12 Pac Review: Suspect Officiating Edition; Stanford rolls, OSU (and refs) blow it, Cal looks awful; and Ducks start slow, accelerate in the 2nd half...again
1. Oregon 53, Washington 16 - It wasn't pretty for about 3/5ths of the game, but the Ducks continued to do what they've been doing all year: Wear Teams Down (maybe that's what WTD really stands for?). The Ducks were held scoreless in a quarter (other than the fourth quarter in two blowout wins) for the first time this year after failing to put points on the board until Rob Beard's 29-yard field goal at the beginning of the second period. But once the offense got rolling, it was as unstoppable as it's been all season, racking up 522 yards behind a balanced attack capping a very Happy I Hate Washington Week. The only bad news from the game was the unfortunate injury to backup quarterback Nate Costa, who suffered what appeared to be a pretty serious knee injury on a botched snap field goal attempt midway through the third quarter.
2. Stanford 42, Arizona 17 - Andrew Luck and the No. 13 Cardinal got sweet, sweet revenge for their big loss at Arizona last year, holding the No. 15 Wildcats to their second-lowest point total this season. They also dropped more points on the Wildcats than any other team has this year en route to improving to 8-1 on the season. And they did it all in front of a whopping 43,506 fans in a 50,000-seat capacity stadium. Apparently there are better things to do in the South Bay than watch a top-15 matchup. Either way, Oregon's best win keeps getting better. Although 'Zona struggled offensively, much of that could have been due to the rusty play of Nick Foles, who sat out the past three weeks with a knee injury. Foles and the Wildcats get one more tune-up at home against USC before taking a week off and traveling to Eugene for a Friday night showdown with the Ducks at Autzen. Stanford travels to Tempe, then Berkeley, before wrapping up its season at home against Oregon State on Nov. 27.
3. Arizona
4. USC 34, Arizona State 33 - The Trojans seemed destined for a letdown after getting drubbed by the Ducks in what many have said was their bowl game this year. But USC came out firing on all cylinders and led 29-14 with 4 minutes remaining in the third. Then the Sun Devils woke up, using TDs on special teams and defense to pull within two, followed by a 9-yard TD pass to take a 4-point lead with 7 minutes remaining. And then it got really interesting. On the ensuing PAT, USC's Torin Harris returned the blocked kick 97 yards to bring the game within two. A USC field goal put the Trojans up one, and a missed 41-yarder with under two minutes left sealed the Sun Devils' fate.
5. Oregon State 14, UCLA 17 - I'm leaving the Beavers at No. 5 this week, not because they impressed me in any way, but because I think they got screwed by a very poor ruling by the officiating crew in LA. Despite the favorable review by the officials to overturn the original call on the field, it doesn't seem possible for a team to complete a 12-yard pass and get out of bounds by only running a mere 3 seconds off the clock. But the officials ruled it was, and UCLA brought on arguably the nation's best placekicker to boot the 52-yard game-winner, avoiding overtime and beating the Beavs to improve to 2-4 in the Pac-10 and muddy up the middle of the conference race even more. Ouch.
6. UCLA
7. Arizona State
8. California 20, Washington State 13 - Uh, really, Cal? I know you've been atrocious on the road this year, but this is unacceptable. You're better than this. But if you're not, it's going to be a long day in Berkeley next weekend when our No. 1 Ducks pay a visit.
9. Washington
10. Washington State
Utah 7, TCU 47 - Now that's a statement. TCU entered the game with hardly any doubters, but apparently didn't get the memo, as they played like they had something to prove...and prove it they did. The No. 3 Horned Frogs went on the road with the nation watching and absolutely demolished the No. 5 Utes in Salt Lake City. TCU is not only a lock to win the Mountain West, they're now a very real threat to play in the BCS National Championship should Auburn or the Ducks fail to win out.
Colorado 45, Kansas 52 - At the beginning of the fourth quarter, it appeared Colorado was on its way to winning its first Big-12 game this season, after Rodney Stewart's 8-yard TD run put the Buffaloes up 45-17. And then Kansas decided to rattle off 35 unanswered points in the final 11 minutes en route to an historic comeback win in Lawrence. As if head coach Dan Hawkins's seat wasn't hot enough. The odds Hawkins is at the helm when the Buffs join the Pac-12 next fall? 1,000-to-1.
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alright, I'll post this one here too, since I don't know where the discussion will be tonight
DuckFootball Rob Moseley
From what I heard they took his helmet, which would indicate concussion symptoms. @uoducksfan any word on josh huff’s undisclosed injury?
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
Spots 3-9 in the conference are such a mess.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Nov 7, 2010 5:17 PM PST reply actions
I think spot 3 is still pretty clear
but after that, yeah.
Also, not feeling bad for OSU getting “screwed” by the refs vs. UCLA. UCLA is beyond garbage, and if you allow yourself to be in that situation against them, then you’re really not very good.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
I'd go:
1. Oregon
2. Stanford
3. Arizona
4. USC
5. OSU
6. ASU
7. UCLA
8. Cal
9. Washington
10. Wazzu
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Nov 7, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
I've got about the same thing.
Just swap UCLA and ASU. That’s a toss-up, though. Was more impressed with UCLA holding off OSU with backup Brehaut.
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BUT DO THEY HAVE POWER
I mean listen, we’re sitting here talking about rankings, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we’re talking about rankings.
by HoodRiverDuck on Nov 8, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
I am an idiot.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Nov 8, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
You can’t transitive the Pac-10, otherwise you get a Cal>UCLA>OSU>Arizona>Cal circle of doom.
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I don't use the sarcasm font, but twas implied.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Nov 8, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Twitter + Recruiting updates might cause the End of the World but it’s still entertaining to follow:
via @D_Black12 (Devon Blackmon – #4 ranked ATH)
RT @Based_Bumi: @D_Black12,Farmer, Lee, and Gibson may as well go to Oregon and start a dynasty. Take that offense to another level.Why not?
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
That Bumi guy is an absolute idiot
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Nov 7, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
i’m sure he is but Devon Blackmon thought enough of the comment to re-tweet it. so you’re sayin’ there’s a chance…
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Nov 7, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
I hope i never get used to Oregon leading off the highlights and topics for SportsCenter, BCS Countdown, etc. It’s still strange and disorienting. Even better are the crowd shots of Darron Thomas or Josh Huff’s fam/friends (holding up Houston signs) celebrating in the crowd.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
I'd be tempted to put the pups over Cal and a word on Juju.
I felt that the fuskies would score on us and that they would be fired up. This is a team that beat USC and OSU and for all the talk about the ass whipping by the Furd I still think they are not a terrible (good, no) football team.
So speaking of all the talk of a 60-0 beat down and how lucky we are to have no injuries I would like to say this:
Juju, if I have offended forgive me, If I’ve gotten a little too big for my boots, please know it’s just from joy vs. arrogance. Most importantly, I promise to never forget from whence we came, and I will approach the next 4 games with the respect they deserve.
Juju, I hope you can understand and forgive.
Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!
I’d have to go:
1. Oregon
2. Stanford
3. Arizona
4. USC
5. Oregon State
6. Cal
7. ASU
8. UCLA
9. Washington
10. WSU
Cal demolished both UCLA and ASU, and have a better Pac 10 record than both. Granted, they are suspect on the road, but they are undefeated at home and their remaining 3 games are at home.
ASU, Washington, and UCLA are hard for me to distinguish. I like ASU more because they haven’t given up multiple blowouts. They did lose at Cal 50-17 (33 pts), but their other 4 loses were by a combined 16 points. Those 4 loses were at Wisconsin, at Oregon State, at USC, and #1 Oregon at home.
Then I look at UCLA and UW. Washington’s last 3 games were losses by an average of 36 points per game. UCLA gave Arizona a close game, losing by 8, and just beat the Beavers.
And then there’s the poor Cougs. I thought they almost had one this week.
In the Yell-O corner, with a 2009 conference record of 8 wins, 1 loss. The REIGNING, DEFENDING, UNDISPUTED Champions of the PAC 10. The Oregon Ducks!
I'm ready to PANIC for the Cal road game.
Anyone else? That defense of theirs is very, very good at home.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
It's supposed to be sunny in Berkeley next Saturday.
We can take solace in that.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Nov 7, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
And I won't be watching or on the game thread (unless theres wi fi on the plane)
so you can take solace in that.
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
by axemen23 on Nov 7, 2010 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Our karma or yours?
I mean listen, we’re sitting here talking about rankings, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we’re talking about rankings.
by HoodRiverDuck on Nov 8, 2010 5:17 AM PST up reply actions
As long as we don't have the great deluge of 2008
I will feel a little better, but still. I don’t know what to expect from Cal
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Here’s the thing that I don’t think most people are considering because this is our first time in this position – we are going to get every team’s best shot. We knew coming into this year we’d get everyone’s best shot because we are the defending Pac 10 champs. But now that we have the #1 in the nation status, we’re going to get their absolute best shot. This is what happened against the fuskies. Every team we play is going to come out totally hyped up, like everyone used to do against USC. That’s why USC always dropped a game they had no business dropping.
We already know that Cal is a different team at home. They haven’t lost a home game this season. They are going to come out and give us their best shot, and we need to get used to that. That being said, we should win. We should win every game for the rest of the season, but you just never know in college football. I can only take solace in the fact that this team seems very focused after our loss last season against Stanford, and the fact that Chip seems to have the team thinking the right way.
Also, something I hadn’t thought about until seeing a highlight this afternoon…I think Darron Thomas may have been “off” early yesterday because of being over-hyped. But I don’t know how much of it was because of the rivalry. I say that because they showed his family in the crowd visiting from Texas and I wonder if he was just really pumped to be playing in front of his family.
In the Yell-O corner, with a 2009 conference record of 8 wins, 1 loss. The REIGNING, DEFENDING, UNDISPUTED Champions of the PAC 10. The Oregon Ducks!
by MarineCorpsDuck on Nov 7, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
I feel that it actually worked in our favor for the UW game
They came out so fired up on D that they looked gassed by the 2nd quarter. At that point, we ran away with it once we stopped turning the ball over. Our depth has been HUGE this year in terms of our success. Also, the fact that we have won games scoring on offense, defense, and special teams makes me hopeful that we will continue this run.
As far as Thomas being off, he wasn’t too far off, I saw some nice throws here and there. He just missed a few wide open guys, which isn’t good, but DT has been so excellent the past few games we take for granted that he’s only a sophomore and he’ll probably have rough patches here and there. The best part is that he didn’t force anything into coverage and didn’t have anything close to an INT. The fumbles were bad though. He needed to get rid of the ball faster on the strip, and the exchange fumble was totally his fault. But we haven’t seen him fumble much at all, and it’s way better than last year, when we were watching Masoli carry the ball like a loaf of bread and fumble frequently.
I totally agree that we “should” win out. But UW was a wakeup call in that if we don’t play well for a period of time (especially with bad turnovers), we might end up not being able to recover. Cal is a much better team than UW IMO, but again, I just don’t know how good they really are. Cal hasn’t been tested by a good team at home, even though they’ve been dominant.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
We already know that Cal is a different team at home. They haven’t lost a home game this season.
Rob Moseley said it best here:
Cal is 4-0 at home this season and 1-4 on the road, but the Bears have faced much tougher competition on the road (Nevada, Arizona, USC, OSU, WSU) than at home (UC Davis, Colorado, UCLA, ASU) so it’s hard to know what to make of the discrepancy.
I don’t know what to expect from Cal
Neither do we!!!!
by atomsareenough on Nov 8, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Disagree about the call in the OSU/UCLA game
Maybe there was an issue with the official clock dude, but the replay showed the receiver with one foot out of bounds and 1 second left on the clock.
Besides, if it results in a heartbreaking loss for the Beavers, I’m cool with it.
The problem was
The clock didn’t start for over a second after the ball was snapped, meaning that if the timing was done correctly, the clock should have hit 0 before the receiver went out of bounds.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
but the timing wasn’t done correctly, the receiver had time to step out of bounds based on the clock … it’s not like the refs could have said, “well you DID step out of bounds with a second on the clock, but the clock was wrong and you should have known that and stepped out of bounds a second and a half earlier”
I don't know what the ruling is for a timing issue like that
Just a weird play all around.
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speaking of officiating
During yesterday’s game, I thought I saw a washington player step out of bounds
2 yds. short of the 1st down marker, and the replay on the j-tron showed, CLEARY,
that he did. Yet the line judge took the ball and spotted it far enough ahead for a 1st
down. Did I miss something on that call?
Nope.
That was just an awful, awful call.
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UO: #1 in the polls, #1 in our hearts. Finally, the stars align.
One of many, many, awful, awful calls.
My personal favorite is the Husky player shoving the gunner into the punt returner from behind, and the refs calling interference…
that one stood out like a sore thumb from the crowd
but there were some awful calls on both teams in that game. I’ve come to expect it from Pac-10 refs.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
My favorite was when Price scrambled to the left, stumbled back to the right, put the ball to the ground, lifted it back up and took off to the right.
Shoulda been down where the ball hit the ground. No call.
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA
That's not a good example.
A player is only down when a part of the body other than the hands or feet touches the ground.
"I don't know, I'm not into statements. I just end up winning games bud, I dunno." - tChip Kelly
That was the worst spot I have ever seen by a MILE.
It’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-T-I-G-H-T-A-T-T-H-E-H-E-E-L"
So you're saying they spotted it 18 football fields away or so?
I mean listen, we’re sitting here talking about rankings, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we’re talking about rankings.
by HoodRiverDuck on Nov 8, 2010 5:18 AM PST up reply actions
8. California 20, Washington State 13 – Uh, really, Cal? I know you’ve been atrocious on the road this year, but this is unacceptable. You’re better than this. But if you’re not, it’s going to be a long day in Berkeley next weekend when our No. 1 Ducks pay a visit.
Uh, starting our backup with minimal game experience, no, no we aren’t better than this.
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And what about the 'Unnecessary Roughness' on Darrion Weems? Replay showed nada on my TV.....? 60 some yard gain + 15 yard 'mystery' penalty!!
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA
If I recall correctly, the penalty on that play was for clubbing the back of the d-lineman’s head as he went by.
They called it on the wrong player. Holmes did it.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Nov 7, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
most painful non-call
obvious roughing of DT well after hand-off which should have given Oregon 1st and Goal. Instead- botched 4th down field goal attempt with injury to Costa. Ouch.
something like that.
that seemed like a blatant cheat/cheap shot
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
what’s the rule when the QB is executing a fake like he has the ball still?
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Nov 7, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
That’s a tough call. If I remember correct, DT got hit as he was turning around after the fake. How is a defensive player supposed to know if he had the ball or not? I’m fine with the no call.
"I don't know, I'm not into statements. I just end up winning games bud, I dunno." - tChip Kelly
thats how i remember it also. it was less of a fake than he usually does but you still couldn’t tell. LMJ gets killed every play no matter what.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Nov 7, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
If a player makes a fake hand off he’s open to being hit.
by sacduxnutz on Nov 8, 2010 8:22 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
i thought
you had a free shot at the qb on the option. pretty sure the rules are different on a run play vs a pass play
Oderint Dum Metuant
lets start the cal bashing off right.

"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
I'll ask the question that's on everyones mind.
What should the profile image for CaDuck be for the Cal game?
"I don't know, I'm not into statements. I just end up winning games bud, I dunno." - tChip Kelly
Does anybody have a pic of Twistnhook?
Axemen23 is a cat lady. - Brian
by Bill Musgrave on Nov 7, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
This is my high school senior portrait

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by TwistNHook on Nov 7, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Right on cue, perfect.
"I don't know, I'm not into statements. I just end up winning games bud, I dunno." - tChip Kelly
Official Memorial Stadium Usher

Average Score Since 2004:
Oregon 44 Washington 17 (Updated)
by benzduck on Nov 7, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 15 recs
Outstanding work.
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Welcome to the club, Cody Ross. You can stay at my house.
Thanks. You know how long it took me to find the right tone for that sweater? Hundreds of millions of nanoseconds, I tells ya.
If interested, it’s Pantone 129, rendered in Photoshop as RGB 243,207,69.
Average Score Since 2004:
Oregon 44 Washington 17 (Updated)
It’s a really fantastic color.
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Brilliant amber indeed.
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We’re working out an ATQ-ATQ South tailgate. Details to follow.
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@D_Black12 (Devon Blackmon)
Ayoooo, I didn’t commit to oregon, its outta OREGON,CAL,UCLA,FLORIDA,and USC,I mean OREGON IS # ONE tht speaks for it self!Ya chOose for me?
he’s pretty proud of his Oregon gear he got this weekend on his visit.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Ya chOse for me?
Really?
"I don't know, I'm not into statements. I just end up winning games bud, I dunno." - tChip Kelly
Not planning to be an English major, I guess.
Average Score Since 2004:
Oregon 44 Washington 17 (Updated)
lets see
you don’t get the O reference?
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
I get that
It was more of the, you choose for me what I should do part. That’s just how I see it.
"I don't know, I'm not into statements. I just end up winning games bud, I dunno." - tChip Kelly
grammar police hate twitter. he’s probably on a cell.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Nov 7, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
Is this is what he meant?

"I don't know, I'm not into statements. I just end up winning games bud, I dunno." - tChip Kelly
Damn, typo #2, goodnight everyone.
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I'm no dentist, but our uniforms are flossin'
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Did you hear that Remene Alston likes sour and tart drinks?
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
In the Interesting If Useless Stuff I Never Would Have Guessed department..
Kansas State has played Texas 11 times and holds a 6-5 edge in the series.
And KSt has won the last three games — 45-42 in Manhattan in ‘06, 41-21 in Austin two years ago, and 39-14 in yesterday’s beatdown in Manhattan.
Damn. Remember when Texas used to be good?
Average Score Since 2004:
Oregon 44 Washington 17 (Updated)
KSU threw the ball, what, five times in that game?
I know they didn’t have a completion until the third quarter.
2/4, 9 yds, no INTs, no TDs.
Quarterback listed as “C. Klein.” I’m assuming the C doesn’t stand for Calvin, but with numbers like that, who knows?
Average Score Since 2004:
Oregon 44 Washington 17 (Updated)
I didn't know Bill Snyder also played QB
"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso
I was looking back in the search at Dawg Pound to see if I'd ever called Masoli a good passer over there (long story), and found this.
Ça plane pour moi.
This is awesome
Yet to me there are two QBs that stand above the rest during their college careers (stats aside).
1. John Elway
2. Jake Locker
If you compare both careers they are very simular. Both played on some lousy football teams, both arewere accomplished football and baseball players, both are/were the complete student-athlete, both are/were very athletic and mobile, and both have a cannon for an arm and I think when it is all said and done Jake just might be as good if not better then John. The best comparison of Jake Locker right now is John Elway.
4 out of 20 people agree that Jake Locker just might as good if not better than John Elway.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
by baseb3383 on Nov 7, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
This is the most amazing quote that I have ever seen.
Self anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Mr. Polk, we all know that "?" is a far better back than you!
how would you respond to the following?
….“Oregon is not a #1 team until they dominate from start to finish. Forget the hype. Prove it on the field or get the fuck out”. This was texted to me following the win over the huskies. By a duck fan.
we don’t have to be #1. We only have to be #2
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Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
I'm pretty sure that was the UCLA game
--Dave
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Why even waste your time responding to someone with that kind of irrational perspective? You’ll never get those minutes back.
In Chip I trust. In Nick, not so much.
But if you don't have rollover, you might lose them anyway.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
The Oregon Ducks once took a delay of game penalty, just to see how it felt.
A win over a #1 team on the road would really help our BCS resume.
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But we just agreed that Cal was #1. They can’t beat themselves!
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You respond by deleting that person from your contacts list.
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