Quack Fix: Pac-10 expansion and TV network rumors, Seastrunk already a future Heisman candidate
by PaulSF on Feb 10, 2010 7:00 AM PST
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Another slow offseason news day, so I've added a poll. But first, your Morning Quack Fix:
- Is Pac-10 expansion a realistic possibility? That's what it sounded like during conference commissioner Larry Scott's teleconference with reporters on Monday. Additionally, a Pac-10 TV network could be in the works as well based on speculation surrounding the hiring of former Big 12 commissioner Kevin Weiberg as the Pac-10's deputy commissioner. But the real question: Which schools would be a part of the expansion (see poll)?
- It's probably way too early to even think about this, but new 5-star recruit Lache Seastrunk has already been tabbed as a potential Heisman Trophy candidate of the future by Heisman Pundit. Hell, why even play the games? All the recent excitement about potential is enough for me!
- ESPN.com's Andy Katz thinks the Oregon should fire Ernie Kent "only if it knows it can get someone it truly covets" (read: Mark Few). He also gives a shout-out to Mac Court, saying it "should go down as a historical site" when the Ducks move on after this season. You're preaching to the choir, Andy!
- ESPN.com's Ted Miller continued rolling out his postseason Pac-10 top 30 player rankings, and coming in at No. 13 is Oregon's Ed Dickson. Dickson moved up three spots from his preseason No. 16 ranking.
- Dickson wasn't the only one to get a little love from Miller. Our very own Takimoto's uniform post from yesterday got a shout-out.
- The R-G's Rob Moseley listed a few key spring dates. Spring practices begin March 30. Am I already thinking about the "start" of the 2010 season? Absolutely.
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I still remain undecided on whether I want the Pac to expand,
But I know that a Pac-10 network would be nice to see. Anything is better than FSN West.
LaMichael James + Kenjon Barner + Lache Seastrunk + Dontae Williams + Josh Huff + Keanon Lowe + Remene Alston +...
If it aint broke, dont fix it...
No need to water down the Pac-10 with more teams. But it would be easy to hate on BYU and Utah. A lot like Stanford…
I'd rather die on my feet than be living on my knees
BYU's no-Sunday rule probably excludes them
For those that may not know, they refuse to play any games on Sundays. This would make scheduling them alone a lot harder.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
It heard a rumor that Texas was a possibility to get in
Stackin' wins like legos; toastin' Pac-10 like de eggos
And was told to you
By some drunk fraternity boy from OSU right? Either him or Max Wolford.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Texas was asked back in the day, when the Big 12 did not exist and they were part of the SWC. It could have happened, but the Pac-10 vote was not unanimous, so no Texas.
I doubt that Texas would even entertain the idea these days.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
They are so set as is, it just seems it would make no sense.
They dominate the TV revenue for the Big 12 and therefore get just about whatever coverage they want and wield a lot of decision making influence. They also have, essentially, the most likely march to the NCG or BCS at minimum every year of possibly any team in the nation. They get the early season reputation ranking, dominate soft preseason, very likely dominate conference (typically with one big showdown with Oklahoma, and maybe a 2nd with whoever the rising star is each year – Neb last year, TTech the year before), and then have a Big 12 championship game typically against a weaker oponent that still gives them that end of season conf championship boost.
As fun as it might be, I agree, I think that ship sailed many moons ago.
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by Bill Musgrave on Feb 10, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
The Big 12’s revenue sharing isn’t as evenly spread a the Big Eleven’s, IIRC. That’s incentive for Mizzou to jump, but incentive for UT to stay.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
by AllSaintsDay on Feb 11, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not so sure that it ain’t broke. Ted Miller has often made a good case that the PAC-10’s round robin schedule is its biggest hindrance toward multiple BCS berths.
As much as I like the Round Robin schedule, I just don’t know that it makes sense in the New Football World Order.
The "O" stands for "Oh dear god, when does football season start again?"
by ProbablyMonty on Feb 10, 2010 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
FWIW, I hate the New Football World Order.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
by AllSaintsDay on Feb 10, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Ted Miller is wrong. It does not affect multiple BCS berths. It does affect bowl eligibility in general.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I agree with Ted. Conferences that don’t play a round robin generally play 1 less conference game a year. Having an extra win here and there on the schedule has your team higher in the rankings and BCS. Pac-10 is at a disadvantage this way
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
The problem is too many hard games in general. You can play just one tough NC a year like most of the country, and like half our conference is this year, and that would do a lot to “solve the problem” too.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
by AllSaintsDay on Feb 10, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
It’s only playing with odds.
We lost to Stanford last season. An 8 conference schedule only helps us last year if we were to not have played Stanford, and we played a team like Montana State instead.
What if we missed out on USC instead? Now a great win is gone, and a great loss is still there. And the rest of the conference/nation goes “Well, they didn’t have to go against ‘Big bad USC’”
Even IF we missed a team like WSU, AND beat Stanford, we’d be 11-1. What Bowl game would we have gone to last year then? Alabama, Texas, TCU, Boise State, Cincinnati were all undefeated. We go to the Rose Bowl.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
The point of adding more teams is to also have a conference championship. So we would have had to play the “big bad” Trojans (well not last year). I’m in favor of expansion. We would have divisions, which would make rivalries even more important. Even in a somewhat down year, we could compete for the division crown against OS and UW.
Conference championship game will have a national television audience and played in a neutral site. It will determine the champion instead of possibly ending in a lame 3 way tie. Think of how much attention the Civil War received this year. Why? Because it was for the RB. Now imagine a game every year for the rose bowl.
I agree that playing everybody is awesome. But with the BCS and with our conference wanting more exposure, you need a championship game.
by westspec on Feb 10, 2010 11:37 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
The point of adding more teams is not just to have a conference championship
It is also to increase our revenue by expanding into TV markets that are yet untapped. Couple that with a new TV deal in 2012-2013 and you’re looking at hitting a bid payday.
This move is not just to have a conference championship in football by any means.
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
I’d like to take this opportunity to express how much I hate Conference Championship games.
I really hate conference championship games. It doesn’t do what it supposedly “accomplishes”
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
Sometimes the conference championship games don’t get it right (big 12 in 08), but for the most part, conf champ games pit the two best teams against each other: sec last 2 years.
Why do you hate conf champ games? The only reason I ever hear is sometimes the two best teams are in the same division. My response to that argument is so what? No one thought Nebraska was going to be a challenge for Texas, but that turned out to be a good game.
I’d rather have a conference champ game with the national audience and the hype that surrounds it and risk that sometimes it won’t be a great matchup.
by westspec on Feb 10, 2010 12:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
and we now have a post on the subject
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Feb 10, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Conference championship game will have a national television audience and played in a neutral site
and that neutral site could perhaps someday be Los Angeles Stadium
Shufelt is right
And the actual scenarios back that up.
The last year the Pac-10 had a real shot at an at-large BCS bid was 2005, and Oregon missed out on playing UCLA, who was the 3rd place team in the conference, and looked very strong up until the last couple of weeks. A big knock against Oregon was that they just didn’t play the best schedule. The Pac-10 was a bit down, and Oregon didn’t play one of the upper echelon teams.
The biggest problem the last few years hasn’t been the round robin schedule, but Pac-10 teams (outside of USC) crapping the bed in their out of conference games.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Also...
What’s crazy about this argument, is that it doesn’t really have a strong basis. To even come close to grabbing a second bid, crazy assumptions on scheduling must be made.
2006: If we assume Cal didn’t lose to Arizona (and assume that USC still lost to OSU), then Cal would go to the Rose Bowl per automatic qualification, and it would be a choice between USC and Notre Dame for the Sugar Bowl. I think that USC would have gotten it, but it’s no gimme. And again, this is a lot of assumptions to make in terms of how scheduling would break out.
2007: We could take any conference loss off the books, and the Pac-10 still isn’t getting a second berth, thanks to Dennis Dixon’s knee exploding.
2008: Things get dicey here again because of the one and two loss teams at the top of the conference. If you assume that Oregon or OSU could win the conference due to scheduling, then USC would have received a second at large bid. But again, to do this, we have to assume that a different team won the Pac-10. If USC wins the conference, Oregon or OSU aren’t getting bids even if a conference loss is taken off the books.
2009: We can wipe off any loss, it doesn’t matter.
In reality, the Pac-10’s problems for multiple BCS berth’s started not with round robin formatting, but with USC dominating the conference. No other team has made itself the clear number two in the conference. When they did, they were either shafted by the polls (Cal in 2004) or by poor conference scheduling/Notre Dame (Oregon in 2005).
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
2007: We could take any conference loss off the books, and the Pac-10 still isn’t getting a second berth, thanks to Dennis Dixon’s knee exploding.
But maybe if we hadn’t played Arizona State, his knee never would have been ripped up, and we would have won both the title game and the Heisman! Didn’t think about that, did ya? That’s chaos theory, bitches.
But seriously, folks — jtlight, you’re quite right that it’s not as simple as I suggested. If I correctly understood Ted’s aforementioned line of argumentation, it was A) that we’d stop playing each other for 9 games of our season, and B) that we’d fill that void with terrible games, much like teams whose athletic directors have no testicles SEC teams do. As much as I hate this suggestion, I think he’s right in that it’d get us closer to 2 BCS berths as well as more deeply embedded within the national consciousness.
I’m going to have to be much more careful about slinging stones regarding OOC schedules next year, considering that gigantic glass house we’ll be renting next fall.
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by ProbablyMonty on Feb 10, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
That’s chaos theory, bitches.
Stick to your random walks, or no more pralines for you!
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
by AllSaintsDay on Feb 10, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
And once again I clutter up AtQ by posting a reply only the two of us would understand, when I could have just walked 10 feet to your office.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
by AllSaintsDay on Feb 10, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Tennessee on the road is certainly a quality opponent. The Portland St. game is unfortunate, but they had a cancellation from Central Michigan. Generally, I think the strategy of one quality BCS opponent (UT), one mediocre BCS opponent or quality non-BCS opponent (would have been CMU) and one crappy non-BCS opponent (New Mexico) is a good one.
I just don’t like scheduling FBS teams if it can be avoided.
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I honestly don’t believe that the round robin format has almost any impact on getting at-large BCS berths. There’s really not any evidence for that.
We were far more screwed over before it was implemented. If we want to fix this problem, there are many more steps the Pac-10 must take, including getting more national recognition, better TV deals, etc. Not crapping the bed in non-conference games would help too. The biggest reason that the Big 10 has been getting at-large bids is because their teams don’t lose out of conference games (because their schedules are so crappy).
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Ted Miller has posted his Spring PAC-10 power rankings, and the Ducks come out on top. Unsurprisingly, USC is #2, and OSU sits at #3.
Miller also placed the Fuskies at #5, remarking, “The Huskies are absolutely awful this year, and Jake Locker is made entirely out of porcelain, but I’m afraid that Nick Holt will punch me in the crotch if I rank them below UCLA like I’d like to do.”
Okay, I don’t remember if that was an actual quote or not.
The "O" stands for "Oh dear god, when does football season start again?"
I agree
with the rankings for the most part. Its sure nice to see Oregon at #1
Stackin' wins like legos; toastin' Pac-10 like de eggos
Love the idea of a Pac-10 network. Hate the idea of expansion. If we want a conference championship game, just split the Pac into 2 divisions of 5.
Don't make me Blount you...
I think that league rules require us to have 12 teams if we want a championship game.
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by ProbablyMonty on Feb 10, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, NCAA rules do
Why do you think the Big 10 has been chasing ND forever? They’ll never get them (ND makes too much $ as an independent).
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Or Mizzou!
Then the Big 10 will have 12 teams and the Big 12 will have 11! Up will be down, black will be white, and Wazzu will return to relevancy!
The "O" stands for "Oh dear god, when does football season start again?"
by ProbablyMonty on Feb 10, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
the big ten has been trying to get ND forever...
they’re the most natural fit for our conference — geographically, acidemically, as well as their athletics. they’re our number one choice, and the problem isn’t moeny. they would actually make more money if they joined our conference. they just don’t need to partner right now because they enjoy their independant status.
cincinatti would not be a good fit because they don’t meet the academic standard held by the big ten, which is a huge deal.
i think the best options are either pitt or mizzou (considering notre dame is off the table).
The guy I sat next to on the bus this morning apparently hadn’t showered in weeks, so I can’t smell much of anything anymore. But yes, that seems plausible.
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by ProbablyMonty on Feb 10, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
What the heck are they going to call the Big TelevEN if they add another team? Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Big 12 is already taken.
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by Gorbachav5 on Feb 10, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
we'll stay with the big ten...
it’s not like everyone makes the “har har they can’t count they have 11 teams, not ten teams” joke — so whatever. as far as branding issues, history, we’ll stick with the big ten name.
if you look carefully, their logo has a nice “11” in it
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
This is true.
Very true. Quite true indeed.
LaMichael James + Kenjon Barner + Lache Seastrunk + Dontae Williams + Josh Huff + Keanon Lowe + Remene Alston +...
More teams mean you have better bargaining power for big TV contracts. If you want to see Pac-10 network and better TV contracts in general, expansion will probably come along with it.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
If we steal Colorado from Big 12...
who does the big 12 add to get back up to 12? TCU? Colorado State?
Stackin' wins like legos; toastin' Pac-10 like de eggos
CSU I would guess
They’ve been looking to move up for a while I’ve heard.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Im here in Big12 country (Kansas City)...
and all the talk is Mizzou to the Big 10 and TCU to the Big 12
I'd rather die on my feet than be living on my knees
Boise St.
I am with all of you as far as the hatred for the broncos. Fuck BSU! On the other side of that coin though having them in the p10 would be a great way to never have to see them in a BCS game. I am sure I am not alone in this, but having them play a pac 10 schedule every year there is not way they go undefeated. Can some one explain why they are such a bad team to add to the expantion? It seems like it would be a good choice geographically.
They could be decent in football
But being a member of a major conference requires an investment of $ across the board in multiple sports that a school like Boise State simply can’t come up with.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Plus the Pac10 and the Big 11
are both much more then just athletic conferences. The school presidents are very concerned with academic standing and research ability. That’s why a school like Colorado or Utah is mentioned as a possible expansion candidate, while Boise is mentioned by ESPN football commentators who know nothing about the Pac 10 other then football. It’s the same reason Nevada and UNLV (just not good enough schools) won’t be getting in, even though they fit in better geographically. You would see New Mexico in the Pac10 before Boise.
by Linoleum Knife on Feb 10, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
I also should add
academic ranking is the reason Cinci won’t be getting into the Big 11 even though they’re good at football and basketball. And the reason Pitt is a fairly viable candidate for inclusion
by Linoleum Knife on Feb 10, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Unlike say the SEC
Which could care less about academics.
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Thw two reasons Boise State will not be added to the Pac-10
-Academic standards
-They’re barely D-1 quality in everything but football. The Pac-10 doesn’t want a school that will come in and compete in football, and lose every conference game in every other sport. Utah and Colorado are the two biggest rumors because they have well-wounded athletic departments.
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mark schlabach just posted his
alabama 1
ohio state 2
boise 3
oregon 4
There was something about Boise State I was supposed to remember
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Who do we hate
BOISE STATE! FUCK THE BLUE!
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
so much hate for boise!
it’s insane! lol. it was nice to see USC drop all the way down into the 20’s. i almost had a freaking heart attack when they were in everyones top 5 after the bowl season.
BSU is 100% out
Any school that offers a major in Coors Light and Bar fighting will not be admitted into the P-10.
Texas wanted in before the Big-12 expansion, and might want to test the waters if the price is right (remember that the B-12 has a similar shitty TV deal). Utah would jump in a heartbeat and Colorado would likely join as well.
If Utah jumps, BSU could pop over the the MWC (with FSU and UNR maybe?) and create a BCS AQ conference. Could get pretty interesting.
by B Money on Feb 10, 2010 11:03 AM PST via mobile reply actions
good guess
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That's not going to happen
The BCS AQ conference I mean. The Big 6 will never allow it because it will cut their own $.
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I agree with a Huskie.
Gross.
LaMichael James + Kenjon Barner + Lache Seastrunk + Dontae Williams + Josh Huff + Keanon Lowe + Remene Alston +...
I'm stuck in a hotel on business
so I’ve been plopped in front of a tv for the last two weeks…
I just looked at my recent SBN activity and realized that like my last 5 comments have been either movie or TV lines…does that make me sad?
Pathetic due to movie lines?
Nah, something about you being a Husky perhaps…
That comment was very unnecessary. But no, I will not apologize.
LaMichael James + Kenjon Barner + Lache Seastrunk + Dontae Williams + Josh Huff + Keanon Lowe + Remene Alston +...
B Money's good
Unlike some Huskies I know who’s sports knowledge consists of:
91 national champions!
Don James!
Basketball became a sport in 2002
Were superiour in everything, look at our history!
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 9:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I agree, but you forgot…
Jake Locker has already won the Heisman 10 times.
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Enjoy yo'self.
LaMichael James + Kenjon Barner + Lache Seastrunk + Dontae Williams + Josh Huff + Keanon Lowe + Remene Alston +...
Expansion
I think it will happen, mainly for the $$$, and secondly only for the BCS berths.
So I think its safe to assume that Utah will be one of the two extra teams. But the other?
- Not BYU probably because it’s the same market as Utah. And they don’t do much science research. (They do do social science stuff though.)
- Not Boise “Fuck ’em” State as their academic profile is way too weak plus Boise is not that desirable a market. Boise would probably go into the MWC is either Utah or BYU get taken by a BCS conference which is very likely.
So then we have to go further afield. Colorado looks like the obvious target-similar academic profile and the Denver area is big $$$. The only other even remote possibility is Texas and I doubt they would be that forward thinking. But I am pretty sure the Pac-10 would drool for Texas and skip Utah entirely. Which gets us to the national implications…
Say the Pac-10 takes Utah and Colorado while the Big 10 winds up with either Misery or Nebraska. (I know they could go east in their expansion but Pittsburgh doesn’t give them much $$$ though Rutgers might.)
But let’s say they go west instead. That would mean two of the Big 12 North are gone, rendering them into a rump Old Southwest Conference and they won’t stand for that. Even if just Colorado leaves their conference they will start to look quite regional. The first idea is that they would try to get Arkansas back. Or BYU. Or both if they need two. They could get TCU but again, TCU is too inside of Texas and doesn’t bring $$$.
If they get Arkansas, then the SEC would need to go raiding. Florida State? Probably. Possibly Mizzouri if MU doesn’t get picked up by the Big 10. If they get Florida St then the ACC would need someone. Hel-lo Big East again! Last time the ACC expanded they were all set to take Syracuse except Virginia demanded in-state Va Tech. This time they get ’Cuse. And I have no idea what the Big East would do. East Carolina or maybe welcome Temple back. Or both if the Big 10 got Rutgers already. At any rate the Big East would be hurting.
This expansion thing could get crazy.
My opinion, let the dominos start to fall and let the other conferences try and figure it out. The Pac needs to exert itself in this situation to get the $$$ it deserves. To be one of the lowest conferences in TV money is ridiculous and harmful to a lot of the institutions (Wazzu).
Go after the money Pac and screw what happens to the other conferences… hasn’t stopped you in the past.
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Yes
And if we don’t jump at this opportunity and kick the dominoes ourselves, we’re in deep trouble. Other conferences will be expanding and if we don’t throw ourselves into the mix before, we could be left empty handed, with another 10 years of bad TV, and a conference that is screwed on a national level.
Add the teams, add new markets, and add money. That’s the whole reason Scott was brought in and the whole reason he added this deputy.
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
exactly
now is the time to do this. Screw the other conferences and what they want. We’ve suffered through terrible years of bad TV deals, horrible shafts from bowls, and confined to be “the other conference” on the west coast.
Exert your Authoritiah Larry! Get out in front and let the other conferences scramble to catch up.
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Matt, have I mentioned how awesome your avatar icon thingy is?
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by ProbablyMonty on Feb 10, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
you can thank JShufelt for that. He is the master of the photoshop
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You're welcome!
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by Bill Musgrave on Feb 10, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone else as pumped up for the Olympics as I am?
--Dave
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I'm pretty pissed CBUT didn't get TV rights this year
They had fantastic LIVE (suck it, NBC) coverage and we pick them up on comcast in WA. Now, I’m subjected to tape delay and NBC.
Ugh, tape delay
NBC insists that us Pacific time zone people want things on tape delay. Thanks for telling us what we want. Us peons on the West Coast are too dumb to decide for ourselves that we’d rather see things live.
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They're even in the same timezone this year
It’s mere hours away and I can’t see main events live. NBC wants to tape delay the big earners for primetime. This is the digital age and it’s hard to not accidentally run into the results before that.
Curling!
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This
And hockey. I’m really pumped for the hockey tournament. It should be great.
Although anything on ice without a stick I couldn’t be less excited about.
Curling, hockey, and some occasional luge/bobsled. Otherwise, meh.
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Bobsled is pretty awesome. Also, ski jumping.
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Speed skating!
I love the Winter Olympics so much.
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I have a Ropert is God™ complex.
Speed skating is the NASCAR of the Winter Olympics.
It's spelled "R-E-D-V-I-N-E-S"
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ah hell no
have you seen the ski slalom? its practically ice!
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But that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about speed skating. They’re two different sports. One is on a big hill. The other is on an oval track where competitors go round and round, just like NASCAR.
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Short track
Fun for the nasty crashes
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 9:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Just like NASCAR.
It's spelled "R-E-D-V-I-N-E-S"
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Wow,
The more that I think about this, the more I realize you are right Tako.
Are there fans like this in speed-skating stands?
LaMichael James + Kenjon Barner + Lache Seastrunk + Dontae Williams + Josh Huff + Keanon Lowe + Remene Alston +...
Joey Harrington has really changed since leaving the league.
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by Bill Musgrave on Feb 10, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
I think that Tony Siragusa may have had a profound influence on him...
LaMichael James + Kenjon Barner + Lache Seastrunk + Dontae Williams + Josh Huff + Keanon Lowe + Remene Alston +...
Except it takes actual strength and skill to push yourself around the ice.
You can liken it better to track.
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I have a Ropert is God™ complex.
Can I get a map of how Speed Skating is done on a hill?
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Would now be a good tiem to point out I’m an awesome cook?
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
It's spelled "R-E-D-V-I-N-E-S"
I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
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It's spelled "R-E-D-V-I-N-E-S"
I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Addicted to Quack, the home of Tako Tuesdays
I clearly heard her say “chef”. “Awesome cook” is desperate speak for “amateur.”
It was thought that the "Hanger" beat all shots. Then, the "Balancer" was discovered.
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