Quack Fix: Altman Hatches a Top-20 Class; Bennett, Radcliffe & Bears, Oh My!
by JConant on Nov 11, 2010 8:01 AM PST
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PrintNo disrespect intended towards Cal, but today we're gonna lead with some hoops.
We're gonna lead with some hoops because what happened yesterday - albeit expected - is nothing short of amazing, when you consider the shambles left in the wake of Ernie Kent's firing. Dana Altman had a lot to sell: playing time, resurrecting a program that was a conference contender just a few years ago, an amazing new facility, new staff, new offense and a rabid fan base sure to embrace anyone wearing the green and yellow. Sell he did, signing four quality players in what was ranked the no. 19 class by Rivals and no. 18 by ESPN. Well done, sir. Well done.
- R-G UO hoops beat writer Bob Clark with the rundown of Oregon's LOI-day coup: Jabari Brown, Bruce Barron, Brett Kingma and Austin Kuemper.
- John Hunt of The Oregonian provides brief profiles for each new Duck.
- Paul Westhead also landed four new recruits, receiving LOIs from two guards and two forwards...I'm guessing they can all run and shoot. And...Jim Moore hopes to continue Oregon's rise in the volleyball ranks with three new recruits, including Oregon's Gatorade player of the year, Elizabeth Brenner from Jesuit H.S., and two talented California hitters.
- CGB's wise sage Avinash with one of the best "Chip Kelly and his offense" breakdowns ever. Excellent commentary and a huge dose of keeerrrttt1 videos. This should keep you busy all day.
- Cal will use depth to try and counter Oregon's speed and frantic pace. Question is, is Cal's depth talented enough or prepared enough to handle one of the nation's top offenses?
- John Hunt with a nice feature on Oregon conditioning guru Jim Radcliffe. I keep wondering when we'll see Radcliffe on the cover of ESPN the mag...I mean, all the guy is doing is revolutionizing the way college football is played.
- Brian Bennett has declared himself ready if needed. He has good reason for his confidence, and if your man crush on Bennett has been waning, you seriously need to look at how he responded to a similar situation in high school. Spoiler alert: even Matt Barkley and no. 1 ranked Mater Dei we're left in Bennett's wake.
- The legend of Chip Kelly continues to grow. People who get caught up in Chip's post-game interview demeanor with the press are missing the big picture.
- Rob Moseley's Wednesday practice report: injury list is short, Jackson Rice is holding placekicks and Rob Beard nailed a 54-yarder.
- Seattle Times writer Bud Withers on Oregon's assault on the Pac-10 record books.
You know the rules. Keeping good quack to yourself isn't allowed. Please support your fellow Duck fans and post anything good in the comments. Go Ducks...and thank you veterans.
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Just in case you ever start to feel sorry for USC and/or Lane Kiffin:
So why doesn’t Oregon get mentioned when folks talk about dominant offensive lines?
“They do a phenomenal job there of turning players into system-fit guys,” USC coach Lane Kiffin said. “I don’t think you have first-round picks on their line, guys the NFL is jumping all over. They played really, really fast in the system.”
Then Kiffin adds a bit of a zinger: “Obviously, it doesn’t help very much for the next level, because there’s no carryover in what they do.”
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/15776/oregon-linemen-not-just-beefcake
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
I feel sorrier for Washington
than I do for USC. I have no sympathy for them, or their douchebage coach, whatsoever.
KU fans-how I hate thee!
Is it possible USC is becoming our new U-dub? I don’t think so, but the more Kiffin speaks and the longer UW sucks, I could see the hatred shifting, at least some, toward USC.
In Chip I trust. In Nick, not so much.
As someone who lives in SoCal...
I can say without a doubt that i hate USC as much as UW. The icing on the cake was when they wore home colors to the Rose Bowl for the UCLA game in 2008 (many bruins in my family). Their lack of respect and pompous holy then thou attitude only shows they are utter douche bags.
Stick your Duck in a Trojan, they burst under pressure.
I don't think that was about lack of respect
I thought it was more about returning to tradition, when both teams would wear home jerseys. I found an article where Neuheisel said it was “exiting.” It looks like both teams wore home jerseys until 1982.
If I remember right, UCLA actually took a time-out after the opening kickoff to match the one time out the Trojans were penalized.
That was the message in front of the camera's
From the fans perspective, it was seen as a huge snub by the Trojans. Locally there was also word coming out at the time that USC wanted to start playing at the Rose Bowl (the contract with UCLA was expiring soon and the coliseum is in pretty bad shape). Neuheisel’s response actually lost him creditability with fans in LA.
After spending 10 years down here, I can say that hatred between USC and UCLA surpasses the hatred we have for UW. Primarily this is due to the fans though. I mean there have been stupid fans on both side between UW and UofO that leave a bad impression for either team. But I have seen more fights at USC/UCLA games then I care to mention.
Stick your Duck in a Trojan, they burst under pressure.
Then Kiffin adds a bit of a zinger: "Obviously, it doesn’t help very much for the next level, because there’s no carryover in what they do."
I really hate this attitude. If you have pro-level talent, you’ll get drafted.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Kiffin really is dumber than I ever possibly imagined.
Kiffin still has not learned his own personal golden rule. When he opens his mouth, stupid things come out.
Miller follows Kiffin’s assertion by calling Lane a dumbass…“masters of zone blocking, popular in the NFL…recent high draft picks Schwartz, Unger, Tupou…” Scoreboard baby!
In Chip I trust. In Nick, not so much.
Soounds like he is projecting to me.
I could say the same thing about his career. Fucking asshat.
But who would feel sorry for USC or Lane Kiffin? He is a total fuckwad who has done zero to earn his place as the leader in one of the most prestigious coaching gigs in the country. USC deserves everything they get these day, but they probably deserve more shit in my opinion. Nothing would please me more then USC spending the next 10 years in the depths of hell.
Did I mention I hate USC?
Stick your Duck in a Trojan, they burst under pressure.
Kiffin’s record as an NFL head coach speaks volumes on how much he knows about what will carry over.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
To be fair
He did coach the godawful Raiders.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Look at what Cable is doing now though
Kiffin was not a good NFL coach.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
Complaining about these types of comments make no sense.
The tone of the comment by Kifflin is, ‘they are really good, and these are the reasons I don’t think they get as much credit as they deserve.’
He is wrong about the carryover comment, but who cares?
I heart taxes.
fair enough.
But really, dedicating the top of the comments to bitching about a comment like this makes us sound like the whiny, bitchy, younger sister.
WAH, why won’t Lane Kifflin respect us unconditionally, WAH,
I heart taxes.
No, it's more like we are the older brother
Commanding respect from our little whiny brother after beating his ass. Instead, the little brother is still mouthing off and asking for it.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
Nobody’s bitching about anything. Kiffin is a douche and he says douchy things. What are we here for if not to call him out on it?
And the top of the comments aren’t some special section. It’s merely who gets their comment on first after the Fix comes up. NEP linked a nice piece about the Oregon o-line which happens to include Kiffin being stupid. I don’t understand the indignation.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
By this logic, why comment on anything? As Gorby said, no one was bitching about anything. Kiffin said something dumb, and people responded.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Someone get the discussion on irony out again.
Commenting on a comment, in which the comment was based on someone else’s comment.
PILING ON!
But seriously, it’s like that episode of Beavis and Butthead when Butthead exclaimed that he “wanted a tattoo of a butt, with a butt-shaped tattoo on the butt, on his butt.”
It’s the circle of fandom.
i can't believe you survived on this blog --
by axemen23 on Sep 2, 2010 9:06 PM PDT
complaining? not sure i see anyone complaining. kiffin is an ass. i kinda feel bad for the USC players since they are being punished by the actions of players long gone and collecting NFL paychecks. these kind of comments just help remind me that those players choose to play for this dude and i want to enjoy The Fall of Troy.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Kiffin clearly doesn’t watch the Carolina Panthers. They switched to a zone blocking scheme in 2006 when their coach figured their o-line was undersized.
It’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-T-I-G-H-T-A-T-T-H-E-H-E-E-L"
In addition to Unger, Schwartz, and Tupou
Jordan Holmes (#15 Center), Bo Thran (#29 Tackle), and C.E. Kaiser (#38 Tackle) are all currently in the top 40 at their position according to ESPN.com’s 2011 Draft Projections (Insider Access Required). They each have a grade of 30:
USC has Kris O’Dowd (#4 Center), and Wendell Lewis (#28 Guard). They have 5 of their 10 O-linemen from their 2-deep who are Jr’s and Sr’s, yet only 2 of them even get listed. I’m not trying to make the argument that we have more NFL talent or anything, just that Kiffin’s statement is dumb and borderline ignorant. The people who think we are running some kind of “gimmick” scheme are lost in the past.
For anyone interested that doesn’t have Insider Access to ESPN.com, our other players listed are:
- LaMichael James (81 grade – #4 RB behind Mark Ingram, Ryan Williams, and Daniel Thomas. #60 overall)
- Casey Matthews (#11 Inside Linebacker)
- Brandon Bair (#31 Defensive Tackle)
- Spencer Paysinger (#33 Outside Linebacker)
- Talmadge Jackson (#47 Cornerback)
- Jeffrey Maehl (#52 Wide Reciever)
- Kenny Rowe (#66 Outside Linebacker)
- D.J. Davis (#119 Wide Receiver)
2 things stand out to me: 1) I’m officially much more afraid of LaMichael leaving. I’ve heard he’s said he’s not leaving until he gets his degree, so now that he seems to be a 2nd round pick I hope he stays. I think he will, but I’m not as sure as I was before I saw that. 2) Paysinger and Matthews are both graded higher than Kenny Rowe. I figured Rowe’s versatility and production would make him attractive as an OLB for someone running a 3-4. I’m surprised that Paysinger is graded higher than him as an OLB.
One final reference regarding LMJ’s 81 grade:
80-89 Outstanding Prospect
Player has abilities to create mismatches versus most opponents in the NFL. A feature player that has an impact on the outcome of the game. Cannot be shut down by a single player and plays on a consistent level week in and week out. He rates in the top 10 at his position and is considered a second round draft prospect.
In the Yell-O corner, with a 2009 conference record of 8 wins, 1 loss. The REIGNING, DEFENDING, UNDISPUTED Champions of the PAC 10. The Oregon Ducks!
by MarineCorpsDuck on Nov 11, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
Rowe could become a beast of a hybrid LB in a 3-4 scheme, no question.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Nov 11, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
Clay Matthews agrees with this.
The Claymaker is just a beast its not even fair.
I hate dogs.
Shoot them in the head.
Set them on fire.
Cause I hate Washington!
Max Unger scoffs at this notion
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
BB recruiting
“nothing short of amazing” would have been keeping Wiltjer and/or Jones, 2 of the very best players in the entire country, in state. Let’s not get carried away!
True Duck Fan
We've never been able to keep the best players in state
AB wasn’t highly recruited coming out of HS I don’t believe.
Hopefully that changes but this is a great first step.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Aaron Brooks? He was very highly regarded (4* by Rivals, #34 player overall) and he came out of Franklin High School in Seattle Washington.
As far as keeping talent in state, we have been able to keep some (Freddie Jones, Luke Jackson, Kyle Singler, etc). It’s just that the truly elite talent that Oregon has produced have gone to much bigger programs.
Which makes sense
We’re not a major program, far from it.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
We rarely get the top in-state talent.
Historically, when we have gotten the “top in-state talent” we haven’t done much with it.
Even Terrell Brandon couldn’t drag Monson’s teams much over .500. Neither could Anthony Taylor.
Compare this with what Ralph Miller did @ OAC with guys like Green and Sitton and Radford and Blume. Coaching does matter.
Some didn’t even make the first cut. Tyron Manlove? Richard Manuel?
Average Score Since 2004:
Oregon 44 Washington 17 (Updated)
Mike McShane and Flo Hartenstein are sad you left them out.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
the fact we let McShane’s teammate Thalo “what’s your favorite color?” Green go to UW was a travesty…
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Seriously: Does anybody really think Kevin Love made the wrong decision in not coming to Oregon?
Even if his dad is an asshat.
Average Score Since 2004:
Oregon 44 Washington 17 (Updated)
college basketball recruiting is so different than football. one player who is good enough to be 1 and done does not change a program. it almost hurts – if you’re not Kentucky and can restock every single year. ask UCLA who had a few guys leave early that they weren’t counting on leaving.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Keeping players in state is over rated
I don’t care where they come from, or where they’ve been, we get players in our program and they’re a Duck. If someone in state, or out of state for that matter, wants to go somewhere else then they don’t deserve to be a Duck. I want players who are going to buy in to our coaches system, who fit our coaches style, who our coach thinks we have the best chance to win with. I don’t want a player somebody else says we should get because they live in our state, or their a 5* this or an all-something that. I want our coach to get His players, not someone else’s.
Quack Quack Bitches!
by Quack Addict on Nov 11, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
There has been research that shows that the best predictor in terms of where a football recruit signs is distance from home. Assuming there is nothing inherent to football recruits, signing elite in-state talent is important because those are the recruits you have the best shot at.
Brad originally found the article, entitled “An Economic Model of the College Football Recruiting Process” that was published in the Journal of Sports Economics.
So you’re telling me these are better choices than Portland St and Montana??
The University of Denver, Texas-San Antonio and Texas State will join the WAC in 2012-13 to offset the departures of Boise State, Fresno State and Nevada to the Mountain West, multiple sources told ESPN.com.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5789078
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
PSU didn't want to move
They are 2-3 years at least from getting the funding they need for a decent basketball arena. Its in the plans but they still need $.
PSU rightly doesn’t want to move up until they get that 3-5k basketball arena (Stott sucks) since the new PGE Park is clearly FBS ready for FB.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
forgot about the lovely Stott Center.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
I went to D3 Grinnell
Our old gym had more seats.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Montana might move up too btw
They will decide in the next few weeks, to offset the possible move to Hawaii to independent status in FB.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Somehow, the WAC is going to be much worse in two years than they already are. They’re going to be duking it out with the Sun Belt for most pathetic group of football teams.
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The fact that BYU went to the WCC for basketball kind of says it all too
They want to me in a league that at least has one other decent hoops team in it (Gonzaga).
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
And yet, with Utah and BYU leaving the MWC, the Donkeys will simply be shifting to the MWC version of the WAC
Stick your Duck in a Trojan, they burst under pressure.
They announced today thatey won't move up.
I saw it on CFB live.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
Uh oh. Panic setting in. Clucko the Chicken over at CFN picked Cal!!
Stick your Duck in a Trojan, they burst under pressure.
The only animal picks I worried about were those of the late Paul the Phsyhic Octupus
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
he needs Oregon to lose to justify his Pac-10 hate
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
This week's Pac-10 lines
Favored team on the left, home team in bold caps.
Washington and UCLA are off, they play next Thursday.
Oregon (-20) vs. CALIFORNIA. O/U: 58.5
Stanford (-5.5) vs. ARIZONA STATE. O/U: 59
OREGON STATE (-23.5) vs. Washington State. O/U: 57
ARIZONA (-4) vs. USC. O/U: 59.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Are they serious? They're giving us only 20 against Cal? We beat Stanford and USC by that much.
And with all due respect, Cal is no Stanford or USC. Even at home.
by gamedaytribe on Nov 11, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Hard to make any team that big a dog at home.
Cal has played well at home too.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
There's a rule about handicapping Pac10 home underdogs:
Avoid the temptation to set the line at what you think it “should” be.
Double-digit home dogs cover in the Pac10 about 60% of the time, which will lose money for any bookie.
Average Score Since 2004:
Oregon 44 Washington 17 (Updated)
Take the Over on the first two and the Under on the last two. Right?
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA
It’s legitimate. The Ducks beat WSU by 20 on the road. They beat ASU by 11. Cal is better than both of those teams. If you’re going to do the transitive property thing, it works both ways.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
And I'm not sure Mansion is that much of a downgrade at QB from Riley.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Is a downgrade possible?
Especially when it comes to big games against good competition…ok, when it comes to any game against any competition.
"It's not about style. It's about winning the game. That's it." - Chip Kelly
by Duckfanatic10 on Nov 11, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
The formula for beating Cal stays the same with either of them
Make them throw the ball.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I also like that the Ducks are set up well for the other formula for beating Cal
Play them late in the season.
Though I suppose that one hasn’t held quite as true in recent seasons
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Nov 11, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Riley never improved much beyond this..
.. the week after they won in Autzen.
Average Score Since 2004:
Oregon 44 Washington 17 (Updated)
I’m not sure. I have a hunch that our defense steps up big time this game and holds Cal to 10 points or so.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I agree, though there's still PANIC
I want to believe that our defense has been getting better and better each game.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
It’s weird, this is the least panic I’ve felt about a game in awhile. It’s kind of worrisome. I think I’m starting to PANIC! about the fact that I’m not PANICing.
Maybe I’m saving up my PANIC! for Arizona and OSU.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
my PANIC!
Level has just gone up a notch every week that the Ducks win. Having never been undefeated this late in the season is new territory for me, so my PANIC! level will be out of control if the Ducks keep rolling.
"We aren't into making statements, we are into winning games" -Chip Kelly
by UOfootball on Nov 11, 2010 1:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It's hard to PANIC
When the team is proving us wrong every week. I mean, it’s hard to find faults with this team. I think it’s appropriate to PANIC based on that though, that we don’t know what we don’t know. Unknown unknowns. PANIC!
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
I'm worried, not panicked
9 down, 3 to go.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
There really isn't a Duck who PANICs as much as me
But I’m not feeling much PANIC for this game. This is very worrying. I second Gorbachav5.
I do think it’s necessary to bring down the level of presumption we have. Too much talk about the MNC and whom we want to play in it. We should be focussing on the three very, very tough games we have ahead of us.
Losing Nate hurts big-time. I remember how disruptive it was to have Barner injured during the game. Everybody in the team lost focus a bit against WSU. This is not going to be an easy end to the season. And the Rose Bowl last year should have wiped out any arrogance from our mindset, if any Duck who’s been around as long as I have can possibly bring themselves to feel any at all.
Yes, we should win against Cal, but we need to win easily, and not have any injuries. That’s not going to be a piece of cake.
by gamedaytribe on Nov 11, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
On the spot impressions
Ore @ Cal: Take the over, if Cal scores only 10 points, Oregon would need 49, in the road games Oregon has not been held under 42 points this season. So can Cal score 17 points and Oregon at least match its season low. I say yes, the over is a good bet.
Furd @ ASU: only 5.5 points? for the #6 team in the nation with the #5 offense? I see Furd blowing this one open. As far as the line in this one, i’m feeling the under.
Wazzu @ OSewe I don’t like the spread, I think wazzu covers easily but still loses. I’d put the over/under at under.
USC @ A: Two high powered offenses, Arizona’s a bit banged up in the backfield though. I like USC in this one actually, but I can see this going two completely different ways. It all depends on Foles and how much rust he knocks off. Arizona is out of the Rose bowl hunt for now, how does that affect their drive? I’ll take the under, but just barely.
Quack Quack Bitches!
by Quack Addict on Nov 11, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
I initially thought the same about the Stanford line and thought it was easy money. However they are coming off a massive win against UA so maybe there will be a “letdown”. Also ASU came awfully close to beating U$C – I’d expect them to come out firing in hopes for a bowl berth.
As far as the Bavers line. I’d bet an absurd amount of money(and probably will) on WSU covering that line. 23 points? I’d say the game is decided by 10 or less.
by SeattleDucks on Nov 11, 2010 3:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
- Copy the URL of the picture (It must be hosted somewhere online).
- Make sure it ends in .jpg .gif or .png
- Click the image button
- Paste the URL of the picture
- Click “Preview” to ensure it is showing up.
- If it does show up, click “post” when you are done with your comment.
It’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-T-I-G-H-T-A-T-T-H-E-H-E-E-L"
thanks
i tried that, and the picture wasn’t showing up in the preview. must be a problem with where it is hosted.
you can always just post a link to the page where you are seeing the image
Then we can all see it too.
PS I am so curious as to what the image is, I wanna know, I need to know.
I hate dogs.
Shoot them in the head.
Set them on fire.
Cause I hate Washington!
Some sites have ways of blocking
also, if the picture is art of a slideshow or some videos still, those can be issues too.
College--the best nine years of my life
by AZDeadHeadDuck on Nov 11, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
2011-12 basketball schedules out
http://blog.oregonlive.com/pac10/2010/11/pac-12_conference_sets_2011-12.html
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Awesome
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindducksbeat/2010/11/oregon_football_chip_kelly_has_1.html
Oregon coach Chip Kelly had three veterans address the team after football practice Thursday in the Casanova Center.
The three veterans — Ryan Stock, Steve Green and Alec York — are members of Oregon’s facilities crew.
Kelly said it was appropriate to remember the sacrifices veterans make on Veteran’s Day, and he thinks there is a deeper message too.
“I had an opportunity to go see those guys in action,” Kelly said of the offseason tour in which he visited members of the armed forces stationed overseas. "When you watch the camaraderie those guys have, the enthusiasm they have for their job, the way they don’t let outside influences affect them — I was in Baghdad and it was 120 degrees, and you wouldn’t be able to tell that when you watched those guys work.
“There wasn’t anybody who complained about things they didn’t control. They’re just very professional in terms of what their job is all about. There are a lot of big lessons you can learn from that.”
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
via F’Baum – @Finebaum:
According to the NCAA, a violation is committed the moment an athlete (or athlete’s family) solicits for extra benefits.
BoDog’s Richard Gardner says with the escalation of the Cam rumors, the odds for Heisman Trophy will stay off the board.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
link-alicious.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5792707
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
If I had a vote, I would vote for him right now
Regardless of whatever the controversy is, he’s not guilty yet and he IS the best player in the country this year (LMJ is close but not quite there).
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I dont think so
From an eligibility standpoint, I agree. At this point he is eligible to play out until a ruling is made in his case.
But the Heisman is not just about the best player. Its about the best player, who has played with integrity.
The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity
Maybe he got paid, maybe he didn’t. Maybe he will deemed ineligible, maybe not. Since all of that is still pending, let him play out the year including the NCG if nothing is wrapped up before that.
But he did steal a laptop and while there are laws in place protecting his privacy, no one seems to be denying that he was caught cheating 3 times while at Florida. That’s not what I call playing with integrity. Sorry.. No Heisman for you.
Personally I would give it to the King Donkey before Mr. Newton. Sorry, there is just too much smoke for there not to be a fire here and integrity in college football should still mean something.
Stick your Duck in a Trojan, they burst under pressure.
I agree he's probably guility
But until something’s proven I’d vote for him.
I’d love it if James beat him on merit alone btw, which could still easily happen.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I would like to see him have a terrible game
Let him win so we meet him in the NCG but a rough game that shows he’s human and lets the voters look at James a little more. That way if LMJ wins the Heisman it would be legit and he’d be remembered for it, not the award that Newton got shafted out of because of rumors.
Quack Quack Bitches!
by Quack Addict on Nov 11, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Trying to forecast how things shake out in the BCS picture aside...
Unless there has been some change to the postseason awards voting process I was not aware of, I’m pretty sure they award the Heisman in December, before the bowls. There’s definitely an argument for waiting though. Vince Young in 2005 certainly thinks so.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Nov 11, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
FWIW I'm a lawyer's kid
So I believe heavily in the whole innocent til proven guilty thing.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I would prefer LMJ win on merit as well...
and I believe that people are innocent until proven guilty….. when it comes to the law. But college football awards do not fall under the rules of presumption of innocence. Sorry, constitutional law doesn’t apply here IMO. Besides, any lawyer will tell you presumption of innocence in the legal world is a facade. In the real world, we are guilty until proven innocent ;-)
Stick your Duck in a Trojan, they burst under pressure.
I know and there is lots of circumstantial evidence
That Newton committed a worse violation than Bush did (I’m sorry but taking $ to go to a school is worse) but there is no direct evidence yet. Still, that can be more than enough to convict someone.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Whats really sad here..
The laptop, and the cheating at Florida and just stupid mistakes kids make and nothing more would have been made about them had this pay-to-play issue not come up. The sad part is, from everything I have read so far, his country bumpkin father appears to be the only one involved in driving that bus. Cam seems to have been aware, but taking the guidance of his father. I cannot imagine, as a father, ruining the credibility of my child. That’s just messed up man.
Stick your Duck in a Trojan, they burst under pressure.
This is why I question whether James would win from national voters as well.
We as Duck fans, in addition to the local media, know how the LMJ offseason situation played out. We’ve seen the court documents. But I’m sure to a lot of eastern, mid-west, and southern media they remember that he spent time in jail, appeared before a judge, and was suspended for a game.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Nov 11, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
I thought you were Darth Vader's kid????
...GO DOUG...
by Your Favorite Team's Favorite Team on Nov 11, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
shhhhhhhhhhhhh He doesn't know that yet.
I hate dogs.
Shoot them in the head.
Set them on fire.
Cause I hate Washington!
His 9th kid as a matter of fact
The one with little to no force powers, knda the runt of the litter if you will.
Quack Quack Bitches!
by Quack Addict on Nov 11, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
For some reason I am worried that this Cal D will actually be able to slow our offense down
What do you guys think? What are the odds they hold us below 42 points?? I am not really sure of the kind of depth that they have on the D-line and at their linebacker positions. Anyone know, for example, how many guys they played on D against WSU last week? Only other thing that scares me is this relatively unknown QB. Seems like we pretty well knew Riley wasn’t going to go all Pryor on us and actually play a helluva game, but I just don’t know what to expect from this kid since I haven’t seen him play. Thoughts?
by NICKPAPAGEORGIOTHEDUCK on Nov 11, 2010 4:40 PM PST reply actions
There are 2 or 3 teams in the country that I think could beat us just by shutting our offense down (e.g., without playing a flawless offensive game themselves).
Cal is not one of them, and they don’t have the offense to hang with us.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Nov 11, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
I’m in the same boat. We should beat Cal soundly. We have strong advantages on both sides of the ball. Their defense will struggle to stop us, and their offense will struggle to move down the field.
I would be worried about a trap game, but I think the UW performance scared that out of the team.
Strange things can happen, but this is a game we win 9 times out of ten. (Accuscore is predicting we win 88% of the time)
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
even if they hold us to below 42 points
what are the odds they score that many?
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
The odds are about 42-3.
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by Bill Musgrave on Nov 12, 2010 8:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
My inner math Nazi wants to tell you that's the same as 14:1
BUT WAIT, WAIT, OOOOOOOH.
I mean listen, we’re sitting here talking about rankings, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we’re talking about rankings.
by HoodRiverDuck on Nov 12, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Any cocerns I may have...
Are relieved by looking at this.
Not to mention, we have played teams with strong defenses (or at least perceived to be) on the road and come away on top
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Nov 11, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
After 9 games..
Cal ranks:
25th in run defense (~120 ypg)
12th in pass efficiency defense (109.18)
12th in total defense (~300 ypg)
37th in scoring defense (21.33)
Offense? Not very good. 73rd in total offense, 47th in scoring offense (30 ppg).
What I like to do in situations like this is average out “offense A vs defense B” and vice versa.
We score 55 a game. Cal gives up 21 a game. Averages to 38 points.
They score 30 a game. We give up 18 a game. Averages to 24.
Give them 3 points for home field.
Works out to 38-27, Oregon.
The marketplace has pegged this game as around 39-20.
Bet the over.
Average Score Since 2004:
Oregon 44 Washington 17 (Updated)
Fuck Florida, the new Boise State Fucked Up school
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA
They're like bizarro Boise State.
Terrible OOC, good conference schedule.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Nov 11, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
i really, really hope Florida plays Auburn in the SEC champ game this year. it might just end up in a brawl in the stands all game.
via Pat Forde @ESPN4D:
Updated Newton story: http://es.pn/bTPQ9Q MSU booster/former player Bill Bell confirms to ESPN.com that Cecil Newton was seeking cash.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
I know a ton of Florida fans
And they all HATE Cam Newton. He was supposed to be the QB of the future until he’s Masoli-ed his chance out of a starting job. And a lot of them feel screwed over since the production from the QB position at Florida has been pretty awful this year.
It would be an epic game considering the history involved.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
Just putting it out there
We’re 11/10 to win the BCS championship
Basically even money.
BONER K.
I mean listen, we’re sitting here talking about rankings, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we’re talking about rankings.
What's a bonerk?
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Nov 11, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
Give it time son, in a year or two, you'll be having these by the hour.
Axemen23 is a cat lady. - Brian
by Bill Musgrave on Nov 11, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Is it a pastry?
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Nov 12, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
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