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SHUFELT Computer Poll; Week 11

Computer Poll Top 25 Resumes - Week 11

RankTeamRecordVoW AvgChangeDeltaLW Rank
1 Boise State (9-0) 3.498 -0.051 ↔ 0 1
2 TCU (11-0) 2.989 -0.184 ↔ 0 2
3 Ohio State (9-1) 2.888 0.143 ↑ 1 4
4 Oregon (10-0) 2.797 0.029 ↓ 1 3
5 Alabama (8-2) 2.552 0.165 ↑ 1 6
6 Oklahoma State (9-1) 2.511 -0.008 ↓ 1 5
7 Auburn (11-0) 2.271 0.078 ↔ 0 7
8 Stanford (9-1) 2.203 0.014 ↔ 0 8
9 Oklahoma (8-2) 2.102 0.232 ↑ 1 10
10 LSU (9-1) 1.793 0.238 ↑ 5 15
11 Missouri (8-2) 1.792 0.052 ↑ 1 12
12 Arkansas (8-2) 1.581 0.178 ↑ 4 16
13 Virginia Tech (8-2) 1.516 0.250 ↑ 7 20
14 Nebraska (9-1) 1.484 -0.196 ↔ 0 14
15 Iowa (7-3) 1.470 -0.283 ↓ 4 11
16 Michigan State (9-1) 1.433 0.092 ↑ 2 18
17 USC (7-3) 1.431 0.228 ↑ 4 21
18 Utah (8-2) 1.431 -0.511 ↓ 9 9
19 Wisconsin (9-1) 1.408 0.321 ↑ 4 23
20 Florida (6-4) 1.386 -0.329 ↓ 7 13
21 Texas A&M (7-3) 1.321 0.327 ↑ 3 24
22 South Carolina (7-3) 1.263 0.514 ↑ 9 31
23 Nevada (9-1) 1.249 0.149 ↓ 1 22
24 Miami (FL) (7-3) 1.145 0.237 ↑ 3 27
25 Hawaii (7-3) 1.091 0.115 ↑ 1 26
Dropped: Arizona, Mississippi State, Oregon State

So this week's shakers and movers are Utah, South Carolina, and Oregon State, all rising or falling over .400 on their VoW Average. In terms of ranking changes, Virgina Tech, LSU, Utah, Florida, Arizona, Oregon State and South Carolina all shifted around a substantial amount.

On to the Extra Curriculars!

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Machine vs. Man

This is a poll vs. poll comparison. The poll on the right is how I personally would vote as a human voter. The poll on the left is my computer poll.

ComputerTeam JShufeltTeam
1 Boise State (9-0)   1 Oregon (9-0)
2 TCU (11-0)   2 Auburn (10-0)
3 Ohio State (9-1)   3 TCU (10-0)
4 Oregon (10-0)   4 Oklahoma State (8-1)
5 Alabama (8-2)   5 Stanford (8-1)
6 Oklahoma State (9-1)   6 Nebraska (8-1)
7 Auburn (11-0)   7 LSU (8-1)
8 Stanford (9-1)   8 Boise State (8-0)
9 Oklahoma (8-2)   9 Wisconsin (8-1)
10 LSU (9-1)   10 Alabama (7-2)
11 Missouri (8-2)   11 Ohio State (8-1)
12 Arkansas (8-2)   12 Iowa (7-2)
13 Virginia Tech (8-2)   13 Michigan State (9-1)
14 Nebraska (9-1)   14 Oklahoma (7-2)
15 Iowa (7-3)   15 Utah (8-1)
16 Michigan State (9-1)   16 Missouri (7-2)
17 USC (7-3)   17 Arizona (7-2)
18 Utah (8-2)   18 Arkansas (7-2)
19 Wisconsin (9-1)   19 Florida (6-3)
20 Florida (6-4)   20 Nevada (8-1)
21 Texas A&M (7-3)   21 USC (6-3)
22 South Carolina (7-3)   22 Mississippi State (7-2)
23 Nevada (9-1)   23 Penn State (6-3)
24 Miami (FL) (7-3)   24 Temple (8-2)
25 Hawaii (7-3)   25 Virginia Tech (7-2)


So, I'm still not high on Boise State. I probably am lower on them than nearly everyone in the country, including well known Boise State hater Mark May. Why? It isn't so much I don't think they are a bad team (Eighth in the country is still freaking awesome), but in my mind, I can't see them beating any team I have in front of them. I also have Ohio State, Utah, Oklahoma, and Florida, notably lower than my computer polls.

On the other side of the coin, I am high on Stanford and Nebraska, Wisconsin, Auburn, LSU, Michigan State, Penn State and Temple.

 

Flavor of the Week Award

This is awarded to the team that has the best win of the week. This is generally given to a team that has a solid win against a good team.

Team (Team VAvg)Opp (Team VAvg)ScoreVoW
Notre Dame (0.163) vs. Utah (2.181) W 28-3 5.058
South Carolina (1.315) @ Florida (0.868) W 36-14 4.961
LSU (2.136) vs. ULM (-1.43) W 51-0 4.243
Northern Illinois (2.046) vs. Toledo (0.118) W 65-30 4.012
Boise State (4.33) @ Idaho (-0.593) W 52-14 3.885


Two weeks in a row, Utah gives up the best win to the other team, though this may just be a result of the best team losing. They have taken a considerable decline the last two weeks.1 

 

Bitter Sweet Award

This is awarded to the team that the most disastrous win of the week. This is generally given to the team that played close against a bad team.

Team (Team VAvg)Opp (Team VAvg)ScoreVoW
Florida Atlantic (-0.709) vs. Louisiana (-2.054) W 24-23 -1.293
Utah State (-1.005) @ San Jose State (-2.589) W 38-34 -0.754
Tulane (-1.201) vs. Rice (-2.136) W 54-49 -0.696
Marshall (-1.141) vs. Memphis (-3.252) W 28-13 -0.692
Western Michigan (-0.046) vs. Eastern Michigan (-2.908) W 45-30 -0.479


Hardly anything all that not worthy. Just a ton of crappy teams beating other crappy teams.. 

 

No Shame in Losing Award

This is awarded to the team that had the most respectable loss of the week. This is generally given to the team that played well against a good team.

Team (Team VAvg)Opp (Team VAvg)ScoreVoW
San Diego State (1.695) @ TCU (3.984) L 35-40 2.272
California (0.592) vs. Oregon (3.992) L 13-15 1.718
Arizona State (0.458) vs. Stanford (2.967) L 13-17 0.620
Fresno State (1.004) vs. Nevada (2.778) L 34-35 0.492
Clemson (0.584) @ Florida State (1.652) L 13-16 0.415


Quite a few teams mid-level teams played very close to top 25 teams, but San Diego State and California win this by a significant margin. The other notable losses just aren't as good. However, it should be noted they are all net wins, and San Diego State and California actually improved their resume, despite earning the dreaded "L".

 

Face Palm Award

This is awarded to the team that really should be embarrassed for their loss. This is generally given to the team that played poorly against a bad team

Team (Team VAvg)Opp (Team VAvg)ScoreVoW
Oregon State (-0.194) vs. Washington State (-2.276) L 14-31 -5.435
Wyoming (-2.156) @ UNLV (-2.397) L 16-42 -5.339
Buffalo (-2.114) vs. Ball State (-0.745) L 3-20 -5.088
Colorado State (-1.902) vs. BYU (-0.183) L 10-49 -4.980
Ole Miss (-0.669) @ Tennessee (-0.361) L 14-52 -4.445


Umm... Wow. It's got to suck to be "That team", but it was going to happen eventually, and Oregon State was it. The most shocking thing is that WSU didn't just win by a narrow margin, but by a fairly significant score

Conference Rankings

Here is how the conferences stack up. Sorted by the highest to lowest VoW Avg.

RankConferenceTeam VAvgOpp VAvgVoW Avg
1 SEC - (77-46) 0.908 -0.075 0.723
2 Pac-10 - (55-43) 0.560 0.055 0.559
3 Big 12 - (75-47) 0.659 -0.078 0.496
4 Big Ten - (69-42) 0.779 -0.297 0.304
5 Independent - (18-12) 0.777 -0.330 0.241
6 ACC - (66-54) 0.414 -0.381 -0.142
7 Big East - (41-33) 0.613 -0.634 -0.248
8 MWC - (46-48) -0.089 -0.203 -0.403
9 WAC - (46-42) 0.237 -0.526 -0.497
10 C-USA - (57-64) -0.292 -0.440 -0.913
11 MAC - (56-77) -0.476 -0.696 -1.423
12 Sun Belt - (30-56) -0.844 -0.528 -1.540


I changed the data a little bit here, and decided to show a bit more information. One thing it shows is that the Pac-10's Opp VAvg is the only conference with a positive number. Meaning: They've had the toughest top-to-bottom schedule than the other conferences, to date.

The SEC gets a nice little boost this weekend, and the Notre Dame gets a big enough win to swap them around with the ACC.

In summery, there is 1 great conference, 2 good conferences, 2 okay conferences, a handful of bad ones, and a couple REALLY awful conferences.

 

Pac-10 Conference Standings

Here are the rankings of the Pac-10 teams, in regards to their VoW Avg.

RankConferenceTeam VAvgOpp VAvgVoW Avg
1 Oregon - (10-0) 3.992 -1.083 2.797
2 Stanford - (9-1) 2.967 -0.724 2.203
3 USC - (7-3) 1.166 0.451 1.431
4 Arizona - (7-3) 1.597 -0.590 1.090
5 Oregon State - (4-5) -0.194 0.744 0.507
6 California - (5-5) 0.592 -0.158 0.353
7 UCLA - (4-5) -0.795 0.827 -0.057
8 Arizona State - (4-6) 0.458 -0.834 -0.380
9 Washington - (3-6) -1.903 1.496 -0.553
10 Washington State - (2-9) -2.276 0.427 -1.805


Not much in ranking changes, but Cal improved by quite a bit, and Oregon State dropped quite a bit.

Oregon State also really hurt their bowl campaign. They still need two wins, and their schedule goes USC, Stanford, and then Oregon. What was a possible scenario gets moved over into the improbable scenario.

Cal almost became bowl eligible, with giving Oregon a little bit of a scare, but they came up short. They have Stanford, which is probably unlikely, and they have Washington, which is their best chance to get eligible. It may be enough for them to go to the Holiday Bowl.

UCLA needs two more wins, which is possible. They Washington, Arizona State, and USC left on their schedule. Beating Washington this week would go a long, long ways for their bowl aspirations.

Arizona State's close loss to Stanford makes them ineligible for a bowl this year, as they played two FCS teams earlier in the year. They will be playing to upset UCLA and Arizona.

Washington can still make a bowl game. They have UCLA, Cal, and WSU left on their schedule. As far as I can tell, they could win any and all, or lose any and all. They need to win all their remaining games to go bowling.

 

Top 10 Toughest Schedules

Here are the rankings of the Pac-10 teams, in regards to their VoW Avg.

RankTeam (Record)ConferenceOpp VAvg
1 Washington - (3-6) Pac-10 1.496
2 Notre Dame - (5-5) Independent 1.016
3 UCLA - (4-5) Pac-10 0.827
4 Oregon State - (4-5) Pac-10 0.744
5 Florida - (6-4) SEC 0.663
6 Vanderbilt - (2-8) SEC 0.535
7 UNLV - (2-8) MWC 0.499
8 USC - (7-3) Pac-10 0.451
9 Washington State - (2-9) Pac-10 0.427
10 East Carolina - (6-4) C-USA 0.425


Last week, there were 4 Pac-10 teams. This week, we welcome USC to the scene to make it 5 Pac-10 teams. Next week, it is very likely we'll see future Pac-10 team, Colorado on this list. 

 

Bottom 10 Toughest Schedules

Here are the rankings of the Pac-10 teams, in regards to their VoW Avg.

RankTeam (Record)ConferenceOpp VAvg
120 Ball State - (4-7) MAC -2.132
119 Middle Tennessee - (3-6) Sun Belt -1.855
118 UTEP - (6-5) C-USA -1.765
117 Syracuse - (7-3) Big East -1.687
116 Ohio - (8-3) MAC -1.407
115 Southern Miss - (7-3) C-USA -1.387
114 Virginia - (4-6) ACC -1.352
113 Northern Illinois - (8-2) MAC -1.347
112 Nevada - (9-1) WAC -1.325
111 Fresno State - (6-3) WAC -1.269

Syracuse and Virgina are the only AQ teams on the list - a list filled with MAC, WAC, and C-USA teams.


Games to Look Forward to Watching

These are this week's matchups that have a high VoW Avg and also has a small disparity between the two teams.

Team (Team VAvg)Opp (Team VAvg)Team VAvg DiffTeam VAvg Avg
Utah (2.181) @ San Diego State (1.695) 0.487 1.938
Virginia Tech (2.285) @ Miami (FL) (1.525) 0.760 1.905
Temple (1.843) vs. Ohio (1.439) 0.403 1.641
Arkansas (2.053) @ Mississippi State (1.091) 0.962 1.572
Florida State (1.652) @ Maryland (1.246) 0.406 1.449

 

So last week, I asked Miss State to put up or shut up against Alabama. They lost, and are now out of my top 25. But I see here, they are playing Arkansas... which could be interesting.

Last week was full of bad matchups, but some of those bad match-ups turned into big upsets. This week, we have better matches. Any of these games could be fun to watch.


Games to Watch During a Root Canal

These are this week's matchups with the largest discrepancies between the two. They are projected to be pretty big blowouts.

Team (Team VAvg)Opp (Team VAvg)Team VAvg DiffTeam VAvg Avg
Nevada (2.778) vs. New Mexico State (-2.572) 5.351 0.103
Oklahoma State (2.562) @ Kansas (-1.776) 4.338 0.393
Hawaii (1.395) vs. San Jose State (-2.589) 3.984 -0.597
Air Force (1.085) @ UNLV (-2.397) 3.482 -0.656
Boise State (4.330) vs. Fresno State (1.004) 3.326 2.667

 

Why, Bosie State, what are you doing on this list? Again, for like... the 24th time. But really, Nevada is going to obliterate New Mexico State. Not great matchups here.

About the only one that I think has any hope would be Air Force and UNLV, but then again - UNLV IS sooo BAD.


About the Poll

  • It has a memory. It will remember what happened in Week 1. Team A may look bad Week 1, but in Week 6, they don't look so bad. 
    •  That means the values are dynamic. To take an example from this year, Boise State squeaked by a highly ranked Virginia Tech team. The next week, Virginia Tech lost to James Madison. Boise State's close call to Virginia Tech does not look NEARLY as impressive now. Week 1 scores will actually change dynamically based upon results, not just Week 1, but every week of college football.
  • Style points matter. This includes the margin of victory. Nobody is impressed when you pull of a 1 point squeaker to Saint Mary’s school of the blind. But everyone would be impressed when Alabama is beaten 35-0. MOV matters, but it has diminishing returns. The point difference between winning by 50 and winning by 70 is practically infinitesimal. 
  • There has been a bonus for shutting a team out, however, I lowered the base amount for this bonus, and added an additional formula that raises and lowers the bonus based upon the quality of the opponent. You will always get extra points for shutting a team out, but you won't get as much against a really bad team, however you can potentially earn MORE than before if you shutout a good team.
  • There is no pride in playing an FCS team.
  • Location has a small influence on the scoring. A slight penalty for the home team, and a slight bonus for the visiting team. Neutral fields cancel each other out.
  • There are bonus points for winning, and penalties for losing. This isn't a significant part of the formula, but it is factored.
  • There are three main values. (There are several formulas that make up these values, but I am going to try and simplify it). A score of 0 is neither good nor bad. 
    • Team Avg (Team Average); This is simply your team’s performance in a game based upon a formula I’ve made up.
    • Opp Avg (Opponent Average); This is an aggregated value of your opponent's Team Average. 
    • VoW Avg (Value of Win Average.); This is the resume score. Good team vs. Good team will = Great ; Bad team vs. bad team = Awful
      • I’ll also be putting up a number next to each extra curricular awards. This is the VoW, (Value of Win). It is a score that factors in the Team's performance vs. their Opponent's resume. A team with a large win vs. a great team will result in a great VoW.
    • I can make the numbers simple for you to understand. Negative is bad, positive is good. The further the number is from 0, the more extreme it is. -5 is bad, +5 is good. 0 represents neither good nor bad. This is applicable to all the scores you'll see.
  • You get points for playing well against good teams, win or lose. You'll get more for beating good teams, but there is no shame for losing to a good team - as long as it is actually a good team. If you're 4-0, but it's all against FCS teams and the New Mexicos, you'll probably have a decent Team Avg, but your Opp Avg is going to make an embarrassment out of your team.
  • Prior to week 1, ALL FBS teams are equal. Previous years have no influence on the poll.
  • There are no bonus or penalty points for being in or absent in a BCS conference.
  • A team's opponent's opponent's opponent's opponent's (potentiality infinite) score has influence on a team's perception. Meaning: Texas Tech's (Who played New Mexico, who played Oregon) score will influence Oregon's score.
  • You now probably know more about my computer poll than the ones that actually influence the BCS.
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Oregon fan's weren't "Booing", they were going...
Booourns! Booourns!
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Boooob! Boooob!
8 votes
"Boo!" like a ghost.
1 votes
Booook! Boook! - because Cal guys like reading things.
2 votes
Booooom! Boooooom! - like the sound the canon on Tightwad Hill makes.
5 votes

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Sorry I was late on this. I try and get them out Mondays or Tuesday morning, but between work and… other things – I had to push it off a bit.

It’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-T-I-G-H-T-A-T-T-H-E-H-E-E-L"

by JShufelt on Nov 16, 2010 3:47 PM PST reply actions  

I was saying “Boo-urns”…

--Dominic, Addicted to Quack

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Nov 16, 2010 5:30 PM PST reply actions  

THIS POLL IS FLAWED
1 Boise State

I rest my case.

Okay, jk… but I am surprised calculating Oregon State in the computer poll this week didn’t cause an underflow error.

by scotty256 on Nov 16, 2010 6:27 PM PST reply actions  

This was actually the first week I’ve had Oregon State unranked.

It’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-T-I-G-H-T-A-T-T-H-E-H-E-E-L"

by JShufelt on Nov 16, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha

I didn’t mean to suggest that the poll is anti-Beaver biased. I just meant we stunk so bad last Saturday… yeah.

by scotty256 on Nov 16, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

You have Oklahoma State at 4 in your own poll?

I guess it’s hard to argue too much, they have some nice road wins. But I don’t know that they pass the eyeball test for me. They lost to Nebraska already, and I don’t think they beat any of the teams in the Top 11. That leaky defense scares me, as does the lack of a signature OOC win. If they beat Oklahoma, color me impressed. But I just can’t put them in front of Nebraska (I think that loss to Texas was a total fluke, they just blew the game), Stanford, or Wisconsin. LSU is a total mystery to me. I don’t think they are that good, especially considering how lousy they are at QB, but they’ve beaten some solid teams with great play in the trenches.

Couldn’t agree more with Boise St and Ohio St getting lower than expected rankings. They’ve proven nothing thus far. I really think USC is the best 3 loss team in the country, though that loss to Washington hurts.

This has been a weird year. It’s been difficult to match what’s actually happened results wise with who I think has the most talent and highest probability of winning a given matchup. I like Oregon, Auburn, and TCU as the top 3, but aside from that, it’s a mish-mash of teams that have had a lot of meh performances. Ohio State sure seems more talented than they’ve played. So does Nebraska. And definitely Alabama. So who knows?

Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?

by baseb3383 on Nov 16, 2010 9:05 PM PST reply actions  

Well I take that back about the OOC win for Ok St

The Tulsa win looks pretty good. But it’s weird, I just don’t see them as an elite team from a talent standpoint. The offense is very good, but that defense is too average to rank them in the top 5. I still think they are step down from Nebraska, and I would be surprised if they beat Oklahoma.

Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?

by baseb3383 on Nov 16, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

This is one of those things where I think preseason expectations are still lingering, even into November. No one expected OkSt to be anything special this year. They lost a bunch of talent from a mediocre team last year. But their offense is ridiculous, and they have some pretty solid wins on their resume. They haven’t done anything crazy good (and I believe they still have a game with Oklahoma left), but that’s a very good team.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Nov 16, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

As LMJ would say, oh most definitely

The offense is absolutely a juggernaut. Kendall Hunter is one of the best backs in college. Blackmon is a stud. They’ve got a few other good WRs as well, and Weeden is no slouch at QB. It’s just hard for me to rate a team in the top 5 if they don’t have anything better than an average defense. It’s going to catch up to them against the better teams (as it did with Nebraska), and that’s why I don’t have them up nearly that high. They are a borderline top 10 team though, so they certainly aren’t that overrated. They are very good.

Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?

by baseb3383 on Nov 17, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

My own poll was a rather hasty thing. It was my last thing, and I wanted to finish up because I ended up getting a deadline I had to make. While I am probably higher on Ok St than most people, 4th place is too high.

It’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-T-I-G-H-T-A-T-T-H-E-H-E-E-L"

by JShufelt on Nov 17, 2010 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

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