Brother v. Brother: Crazy about the Mad Hatters; TCU? Not so much
Everyone has an arch nemesis. Mine just happens to be my older brother. But our mutual hatred (okay, maybe that's an exaggeration) has led to many an entertaining discussion through the years. And because much of the debate has centered on college sports, it seems only appropriate we take these debates to the blogosphere to settle them once and for all. (I mean, who wouldn't want public affirmation that Big Bro's always wrong and I'm always right?) Here's your weekly ATQ Blogger Debate, affectionately known as Sh*t My Brother Says.
GrumpyJDH: So I noticed, Paully, you've kicked things off pretty much every week since we started this little virtual tete-a-tete. I know the blog was your idea and you wrote the intro and you're impossibly insecure and all that, but...how about giving Big Bro a chance to get the first jab in for once, huh? Here goes: what were you thinking going against the Horned Frogs? No, that's not the first question of the week. It's my way of saying don't quit your day job and move to Vegas anytime soon.
PaulSF: Touché, broseph. Is this the part where I change the subject to your abysmal fantasy football team? I won't go there. Yes, I picked Utah to beat TCU. Yes, I was absolutely wrong. Maybe it was wishful thinking. Maybe I wanted one of our new Pac-12 members to finish its tenure as a non-AQ team with a bang. Alas, I didn't get my wish. TCU looked absolutely dominant in their 47-7 win over the Utes. And now that Alabama lost to LSU, there's a decent chance we're playing the Horned Frogs in the National Championship, rather than an SEC team.
GrumpyJDH: Well, since you went there and begged that doozy of a question, here's a follow-up: (1) would it be a good thing or a bad thing for the Ducks to face a non-AQ school if we make it to Glendale?
PaulSF: What do sex, pizza, and national title opponents have in common, Joe? Even when they're bad, they're still pretty damned good. Obviously, playing an SEC opponent like Auburn would be my first choice. But TCU is no doubt a worthy adversary. Besides, why quibble over who we're going to play in the national championship? It's the national championship, Joe!! I think I'll be content with whatever the BCS system throws at us.
GrumpyJDH: My little brother, ladies and gentleman: a man of discriminating tastes. There's no doubt in my mind the boys from Fort Worth would prove to be up for the challenge; nevertheless, we've waited our whole lives to get a shot on the biggest stage against the biggest boys, and...well, TCU just isn't them. No offense to the plucky Horned Frogs, of course, but playing them would feel like intramurals compared to a varsity contest against Auburn or LSU. This ain't intramurals, brother.
PaulSF: You're right, Joe. We have been waiting our whole lives for this. Which is a SIGNIFICANTLY longer amount of time for you, so I can see why you're being so selective. By the way, are we talking about the same LSU team we're matched up with at next year's Cowboys Classic in Dallas? Can you imagine the storylines? We'd have the opportunity to beat the Bayou Bengals twice...in the same YEAR! And, if you don't think it can happen, think again (ESPN Insider access required). Plus, who wouldn't want to see Chip Kelly go mano y mano with the Mad Hatter? One guy's an unconventional genius. The other is...well, he's certainly unconventional, isn't he?
GrumpyJDH: You're talking about the other Tigers like they're not even in the room, Paully. Maybe we're overreacting to Jeremiah...er, Cam Newton's fall from grace? By the way, (2) what's your take on the Heisman frontrunner's distracting shenanigans? Does it affect Auburn's chances at a national title shot and, by association, Newton's chances for the coveted award?
PaulSF: You must be referring to the son of a preacher man who transferred from Florida after being found guilty of stealing a laptop (how unoriginal), as well as the more recent allegations stemming from his recruitment and his alleged cheating in the classroom. No, I don't think it's going to hurt Auburn's chances at a national title, but I definitely think it could sway Heisman voters away from Newton. That said, if Auburn wins out, I still think he wins the award. That's how far ahead he is right now.
GrumpyJDH: To be fair, he's now claiming he only purchased a stolen laptop. Still, would the Heisman committee even touch the kid with the Reggie Bush debacle fresh in their minds? I'm thinking no chance. The bigger question is whether this leads to any sort of on-field fallout. The Auburn powers-that-be aren't even close to going there, but...anyone know who the Tigers' backup is?
PaulSF: Speaking of backups, how bad do you feel for Nate Costa? The guy is the consummate team player. He's battled back from three major knee injuries, has fought for the starting spot multiple times, and then, after losing the starting job to Darron Thomas this fall, didn't complain and even filled in quite nicely when Thomas went down in Pullman. And after all of that, he re-injures the knee on a throw-away play and is out for the season. What a travesty. But in true Nate Costa fashion, let's put his injury in the context of the team: (3) Is Costa's injury much of a concern for the Ducks heading into the final stretch?
GrumpyJDH: Cause for panic? No. Cause for alarm? Does the name "Brady Leaf" mean anything to you? If I'm Chip Kelly, I'm strongly considering burning true freshman Bryan Bennett's redshirt and getting him some real game experience over the next three weeks. If you end up needing him (God forbid), you don't want him taking his first snaps when it really matters. The only other alternative is the already experienced Daryle Hawkins, who seems like a more talented version of Chris Harper (all legs, no arm). Otherwise, wouldn't he have been tagged as the new #2?
PaulSF: Good point, although aside from being one-dimensional, Hawkins definitely has the tools to fill in if necessary. But he's no Darron Thomas. I think Bennett's promotion is a tip of the hat to his incredible spring.
All this talk of depth has me thinking about the Oregon hoops squad, which, incidentally, has none. The Ducks open the season Friday night against North Dakota State with a new coach, a new arena (in a few short months) and what looks like an entirely new roster. After what has ultimately turned out to be a worst-case-scenario offseason in the aftermath of Ernie's Kent's firing, (4) what's the over/under for Duck victories this season?
GrumpyJDH: Well, that new floor sure looks amazing, doesn't it? Maybe it will induce vertigo and our opponents will forget how to play basketball when they visit Eugene. Let's hope so because...wait, why are we talking about basketball again? Eight. That's my answer, depressing as it is. You know what won't be depressing? Watching the Ducks in Strawberry Canyon this weekend with my Best Friend Brother. Before we get to the prediction, (5) where are we eating dinner after the big win, here, here, or here?
PaulSF: You buyin'? If so, here. Alright, Big Bro. You ready to take this one home?
GrumpyJDH: I'm already home, Paully. You're the one living in enemy territory.
PaulSF: Yeah, yeah...let's have it. What are the cheapskates on Tightwad Hill going to see on the scoreboard through their binoculars when the clock strikes 0:00?
GrumpyJDH: This game scared the daylights out of me three weeks ago and even Herbie mentioned it as a potential pitfall as we walked off the LA Coliseum turf a week and a half ago. That said, Nevada basically destroyed the "vaunted" Bears D back at the beginning of the year and our offense, aside from being similarly confusing, is also a tad more explosive. I just don't see them stopping us now that we've had our wake-up call (thanks, Dawgs). Ignore the sharps, lay the 19.5 (seriously?), and watch the Ducks roll 52-21.
PaulSF: We haven't won in Berkeley since 2001. The Bears are 4-0 at home this year winning by a combined score of 189-34. LaMichael James is on the front cover of SI. And even with all the overwhelming evidence suggesting we're going to fall prey to a relatively talented Cal team, I still think we'll win going away and dedicate the victory to Nate Costa. Oregon 52, Cal 17.
See you in three days, Big Bro, and the rest of you next week.
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Correction.
Nate Costa did not re-injure his left knee, but rather injured the right knee. He had not injured his right knee until this year.
Addicted To Quack. If you’re not into the whole brevity thing.
You have got to be kidding me.
A year will pass, and then nate will win the lottery, just before he is discovered to be the next Harrison Ford, but after he stumbles on the cure for cancer.
He fucking deserves it.
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by Bill Musgrave on Nov 10, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
Unintentional comedy
I actually laughed when I read your comment, Paully. I mean, the kid’s luck is pretty much a joke at this point, isn’t it?
I love football. I'm takin' that as a compliment.
His luck is strikingly similar to...
…yours in fantasy sports. ZING!
Addicted To Quack. If you’re not into the whole brevity thing.
Rather play Auburn
just in case the unthinkable happens, I don’t want to be an answer to a trivia question “Who was the team that lost to the first Non-AQ National Champion?”
I credit my urine for the victory.
I want to play a team from the SEC if we're fortunate enough to make the title game...
But I think that team that provides the best test for the Ducks is TCU. Now that ’Bama has proven to be a sham on offense, they are the most balanced team around. They have an offense that is incredibly dangerous, and a defense that is dominating.
While Auburn is a very good football team, I think that Oregon is designed to take down a team like Auburn. You cannot take down Oregon unless you get consistent stops, and I don’t think Auburn can come even close to that. Their defense is simply not very good.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Speaking of potential Auburn-Oregon matchup...
I agree with Ted Miller’s take.
So if we ended up with an Oregon-Auburn national title game, my guess is the Tigers would go TD for TD with the Ducks in the first half, then the Ducks would pour it on late for a 50-35 win.
I think that Oregon is set up so that they’ll give up yards to a lot of teams that you generally think they won’t, but they’re also going to get a decent number of stops against offenses you don’t think that they should. They will get stops against Auburn. Far more than Auburn gets.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
What if we play Auburn
but Cam Newton is suspended? Would it be a hollow victory?
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
I doubt the NCAA is going to upset teh apple cart this late in the season
Look how long they let the USC investigation drag out. I believe much of the delay was due to pressure from the USC and the powers to be.
I could be wrong, but i think they’ll let him play out the year and then next season they would force them to vacate the wins if all this turns out to be true.
Its all about the almighty dollar.
Stick your Duck in a Trojan, they burst under pressure.
They announced on ESPN Radio this morning
that the NCAA will be making a report about the Cam Newton investigation the day before the SEC title game. I don’t have any links to back that up, just heard it on the radio on the way home this morning on one of the talk shows.
"David Paulson dropped a ball one time just to see what it felt like. But he didn't like it so he decided not to do it again." -Mark Asper
Or, if we play Auburn, Cam Newton is exactly the kind of weapon I'm most worried about.
See T. Pryor from the year before, and Newton is a better passer. We are better on D this year, but we had Pryor bottled up many times and he just ran through or around us.
Anyway, I think Auburn’s the matchup I’d most like to see, and I think we’d be up for the challenge, but I do think a big mobile QB of that upper tier talent like Newton could give us problems.
Maybe that’s just a fact for anyone, if he’s indeed that good.
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by Bill Musgrave on Nov 10, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
Considering that Newton is bigger than half of our D line
Yeah, I’m worried about that too.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
Ohio State’s Defense Playing against Masoli >>>>>>>>>>>> Auburn’s Defense Playing against Thomas
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I don't disagree.
Just think Newton might be a big challenge.
Axemen23 is a cat lady. - Brian
by Bill Musgrave on Nov 11, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Newton would definitely be a big challenge. But I don’t think he’d be impossible to stop. We’d give up a ton of yards and points, but the defense is built to get stops. High risk, high reward.
And since Auburn’s defense is below average, I think that there would be little pressure on the defense to get stops immediately. And if they came, it would be crushing.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
first, can I say that the brother bit is the best thing on any Pac 10 blog
… You guys are great.
I agree with the grumpy one – playing TCU is a no win situation – win it, and there is an asterisk. Lose it and… Could you imagine the reaction from the east coast snots? If you make it, I hope you get an AQ.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
by Gekko Mojo on Nov 10, 2010 5:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Couldn't agree more
TCU’s the real deal. That isn’t why I wanna duck them, so to speak. I just don’t think you get any credit whatsoever for beating them…which you might not. Guess we see how it plays out, huh?
I love football. I'm takin' that as a compliment.
This is my exact argument against playing Boise State again. So much to lose, nothing to gain
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
I really don't want to play TCU or Boise St if we make it to that one game...
Remember folks, the computers are crazy. Who knows what happens with those stupid things once Boise plays Nevada and pounds them into the ground (praying the Wolfpack can pull off the upset but highly doubt it). Either way it is a lose-lose. Win and it was only 3/4 as legit. Lose and you are the laughing stock of national sportscasters and blogospherians across the world. That all being said; I am really not liking all this talk being verbaged as who will we play? There is a hell of a lot of football left my friends. Lets at least get past this weekends game first.
by NICKPAPAGEORGIOTHEDUCK on Nov 10, 2010 4:11 PM PST reply actions
We definitely won't be playing Boise St.
Highly doubtful they jump TCU if Auburn loses and we win out.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
well that's good
The last thing I want to see is those little fucking smurfs running around like they own the place. If we beat them they would be all like “Yeah but we beat you the last two times,” and if they beat us they would be all like “We just won the super bowl” and now we’re going to go get sodomized by Mickey Mouse at Disneyland."…….or something along those lines. Sorry about that, I just really hate Boise St!
by NICKPAPAGEORGIOTHEDUCK on Nov 10, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know about this.
BSU still plays Nevada, and the game is on after both Oregon and Auburn play on a Friday night. In fact, they play three straight Friday night games. TCU only plays two more games, with a bye week, one of them against New Mexico. Further, Jerry Palm, of collegeBCS.com says BSU will pass TCU in the computers by year’s end.
I heart taxes.
Logic may rear its ugly head
Chad Cripe of the Idaho Statesman made some interesting observations as he asked the question why do people think TCU is better than Boise (other than they just rolled Utah)
While I was watching the "BCS Countdown" show Sunday night, Kirk Herbstreit and my dad made the same point at the same time — what has TCU done this year to make people think the Horned Frogs are better than last year, when they lost to the Broncos in the Fiesta Bowl?
And if you break down the numbers, it’s clear. While the Horned Frogs have been slightly more impressive this year against a schedule that ranks the same as last year, the Broncos have been far more impressive than last year against a schedule that ranks significantly higher than last year.
Here are the highlights:
— Boise State’s yardage margin (total offense minus total defense) is 312 yards this year — a 108 percent increase over last year. TCU’s yardage margin is 277 yards, a 28 percent increase.
— Boise State’s scoring margin is 34.4 points per game, a 37 percent increase. TCU’s scoring margin is 32.9, a 29 percent increase.
— Boise State has made larger gains than TCU in rushing offense, total offense, scoring offense, rush defense, total defense, scoring defense and sacks.
— Boise State quarterback Kellen Moore has improved his efficiency rating by 30.73 points — or 19 percent. That’s particularly impressive because Moore finished No. 2 in the nation last year. TCU quarterback Andy Dalton’s rating is up 9.8 percent.
— Boise State’s big wins in 2009 and 2010 are similar — the Broncos were more dominant against Oregon in 2009, but they beat Virginia Tech on the road. TCU’s big wins are similar, too — they crushed Utah this year and crushed Utah and BYU last year.
— Boise State’s most-criticized performance last year was a seven-point win at Tulsa. Its most-criticized performance this year was a 29-point win against Louisiana Tech, a game the Broncos led by 36 when the starters left. TCU’s most-criticized win last year was a three-point decision at Air Force. Its most criticized win this year was a 17-point decision at SMU.
— And, finally, TCU’s schedule ranks 62nd in the Sagarin Ratings. Its schedule was 60th last year. Boise State’s schedule currently ranks 72nd. Its schedule ranked 96th last year. In fact, the Broncos’ schedule this year is projected to finish ahead of TCU’s.
The point: If Boise State was the better team in January, when the Broncos won the Fiesta Bowl, and it’s the more improved team this year, what makes so many people think the Horned Frogs are the better team this year?
Read more: http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2010/11/10/ccripe/numbers_indicate_boise_state_has_improved
Clear Eyes. Full Hearts. Can't Lose!
by flyfishferg on Nov 11, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That article was written by a Boise newspaper writer?!? I never would have guessed.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Nov 11, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
If You Win, Who Cares
If you win the game, ten years from now, heck, the next day, no one will care who you beat. All that anyone will remember is that you won the national championship. On the other hand, there is no shame to losing to Auburn; however, if you were to lose to TCU, you would never ever be able to live that down.
Does LSU still have a shot???
Let’s say, for argument’s sake, that Cam is determined to be ineligible and Auburn has to vacate wins. Would they go down as wins for their opponents, like a forfeit, or just erased? LSU would be either 8-0 or 9-0 (if they’re forfeits). Wouldn’t that jump them ahead of BSU and TCU into the #2 spot? If the remaining pieces of the turd hit the fan before the SEC title game, wouldn’t LSU get in as being ‘undefeated’??? Could we have a possible undefeated Oregon vs undefeated* LSU for a NC game?
A lot of people are saying if all the Cam stuff is true, their wins will be most likely be vacated and the loss will still be on our (LSU) record.
I am not sure even if we win out (12-1)—tall order with OM and Ark still left and CCG after that—this year, we would get there—NCG. If we do win out, I think we should go ahead of the Boise’s of the world and if we do, I hate to admit it, I think we will lose if Oregon plays like they have all year. If Oregon wins out—I see this happening— I think the only teams that would have a chance of beating Oregon in the NCG this year are Auburn and Stanford. Cam ran up and down the field on us (217 yards) and we have a good defense, but he is a good passer and also they have two other very good backs.
I think if there is no fire (a whole lot of smoke at the moment), I think Auburn wins out also and then those two offenses (AU and OU) would probably make the most exciting title game to date with either team needing forty to win I’m thinking. If Boise gets there, I see Oregon steamrolling them, but that one would be intriguing with the history there. LSU vs Oregon for real in Dallas next year: that’s a pretty cool way to start the season.
"Wally: [going home in a taxicab] I treated myself to a taxi. I rode home through the city streets. There wasn't a street, there wasn't a building, that wasn't connected to some memory in my mind. There, I was buying a suit with my father. There, I was having an ice cream soda after school. And when I finally came in, Debbie was home from work, and I told her everything about my dinner with Andre."
From the movie "My Dinner with Andre"
Damn skippy
The brothers will be there, no question. Best of luck the rest of the way. ’Bout to get real crazy, I suspect.
I love football. I'm takin' that as a compliment.
IIRC
A vacated win does not equate to a vacated loss.
i.e. – Auburn would not get to count their wins, but it would their opponents do not get to change their record
"First, ‘vacation’ means the only record changed is that of the offending institution. It’s a one‑sided thing. It’s not a forfeiture. It does not benefit a win to the other side."
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/NCAA/Sports+and+Championship/Football/Playing+Rules/index
Yeah, Im pretty sure Im going to that game next year in Dallas
Go to school in the Caribbean right now with some kids who went to LSU and we are gonna go party that weekend. That’s a long ways off though. We need to just Panic about Cal right now
by NICKPAPAGEORGIOTHEDUCK on Nov 11, 2010 5:57 AM PST reply actions
PANIC
About Cal right now. Yup.
College--the best nine years of my life
by AZDeadHeadDuck on Nov 11, 2010 7:15 AM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure I'm going to that game next year.
We’ll more like absofuckinlutely sure, 187% sure I’m going.
Axemen23 is a cat lady. - Brian
by Bill Musgrave on Nov 11, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Going to that game!
Will have graduated daughter from law school in Austin, son home from Afghanistan rotation and new grandchild—all in Texas and just down the road—for Texas, that is.
College--the best nine years of my life
by AZDeadHeadDuck on Nov 13, 2010 5:59 AM PST up reply actions

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