conference and if we loose its not the end of the wold. Those guys have a professional motivator directing their every move and mental state, I think he does the job in the making them want to win (the day) department.
And did you really just call yourself the biggest duck fan. Did you also find the worlds best cup of coffee?
I Don't Yell O I SCREAM!
Canzano seems to have a decent grasp of grammar as well, and does have a paying job as a sportswriter.
I still think he’s wrong most of the time, takes positions he doesn’t even firmly believe in to “play devil’s advocate” for buzz, and in the end is, well, a dick. To each his own, of course, your opinion is yours and mine is mine. I’m really not calling you a dick, Canzano takes his enterprise to a different level, but this piece does have the feel of trying to craft an unique angle to get people’s attention, rather than the feel of, well, any sort of firm belief in your gut, or any attempt to access the reality of the situation.
I personally don’t think the assertions you’re making are accurate. I don’t know anybody that didn’t want to win that game so bad they’d have sold their children to do so, and watching on TV, I thought our crowd noise far exceeded theirs. Further, I don’t remember any media reports that we should just be happy to be there, I remember most asking whether the Buckeyes had more pressure for loosing so many big games lately, or if the Ducks had this honor since they go so infrequently. There were plenty of stories about how critical it was to make the most of this chance and maybe make a step toward the “next level”. The freaking fanbase is already discussing our national championship chances NEXT YEAR, to me it is safe to say we’re all putting enough pressure out there in the world.
Mostly, I just kinda sorta passionately hate the spirit of your piece. My time at UO was one where we were favored infrequently but always had a chance to win, and it was just fucking beautiful. In both football and basketball, we’d walk in a venue without assurances, and often walk out feeling like a giant killer. We were getting better, you could feel it, and nobody needed to walk around tearing Rich Brooks or Mike Belotti a new asshole because they had a slip somewhere, as competitors they did it to themselves. We all mostly seemed to believe together we were going somewhere. That was 20 years ago, and we are still on the rise.
As I said above, I believe the expectations you are looking for already exist. If you stick around, you’ll get the results to go with them.
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by Bill Musgrave on Jan 8, 2010 6:08 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe you're right.
Maybe I am just trying to get people attention by playing devil’s advocate, but I think there might be a hint of truth to what I’m saying. Maybe not much more than 20% but I think it’s something that needed to be written, even if just to be shot down by the most hardcore Duck fans out there.
Obviously, it hit a nerve with most of you, but I was tired of reading every story about the Rose Bowl through rose colored glassed.
Oh and Bill, who knows how good Canzano’s grammar really is, I’m sure each story of his goes through a nine person editing chain, at the very least to make sure he didn’t write anything that would put himself or his family in danger.
The UO Sports Dude.com
If something is 20% true, the falsehood ratio is 5-1.
Not odds worth playing.
those who do not remember history should read my blog...
by benzduck on Jan 8, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe I’m expecting too much too soon, but I want to see Oregon up there with the Texas’s, Florida’s and USC’s competing for a national championship on a yearly basis. We have the potential, but until we expect it of ourself, we won’t be able to get there.
I’m assuming this is your main point, and its totally wrong. Not because we’ll never get to the Texas’, Florida’s, etc. Because, we may eventually. But to think that this won’t happen “until we expect it of ourself” is simply totally insane. Texas isn’t Texas because of fan pressure. They’re Texas because they have a top 5 recruiting class every year, and because no matter what happens their fans show up and make them the most biggest athletic department in the country.
Fan expectations have no impact on team performance. You could argue that it hinders it. To compare Oregon to Ohio State doesn’t make sense either. OSU has won more national titles than the number of times Oregon has won the Pac-10. There’s no comparison, historically. Fan expectations come AFTER success, not before it. Magically “expecting” to be with the elite of college football won’t make it happen any more than if you “expect” to get that new job. It’s wishful thinking.
The only thing that will bring long term success for Oregon is the hard work of the players and coaches, and if the fans support the athletic department. That is it. To think otherwise is an example of extreme hubris.
Lastly, it seems your baseline for success is overachieving. We did that this year. According to your own metrics, this article shouldn’t have been written.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
by jtlight on Jan 8, 2010 6:13 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
have you ever been to a USC game at the Coliseum? there fans are the worst. they only cheer on 3rd downs when the scoreboard says “GET LOUD!” or when they show Snoop. its actually quite funny.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jan 8, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think most biggest is correct grammatically, but I fucking love it.
I’m going to be using that a lot, anything impressive is most biggest from here on out.
Oh, RAT FARTS!!!!!
by Bill Musgrave on Jan 8, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
I’m still losing the connection.
How does tailgating outside the rose bowl influence Masoli’s reading of the option?
its spelled "S-h-u-t-t-h-e H e-l-l-U-p-F-E-L-T"
because you ate one too many bratwursts
and it slowed LaMichael down.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Exactly
I’ve already stated this, my friends: NO SAUSAGE.
Oh, RAT FARTS!!!!!
by Bill Musgrave on Jan 8, 2010 5:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This is the least homoerotic post I've read so far.
I’m tempted to bust my flag cherry on it.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jan 9, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
The sausage fest must end for the good of the team.
And if I might make a request, please don’t bust a cherry of any kind on anything that has my name on it.
Oh, RAT FARTS!!!!!
by Bill Musgrave on Jan 9, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Um...hello?!?
“Holy moly! Is that my boy Masoli?
Cookin up the offense like he’s cookin ravioli”
EVERYONE knows that ravioli isn’t good tailgating food!! If Jeremiah wants to read the option correctly, he should stick to the time-honored tradition of hot dogs and jungle juice.
Ducks stackin' wins like Leggos, toastin Pac-10 like the Eggos, like we're racin' against some preggos, Dan Patrick we enfuego.
by PacBellBoozer on Jan 8, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Not to mention he apparently contracted a sickness worse than E-Coli.
That had to have affected his play. I hope he is okay, I mean, E-Coli is nasty stuff.
Who needs the pistol when you have the TaZeR? Kenjon Barner, the Ducks officially licensed tazer since 2009.
Sorry but Imma disagree
Proper tailgating includes boudin, chips, jambalaya, pastalaya, good beer for sitting with, cheap beer for ponging with, fried turkey, fried (insert opposing mascot here, if appropriate), crawfish, shrimp, kebobs, brats, burgers, pralines, and cookies.
The soul of New Orleans... Go Ducks, Geaux Tigers, Go Braves, Go Hornets, and most of all WHO DAT! I BELIEVE!
If your fanbase doesn't do songs like this, maybe you need a new fanbase.
You mean,
PRAYleeeeenz?
Who needs the pistol when you have the TaZeR? Kenjon Barner, the Ducks officially licensed tazer since 2009.
I will cut you...
…from Oregon fandom since we’re all causing the Ducks to lose.
The soul of New Orleans... Go Ducks, Geaux Tigers, Go Braves, Go Hornets, and most of all WHO DAT! I BELIEVE!
If your fanbase doesn't do songs like this, maybe you need a new fanbase.
by AllSaintsDay on Jan 9, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
and we very well could be the next Alabama, I would love nothing better.
Here’s an idea…and call me crazy here…but how about we stop trying to be like someone else and be the best OREGON we can be?!?
Ducks stackin' wins like Leggos, toastin Pac-10 like the Eggos, like we're racin' against some preggos, Dan Patrick we enfuego.
by PacBellBoozer on Jan 8, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd
Only losing THREE starters from the USC game. (Offense and Defense)
Ladies and Gentlemen your 2010-11 Oregon Ducks.
by QuackQuackAttack on Jan 8, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
I feel like diehardoaklandfan22 was sick of his posts getting no comments on this site. mission accomplished.
It's spelled "T-H-E-I-M-P-A-C-T"
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by Takimoto on Jan 8, 2010 1:33 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
Your clever ploy has been discovered! Burn him!
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
You can call them spoiled, sure, but they put pressure on the team to deliver. And for the most part, they do. No team wants to deal with an unhappy fan base or media telling them what they did wrong, especially one that can fill a 110,000 seat stadium and connect with ears all over the country.
We as fans and the media need to start treating the team like grown men and not just kids who need to hear repeated encouragement.
“Nice try, sport, you’ll get ‘em next time” only goes so far.
Just out of curiosity, why would us giving or not giving some vague sort of “encouragement” do anything different at all? Do you think Chip Kelly reads the paper every day, counts the number of fires lit under his ass, and decides to win or lose accordingly?
Mostly, I just don’t understand your point. You make these vague, grandiose claims that we (the fans) can help the team win, but I don’t understand how. Autzen is always sold out and is always loud. I wasn’t personally at the Rose Bowl, but I’ve heard that noise wasn’t in short supply there, either. What more are we supposed to do? Why would it help to “demand excellence,” and what exactly would the action be, other than these vague platitudes?
At the end of the day, nothing — nothing — that Chip Kelly has ever done would cause me to believe that he gives a shit about what the media says. This “pressure” to which you refer is a complete non-factor. I believe that he coached to the best of his ability, and I believe the players played to the best of their ability. We got beat. It’s that simple. We’ll try again some other time. But it’s just a tough sell that dissatisfaction on a massive scale would have had an effect of some sort.
I wouldn’t want a team that was subject to the whimsy of fan satisfaction and media hype. I want a team that will try their hardest to win every game every time. I believe I have that.
"[Juju] is a magical, fragile thing. It's when you've pleased the god of football, and he decides to shine his glorious bounty upon your team. If you anger him, he takes it away." --Hank Hill, paraphrased slightly
by ProbablyMonty on Jan 8, 2010 5:06 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I know what to do, guys!
Whenever I go to shave, I assume there’s someone else on the planet shaving, so I say, “I’m gonna go shave, too.”
Addicted To Quack [dot] com
I have a Ropert is God™ complex.
Isn’t calling yourself the uo sports dude just ripping off bill simmons the boston sports guy?
the few, the proud, the blazers
by HD on Jan 9, 2010 1:57 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I take a day off work and kiss a shit-storm, what gives?
P.S. How’s the whole “sense of entitlement” and diehardedness been working out for you Oakland Raiders fans lately?
Just sayin’.
miss* a shit-storm
Goddamn if I ain’t the king of the typos.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jan 9, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
I kissed a shit-storm once
.. back in 1978..
Didn’t realize it until after I’d married her, unfortunately.
those who do not remember history should read my blog...
The coverage of Oregon’s loss in the Rose Bowl just got complicated.
It’s taken a while for me to write anything this week.
It’s part shock, part anger, and a whole lot of mourning. I needed time to complete the five stages of grief, regroup, collect my thoughts and write something more meaningful than a “this FanPost really sucked” rant.
This was such a great season and it so see it go down this way was more crushing than watching the season finale of “Friends” in 2004 or seeing someone about to get hit by a car knowing you can do nothing to save them.
After spending the last few days figuring out the good, the bad and the ugly (mostly ugly) that happened in this FanPost, I have come up with an explanation for why so many AtQ readers had such a rocky start to 2010.
And it has absolutely nothing to do with anything on the page.
Here goes.
Writing a coherent article is a skill. And unfortunately, skills don’t hatch over night.
AtQ fans have only recently gotten a taste of coherent writing. In fact, most longtime readers have suffered through far more lazy FanPosts than “A Duck Fan’s History of Suffering”, as evidenced by the respective number of comments.
At this stage, coherent writing is sort of a novelty for AtQ readers. It’s new, it’s fun, trendy even, but it’s not expected.
Look at the Oregonian. Every single year, readers of the Oregonian pick up the paper expecting no less than a coherent narrative in every article. They demand excellence.
The goal for a fan site is always to exceed expectations. Venting anger ad dressing it up as a call to action is one thing, but for the Oregonian readers, platitudes are not enough. They expect logic.
You can call them spoiled, sure, but they put pressure on the writers to deliver. And for the most part, they do. No blog or publication wants to deal with an unhappy readership telling them what they did wrong, especially one that has literally thousands of readers across the state.
Their readers all expect every article to attempt to make sense, every page, every issue. It’s contagious.
Why do publishers fire writers? Because they lose the trust of the keyboard and in return, they stop expecting to churn out something more than a loosely assorted bag of letters. Mindset is half the battle.
The Oregonian’s tradition of quality writing is over a century-and-a-half long, with five Pulitzers to prove it.
In fact, their tradition is so strong that fans started an uproar when the Oregonian hired John Canzano.
Addicted to Quack on the other hand, is all about the now. AtQ are cutting edge in just about everything: the newest Tako Tuesdays, Media Wednesdays, Morning Quack Fixes, SBNation layout, the list goes on.
There’s not much history or tradition (aside from The Juju) outside of the past few years.
And like the new SBNation layout, great writing isn’t something the fans and media can get tired of like a pair of week-old Nike cleats.
After we (yes, I feel like am a part of the AtQ readership) read this FanPost, you have no idea how many times I heard “Well, it was just fun scrolling through it.”
That attitude, more so than talent, spelling or grammar, is the biggest reason why we still don’t have a Pulitzer.
AtQ readers were more interested in clicking on the various links, basking in the experience and finding Takimoto’s “Tiny Spandex Shorts!!!!” posts, than trying to destroy their keyboards by the second paragraph per usual.
Commenters were busy readying their replies about how the grammar is nice and and they sure kissed a shit-storm for not being here when this was posted.
Just like most writers who screw up in big articles because they change their style of prose, we as readers should take the blame for change our style in this FanPost.
“Win the Day,” isn’t that Chip Kelly’s mantra? It felt more like, win the sentence and whatever happens next happens.
January 7th had to be the quietest (aside from the day after Boise State) AtQ FanPost that I have ever been to.
But this is ok. I can’t expect us to get it right away. Like Aristotle said, we learn by doing.
Now that we have been on the big stage, the crucial transformation is learning from our mistakes. This experience needs to teach us what to expect and how to act for next year, when we’re right back in the Rose Bowl.
We need to build a winning tradition, one where “just having content” isn’t enough. And this takes time. It needs to be instilled from birth (for readers) and through talent (for posters), read everyday on iPhones and seen everyday on the SBNation home page.
If Addicted to Quack wants to take the next step in terms of national prestige, readers and media will have to act like we belong with the traditional powers like the Oregonian, the New York Times and the Washington Post.
The reason these powers have been able to maintain excellence is because the readers, the media, the writers and editors are very critical of themselves and involved in how to make improvements. And those publications listen.
If The Oregonian had written a half-assed orgy of anger and confusion, the media and readers alike would be calling for John Canzano’s head. Yeah, he’s done a great job for the paper, but that doesn’t mean anything unless you read what you wrote after you have written it.
The powerhouse papers are victims of their own success, but that is a positive. It shows they care.
As it stands right now, AtQ is just the little engine that could, waiting for its chance to finally join the popular group.
We as readers need to start treating the team like grown men and not just kids who need to hear repeated encouragement.
“I thought the grammar in this fan post was pretty good,” only goes so far.
After a crappy FanPost like this one, we can’t pat ourselves on the back and say it was a good try, we need to find the reasons why the post sucked and improve immediately.
It’s up to us for AtQ to get there. We need to demand excellence, and if they know what’s best for themselves, they’ll listen.
It starts now.
"[Juju] is a magical, fragile thing. It's when you've pleased the god of football, and he decides to shine his glorious bounty upon your team. If you anger him, he takes it away." --Hank Hill, paraphrased slightly
by ProbablyMonty on Jan 9, 2010 9:58 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Well done
I never thought writing one controversial article would inspire so much reaction. I’ll take it as a compliment that you would invest so much time in making fun of me, which was amazingly done by the way.
Rec’d
The UO Sports Dude.com
by UOSportsDude on Jan 9, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks. Truth be told, I didn’t think your original post was that bad or deserving of this kind of pseudo-fisking. I just happened to disagree with you (as i articulated in a previous comment) and once the parody article idea popped into my head, I couldn’t not do it.
Diversity of opinions is still a good thing.
"[Juju] is a magical, fragile thing. It's when you've pleased the god of football, and he decides to shine his glorious bounty upon your team. If you anger him, he takes it away." --Hank Hill, paraphrased slightly
by ProbablyMonty on Jan 9, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Well, sir, I may hate what you say, but I’ll defend to the death my right to keep and bear arms to force you to retract it.
"[Juju] is a magical, fragile thing. It's when you've pleased the god of football, and he decides to shine his glorious bounty upon your team. If you anger him, he takes it away." --Hank Hill, paraphrased slightly
by ProbablyMonty on Jan 11, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
Well written
See you in Tempe in 2011.
Of course the conversation degenerated...
You were having it with a bunch of degenerates.
by MaliBuckeye at The BBC on Feb 2, 2010 11:39 PM PST reply actions

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