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Brother v. Brother: Reno 911, Glendale 411, and the Battle for 541 (and 503...and 971)

Everyone has an arch nemesis. Mine just happens to be my older brother. But our incessant bickering has led to many an entertaining discussion through the years. And because much of these debates have centered on college sports, it seems only appropriate we take them to the blogosphere to settle them once and for all. Here's your weekly brotherly debate, affectionately known as Sh*t My Brother Says.

PaulSF: True or false: I saw Tangled last weekend...and enjoyed it.

GrumpyJDH: And to think our faithful readers — all 4 of them — would prefer to hang out with you as much as they'd prefer to kick it with me. If you didn't already have a girlfriend, I'd certainly wonder how you were ever going to get one. Then again, maybe the ladies dig a man who's in touch with his inner 6-year-old. Just hope you didn't opt for that over the Friday nightcap in Reno. Tell me you didn't do that, Paully.

PaulSF: Joe, of course I didn't. Are you kidding me?! I might be a pushover when it comes to the ladies (namely my girlfriend), but there was absolutely no WAY I was going to miss the highly touted triple-header. By the way, did you have any idea how cold it gets in Reno during the winter? Yeah, neither did Boise State kicker, Kyle Brotzman.

GrumpyJDH: It's apparently gotten a lot chillier for him since. Seriously, Broncos fans? Here's an idea: Get some perspective, get a life, and get over it. Oh, and when you're done doing all that, don't forget to book your tickets to San Francisco. I hear it's quite lovely this time of year.

PaulSF: And try not to think about how much lovelier it is in Glendale...or Pasadena. On the bright side, at least you'll be fighting hunger with the fine folks at Kraft, an undoubtedly worthy cause.

GrumpyJDH: A fight you've been waging for 28 years, Paully, and (apparently) winning. I mean, you're a picture of health!

PaulSF: What can I say? A steady diet of Kraft Mac & Cheese will do wonders for one's physique. In all seriousness, (1) does a heartbreaking loss to a solid Nevada team really undo what the Broncos have achieved this season? After all, they'll (likely) finish 11-1. Only nine teams in the country have as few or fewer losses.

Star-divide

GrumpyJDH: Unfortunately for them, it does in the only way that matters. With 21 returning starters and a lofty preseason ranking, the national championship was clearly their goal from the outset. They needed to achieve perfection to get there, they were more than capable of doing that, and they simply didn't get it done. Bottom line. Yeah, Brotzman missed a couple of chippies. However, he wouldn't have been in that position if the Broncos D hadn't suddenly gone AWOL in the second half. Even more than those late misses, it was Boise's failure to contain the Pistol that floored me. Nevada made them look slow. That isn't a word I would have used to describe that defense prior to last Friday night.

PaulSF: Yeah, the second-half collapse by Boise's D absolutely shocked me. We're talking about the nation's No. 1 rushing defense coming into the game, which was giving up an average of 72.3 yards a game, surrendering 239 yards on the ground...IN THE SECOND HALF! That, by the way, is 10 more yards than the 229.2 total yards they'd been giving up per game on average. They didn't go AWOL, Joe. They were Pistol-whipped and left for dead in a deserted alley.

Of course, Boise State's loss is TCU's gain. Twice, apparently. Not only do the Horned Frogs get to go BCS bowling in place of the Broncos, but they're also abandoning the Mountain West (Boise's new home next fall) and taking the conference's AQ hopes with them. Talk about rubbing salt in the wound. (2) What's your take on the Horned Frogs' move to the Big East?

GrumpyJDH: Sure hope they're prepared to double — scratch that — triple that travel budget. What's the closest Big East school to Fort Worth? Louisville? Clearly, it doesn't make geographical sense. However, a Mountain West minus Utah and BYU was starting to look an awful lot like the WAC. I think they're making the right move if their goal is to eat at the big boy table.

PaulSF: They're definitely making the right move. My only question is why not leverage an invite from the Big East to lobby for a spot in the now 10-team Big 12? It makes perfect geographic sense, and the difference in revenue sharing is probably a wash with the money saved from not sending your women's lacrosse team halfway across the continent to play St. John's.

And yes, Louisville will now be their closest conference mate. Their next closest? South Florida. Yikes.

GrumpyJDH: Makes you wonder if the Big East needs TCU more than TCU needs the Big East. We're talking about a team that's one slip-up away from the NCG, after all, as opposed to a league that's about to send a four-loss team to a BCS game. Speaking of potential slip-ups, it sounds like the Cam Newton saga won't be playing out on top of all the other usual BCS drama. He's been cleared to play and it appears he's safe to focus on the Tigers' task at hand: beating South Carolina and giving us the matchup everyone wants. (3) Does Auburn get the job done this weekend in Atlanta?

PaulSF: Would you bet against them at this point?

GrumpyJDH: Yeah, they're definitely starting to look like one of those proverbial teams of destiny, aren't they? They've dodged several bullets this year — Mississippi St., LSU, South Carolina the first time around — but none more life-threatening than Bama's first half explosion last week. Nevertheless, they got their stuff together, stoned a strong Tide offense in the second half, and survived. Oh, and they did it on the road. Pretty impressive stuff, for sure.

PaulSF: The Tigers have clearly been blessed by the venerable Reverend Cecil Newton. Although I still think Auburn's defense on the whole is suspect, its run defense is surprisingly stout (currently No. 10 in the country). In other words, stopping freshman sensation Marcus Lattimore shouldn't be an issue, and if the Tigers can manage that, they'll win.

GrumpyJDH: Before we get to that other big matchup this weekend, what's your take on the rest of the ever-crystallizing BCS picture, Paully? (4) Are a basketball school (UConn) and one of the nation's elite academic institutions (Stanford) really going to be playing for the big bread instead of the same old cast of traditional characters come January?

PaulSF: Stanford is definitely in, but I think UConn is going to dump one on the road to a South Florida team coming off last weekend's big win over Miami. So, assuming West Virginia beats Rutgers in Morgantown, the Mountaineers will represent the Big East. Based on the BCS's convoluted selection process (which I don't understand at all), here are my predictions for all the BCS matchups: Oregon-Auburn (NCG), Wisconsin-TCU (Rose), Nebraska-Stanford (Fiesta), Ohio State-Arkansas (Sugar), Florida State-West Virginia (Orange). Many of these are already a lock, but a lot can happen this weekend to alter the landscape.

GrumpyJDH: That's an understatement. Remember 2001? How about the year before that? Of course, our Ducks were deeply involved in both controversies and would be again if the unthinkable happened this Saturday.

PaulSF: Don't tempt the Juju, Joe.

GrumpyJDH: Superstition doesn't lose football games, Paully.

PaulSF: As if this column by Ivan Maisel didn't freak me out enough, now I've got Big Bro piling on. (5) Are you suggesting Ducks fans should beware of the Beaver?

GrumpyJDH: Shouldn't we always? Look, all I'm saying is that none of this boooolsh*t psych-out stuff is going to amount to a hill of beans come Saturday. The Ducks are better in every possible way between the lines (offense, defense, special teams) and, if they're ready to play and play to their potential, it's going to be a burial. A four or five touchdown burial. They're that much better. So, don the white on white, I say, come out with some swagger, and take it to little brother already.

PaulSF: In other words, "Win The Day." You could make the argument that all those outside distractions that have spoiled seasons for more than 5 different teams since 1998 on Championship Saturday, as Maisel pointed out, were the result of compounding pressure from the enormity of the moment. But we've already had chances to blow this opportunity, and we haven't. We've won 11 game days this season. We simply need to win one more. It just happens to be the most important day in the history of the program. And apparently an important day for Chipper's bank account.

GrumpyJDH: Can't disagree with that. So by how much do we "win the day?" Score me, Paully.

PaulSF: Oregon 60, Oregon State 24. And they're celebrating at Rennie's.

GrumpyJDH: Ducks 51, Beavs 20, Miller Lites 6 (ish).

PaulSF: Or, for you ATQ beer snobs, a Dogfish Head 90-Minute IPA. For Big Bro and me, it's Miller Lite vortex bottles. And lots of them.

Another week, another familial debate. And we haven't gotten into a fistfight. Yet. I'd say it's a resounding success. Until next week...

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While you guys were talking, the ODU guys just put up 15K votes on us!

EEEEK!

Nate Costa -- all class, grace, character and talent. Oregon thanks you, Nate!

by gamedaytribe on Dec 2, 2010 10:39 AM PST reply actions  

I have no idea

where they get their votes. They magically do this every day! And always by 10k+ votes

BCS stands for Boise Can Suck it. I am naturally a proud supporter of the current BCS system.

by Brass-billed on Dec 2, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

There's nothing civil about this war

The only thing I love more than the Ducks beating OSU is when we roll Stanford.

by NikkiDC on Dec 2, 2010 10:54 AM PST reply actions  

OH HAI NIK!

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by PaulSF on Dec 2, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Can I join your family too, Paul?

It’s spelled "S-H-U-C-A-N-T-W-I-N-T-H-E-W-A-C"

by JShufelt on Dec 2, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Only if you like Miller Lites.

Or a cheap buttery chardonnay.

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by PaulSF on Dec 2, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I see this won’t work out very well.

It’s spelled "S-H-U-C-A-N-T-W-I-N-T-H-E-W-A-C"

by JShufelt on Dec 2, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

In their shoes

It’s easy to get down on BSU fans for getting down on their kicker but wouldn’t many Oregon fans do the same thing if they lost to the Beavs after a miracle throw and two missed chip shots? It’s crazy but this happens with every team that loses like that, I was too young to remember the Buffalo Bills and Florida States Wide Left/Rights-games and this is the craziest kicking loss I’ve ever seen, it was exciting but many fans are no different than Boise fans.

by ericforeman04 on Dec 2, 2010 11:16 AM PST reply actions  

I can't disagree with you.

Case in point: Oregon State’s Alexis Serna.

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by PaulSF on Dec 2, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I love this format!

I really hope you continue this after the football season. God knows there has to be at least five questions you two can banter about week after week!

Good work!

i can't believe you survived on this blog --
by axemen23 on Sep 2, 2010 9:06 PM PDT

by 071903 on Dec 2, 2010 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

Thanks!

We plan to keep doing it. We’ll start talking college hoops after this weekend, likely. And at some point, we’ll probably cover pointless sports topics that have nothing to do with the Ducks, just to fill the space.

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by PaulSF on Dec 2, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope I speak for everyone here

but I would also find something non-sports related pretty humorous too. We can get OT on here easily and sometimes it is welcome. It’s like you’ve replaced Tako Tuesday and we don’t mind.

i can't believe you survived on this blog --
by axemen23 on Sep 2, 2010 9:06 PM PDT

by 071903 on Dec 2, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

This would be great

I’ll adopt JShufelt as my sister and she and I can do one too.

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by Matt Daddy on Dec 2, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Alright!

It’s spelled "S-H-U-C-A-N-T-W-I-N-T-H-E-W-A-C"

by JShufelt on Dec 2, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Marcus Lattimore

why does that name ring a bell, weren’t we in the running for him during his recruitment?

...GO DOUG...

by Your Favorite Team's Favorite Team on Dec 2, 2010 11:30 AM PST reply actions  

Yup.

We were in his final three, but then it came down to South Carolina and, believe it or not, Auburn. Can you imagine if he’d become a Tiger instead? Yikes!

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by PaulSF on Dec 2, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

jeez

that WOULD be scary. Pretty auspicious company to be in when recruiting a top RB though huh? We were one of three in this guy’s final choices, one of the two is playing for the NC game, the other for the SEC championship.

My how far the ducks have come.

...GO DOUG...

by Your Favorite Team's Favorite Team on Dec 2, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

He made the right choice.

One knock about Auburn was that they already had a top-shelf RB recruit committed. Dyer’s pretty good, but even if Lattimore beat Dyer for the job, he’d be doing the same thing- putting up OK numbers as third fiddle to the Cam Newton Show. [Just doublechecked and Dyer’s actually had a pretty good season, not that far behind Lattimore with 886 yards] Oregon would have been a similar scenario – between James, Barner, Huff, the revitalized passing game with Thomas, he wasn’t going to get the same opportunity. It wasn’t clear in February that Cam Newton would be Cam Newton, or that Oregon would do things the way they do, but their schemes weren’t going to let him do what he’s done at S.Carolina no matter what.

Instead, he stepped into an offense that was ready to put it all on him, and he’s nearly a national name already.

by omb on Dec 2, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know why any top shelf RB would want to come to Oregon the next few years

Possibly James returning, Barner, Lache, Williams…

I’m surprised Bigelow even has Oregon high on that list.

by skyo12 on Dec 2, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

If you are good, Chip will find a way to get you the ball. Everyone can bring something different. Diversity wins the day!

It’s spelled "S-H-U-C-A-N-T-W-I-N-T-H-E-W-A-C"

by JShufelt on Dec 2, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Well

Oregon is one of the few schools out there that will give underclassmen a chance to shine over an established player.

Oregon also piles up close to 600 yards a game and 50 points a game. With the amount of substitutions and the sheer amount of running we do, you can be a backup running back and easily gain 100 yards a game some times. One of the reasons that LMJ has had such a stupidly good stat season is simply that he was playing when it would normally have been Barner.

And honestly? I don’t see LMJ sticking around much. He’s an All-American, a Pac-10 Academic All-American, will be invited to the Heisman competition and is likely to own almost every RB record at Oregon after only two seasons. The only reason not to go to the NFL is if they don’t forecast him being a great early draft and would like to see more of him, but I suspect he’d go in the 1st round if he went now. And I’d be sad to see him go, but I’d totally understand him leaving.

by kalon on Dec 2, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

You mean like USC in the Pete Carroll era?

Shoot, I don’t mind them coming to Oregon at all!

I’ll point out though that LMJ still carried the ball 28 times while playing basically half the game against Arizona even with Barner available all game. I just think CK has that much faith in LMJ during crunch time.

As for his draft status, I looked around the mock drafts and I don’t think I’ve seen a mock draft that includes LMJ in the first round. Who knows, I have a feeling he’ll be back next year since he wants to graduate but you never know.

by skyo12 on Dec 2, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Because he might play WR, Slot, RB, KR, PR,

and heck, even QB. Maybe in the same game.

4 minutes is no problem for an "elite defense."

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 2, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

IT'S ALL A YANKEE CONSPIRACY PAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWL

Whoops, wrong conference, wrong call-in show.

/finebaum’d

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Dec 2, 2010 11:33 AM PST reply actions  

I don't know why everyone is confident that Auburn is going to win the SEC champ game.

First of all they haven’t been spectacular on the road or away from home (especially with only 4 road games all year and only one real test). Yes they beat So Car earlier this year, but at home and it wasn’t a blow out by any means and SC dominated them in passing yards and can definitely put up points. Plus, this is Steve Spurrier.

I think SC wins this one and throws the BCS into utter cluster fuck.

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by Matt Daddy on Dec 2, 2010 1:45 PM PST reply actions  

Seriously

USC played Auburn incredibly tough AT Auburn earlier in the season and probably sould have won that game. Garcia got pulled and the backup QB threw 2 INTs.

Alshon Jeffrey is going to tear that secondary apart and I’m pretty sure CN isn’t going to go off like he did in the first game. I really think SC is going to be confident and I really think they’ll win.

by skyo12 on Dec 2, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

plus

Lattimore was a non-factor in that game (33 yards on 14 carries) and has only gotten better as the season has progressed. If Garcia doesn’t play like… well, Garcia… I think SC has a really good shot.

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by Matt Daddy on Dec 2, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point about Lattimore

If Garcia can play about 80% as well he did against Alabama, SC should win by two TDs. If Auburn falls behind big in this game, I don’t know how much future game magic they would have to sacrifice to pull it out again. They remind me of Iowa last year how they pull wins out of their ass.

by skyo12 on Dec 2, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Including him throwing the ball through his own upright?

It’s spelled "S-H-U-C-A-N-T-W-I-N-T-H-E-W-A-C"

by JShufelt on Dec 2, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

?

Garcia threw the ball out of his own upright? The stupidest play I’ve seen him make this year was that throw he made at the end of the game against Kentucky which got intercepted when they were in FG position.

by skyo12 on Dec 2, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Against Alabama, there was a bad snap, and he scooped it up, and then threw it backwards out of the end zone for a safety.

It’s spelled "S-H-U-C-A-N-T-W-I-N-T-H-E-W-A-C"

by JShufelt on Dec 2, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I know you guys feel pretty adamently about this...

But I just can’t see it happening. Auburn is on some kind of whimsical journey sponsored by God himself. Head Ball Coach isn’t going to stop the train. We, on the other hand, should.

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by PaulSF on Dec 2, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I know

Auburn is on some kind of whimsical journey sponsored by God himself.

It’s as if someone at the school made a very large donation to a church or something.

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by Matt Daddy on Dec 2, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

v

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Dec 2, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

ILOLIRL

"Hawaii doesn't win many games in the United States." -Lee Corso

by axemen23 on Dec 2, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Too bad I won't be watching

SEC championship game is on at the same time as the Civil War. Who scheduled that one?

by SeattleDucks on Dec 2, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Civil War'll be over by halftime.

It was savvy scheduling. ;-)

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by PaulSF on Dec 2, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Considering I live in SC, and because I'veseen everyone of their games, I think of myself as an expert on this South Carolina team

This South Carolina team is only as good as Garcia plays. If not for his two fumbles in the fourth quarter of their previous game against Auburn, they win that game. That being said, I can’t see Garcia playing spotless football.

Q: How come Oregon State players haven't gotten in trouble for stealing anything from a frat house?

A: Who wants to steal a lunchbox?

by QuackQuackAttack on Dec 2, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

For some reason I always call him Smelley Garcia. I guess I’m mixing up the last two SC QBs. Even though he plays like that a lot.

Nobody cares about burritos or potato salad.

by Jayon on Dec 2, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, the part about TCU's travel schedule is wrong...

once Boise, Nevada and Fresno joined the MWC, TCU actually would have traveled as far or farther to those locales than to ones in the Big East.

TCU-Fresno: 1536 miles
TCU-Boise: 1602 miles
TCU-Reno:1659 miles.
TCU-Utah: 1223 miles
Big East:
TCU-UConn: 1722 miles
TCU-WV: 1239 miles
TCU-Tampa: 1135 miles
Thats just a few random examples. Not to nitpick or anything…

KU fans-how I hate thee!

by quack785 on Dec 2, 2010 2:17 PM PST reply actions  

That's a great point that I haven't heard anyone making

With the exits of Utah and BYU from the MWC and the MWC doing it’s best to rape the WAC of what pieces are worth taking, it just might have pushed TCU to look elsewhere because of the travel schedule it was creating. What puzzles me, is why didn’t the Big 12 make any push whatsoever to get TCU? Are they just resigned to being blown up in a couple of years?

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by Matt Daddy on Dec 2, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

TCU doesn't add a TV market

thats why

--Dave

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by David Piper on Dec 2, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point.

But take the TOTAL yardage traveled for the two complete conferences, and it’s a different story.

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by PaulSF on Dec 2, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually..

The travel time and cost is less overall especially considering the placement of airports in relation to opponents site. Ft. Collins, and Colorado Springs aren’t easy to fly into,

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by Ravenous Ute on Dec 2, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure I follow.

You’re saying it’s cheaper overall to play in the Big East? I need numbers to back that up. There is no way when the CLOSEST team is 1000 miles away.

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by PaulSF on Dec 2, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions  

ouch

Boise joined the Mountain West and suddenly TCU goes wide right. It is painful for Boise fans. All the “respectable” nonAQs are leaving so I guess Boise will be in line to crash the BCS for the next few years. Shouldn’t be too tough to be ranked 12 and ahead of at least one AQ conference champion if the Big East and ACC beat each other up a little.

The real pain in this situation is losing a conference foe in Texas. That is a hotbed of recruiting; just look at some of the players on Oregon’s roster. I heard Maisel give a stat like 25% off all recruits last year in the Mountain West conference came from Texas. The Big East had about a dozen kids from Texas. When you play in front of Texas kids on a regular basis and can establish relationships with H.S. coaches and look at players when you are down there for a conference game- it really helps to build your program. I’m hoping a Texas school or two will be added to the Mountain West. I think Boise will be just fine.

by flyfishferg on Dec 2, 2010 3:29 PM PST reply actions  

Something like this?

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by Wheatboy on Dec 2, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

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