Quack Fix: Rounding up Oregon's rout of UCLA, Pac-12 expansion details released
by jtlight on Oct 22, 2010 8:44 AM PDT
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Oregon did what it needed to do last night, beating down UCLA while the whole nation watched. The Ducks are now 7-0 for the first time in 77 years. It's a great time to be a Duck!
- Oregon left no doubt about their #1 national ranking, putting together their most complete performance this season. Was there anything not to like about the Ducks performance? Darron Thomas was spectacular. LaMichael James was explosive. The defense didn't give the Bruins a chance to breathe, and the special teams didn't fumble the ball.
- George Schroeder's piece today is about the national spotlight Oregon was in last night. Oregon was the only show in town, and took advantage, gaining praise from all corners of the country, including Matt Hinton, who tries to put Oregon offensive "death machine" into perspective.
- Ken Woody has his recap of the game up. While it was a great performance all around, Oregon once against stepped up in the second half. Defensively, the Ducks gave up 5.4 yards per rush on first down in the first half. In the second, UCLA got only one yard on eight attempts.
- GoDucks.com has a post-game wrap, with all sorts of fun facts. My favorite: Oregon has won 14 straight at home, where Chip Kelly still hasn't lost.
- Pac-12 expansion is now official (here's the full press conference). The division split went as expected, with the Northwest and Bay Area schools making up the north division, and the rest of the schools in the south. The California schools will be guaranteed games against each other each year, though the rest of the conference got revenue sharing. Also, the football conference championship game will be held at the highest seed's home field.
- There have been a lot of opinions on this topic flying about, though it seems like those inside the athletic department are happy with the move. I think that Oregon and the entire Pac-12 will be much better off under the new deal. Equal revenue sharing will help all of the teams, and I think the Northwest schools are in a great competitive position over the Bay Area schools. There will obviously be concern about recruiting in southern California, and that concern was also voiced by Mike Bellotti. However, the potential positives from this move outweigh the negatives, and I'm confident that our coaching staff will be able to create new recruiting opportunities.
Got any other quack or thoughts on the game? Leave it below. GO DUCKS! Bring on USC!
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LaDarron or DaMichael?
Why is Andrea Kramer trying to eye fuck me?
My name is not Bryce.
by Im Chris Hansen on Oct 22, 2010 8:51 AM PDT reply actions
But they didnt beat TEXAS
Why is Andrea Kramer trying to eye fuck me?
My name is not Bryce.
by Im Chris Hansen on Oct 22, 2010 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
That game
was so worth how tired I’m feeling this morning after the drive home!
And Jeremy, Dom, Shufelt, Axemen and Famous Duck – it was great to meet you all. Thanks for your hospitality!
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Are they Prada?
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Certainly not
They are Nike of course. One must support all of Uncle Phil’s endeavors.
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let the record show that Shufelt was the one to ask about the shoes
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
I am going to throw the flag on this one. Ask Shufelt.
Who was is that brought the shoes to your attention, S-H-U-F-E-L-T-T-R-U-T-H-F-U-L ?
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA
The truth is that my brother noticed it first, and I brought to attention.
It’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-T-I-G-H-T-A-T-T-H-E-H-E-E-L"
You can't handle the Truth. The TRUTH is this: Brutally handsome Famous Duck was the first to notice THE Shoes.
He handed the notice to Shu who commented on the Shu’s.
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA
by Famous Duck on Oct 23, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
You do bring up a somewhat valid point.
It is only natural that a Shufelt would feel the need to comment on shoes.
It’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-T-I-G-H-T-A-T-T-H-E-H-E-E-L"
It’s spelled “S-H-O-E-F-E-L-T?”
There go the refs faking a replay to catch their breath again. - Bill Musgrave
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DT is clearly not on Dixon's level when it comes to running the ball and the fakes etc, but is he already a better passer than DD was?
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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by Your Favorite Team's Favorite Team on Oct 22, 2010 9:00 AM PDT reply actions
no
Dixon 67.7%
Thomas 60.9%
Dixon had much, much better receivers though.
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by Im Chris Hansen on Oct 22, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s true. But Dixon also had a very nice touch on passes that didn’t need to be zipped. I’ve seen glimpses of it from Darron (the long pass to Maehl down the sideline and the pass to Paulson in the endzone that should have been pass interference), but for the most part, DT tries to break your face with his throws. Dixon just threw a pretty ball his senior year.
But there’s the key – his senior year. Dixon was not nearly as far along as Thomas was his third year. Thomas still has two years to grow. I’m excited. He still has plenty of room to improve.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Oh for sure
Dixon also didnt have a Chip Kelly til senior
But Thomas has improved in leaps and bounds from the beginning of the year
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by Im Chris Hansen on Oct 22, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Thomas had awesome touch passes last night
but he also made the reads needed so frequently that it was unreal. checking down to the 3rd and 4th options and hitting them beautifully…Dixon didn’t do that until his senior year.
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
Thomas’ reads last night were fantastic. He checked down quickly and other than one throw I can think of, made the right decision, even when he had to throw the ball away. The o-line was very very good in pass protection as well.
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I specifically remember him hitting LMJ on a delayed wheel route perfectly.
It HAD to be his 3rd of 4th read. He stayed poised and didn’t flip out. Very, very impressive.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, it wasn’t QUITE perfect. That was an example of a ball he threw a bit too hard and almost overthrew James (LMJ made a fantastic catch, by the way). But the read was beautiful. He had great blocking so he hung in the pocket – first target, no, second target, no, third target, no, oh, there’s LMJ – boom. 25 yards.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
he should have tucked the ball and picked up the first down yardage
that was the easy choice. it was a good check down, but the first choice was to run IMO.
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
In an interview with Helfrich on the radio he said James evidently was literally the fifth option on that play.
Solid job by Thomas on that.
Ça plane pour moi.
I don't think Thomas is quite at Dixon's level of touch on his passes..
But I also don’t think Thomas is as slow, or as “bad” with his zone reads as people make him out to be in the running game. He is starting to get to the point with Lamichael where they are faking out the cameraman which was happening 3-10 times a game in 2007 and is pretty much my favorite thing to see
by NICKPAPAGEORGIOTHEDUCK on Oct 22, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't aware that people were making DT out to be bad with his reads.
I’ve heard nothing but positive things.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he has bad reads
but occasionally, especially early on, the fakes were really bad some times. I remember in like the UNM game he had a few fakes where he was reading the secondary and he was almost 3 feet away from the running back’s belly with his fake. I haven’t seen anything so bad since the PDX game, I think he’s corrected it for the most part. The thing I’ve been most impressed with is his poise and willingness to take a hit in the pocket but still deliver the ball.
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by Bill Musgrave on Oct 22, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Did DT have any overthrows yesterday?
I don’t remember any passes sailing over the receiver’s head.
Another thing not seen lately: Has LMJ made any of those playstation-style spin moves like last year? Seems he’s doing less Barry Sanders-style dancing and more Bo Jackson-style hitting the fucking hole.
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So so so so true
Dixon was not nearly as far along as Thomas was his third year.
A lot of people forget that there were serious questions about Dixon going into 2007 and not the same type of questions we had about DT. Dixon was very inconsistent before his senior year.
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I remember being at the Houston game that year and the first mistake Dixon made people all around me were calling for Brady Leaf. It’s a true story. They were calling for Brady Leaf. Bizarre looking back.
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by MarineCorpsDuck on Oct 22, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Not good at the ball fakes?
He has a vicious pump fake, and his fake pitch on the option is pretty convincing. He had UCLA biting all night long on his pump/pitch fakes.
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There is are a lot of grammar Nazis around here lately.
She's a Cougar; he's a Duck.
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Even amateur journalists should have proof-readers.
by gamedaytribe on Oct 23, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a question about the BCS computers
I realize that no one knows for sure what goes into them all – but it must be something MORE than just strength of schedule, which is what you always hear everyone talk about in reference to the computers. And if there IS something more than strength of schedule in those computer rankings, then an all around great performance like last night must help us move up from 8th place in the computers. Yes? Anyone have any insight?
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I think some of the formulas take home/away into account, and maybe they look at other factors related to the timing of the game, but I don’t think they’re allowed to use any stats from the games themselves (like points scored, turnovers created, yards allowed, stuff like that). I could be wrong, but I don’t see the point in eliminating MOV from the formulas if you’re allowing them to use that other stuff.
I do know that our SOS was ABYSMAL in almost all of the computers. Like, around 100 or worse. And UCLA, at least until yesterday, was ranked anywhere from the high 30’s to the low 50’s. So our SOS has no choice but to improve, which will move us up in the computers, especially since there will be two fewer undefeated teams after this weekend.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Yeah, the stupid thing is that we could have beaten UCLA 14 – 13 on a last second touchdown and I don’t think it would affected the computer rankings at all.
But, on the bright side, beating a team 60 – 13 on national TV, especially a team that pounded Texas on the road, is worth a TON in the human polls. And as long as we stay #1 in the human polls, I don’t see any way our SOS gets knocked enough to push us out of the top 2 in the BCS overall.
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Our schedule is back loaded.
No way our SOS can go down from here on out. Win out and we’re in.
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Yeah, but, assuming there are more than 2 undefeated teams at the end of the year, our SOS will probably be lower than all but the non-AQ schools. But even then, it shouldn’t be enough to knock us out of the top two in the BCS. I hope.
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we still have two really good teams on our schedule
next week is USC, I think this may be our toughest test. They are 5-2 and just demolished CAL. The ONLY reason they are not ranked right now is because they can’t be. Their two losses both came on game ending field goals. While this team is not the defense we’re used to seeing, you have to know that they are going to come out pumped and ready to go. They want to ruin us, they want to pay us back for the ass beating they took last year. This game scares the shit out of me, oh ya and we still have Arizona, OSU and Washington to go.
Quack Quack Bitches.
They can be ranked in the AP.
It’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-T-I-G-H-T-A-T-T-H-E-H-E-E-L"
And why arn't they?
That’s what baffels me. Answer me this, If Texas and USC played today, who do you think wins? What about Mississippi, Va tech or Miami? Do you see all of these teams beating USC? I sure don’t. Take Texas, Dominated by a UCLA team that then got Blown out by a CAL team that then got Destroyed by USC. In what point in the last 9-10 years would you have seen a USC team that Blew out Cal, and lost in the last seconds of two games not be ranked. The AP poll gives them 80 (EIGHTY) votes but they’re still not in the top 25. Something’s screwy there and I think that they are MASSIVELY underrated.
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I think it’s that people look at USC, and are knocking them for failing to match their previous success.
Just my gut reaction.
It’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-T-I-G-H-T-A-T-T-H-E-H-E-E-L"
They are being penalized for the suspensions.
It makes it easier if they are not ranked. It just hurts Oregon.
by ericalancanty on Oct 22, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
But then...
it doesn’t even begin to make up for the times they got higher rankings then they deserved just because they where USC.
But, but, but.... Look at all those guys that they recruited; doesn't that make them 'rank?'
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
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I hear this argument a lot. Do people also think it’s stupid that we could have beaten UCLA 14-13 on a last second touchdown, and it wouldn’t have affected the Pac-10 standings at all?
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by AllSaintsDay on Oct 22, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t follow your point. Are you arguing that a 14 – 13 win should be treated the same as a 60 – 13 win, which is what the computers do now?
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Right now, I’m just wondering if you think the Pac-10 standings should take into account margin of victory.
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by AllSaintsDay on Oct 22, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course not. I’m wondering if you think a 60 – 13 victory is more impressive than a 14 – 13 victory.
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I do think so.
Now I’m wondering why looking at MOV elicits an “Of course not” in one case and “stupid thing” in another case. That’s an awful lot of gap.
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by AllSaintsDay on Oct 22, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s not a gap at all. They’re two completely different things. One is a ranking and the other is a list of teams by W-L record.
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Let me cut this off right now – I think it’s silly that the computers have to ignore MOV completely in their calculations of rankings/ratings. How much should MOV matter? I don’t know, but I think it needs to be factored in somewhat. If you disagree, that’s fine, but I don’t think we’re going to get very far in this discussion.
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I’m not against MOV being included. I just think that going so far as to call the non-inclusion of MOV a “stupid thing” is, in itself, a stupid thing. Which team makes the Rose Bowl has nothing to do with margin of victory. Why is it “a stupid thing” if which team makes the BCSNCG has nothing to do with margin of victory.
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by AllSaintsDay on Oct 22, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Because it ignores a lot of information that is vital to determining which team deserves to be in the BCSNCG. Ignoring useful information completely in such a system seems pretty stupid to me.
The Rose Bowl’s goal was never to get the “best” team from the Pac 10, it was to get the team that won the Pac 10. Generally those two will be the same, but in years where they aren’t, the Rose Bowl doesn’t care.
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What, exactly, makes a team deserve to be in the BCSNCG? Is it the teams that have performed the best, or the teams you’d predict to do the best? I’d argue the former.
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by AllSaintsDay on Oct 22, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
It's because nobody can agree on the criteria
that we have all this disagreement and 8 different formulas (with the human voters just representing another formula/set of criteria, basically).
If we all agreed on what the criteria should be, there would be no disagreement (or much less of it, at any rate).
by gamedaytribe on Oct 22, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh it’s definitely the teams that perform the best. So which team performed better – the team that won 60 – 13 or the team that won 14 – 13 against the same opponent?
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The problem is that having a common opponent is a
luxury. The much more common case is when Team A beats Team A2 40-20, and Team B beats Team B2 65-10. Now should that MoV count the same? It depends on how strong the opponent was. If Team B2 is much worse than A2, those might be comparable wins.
Unless you ALL play the same opponents, MoV can be a very controversial number to play around with, and is much abused.
by gamedaytribe on Oct 22, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree that all MOV isn’t created equal, but neither are all W’s. Like anything else in the formula, there need to be adjustments for quality of opponent and that kind of thing. I just think making the computers ignore it completely is silly.
Which goes right along with the entire BCS system as a whole. I’m also a proponent of a playoff system, but that’s not going to happen any time soon.
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When I say “perform,” I mean the kind that decides who goes to the Rose Bowl by winning games.
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by AllSaintsDay on Oct 22, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I couldn’t think of a better word; just take what you would call it and substitute that.
Basically, I think that in deciding “Who goes to the BCSNCG?” we should try to be just as “Only W/L matters, not the margin.” as when we decide “Who goes to the Rose Bowl?” or when the SEC decides “Who goes to the Sugar Bowl?” or when the ACC decides “Who goes to the Orange Bowl?”
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by AllSaintsDay on Oct 22, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree. I think how you win matters when deciding “Who goes to the BCSNCG,” to a certain extent.
And with that, I believe we are at an impasse.
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I guess, what I was saying is silly is making a distinction between how you decide who goes to the Rose Bowl and how you decide who goes to the BCSNCG without saying why you’re making the distinction.
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by AllSaintsDay on Oct 22, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t find that silly at all. The Rose Bowl has never based its selection criteria on “the most deserving” or “the best” Pac 10 team. They have always selected the Pac 10 team with the most Pac 10 victories. Everyone’s clear on that. And I have no problem with it.
But the BCS purports to select the best two teams in the nation to face each other for the NCG. In my opinion, in order to determine who’s best, you need to look at more than just W-L (and opponents’ W-L, and opponents’ opponents’ W-L, etc.). How you win makes a difference.
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what????
its obvious, team a beating team c 48-13 is exactly equal to team b beating team c 16-14. unless team a is 1a. in the sec or 1b notre dame, then team a is 50000x better then team b
#88
You ought to tell the Pac-10 that they're morons, then.
Last year, they counted our 43-19 victory over Washington to be just the same as UCLA’s 24-23 victory.
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by AllSaintsDay on Oct 22, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, the BCS, according to its website “is designed to ensure that the two top-rated teams in the country meet in the national championship game, and to create exciting and competitive matchups among eight other highly regarded teams in four other bowl games.” Not “best,” but “top-rated.”
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by AllSaintsDay on Oct 22, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
And again, I would argue that any rating you come up with that values each win the same as each other win ignores vital information, and is, as I stated way up above, “stupid.”
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Again, that’s how every sports league in history, including all college football conferences, has ranked its teams. The Rose Bowl doesn’t want “The Pac-10 team with the most wins.” It wants “The Pac-10 champions.” How does the Pac-10 decide that? Pure wins and losses.
I don’t think that it’s feasible to actually rank all I-A teams by wins and losses with any semblance of accuracy. But I believe that considering the use of other information to be an integral part of it, as opposed to a necessary evil, is stupid, because that’s not how sports work, and it pretty much kills the idea of wins and losses.
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by AllSaintsDay on Oct 22, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree. I think the fact that it’s infeasible to rank I-A teams by wins and losses makes using additional information an integral part, and that NOT using that information in any system where you won’t simply use wins and losses to determine a champion is much, much dumber.
The BCS has decided that pure wins and losses aren’t enough to give it a proper answer. And I agree, so they use a rating system. Once you’ve abandoned wins and losses, everything is fair game. And since everything is fair game, you should absolutely use all of the information available to you to determine who should be rated the best.
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Umm…slippery slope much? Just because you can’t do it by pure wins and losses in no way, shape, or form implies that you should toss in everything (at least, not without some additional supporting argument).
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by AllSaintsDay on Oct 22, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Not enough good data
Detailed data required for accurate computer models has not been kept. This is because it is not useful to the people that actually use the data. Coaches use film because football action is parallel and not sequential. (Baseball: pitcher to batter, batter to fielder, fielder makes play Football: at snap 11 players move out, with more than a few having a direct affect on the outcome.)
Then there is sample size… and the deviations from normal. (Baseball: pitcher’s rubber, batters box, pitcher pitches to batter… not much variation CFB: Ducks and tOSU… way different but successful styles.)
Then there is resolution of the data. Most football stats I’ve seen have been kept by quarter (15 min) while baseball keeps by inning (equivalent time in football is less than 7 minutes.)
TOP is obviously not a good measure of a team’s ability unless tied to points. Ducks scored a point a minute for the game, but almost 2.8 points a minute while on offense. Actually 3 points a minute on offense if you don’t count the last “take a knee” set of downs.
Then there are the “made up” stats that try to aggregate the data into a media size chunk. The different “efficiency” stats would fall into this area. Red zone efficiency: what if the team scores a lot from outside the red zone (Ducks?) Forth down efficiency: Normally going for it on forth is a sign of desperation and making it is critical to the outcome of a game. Ducks seem to think of it more like the other downs because field position is not that much of a deal.)
If you look at many of the “normal” stats for last nights game and just consider L or W, you might think the Ducks were lucky to win.
Sorry for the rambling, but there is so much wrong with trying to calculate football quality with the current data (maybe any data.) Having 6 (or 100) computers grinding the data doesn’t make it any better… just gives some people the impression everything is on the up and up.
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The reason I’m for having MOV in the formula is because we are talking about the NCG. You are using the formula as a way to differentiate teams that are both undefeated. Of course win-loss should be the top thing factored in, but the point of the BCS, as you stated, is to get the top-rated teams against each other in the NCG. When differentiating between undefeated teams, I think MOV is important. That’s why you don’t need MOV in determining the Pac 10 champ.
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by MarineCorpsDuck on Oct 22, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
What about differentiating one-loss teams? Or, once, it had to differentiate two-loss teams. (And that year, there was a consensus #1 after the bowls.)
I’m not against MOV; I just don’t want to toss it in wholesale either. The integrity of the game being about wins and losses ought to be protected as much as is feasible.
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by AllSaintsDay on Oct 22, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it has to be done intelligently. And I don’t think it should have a huge impact. I just cringe at the thought of looking at a 47-point win and a one-point win as being equal. Not accounting for that is a mistake, in my opinion.
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mov is good and bad
i think it should be included up to a point (maybe 20) so a 70-0 win is the same as a 20-0 win in the computers, keeping people from running up the score forever. and then a 20 point win would be worth more then a 1 point win over the same opponent. but this would be a piece of the formula. not the bases of everything
#88
Do they take into account
Total Points For vs. Total Points Against? Because in a way it is the same thing as MOV.
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No, nothing like that is included in the official computer ratings used in the BCS formula.
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how do you know?
are you on the computer pay role? over half the computers dont even release there formula. and one guy said It would be hard not to make it say what ever if offered money. so no saying they dont just do what ever they want. they dont have anything in place to check there formulas
#88
We know they’re not allowed to include MOV. I find it impossible to believe they’d be allowed to use other statistics that would pose the same problems they find in MOV.
It’s true, I’m assuming (although for all I know, this could be out there somewhere). But how ridiculous would it be that they couldn’t use the Oregon – UCLA score in their calculations, but they could use total points or total yards or something else. It would basically be the same thing.
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Standings and rankings aren't the same thing.
And probably shouldn’t be. However, I do like the BCS formula in that it gives a balance between looking at wins only (computers) and looking at quality (humans).
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In fact, that is the intent
The MoV is not in the computer rankings. This can be a good thing, actually, because certainly a raw MoV can unfairly advantage teams who schedule creampuffs and beat up on them to ridiculous extents. That can also lead to very misleading computer rankings.
However, it’s not as if it’s not factored in — because human voters certainly don’t discount it. So the assumption is that it is covered to the extent it should be.
My take on this is that the computer rankings by themselves are not designed to generate the best rankings, and neither are the human polls. The idea is that they both cover different aspects/criteria, and so TOGETHER in total they come up with the best rankings.
I would not count any one poll / computer formula as the best way to go about determining the best rankings.
Of course, I’m one of those people screaming for a CF playoff tournament.
by gamedaytribe on Oct 22, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
When the people
behind the computer rankings say that ignoring MoV creates a false ranking, who are we to argue? 2 of the original computer rankings were dropped because they refused to cave to the BCS and I believe that 2 that are still in it do 2 sets of rankings. The one that includes MoV in the formula is considered more valid by the nerds behind the formula.
Yes, Sagarin and one other do two sets of rankings.
Sagarin believes the one including MOV is more accurate.
"You can't help them score points; they do that on their own."
Depends on what you’re trying to rank. As a predictor, the rankings with more information will always be better, barring some incorrect ad hoc piece that a human decided on.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
by AllSaintsDay on Oct 22, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't think the teams predicted to be best should necessarily be put in the championship game.
That undervalues winning. Theoretically, you could have two teams with the exact same schedule. One could go 12-0, and the other 1-11. If you put too much emphasis on MOV instead of wins, the 1-11 team could end up ranked higher. I’d rather see the 12-0 team in the championship game. Maybe their average MOV wasn’t as high, but they won their games, and that’s what should matter.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
see: margin of vicorty
Victories = + margin
So unless the team lost all 11 games by 1 point each, say the other team won every game by 1 point (12 total), then the 1-11 team would need at least 24 points more than their opp in their one win in order to possibly outscore the other team and even if that happened the ONLY way the 1-11 is ranked higher is if MOV is the ONLY factor. MOV clearly is not the only factor it is only part of the equation, the most important of which is Wins-Losses.
All that to say, your argument is dumb
Quack Quack Bitches.
Not really.
You still could EASILY have an 8-1 team out-MOV a 9-0 team in-conference (where notions of playing different schedules are moot)
Most of the time? No. But it’s well within the realm of possibility.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
The Oregon Ducks once took a delay of game penalty, just to see how it felt.
by AllSaintsDay on Oct 22, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
If MLB ran the World Series like the BCS..
the Yankees would be playing the Phillies right now. Or sometime next week.
She's a Cougar; he's a Duck.
Both agree: The Huskies Suck.
Ah, yes...
But the Rangers would have at least been able to play for fourth or fifth in the Fiesta Bowl!
;)
by JayinPortland on Oct 23, 2010 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions
it gives a balance between looking at wins only (computers) and looking at quality (humans).
Sorry, but I don’t need a fancy-pants computer algorithm to look at wins only.
The computers shouldn’t be in the rankings at all, in my opinion. There could be some kind of modest SOS adjustment based on an agreed-upon formula, and I think a MOV component that recognizes the difference between 6-3 and 60-13 could be created without overadjusting for blowouts.
But there’s not enough data now to come up with good computer rankings, and there won’t be until week 10 (at best). Why they insist on releasing the BCS standings in mid-October isn’t hard to understand, but it makes no sense from an evaluative perspective.
She's a Cougar; he's a Duck.
Both agree: The Huskies Suck.
All computers do is hum and get warm without programs.
The computer segment of the BCS is basically a pole of what six programmers (people) think. They assign weights to the various data calculations to come up with their numbers based on their prospective of “good and bad.” Kind of like marking a ballot, but takes much more time. Even if they tried to validate their results against historical data, it would only be valid if teams never changed styles and were all similar.
Speed Endurance Talent is how Track Town USA plays football. Win The Day
I agree... in concept...
But human voters are dumb as hell. I don’t fault them for not knowing all 120 teams, but they vote with inertia. They view raising and lowering as a form of rewards and penalties.
The polls that actually factor into the BCS standings has a group of people that have no way to make an intelligent and informed vote and it is full of inherited bias.
It’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-T-I-G-H-T-A-T-T-H-E-H-E-E-L"
If we had to choose, I'd rather ditch the humans and make it 100% computer.
But it’s totally true that computer rankings are worthless with only 6 or 7 games per team. With 12, they’re marginally good. I’ll take that marginally good over a bunch of biased voters.
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I think we should just hand it over to JuJu and let her pick.
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by Bill Musgrave on Oct 24, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
She already does.
I think we all know that…
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Rahim Moore, you're no John Boyett!
Well, “strength of schedule” can’t go into the computers. What the heck is that?
You put whatever data (who won & lost, possibly where or when) into the computer, and it figures out the strength of schedule for itself.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
by AllSaintsDay on Oct 22, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
The really disturbing thing is that only one of the computer rankings
even makes its formula public. That’s really a key issue, along with others as described here in NYTimes article..
by gamedaytribe on Oct 22, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
The guy that does the Massey Rankings for the BCS (Math teacher at a college about 30 min. from here) is coming to speak to one of my classes next week.
I get to interview him for our newspaper.
I hate to go all, um, namedrop on you guys, but I’m pretty interested in this.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 9:27 AM PDT reply actions
Ask him how his poll has us at 8.
Q: How come Oregon State players haven't gotten in trouble for stealing anything from a frat house?
A: Who wants to steal a lunchbox?
by QuackQuackAttack on Oct 22, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll see if I can at least get him to give me a general idea of what he uses and how much he values certain things.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Ask him if it's at all meaningful to release rankings halfway through the season.
If he says yes, ask him why.
She's a Cougar; he's a Duck.
Both agree: The Huskies Suck.
And to be fair, his real poll (which includes MOV and removes preseason bias) has us at #1.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Ask him if he has an opinion
On the situation with the BCS computer rankings having the restrictions they do regarding MOV.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
That should be really interesting
I would love to see a wrap up if your conversation with him is wrap up worthy.
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by trumpetduck on Oct 22, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll try to.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice writeup on the Ducks over at Burnt Orange Nation
Good read
It reminds me of how Matt Hinton writes about the Ducks. Today wasn’t the first time that Hinton, who lives in SEC territory, has called our offense the “Death machine”. I realize now that hen he writes that phrase he is looking at something that appears incredibly exotic, both because it IS incredibly exotic but also because Oregon is still a newcomer on the national stage, at least at the Serious-Contender-for-the-National-Championship level. To most of America, we are coming out of left field (literally the upper left hand corner of the map).
Well, it finally happened.
I have been banned from Bruin Nation.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
So you took a walk in a pasture
and you’re informing us that you stepped in a cowpie.
I don't think I did anything that bad either, all I did was this:
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Those guys really need to loosen up a little bit.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
It was the first quarter, the game wasn't out of hand yet
Just to clarify.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
and you would troll on their blog why?
by gamedaytribe on Oct 22, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I was simply trying to engage them in a little playful banter
I didn’t make any insults, or my team is awesome your team sucks type of comments.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
Wow. Are you serious?? Can you make that statement with a straight face?
I don’t want to be mean, but seriously, dude, that was a classless thing to do, was definitely trolling, and in no way can be defended. If an opponent fan had come over to ATQ and done that to us when we were getting trashed, I’d have been enraged too.
Just sayin’. This is why Duck fans get a reputation for being trashy. It reflects on all of us.
by gamedaytribe on Oct 22, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Really?
It was one statement, and they could have warned me. FWIW, I havn’t been been banned from any other blogs, because I am respectful when I’m there.
Also I think that if an opposing fan came over here and said GO BRUINS or whatever they say, nobody would be hurt by it. The difference is when people say stuff like “your team sucks.” That’s when it gors into the territory of trolling IMO. Like I said it was at the beginning of the game. I think the score was 7-0 ducks, and Oregon was on D. I think that if it really is that offensive to them that they could give a warning first.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
I'd just suggest you read the long thread that covered the whole Boise
trolling stuff — there was some really good advice there.
by gamedaytribe on Oct 22, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Trolling on UCLA's page after THAT game
is like walking down the halls of a children’s cancer hospital and pointing and laughing “you guys have no hair!”
...GO DOUG...
by Your Favorite Team's Favorite Team on Oct 22, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
It was the first Quarter
When the rout was on, I didn’t say anything else.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
Dude, I'm begging you
really. I think your idea of what’s ok and what’s not needs some readjustment. I don’t think you know how you’re coming across, and can’t place yourself in other people’s shoes. Try and understand. Ask yourself why you need to interact with them at all?
Unless you have a long-standing, good relationship with those people, it’s going to be taken badly. There are WSU and Husky fans who have long-standing relationships here on AtQ, and we’d treat something they said very differently from random stranger trolling.
Be decent. Please…
by gamedaytribe on Oct 22, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Dude, chill out.
Maybe I shouldn’t have made the comment, you’re right. But how does that mean I am unable to place myself in other people’s shoes? I can, and I do, but I am not a perfect man. I am reasonable though, and if somebody calls me out I can and do adjust my behavior. I have been over there and made comments before that were always respectful and I was well received. I also go to the Huskies blog, and others, and interact well, because I am nice, and behave appropriately when at other blogs.
I stopped commenting after the Ducks were clearly stomping them, because I didn’t want to come across like a jackass. I think they or you could look at the comments I have made in the past, then decide whether to warn or ban me. I can see why a person might get offended, but if a person has no reputation of going over there and being offensive, then maybe you simply give a warning and say, “hey don’t be a dick.” That’s fine. I can live with that. Of course it is their blog, and they can do what they want, and I’ll have to live with that too.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
yeah, sorry, didn't mean to imply you don't
just that you didn’t in that case.
by gamedaytribe on Oct 22, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
No worries
You don’t need to defend yourself, brother. If you don’t have a history of being a douche either here or on other sites, you shouldn’t worry. What you did, and when you did it, wasn’t bad. It was playful. I agree that it might not be the smartest thing to do in terms of an outsider’s perception of us, especially if you have no ongoing rapport with those you decide to poke; but really, it’s just a blog in the end, and people take themselves way too seriously.
First quarter, 7-0, we’re on D, having fun. I see no real foul, especially if you merely did it to facilitate legitimate and amiable discussions amongst a fan base that does little incite hate or dislike. If someone were to come on here in the opening quarter and cheerfully post Go Bruins, or Here we go Huskies, I would welcome it with alacrity, so long as the gloating isn’t followed by something foolish, offensive, or rude.
Cheers to a fellow Duck.
Wow.
Way to make the rest of us look bad. You could try being more mature and classy in the future if you decide to visit opposing blogs. That would be good.
Calm down, people. I agree with most others that it was probably a poor decision. Yeah, those guys are unreasonably uptight, but posting that won’t help them loosen up at all. And I can’t say that anyone coming over and posting that in our game thread would be treated by playful banter either.
But still, it’s one mistake. Don’t pile on. QuackinAK posts a lot of great comments over here and is a great member of this community. Let’s leave it be, shall we?
Defending maligned chants since 2009
He wasn’t even trash talking. He was fine. Seems like a lot of new people here are unsure of what trolling is.
That was my reaction as well.
Opposing fan going over to another blog does not equate to trolling.
It’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-T-I-G-H-T-A-T-T-H-E-H-E-E-L"
i picture it like this:
DuckinAK walks into an LA Sports Bar wearing his Ducks gear to watch the game. The game is 7-0 and the Bruins have the ball on offense. DuckinAK says, “Let’s go Ducks!” out loud.
But, people seem to be treating it like this:
DuckinAK walks into an LA Sports Bar wearing his Ducks gear to watch the game. The game is 7-0 and the Bruins have the ball on offense. DuckinAK says, “Fuck the Bruins!” out loud.
Wait, where's the punchline?
And isn’t there supposed to be a rabbi and priest in this joke somewhere?
ATQ's #1 Matt Daddy fan
After DuckinAK says "Fuck the Bruins"...
The rabbi and the priest each grab their own bear and do the nasty.
Hey, I’m CLASSY.
One day, my dogs will stop barking outside.
by Bill Musgrave on Oct 22, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Like I said, I can be reasonable
I’m sorry it wasn’t received well, in retrospect, I probably shouldn’t have pushed my luck (especially at BN). However, like I said, if people tell me to knock it off, I will, and I did. I wasn’t being insulting, it was a momentum situation, and our ducks stopped them, I was excited, and I simply pasted, and posted (since I had been posting the same thing over here).
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
I don't see any harm in what you did
Talking smack, using symbols or otherwise, is one of the things that renderes sports so entertaining. I have quit football messageboards that prohibited such simply because they are boring. Even John Berkowitz over at Teh Dawg Pound understands that. After the fuskies were thrashed by Nebraska, I went over there and wrote, “Hello Ladies, how was your day?” Gekko came unglued and lobbed some F bombs in my direction and it was HE, not ME who was warned. LOL!
If ya can't get your Dick Enright, get your Dick Harter!
Berkowtiz>>>>Nestor
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
What he told Gekko Mojo is..
Rough quote, “if you want to give the ducks shit, go to their blog to do it.”
You can thank me later :)
If ya can't get your Dick Enright, get your Dick Harter!
You're wrong
2/3 of the world is covered by water. The other third is covered by Cliff Harris.
Addicted to Quack
Is this an argument, or just contradiction?
One day, my dogs will stop barking outside.
by Bill Musgrave on Oct 23, 2010 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions
explain … because the way i see it, a friendly rivalry and a bit of smack talk makes the game more fun … if the smack talk turns nasty, that sucks, but it can be a lot of fun watching a game with fans of the other team, as long as things stay relatively civil
I can have tonnes of fun watching the Ducks kick ass while not hearing or dishing out smack talk.
Ça plane pour moi.
I don’t follow the NFL, but when the Cowboys lose, I always call a friend of mine up and I give him shit. It’s fun.
It’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-T-I-G-H-T-A-T-T-H-E-H-E-E-L"
Been calling a lot lately then, eh?
Axemen23 is a cat lady. - Brian
by Bill Musgrave on Oct 23, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
ESPNU is replaying the game right now
It’s still 0-0 in the 1st qtr.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
especially considering we ran off like 1:30 at the end of the game with kneel downs
2/3 of the world is covered by water. The other third is covered by Cliff Harris.
Addicted to Quack
What was the stat in the 1st half?
Chip took his foot off Costa’s gas in the 4th.
She's a Cougar; he's a Duck.
Both agree: The Huskies Suck.
Great game!
That was a lot of fun last night. It was also great to meet JConant and dveira at the AtQ tailgate, even though I was only able to be there very briefly. I loved seeing the bewildered CRN screencaps after the game.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
If I may be so bold...
…as to declare any and all discussion of Rankings- PORN, until Dec. 5th?
Sure it’s fun to discuss, but it’s getting us nowhere. We’re arguing with each other. We can’t control any of it. All we can do it cheer on more (JuJu willing…) wins.
I drank a giant glass of CK Kool-Aid last night (after drinking several in the past year or so) and I have achieved nirvana in not caring about the rankings.
Anyone else with me on this?
i can't believe you survived on this blog --
by axemen23 on Sep 2, 2010 9:06 PM PDT
I don't care so much about the rankings
but I’m still waiting for the other shoe to drop. LMJ lying on the field last night was way, way too reminiscent of 2007 for me. (PTSD much? Yes, I do, thank you.)
I mean listen, we’re sitting here talking about rankings, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we’re talking about rankings.
by HoodRiverDuck on Oct 22, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t bring myself to not care about the rankings. I want us to be #1 all the time. It’s fun. It’s exciting. And it’s not completely meaningless (as Chip Kelly said, if we were ranked #40, we probably wouldn’t have a shot to go to the NCG).
Anyway, that’s just me.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Speaking of Juju
Lil Juju (CaDuck) is going to need a new screen image come monday (anyone remeber Rahim Moore doing anything last night other than getting abused by Paulson, Maehl or Huiff? Good work Lil Juju.)
Here are my suggestions:
1. Barkley
2. Lane Kiffin
3. Monte Kiffin
4. Robert Woods
I’m leaning towards Barkley. Thoughts?
2/3 of the world is covered by water. The other third is covered by Cliff Harris.
Addicted to Quack
Definitely Barkley
I don’t see the Kiffens as much of a threat, and if Barkley has some kind of Heisman worthy night it could hurt us bad.
ATQ's #1 Matt Daddy fan
This
Sic’ing Juju on Kiffin might actually improve his performance. Kiffin’s got some weird stuff going on.
I think we have to go with Barkley. It worked last year.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Barkley for sure.
One Kiffin is an idiot, one Kiffin’s defense sucks, and Woods won’t be a factor if Barkley is jinxed.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
5. Layla Kiffin
Maybe she’ll get a pimple, or a bad hair day, or something. Should be just the edge we need.
I mean listen, we’re sitting here talking about rankings, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we’re talking about rankings.
by HoodRiverDuck on Oct 22, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Barkley, no question.
Barkley gon get Lil JuJued.
One day, my dogs will stop barking outside.
by Bill Musgrave on Oct 22, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, I'm with you that rankings = porn.
But I got lost when you implied that we shouldn’t discuss or care about porn.
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HATE POST
I hate the media. We looked great last night. We are playing fantastic. Chip Kelly is an amazing coach, but an even more impressive leader. Who would not march to battle against the Germans with him?
We know all that. We’ve known it since last year. We’ve known how impressive his offense is since he got here. We also are THEE fastest team in the country. There is not even a discussion about it. I keep hearing “one of thee,” but it is not even close and it is a function of our head coach being able to prepare and implement a PROGRAM and a SYSTEM that much better than yours. So it is nice to see the country turn its head and acknowledge collectively what we already know.
However, I HATE THE MEDIA. They ruin everything. I hate having to hear all the praise every ten seconds and fawning all over us. The crown rests uneasy on the champ specifically because of it. Will the real doubters stand up please? Did I miss them? LaHeisman wants to hear you doubt his legitmacy as a candidate; the oline wants to hear about Ohio State’s defensive line again; the defense wants to hear more Allowalotti talk. Motivation’s got to eat. It is like you know of this awesome restaurant and it is yours. It is sort of your secret, but you’re a nice guy/gal and want others to appreciate it and you certainly want the owners to succeed. So you tell all your friends and hey, maybe give it a blog post and now you can’t get a seat at the restaurant, and everybody is raving about it. It is no longer yours and all the sudden this restaurant from Portland called N icks F or L unch comes and hires the head chef and multiple other offers come from all over the place.
I sinned this morning. I read Canzano’s article. I actually agreed with him. We have looked great, but USC can make their season by beating us. The team simply cannot think it will ever or always be as easy as it was last night. Stay focused my friends. That is all, and may the ambience at Autzen never die and a fair weathered fan never be able to get a seat.
Seriously?
There are plenty of doubters out there still. Robert Smith was saying on Sportscenter that “the Ducks will lose at least one game”. Platschke in the LA Times wasn’t impressed. Its funny how before every opponent we face, doubters are coming up with tons of reasons why we will lose.
KU fans-how I hate thee!
GOOD!
STAND UP PLEASE! They are coming out of the woodwork. In the morning, there were none.
by Duckity_Duck on Oct 22, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
One guy on espn flat out said
that the Oregon defense is a “frawd,” and they “are weak on all three levels.” Something along the lines of small up front, out of position linebackers, and lousy coverage corners.
and lousy coverage corners
Cliff Harris disapproves.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
Man, I don't know if you couldn't sell me on the fact that he isn't one of the top 5 cover corners in the country.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I've be pedaling those wares for a year now.
2/3 of the world is covered by water. The other third is covered by Cliff Harris.
Addicted to Quack
can't do quotes from my phone but this was just tweeted...
OregonFootball Chip Kelly will be doing a live shot on ESPN College GameDay tomorrow a.m.
"David Paulson dropped a ball one time just to see what it felt like. But he didn't like it so he decided not to do it again." -Mark Asper
by Mill_Duck on Oct 22, 2010 12:53 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Rabble rabble rabble
@prehmmr Robert Smith calls Duck defense a fraud and says it with authority. Says Ducks are weak on all levels.
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
This is Ducks..
This is your motivation… the “we are the big boys and you are not mentaility” I love it…
by Duckity_Duck on Oct 22, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I watched it,
then had to rewind it and watch it again. I do not understand how a defense that forces 25 turnovers is weak on any level, let alone all of them
we’ll find out for sure this week. Defense was not good against Arizona State and we did just ok against Stanford, 2 good offensive teams in conference. Tennessee is not a good offensive team.
With USC and Arizona down the stretch, both teams in the top half of the conference offensively still remaining, I think we’ll learn a lot. Although we force a lot of turnovers (which I would say is a core reason why we’re still undefeated), I can see the argument that the defense is a fraud.
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
I say fuck Robert Smith, in an authoritarian tone
Self anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Rahim Moore, you're no John Boyett!
Rabble rabble rabble
Robert Smith = Hamburgler?
by F'n Duck on Oct 22, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec’d for the great childhood memory. Whatever happened to the Hamburgler and Grimace?? Ronald must have put a hit on them since he’s still around.
ATQ's #1 Matt Daddy fan
Life's great wonders: what exactly is a "Grimace"?
One day, my dogs will stop barking outside.
by Bill Musgrave on Oct 22, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Dear Dummy:
I knew who Grimace is / was, I wanted to hear theory about what he / she / it is.
Thank you,
Bill Musgrave, UOregon 1989, Bachelor of Grimace Studies
One day, my dogs will stop barking outside.
by Bill Musgrave on Oct 22, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well where the hell was your Sarcasm Font
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
Consider my always font to be my sarcasm font.
It will be true 99% of the time.
One day, my dogs will stop barking outside.
by Bill Musgrave on Oct 22, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah yes, I believe I met him at the Oregon Country Fair.
Everyone, PILE ON GRIMACE!!!
One day, my dogs will stop barking outside.
by Bill Musgrave on Oct 22, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, I have to tell a story
Back in the ’70’s, the OCF was full of nudity and open use of drugs. There was an organization called the Drug Information Center that promoted education about narcotics and other recreational drugs and had ties with a testing lab and would sometimes put out public alerts over bad crosstops or somthing…
They had a booth at the OCF and I helped staff it one year. High as hell hipsters would show us their stash regularly and ask for comments. One guy laid some Acid tabs out, said he’d just bought it and wanted to know if it was any good. I gave the standard reply, “Leave a couple here and come back in a few hours and we’ll let you know.” :)
If ya can't get your Dick Enright, get your Dick Harter!
I believe he’s Barney’s illegitimate mother.
It’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-T-I-G-H-T-A-T-T-H-E-H-E-E-L"
by JShufelt on Oct 23, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Looks like a husky fan
FUCK GRIMACE!
2/3 of the world is covered by water. The other third is covered by Cliff Harris.
Addicted to Quack
I new there was something wrong with that shit eating grin.
BAN GRIMACE!!!
PILE ON GRIMACE!!
One day, my dogs will stop barking outside.
by Bill Musgrave on Oct 23, 2010 5:46 AM PDT up reply actions
When he isnt critizing Oregons defense, he is appearnetly testifying before congress
Hamburglar Urges Senate Subcommittee To ’Robble Robble Robble
WASHINGTON, DC—Denouncing a prison system he described as “robble,” hamburger advocate and convicted felon Hamburglar addressed the Senate Subcommittee on Penal Reform Monday, demanding more humane conditions for the nation’s inmates. “Robble robble robble robble robble robble robble robble robble robble robble robble,” an emotional Hamburglar told the 12-member committee. “Robble robble robble robble robble. Robble robble robble robble robble robble: Robble robble.” Reaction to the speech was mixed. “Certainly there is room for improvement in our penal system,” U.S. Sen. Bob Smith (R-NH) said. “But I would hardly call the current situation ‘robble.’”
by F'n Duck on Oct 22, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Loved it, must be the Onion. Rec'd.
One day, my dogs will stop barking outside.
by Bill Musgrave on Oct 23, 2010 5:47 AM PDT up reply actions
New Committ!
2011 linebacker Carlyle Garrick
Here is a link to Prehm’s post
http://oregon.247sports.com/Article/Ducks-land-commitment-from-defensive-player-3797
We are awesome
“My visit was awesome, the game was awesome, the team is awesome, the stadium and weight room is insane,” said Garrick. “Oregon is clearly ahead of any other school in the league and going here is a dream come true.”
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I'm sure last nights game, like last years USC game, had significant impact on visiting recruits
Just fun games and electric atmosphere
rivals says outside linebacker
youtube says wr/s
espn says safety
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkAS3BfTW5M
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Carlyle-Garrick-119550
http://insider.espn.go.com/college-football/recruiting/player?id=115097&slug=carlyle-garrick&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fcollege-football%2frecruiting%2fplayer%3fid%3d115097%26_slug_%3dcarlyle-garrick
#88
he also runs
http://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/Athlete.aspx?AID=812466
if anyone has any real info on this kid, it would be appreciated. never even heard of him unitl 20 min ago
#88
i see
I just dont understand why he doesnt even have a position. do mayn hs wr/cb/s move over to linebacker? I seen he got some recognition as a wr and track, and neither of those make me think d1 lb
#88
Sounds like he was recruited for Defense
Oh darn another athletic LB/Safety. What ever shall we do?
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move him to RB or WR
that seems to work well with Safeties.
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
According to Biggins, he is under the radar after undergoing his second ACL surgery. Sounds like he’ll fit right in.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
sum up the pay info
“crowd support was amazing. Coach Aliotti recruiting me …”
Prior to his knee injury, Garrick got interested from a lot of schools
Ducks, Air Force only offers
#88
Ha, now we're recruiting guys with ACL issues, not waiting until they get here.
One day, my dogs will stop barking outside.
by Bill Musgrave on Oct 22, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Robert May is calling Oregon's Defense a fraud
on 1st and 10.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
Does it matter?
We just dropped 60, after pulling up, against a team that basically shut out Texas in Texas. No team can keep up with our offense so does it matter even if our defense is a fraud? Which, in my opinion, it is not.
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You mean Robert Smith on College Football Live?
Yeah, what a chump….he said that he saw linebackers out of position>>>>
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA
I'm confused
is “in the backfield” not a position on the field?
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
Chris Dufresne talks about Oregon's practice, the fucla game, conference division, etc on Dan Patrick Show
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatrick/listenlive.player.html
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA
Bill Simmons is probably the most annoying personality that ESPN has.
I flipped on ESPN when I got home just for the hell of it, and upon hearing the guy talk for about 5 minutes on PTI, I was highly annoyed.
Check that, Adelson is a bit worse.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 2:47 PM PDT reply actions
how many undefeateds will be left standing next week?
I say 7 with only oklahoma st losing
most possible=8
least possible= 3
certain- oregon(60-13 win)
likely- utah(colorado state); fbsu(louisiana tech)
questionable-tcu (airforce); oklahoma st(nebraska); michigan st(northwestern);
playing another unfeated. oklahomamissouri; lsu@auburn;
#88
At least 2 undefeateds HAVE to lose tomorrow.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
i meant in terms of an unbeaten auburn jumping an unbeaten oregon
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
You mean....you mean....BUTT?!
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
me thinks it was more directed at the obvious innuendo
but when I heard “free parking in the rear” I lost it
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
Dr Saturday takes a look @ the duck playcards link
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
Tacoi Sumler just posted this on facebook:
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT! T-Smooth telling everybody to be safe this weekend. I know its a lot of homecoming parties and events going on and i aint telling ya not to have fun, but do it the right way! Life is too precious and is getting shorter by the second… G! I dont wanna read bout none of yall in the newspaper tomorrow. So be safe and Gob Bless. T-Smooth bout to get his grub on
Liking him already. Shows maturity.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 3:46 PM PDT reply actions
Referring to oneself as “T-Smooth” in the third person is basically my definition of maturity.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
by Gorbachav5 on Oct 22, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I dont know what you're talking about
T-Porn going to get his chili dipped in 30.
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
Says the one that almost refers to himself as a commie leader.
It’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-T-I-G-H-T-A-T-T-H-E-H-E-E-L"
Yeah, and I'm the curmudgeon.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
No, you're Brian.
One day, my dogs will stop barking outside.
by Bill Musgrave on Oct 22, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I forget that joke.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
New kindler, gentler nickname, here I'll give you one too.
You shall be Dickhead.
One day, my dogs will stop barking outside.
by Bill Musgrave on Oct 22, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, go with that, Dickhead.
One day, my dogs will stop barking outside.
by Bill Musgrave on Oct 22, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
From Ted Miller's mailbag
Amalgam from Venus writes: Pundit X said this about Oregon. Would you tell him he/she is stupid?
Ted Miller: I won’t. Sorry.
But here’s a bag of reality for some of the common tweaks you might hear about Oregon.
Note: These are not opinions. They are reality. To dispute them is the right of anyone. There is no law against being ignorant.
Oregon is not good on defense: This is a position for someone unfamiliar with meaningful numbers that prove the opposite. It’s a lazy take — as in, “I’m going to take a contrarian position against Oregon’s national standing; what should I say? I know! I’ll say something about the defense!” Is Oregon’s defense as good as LSU’s? No. But it’s one of the best 25 in the country.
The Pac-10 is soft: The Pac-10 went 10-4 vs. every other BCS conference with USC’s annual victory against Notre Dame shortly to make it 11-4. Heck, Arizona State gave Wisconsin more trouble than Ohio State did. There is nothing that would qualify as actual “evidence” to support the notion of Pac-10 softness. It’s just something trolls or lazy analysts say.
Oregon uses a gimmick offense: Right. Chip Kelly’s been doing his thing in Eugene since 2007 and the numbers are getting better, not worse. Kelly’s offense is a gimmick just as Apple’s artful sense of design is a gimmick.
The uniforms are weird: The uniforms are weird.
I laughed out loud. Perfect ending to a great answer
The uniforms are weird: The uniforms are weird.
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
I liked
him calling it lazy to say our defense in bad.
Especially in light of Robert Smiths comments.
He should add
But they don’t control the ball because our TOP is near dead last in the country.
Reality: Who needs ball control when you have 30+ TD drives this year that take less than 3 minutes.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Oh we control the ball
We just spend most of the game letting the other team borrow it. How nice is Chip?
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by trumpetduck on Oct 22, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chip is VERY nice. He'll even call a timeout or two in order to ensure that you get another play or two in the first half.
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA
Ball Control
Is very important if you can’t score. Or build your game plan around holding the other team below 20 points. That’s not our plan, we can give up 14 or 21 points and feel very good. In fact, we can give up 30 points and walk away with a 3 TD victory.
Chip Kelly has a vision, the coaches have a plan, and thus far it’s resulted in big wins. I’m still damn surprised to see our turnover margin at #1 in the nation, especially considering how Mr. Head handled the ball last season. If we were in the SEC with the exact same numbers those pundits would say “Well you can debate all you want, but when you win by that much, and you have more takeaways than anyone else in the nation, you can’t argue that the defense isn’t good. They have S-E-C speed!!!”
Oh man, the snaps from Holmes and the ball security from Thomas have been excellent. Mr. Head put the ball on the ground two times a game last season. Fumbles take years of my life away.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
It’s a nice change. I’d still like to see how well DT throws the deep ball (the touch pass as opposed to the Bret Favre Special) but so far he seems to be doing well with decision making, and not letting them snowball into larger problems. I was really impressed last night with how many times he simply threw it away when things looked bad. I don’t remember Masoli EVER chucking it into the stands if there’s pressure and his read isn’t open.
I also like that when he runs
Thomas will duck out of bounds rather than take an unnecessary hit for an extra 2-3 yards.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
im sorry you need specifics to understand
in a game means during a game, a football game is 4 qtrs. each qtr makes up a part of the game. it is my hope, that if the university of oregon football team is within 10 points of the other team after halftime, that thomas(the quarterback) will take an unnecessary hit to get a few extra yards.
If you dont understand this, im sorry i wont explain anymore and you should probably just become a fan of boise state or washington
#88
See why Nebraska lost
So many fumbled snaps.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
The reason for the TO margin
Is that once we get ahead, teams panic and make stupid mistakes, resulting in turnovers.
Also, we’ve had no snap issues this year.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Today, in class, we were discussing issues that affect serial killers, and Ted Bundy came up.
I wanted to say it.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 5:53 PM PDT reply actions
Nobody would've understood...
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Dear Ntrebon,
Please don’t party too hard tonight. you need your typing fingers tomorrow
Sincerely,
The rest of the ATQ staff
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
If the Yankees come back to win, you're soooo gonna get banned.
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Welcome to the club, Cody Ross. You can stay at my house.
And it would be a just punishment
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"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
Poetic justice that A-Rod struck out to send the Rangers to the WS.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 8:21 PM PDT reply actions
I'm pretty sure $252 Millon buys a lot of country club memberships
and A-rod can start using those tomorrow :D
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
Justice would have been him striking out to send the Mariners to the WS
Sadly, the Mariners in the WS will never happen
--Dave
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It's LaMichael's birthday.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 8:28 PM PDT reply actions
So as a RS Sophomore, he's 21?
be safe tonight LMJ
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
OT, but semi-important: Let's all pitch in our nickels to help buy a sign for the ATQ tailgate tent.
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA
It wouldn't take that much
just something we can hang from the horns of Dom’s viking helmet
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
We’ve already been in talks about doing that.
It’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-T-I-G-H-T-A-T-T-H-E-H-E-E-L"
Should we form a committee? Call in Commissioner Larry Scott? What is the next step?
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA
by Famous Duck on Oct 23, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
OT question
Why does Conquest Chronicles get such little traffic? Huge game coming up and they’re coming off a dominant win…
If ya can't get your Dick Enright, get your Dick Harter!
as soon as their team hit sanctions and suck-ville
all the fair weather fans left for the hills (which means 90% of their fan base).
2/3 of the world is covered by water. The other third is covered by Cliff Harris.
Addicted to Quack
I'm thinking there will be a fair amount of green and yellow in the Coliseum.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Not so sure
The Cal game was pretty loud for the Trojans. Make no mistake, this is going to be an amped up USC crowd (we’ll see if gameday makes it there too). I really think that USC looks at this game like it’s their bowl game. #1 coming to their house, after what we did to them last year… should be fun.
If there’s green it will be in the upper levels.
2/3 of the world is covered by water. The other third is covered by Cliff Harris.
Addicted to Quack
Yeah, a fair amount.
Not a ton, but a decent showing.
I have a hunch that Gameday will be there. It is indeed USC’s bowl game.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 22, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
The comment about Terrelle Pryor here made me laugh, then cry.
I feel like I should say something smart.
Found an incredible football statistics Website - Apologize if this is already common knowledge
http://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/stats/
They have a ridiculous amount of different sortable stats.
Listening to the And The Valley Shook pre-Auburn podcast, and they get to the pick-em part:
“As you can imagine, the Oregon-UCLA game is not on the docket this week.”
“Thank God, ‘cause Oregon’s kicking their butt.”
“It’s only 22-3. It’s not even halftime yet.”
“Yeah, exactly.”
“Well compared to what Oregon games usually look like, UCLA’s holding em pretty tough.”
Ahh, respect.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
The Oregon Ducks once took a delay of game penalty, just to see how it felt.
I read through about half of the 1300 comments on the EDSBS game thread from last night. That was pretty darn entertaining. Other than some perceived running up the score by Kelly, most of them were very complimentary of Oregon’s team.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Yeah, I went through the whole thing. That was quite a bit of fun.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
The Oregon Ducks once took a delay of game penalty, just to see how it felt.
by AllSaintsDay on Oct 23, 2010 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions
link to CK’s talk on Scott van Pelt Show this morning. lots of entertaining poster board talk.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd=1#/podcenter/?autoplay=1&callsign=ESPNRADIO&id=5715516
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
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