Eastward, Ho! Pac-10 expansion will happen, but only if Colorado wants to play
In what seems to be an annual discussion here on the left coast, the spectre of Pac-10 expansion has again reared its head, and this time, speculation appears to be more serious than ever before. Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott:
It really is over the next six to 12 months that we'll start having serious analysis and serious conversations...It makes sense [to consider expansion], if you are going to do it, to do it when you can monetize it and get value for it commercially
In layman's terms: the Pac-10 finally has a commissioner that is not a fossil, and he's looking at how to make the big bucks. And with it getting really close to being time to renegotiate the TV and media deals (which expire after the 2011-12 academic year), now is the time to make this happen and reap the economic benefits. However, what would a Pac-10 expansion look like?
There are a few things to keep in mind when thinking about expansion. This isn't being considered just for a championship game. History has shown that championship games aren't the giant revenue producers they were once thought to be. No, this is about adding markets--lucrative markets--and getting extra revenue from the TV and media deals, as well as possibly getting coverage of a new "Pac-10 Network." So, for example, you wouldn't see the conference expand with both Utah AND BYU, because its the same market, so you drastically limit your revenue possibilities. Thirty-five years ago, when the conference took on Arizona and Arizona State, preserving the traveling matchups were quite important. Times have changed, that is no longer so. Likewise, Fresno/San Diego/San Jose State also aren't viable options. All three of those cities are squarely within the Pac-10's current TV footprint. There is very little in terms of extra revenue to be made by adding any of those schools.
So, seeing as its all about TV markets, and using that to leverage everything we can from a new media deal, lets take a look at the markets that the Pac-10 already delivers (US market rank in parenthesis):
Los Angeles (2), San Francisco Bay Area (6), Phoenix (12), Seattle (14), Sacramento (20), Portland (22), San Diego (28). We also have Tucson in there at number 68.
This makes seven top 30 markets located within the Pac-10 footprint, a very impressive number. Obviously, adding two large markets to the footprint would have the potential to be a big money maker, as adding that many eyeballs to a TV deal/potential Pac-10 network makes nine large markets for advertisers.
Another factor is that the University presidents aren't going to comprimise the academic reputation of the conference. Every Pac-10 school is a research university. All except for Oregon State are tier 1 schools. These standards of academic excellence aren't going to be eliminated by the conference. UCLA and Stanford don't want to be lumped in in any way with wholly inferior schools.
Finally, simple location is a factor. We can't really go into Texas or any further east than Colorado, otherwise, things just become too far away. The only school you could do go that distance for is Texas, because of the hoardes of money they produce, and there is no way Texas is moving to the Pac-10. This means that we can't go after a TCU or Houston, for example.
Using these criteria, there are a few schools that we often hear about that we can eliminate right off the bat:
Boise State--sorry Boise fans, and this has nothing to do with football. Boise is an extremely small market that does nothing to help the conference. Other than football, their sports programs are pretty poor. And, academically, they're a glorified junior college. It could also be argued that most of Idaho already lies within the Pac-10's TV footprint due to its proximity with Oregon and Idaho.
BYU--A conservative, non-secular, non-research university that hardly has graduate programs and won't play on Sundays? There is no way BYU would be allowed into the conference. To get the SLC market, Utah makes more sense on every possible level and, as I explained above, you wouldn't want both.
Fresno/San Diego/San Jose State--none of these are research universities, disqualifying them right there. However, the bigger issue for me is that they add nothing to the conference from a TV market standpoint, as all are well within the footprint.
Now that we have these pretenders out of the way, lets take a look at what could actually happen. Here are the top TV markets that are geographically possible:
Denver (18), Salt Lake City (33), Las Vegas (42), Albuquerque (44). If you're really adventurous, there's also Honolulu (73) and Colorado Springs (91).
Colorado Springs and Honolulu are both relatively very small, and would be the extreme distance outliers of the Pac-10. We won't see Hawaii or Air Force in the conference anytime soon.
Of the four top-50 markets that would be available to expand into, one thing stands out: Denver is the gold mine. The addition of Denver would give the conference eight top-30 markets. Denver itself adds almost three million viewers, the state of Colorado as a whole almost five million. Salt Lake City then becomes the next most attractive market at number 33. This is why you hear about Colorado and Utah as the schools that the Pac-10 is targeting. This would give the Pac-10 ten of the top 33 TV markets, and all schools except Stanford would be large, academically sound state schools with large enrollments and huge alumni numbers.
Utah would jump into the Pac-10 in a heartbeat. Colorado is a much more interesting question. Other than Nebraska in football, they don't have any particularly great rivalries in the Big Twelve. But they do have a long history with many of those schools as a long time Big 8 member. That said, they seem to have a profile much more like a Pac-10 school than a Big XII school, being a large liberal arts college in a cosmopilitan area and a campus that seems more liberal that the rest of the Big XII. I think it would be easier for Colorado to recruit California as a member of the Pac-10 then it is for them to recruit Texas as a member of the Big XII.
If we get Colorado and Utah, a new Pac-12 is a slam dunk. But what if Colorado decides that its happy where its at?
Remember, the key to expansion is that it has to increase per school revenue. Without Colorado, where does the Pac-10 turn for a 12th team (this still assumes that Utah is a slam dunk)?
Nevada--Nevada would fit the academic profile as a state research university, but its sports programs aren't terribly great, and its market (Reno), isn't terribly large and is already within the Pac-10 footprint. I'm not sure there's much to be gaines by Nevada.
UNLV--Kind of a joke academically, but as a large research university, I think the university presdients could be talked into it. Las Vegas is a good-but-not-great market (42), but one that again probably lies within the current footprint of the conference. UNLV would be a nice hoops addition, but are horrible at football. Is putting the hammer down on the Vegas market and hoping they get better at football enough?
New Mexico--Similar to UNLV, though a little better academically. Similar market to Vegas in Albuquerque (44), maybe better because Albuquerque is not within the existing Pac-10 footprint. Again, basketball okay, football atrocious.
Colorado State--Very good school that would fit in academically, and athletic programs have some history of success. The question here is whether Colorado State would land us the Denver market should we whiff on Colorado. CU clearly seems to be the school in those parts, but would that change should State become part of a BCS conference? Clearly the most intriguing due to possibility of landing Denver, but there is some risk involved.
Those are pretty much the contenders, as there is nobody left. If you can get CU and Utah, you do it, and we'll laugh all the way to the bank. But if Colorado decides it doesn't want to play, the whole thing becomes fraught with risk, and you have to decide if one of four schools in questionable markets will little historical football success is going to become a money maker for you. If I had to expand in this situation, I'd take Colorado State, but if I didn't have to, I'd probably not. I just don't know if it would maximize our revenue to do so.
I can say one thing with confidence, though. The ball's in your court, Colorado. Make your move.
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I think Larry Scott is doing this perfectly
He’s putting it out there early to start to draw attention to it from a TV, media and school standpoint. If he can get some TV people to start to float numbers on what they would be willing to fork out for a Pac 10 deal he can use that as leverage to sway concerned Pac 10 schools and lure the school he wants to join the conference.
Let’s not forget that a lot of schools are hurting for more revenue in this economic climate and money talks loud. You show them the money and it makes it a lot harder to say no.
The Big 12 is right there in terms of TV revenue while the Big 10 with their own network deal is at the top. If you can set up the right TV deal it makes it a lot easier to go to the school you want (Colorado) and get them to bite on the change.
So glad Larry Scott is the new Pac 10 commish and moving the conference in this direction.
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agree on colorado/utah but your byu analysis is wrong
Utah is in for sure and colorado should be offered first, but byu is also a very attractive school.
They do have many graduate programs, including really top law and business schools and a HUGE, rich alumni base and mormon following in California, Oregon, and Arizona which lets them travel well and will add viewers nationally for the new network. They also have a bigger stadium than utah or colorado (65k). The Big XII will not hesitate on BYU if the Pac10 goes a different direction.
I would be absolutely floored if the Pac10 presidents let in BYU
Yes, they have rich alumni base, but they won’t play on Sundays, and certainly don’t fit the profile academically. And the conference cares A LOT about academic profile. Honestly, from a cultural standpoint, the Big 12 is probably a better fit for BYU.
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by David Piper on Feb 10, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Why Utah and BYU?
That defeats the whole purpose of this. We’re looking at expanding markets and BYU and Utah are the same market.
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Denver really is the key
that’s why if you do this and Colorado declines, you have to take a chance on Colorado State
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by David Piper on Feb 10, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
If CU declines, CSU is a bad fallback
If CU declines it, this whole deal is torpedoed, in my opinion. I don’t think CSU would be able to get in and if they would I probably wouldn’t be happy with it.
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
I’m saying its the next best option, and its not a very good one. Really, other than CU and Utah, its CSU, UNLV, and New Mexico. None of those are exciting in any way.
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by David Piper on Feb 10, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
sorry flip UNLV and Nevada. Adding UNLV from a basketball standpoint would be great for the conference
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I don’t think the whole thing is torpedoed. You just have to have a decent plan B. I would I would want;
1. Nevada
2. UNLV
3. CSU
4. New Mexico
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Nevada? Seriously?
They add nothing. UNLV practially adds nothing. My order would be:
1. CSU (gotta try and get a chunk of Denver)
2. New Mexico (something not in the footprint)
3. UNLV (solidifies Vegas and is a good hoops team)
4. Nevada (adds nothing of note)
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by David Piper on Feb 10, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
sorry meant UNLV than nevada than CSU. I think the footprint in Nevada is smaller than what we think and bringing them in for basketball reasons would be the second best option.
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I agree
There are plenty of conferences that have a doormat in football. UNLV could be ours (apologies to Wazzu – your loveable loser status is being usurped).
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Nevada is probably too small (only around 10-11k undergrads) and UNLV really is a bit of a joke academically. I don’t know where CSU stands in academics, but I have a hard time believing they will bring much of the Denver market…it’s like Iowa State. Unless you went there, you’re probably a Hawkeye fan
by Linoleum Knife on Feb 10, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, thats true about CSU
like I said in the post, if you can’t get Colorado, maybe you just torpedo it altogether.
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by David Piper on Feb 10, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Ft. Collins is 90 minutes and a world away from Denver. It’s a whoooole other ball of wax and won’t bring nearly enough of the Colorado market to make it worthwhile. It’s like trying to capture the Bay Area market by bringing in Sacramento State. Just ain’t worth it.
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being from reno
you would not want Nevada…
1. Terrible Fanbase
2. No in Reno Cares about University of Nevada
3. They have been threatened to lose their D1 football status multiple times in the past few years for almost not being able to make the minimum for game attendance
If CU doesn’t happen, drop the expansion issue. Not worth going lower than the standard.
no way
colorado state isn’t good at any of the major sports, and academically they ain’t stellar either
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colorado state isn’t good at any of the major sports, and academically they ain’t stellar either
Alright.
yeah but oregon st sucks in general
CSU doesnt.
Wait, what?
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Hmmm,
I have a guess as to who will not be getting a keg sticker in next weeks Tako Tuesdays.
LaMichael James + Kenjon Barner + Lache Seastrunk + Dontae Williams + Josh Huff + Keanon Lowe + Remene Alston +...
hm. I dont think many people are worthy of my special stickers since i'm under 21
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What if CU says they will join but only if CSU is the other school?
I say you do it and completely lock up the Denver viewing audience.
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They wouldnt pull that card
They’re not in the same conference now and are fine so why would they want to pull csu along
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 4:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think I read that wrong and it was an argument for BYU over Utah
Anyway, culturally it won’t work. Academically, it also won’t work. For those reasons Utah is the better fit. I just can’t see a unanimous vote for BYU by the conference.
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
I think BYU would be a viable choice because of their alumni base, but it’s not a research institution. The fact that it’s a conservative-religious institution is strike two.
by Linoleum Knife on Feb 10, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
The Big XII will not hesitate on BYU if the Pac10 goes a different direction.
Exactly why the Pac needs to go after CU. Let the Big 10 go after Mizzou, Rutgers, or Pitt. And make the Big 12 go after BYU, Colorado St, TCU or Arkansas.
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Problem with BYU is the Sunday rule
Since they will NOT play any games/events on Sundays.
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There are plenty of reasons why BYU won’t work, but I think the point about their market is a good one. The BYU market isn’t necessarily geographically based. It’s more culturally based, and adding BYU would pick up a lot of Mormons from everywhere in the West.
That said, the academic and cultural hurdles are just too great. The additional market might be viable, but the other stuff derails it.
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Scott basically tipped his hand on who he wants to go after anyway
Monday, Scott announced the hiring of former Big 12 commissioner Kevin Weiberg to be deputy commissioner, effective April 12, in what constitutes a restructuring of duties at the top of the conference.
So, we hire a former Big XII commissioner and the man who set up the Big 10 TV network deal as our second in command. Do you think he wants to snip a Big XII school? It feels like he knows the landscape of the Big XII and knows Colorado is vulnerable from some of the other reading I’ve done.
Utah would jump into the Pac-10 in a heartbeat.
Why do you think this? Is it only because we’re in an automatic qualifier conference?
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why wouldn't they
its a total win for them
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by David Piper on Feb 10, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
but I'm sure they're getting a ton of money
from Vs. and CBS College Sports Network. Seriously, if our TV contract is a joke, Mountain West’s is 10 times worse.
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Let's look at the numbers
This is for the 2008 season, but Utah was 7th in their own conference in revenue. Also fuck TCU for earning more than WSU.
its a total win for them
How is it a total win? That’s the part I don’t understand
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Mostly money-wise. Even with the Pac-10’s current joke of a TV deal, it’s still better than what they’re getting in the MWC. The chances for increased payouts for bowl berths and the like also increases exponentially. I have to imagine it will help their recruiting somewhat, as an entire region will get to watch them on a consistent basis. They’ll have a built-in quality non-conference opponent every year in BYU.
And what’s the downside of leaving the MWC? I just don’t see any.
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And they already have a good enough football stadium
Rice-Eccles is a very nice facility and already holds about 47k, which is good enough.
And their home basketball arena holds 15k, which makes it, I think, bigger than any Pac-10 arena.
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Really? That’s bigger than Pauley? Wow, I figured Pauley was bigger than that.
And the 47k football stadium is no smaller than Autzen before the expansion a few years ago.
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Remember that their football stadium was built
Partially to house the Olympic Opening and Closing ceremonies in 2002.
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Not to mention,
Becoming part of the Pac-10 would increase their revenue and potentially their demand for tickets, so they could surely expand and add another 10k or so.
LaMichael James + Kenjon Barner + Lache Seastrunk + Dontae Williams + Josh Huff + Keanon Lowe + Remene Alston +...
lets see
they would enter a far more prestigious conference, athletically and academically, and one with much higher money making potential than the MWC.
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Also, it really brings more legitimacy to the program. They will have a very tough time moving to the next level in football if they stay in a conference like the MWC. The Pac-10 lets them truly compete nationally in football.
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They will have a very tough time moving to the next level in football if they stay in a conference like the MWC.
Bingo. This is what must be most attractive to schools that want to step up and out of the MWCs and WACs of the country.
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They're good
They have deep athletic programs and they could make it. I think they could be as good as mid-level Pac-10 teams in the big sports consistently.
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See what we all agree on?
After Colorado, the options get much less appealing.
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You mentioned in your posts reasons why Colorado might make the jump. What reasons would they have to stay? I’m sure there are some, but they’re not coming to mind at the moment.
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great question
my only thought is loyalty to the orginial Big 8… although the Big 12 is doing everything they can to ignore that side of their conference
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Travel could be one thing. It won’t be terrible, but it will certainly be worse. The farthest they travel now (in conference) is to College Station, but everywhere except the two Arizona schools and Wazzu (and Utah) would be farther than that in the Pac 10. I’m not sure how big that will be in the long run.
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Its not a huge deal
Denver is a major hub, so they can hop a nonstop flight to any other Pac-10 city (except Pullman of course) easily.
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Do you still need horse-drawn carriages to get to Pullman? Or did they get around to installing that stop light they were always talking about?
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i think there's even a hub called the inter-web there now.
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So you're saying we're not a hub?
But seriously, travel isn’t a big deal. It’s roughly equivalent to the Seattle/Pullman swing between CU/Utah
I've been in Sea-tac more than a few times
And seen your team board a tiny plane to fly to Pullman so yeah, not a hub.
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I've ridden that plane
It’s like riding in a washing machine that can fly. Not fun at all.
But we can handle 737s landing now, so that’s cool. So cool, in fact, that one of the crap planes broke down after we beat UW in the basketball apple cup in Pullman so Horizon sent a replacement. That replacement? The WSU painted jet. Owned.
Unlike Robb Akey
Who said the hell with riding in a BSU plane, they actually had to ride it back. After losing in double overtime. It was a good night
pac 12
do not count out TCU (dallas area) or Houston
plus recuiting advantages
The same reason the Pac-10 considered counting in Texas? Granted, Texas is one of the best academic institutions in the country in addition to pretty much kicking ass in athletics, but TCU or Houston—especially Houston—are fairly comparable, and well within the “guidelines” for a Pac-10 school.
This is pretty much ridiculous.
By what stretch of the imagination, then, will the conference be the Pacific-10 (or, Pacific-11/12) thereafter?
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I have a Ropert is God™ complex.
Are we really just going to change the name to the pac 12?
I hate that name. Can we just be the Pac.
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"Big Pac"
If we expand, I think we’re forced to use the word “Big” in the title somewhere.
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Dunder Mifflin
Conference of Champions.
by B Money on Feb 10, 2010 1:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
There already is
At the D2 level: http://www.pacificwestsports.org/landing/index
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I say we take 6 teams
And become “The Big XVI”.
Naturally this dick measuring contest will end when the SEC becomes “The Big XXIV”
by B Money on Feb 10, 2010 1:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Stanford and USC
are both private universities actually.
what does private have to do with anything?
The issue with BYU isn’t private, its research
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And the Sunday rule
Mostly the Sunday rule.
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I fail to see the relevance of that…I don’t remember the last time Oregon played on a Sunday. And if it’s a bowl thing, the BCS bowls aren’t on Sundays unless Jan 1st falls on one, in which case—oh well—BYU has a decision to make, otherwise the second place Pac-38 team goes. Doesn’t seem like a big enough deal to rule them out right off the bat. I think BYU would bring loads of cash into the Pac-38…Mormons are a wealthy bunch, generally, and BYU fans buy a shitload of their gear. BYU is like a slightly smaller, Western Notre Dame.
Their sports teams, all of them, don't play on Sunday
Not “Their football doesn’t play on Sunday”
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by AllSaintsDay on Feb 10, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
In this conference, yes.
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by AllSaintsDay on Feb 10, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Well yeah, I understand that haha…but I hadn’t read down further; I just assumed the Thursday/Saturday thing would stick with basketball. And other sports are small enough that we could schedule around BYU’s…“idiosyncrasy”, we’ll say.
I just assumed the Thursday/Saturday thing would stick with basketball
If Scott is smart, he’ll push the conferences away from this in order to get more lucrative TV deals. Scheduling has been the main issue in preventing this.
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But the most important strike against the Buffs
is that they’re one of those chiasmic Big 8 universities where the
University of Colorado
is
CU.
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by AllSaintsDay on Feb 10, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
No
Expanding markets doesn’t mean two in the same market. It means eating up the biggest markets. Therefor, a Denver team (CU) and a Salt Lake team (Utah). We’re going to have to come to grips with the fact that two team geographical pairings isn’t how this is going to happen.
how about the possibility of 2 schools in Texas?
like TCU , Texas Tech or Houston
I know it is unlikely Texas or Texas AM can be convinced to leave the Big 12
by ximiankernel on Feb 10, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
We already blew it with Texas, which stings
And honestly, I don’t know. If we’re trying to stay West Coast based, then no. But if they really want to branch out, then picking off Texas schools might be smart. The smart moneys still on CU and Utah
If for some reason the university presidents demanded a geographical pairing
I’d rather have CU/SCU than Utah/BYU. But I think we need two markets.
--Dave
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Yeah, travel isn't an issue
We need to markets for this to make sense financially.
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Its below vegas in terms of market
Vegas is below both denver and salt lake
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 4:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
And if we keep the standard Thursday/Saturday
Basketball schedule, that should not be a problem.
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we won't keep Thursday/Saturday
we’ll change it for a better contract
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Which hopefully includes ESPN access
And not FSN-Seattle
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We don't
Since ours is Oregon Sports Network, and our deal is with Comcast Sports Net.
Although Rich Burk (who did the Civil War last weekend) is a very good guy, I know him personally.
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Also Giansante is arguably worse than nothing
On OSN.
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We get Ehlo occassionally
Who tries so hard to not sound like a homer that he actually sounds like he’s homering the other team.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Pac-10 games on Big Monday.
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I thought your great idea was the Big Package? That works.
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how about the Fuck Boise State league, where we all burn a boise state bronco in effigy before the national anthem.
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Being from Colorado I can say this.
I grew up a life long CU fan, but I will be attending the University of Oregon next year. I would love to see CU in the PAC-10 because I really do not care about the rivalry with Nebraska, and the Big-12 despite the spread offenses, is just boring. I would rather travel to Cal, Washington, USC, etc., than I would to Nebraska, Idaho State, Kansas, and Oklahoma.
I can say this about CSU joining the PAC-10, it would be a bad move. Similar to Oregon and Oregon State, CU and CSU are completely different schools. CSU gets all the agriculture students and the rejects from Boulder. Also Fort Collins is nothing special, not a large market, very boring and conservative, and the odor from the slaughter houses is nauseating. Apart from a decent Agriculture school, CSU is nothing special.
But in regards to CU, you have a school that has put more astronauts (18) into space than any other college. You have good post-grad departments, and they are one of the greenest schools in the country.
The state of Colorado is probably split, 60-65% for CU, 40-35% for CSU.
That was my thinking
If we can’t pull CU, this thing is shot unless they want to try to go into Texas. CSU just isn’t a fallback and outside out Utah, the remaining TV markets don’t make it worth it.
The Fort Collins metro is compatible to the Eugene/Springfield metro… but just like Eugene, that won’t be their “main market”. The real target market would be 55 miles south of Fort Collins.
With that said, University of Colorado would be a much bigger name for the Pac-10.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
If CU won't make the move, here's my case for UNLV.
They’d be the only ranked men’s basketball team in the Pac-10
Their football team is better than Dave is giving them credit for (middle of the pack MWC team, win over Arizona State in ‘08, close loss to OSU this year), as well as other competitive programs the Pac-10 features (women’s T&F, softball, golf, swimming). They’re really only terrible at women’s basketball and women’s volleyball, and don’t have a men’s track program.
collegeprowler.com gives UNLV girls an A, continuing a tradition of the Pac-10 having the most beautiful women in the country
UNLV is known for it’s Hospitality Management/Administration programs, churning out new George Maloof’s every day.
Other notable alumni include Suge Knight and Kenny Mayne. And I’m not going to be the one to tell Suge Knight that his school can’t be in the Pac-10.
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Youve missed the most important point
Road trips!
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 2:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I figured that was a given. Plus, having Pac-10 games on at all Vegas sports bars and in McCarron airport.
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I agree wholeheartedly
if we can’t get CU for financial reasons then why not bring the state of Nevada into the fold. Their population is continuing to grow, their footprint is not that closely related to the Pac already (sure there is a lot of LA in LV) and they present the most viable option for expansion.
CSU is like adding another Wazzu, only not as bad in football. We’re not going to pull the Denver audience as much as we’ll pull the LV audience and travel to LV is a hell of a lot easier.
Plus, I want to see UNLV in the Pac for basketball. That would be a hell of a game to go to and when Larry Scott pulls the stupid “Pac 10 tourney is always in LA” thing away who wouldn’t want to go to Las Vegas for a week to watch basketball?
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Great point on the Pac-10 basketball tourney. I would absolutely use the tourney as an excuse for a Vegas weekend.
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Aren’t you five or so years away from being able to enjoy Vegas properly?
It was thought that the "Hanger" beat all shots. Then, the "Balancer" was discovered.
How quickly people forget
2 Rose bowls in the last 11 years. We’ll be back eventually.
by spencer peaty on Feb 11, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
Utah + Colorado = Crazy Delicous
It would be awesome, can anyone write out how the north / south divisions would line up? I imagine you’d have to lump AZ and CA into the south, OR and WA into the north, and then swap Utah and Colorado for Montana and northern Idaho to make the geography work.
I don’t think North/South would work. It would hurt us in recruiting because recruits from Southern Cali wouldn’t be guaranteed to play in front of family and friends at least once a year.
How about this instead:
East and West, split by rivalries
UW = West; WSU = East
OSU = West; UO = East
Cal = West; Stanford = East
UCLA = West; USC = East
ASU = West; UA = East
Utah = West; CU = East
I think we need to do it geographically. No one knows what the hell is or isn’t divisional matchups in the ACC for this reason. They’ve got reasonably good guesses on the SEC and Big 12.
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by AllSaintsDay on Feb 10, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Then you break up all the rivalries
North/South wouldn’t hurt recruiting due to the amount of cross play between the two each year. Just because their in different divisions doesn’t mean we won’t play southern schools. Take the WA and OR schools with CU/Utah as the north, the rest as the south and that’s that.
You can do permanent matchups a la SEC.
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by AllSaintsDay on Feb 10, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
North would play all other North teams and then 3 South teams, so Oregon’s conference schedule could hypothetically one year be:
OSU
UW
WSU
Utah
CU
UA
ASU
Stanford
No thanks!
Not necessarily
Could be a rotating 3 of one each of norcal, socal, and az schools which is more likely.
But why not make it so that each team has to play one team from the geographical pair? North would play one against: Stanford/Cal, UCLA/USC, UA/ASU. So you may not make a visit to each place, but at least you’re playing against that region. That’s fairly easy to do.
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Yea, I think that's what we're all getting at
Geographic alignment makes sense, then the cross play is one of each of the other divisions pairing. Seems easy and makes sense.
UO, for example:
Year 1: All North plus @Stanford, vs UCLA, @ASU
Year 2: All North plus vs Cal, @USC, vs UA
Year 3: All North plus vs Stanford, @ UCLA, vs ASU
Year 4: All North plus @ Cal, vs USC, @ UA
I guess the only question is: Is it more important to make sure that you play each team once every two years? Or is it more important to make sure that you play in each geographic area once every two years?
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Youre overstating the effect of playing games in regards to recruiting
You don’t need to play games in an area to recruit in football. We recruit hawaii and texas and don’t play there. Ucla and usc are going to get the bulk of cali kids either way. The rest of the conference scoops the rest.
Playing at home every year just isn’t as big a factor as you think
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 3:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It’s why we missed out Terrelle Pryor (whose father is in a wheelchair and likely couldn’t travel to Oregon to see his son play) and I read recruits say it all the time … these kids want to play in front of family, friends, ex-girlfriends, etc. And their parents want the same, which is why we missed out on Tajh Boyd.
I’m not making this up.
If a kid wants to play near home he will
You’re overstating it in relation to pac ten kids from pac ten states. Pryor was from across the country, this schedule wouldn’t have made a difference. Either way, if a kid wants to play the bulk of his games near family, he’s staying home. For the rest, it makes no difference if they’re playing a game in front of family once a year or every two years
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 4:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I see what you’re saying. Perhaps what I am talking about is more a reason why recruits from Southern California stay in the Pac-10 instead of going to another conference.
Fair enough … you win.
Youll still get cali recruits with divisional alignments
Either way they will probably get 1 or 2 games in cali each year if they go north south so it shouldn’t hurt too much
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 4:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
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by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 4:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That’s not necessarily true. I think they would want to keep rivalries together just so each team is guaranteed to play their rival each year without having to mess with the schedule. Also, even in your scenario, what if USC plays at UO and UO isn’t scheduled to play UCLA? You also need to remember that the Pac isn’t going to necessarily do what’s best for the Ducks. They’re trying to help the conference as a whole, not make sure the recruiting of one school doesn’t suffer.
I think you do it geographically North/South just because it’s common sense. You can schedule one game against each of the pairs each year so the North teams are always playing one Bay Area team, one LA team and one AZ team.
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You could make cross-division schedules always include one team from each pair, rather than all possibilities of 3 teams.
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by AllSaintsDay on Feb 10, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Here's what we do...
On the shiny new Pac-10 network, we’ll hold a lottery every June where we draw the Pac-10 divisions for the coming academic year. It’ll be like the world cup draw, only useless.
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Okay how about this:
We bring in Utah because they’re solid and it’s fun to beat them. Then we hold a Divison II lottery each summer and bring in one new school for the year. We’ll grab their market because everyone wants to see how they compete with the big boys and we’ll let them beat Washington or something so the fans don’t give up half way. At the end of the year we send them on their way with a trophy celebrating the Division 1 school from Washington that they “upset” and then we draw a new one next year.
We’ll make a ton of dough off all the “Pac 12” Jersey sales and it’ll never run out because a new fan base buys them each year. If one market sticks we’ll let them come back for a second go, then the ACC will steal them and we’ll start all over again.
Are we going to do this like the premier league
With promotion and relegation? Cuz if so I’m screwed in football
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 3:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
only useless
How is that different from the World Cup?
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by Gorbachav5 on Feb 10, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
for making fun of soccer
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Renaming the Pac-10
If we go to the Pac-12 we need a new name and logo to be hip like the Big East, Big Twelve, and the Big Eleven Plus-Notre-Dame-Someday. Instead of going big I say we go BEST. Here’s your new Pac-12 name and logo:

by JonathanPDX on Feb 10, 2010 3:07 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Do not discount San Diego State
Quacks quick dismissal of SDSU is weak. While it is not a “research” university it is an outstanding university with admission to SDSU very difficult due in part to it’s popularity of location, but also it’s great academic programs. Incoming freshman students need very high 3 point-something to get into San Diego State. Other than UCLA it is receives the 2nd most applications every year west of the Mississippi River.
Sport- wise SDSU has a solid athletic program. The Aztecs are headed with Steve Fisher for Men’s Hoops and Brady Hoke (Ball St) just finished his first year in Football. The other sports & womens athletics are solid as well. San Diego County produces a ton of Pac-10 talent in football, and if my alma mater AZTECS became a Pac-12 school that program would turn around very quickly with Hoke and his excellent staff (Rock Long & Brian Sipe to name just two). And who wouldn’t want to see the Aztec baseball team, which is always very good, being coached by the legend Tony Gwynn?
The pathetic newspaper, the Union Tribune, has a vendetta against Aztecs sports. Really against all college sports as they barely touch USC & UCLA. Same for the local tv stations. Remember, San Diego, “America’s Finest City” is not LA or even OC. SD residents are fierce about their separate identity. Charger fans scoff at the idea that if Spanos moved the team to Irwindale or wherever that they would make that drive- they wont.
To add San Diego State to the Pac-12 would be a fantastic move. It would only benefit the annual Holiday Bowl (but it needs a new date- further away from Christmas) which has a Pac-10 team in it every year by getting more locals to the game.
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No it wouldn't
We already hold that market. This isn’t about just athletics/academics, it’s about adding markets. SDSU brings nothing new market wise as we already own most of California’s TV markets.
Coming from a Pac-10 fan born and raised in San Diego,
SDSU is not a good choice of a program for the Pac-10 to add. As many have said above, revenue would come from diversifying the TV market.
Salt Lake City and Boulder/Denver!
LaMichael James + Kenjon Barner + Lache Seastrunk + Dontae Williams + Josh Huff + Keanon Lowe + Remene Alston +...
Actually SDSU is a research institution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_State_University
I am getting a masters there and they really jam it down your throat. I often have had difficulty getting USC games on TV, especially if its the Pac 10 night game.
Just because we would bring in Utah doesn't mean we would have to bring in BYU to preserve the Holy War.
Look at Clemson/South Carolina.
They play every year and they are ACC/SEC respectively.
Only losing THREE starters from the USC game. (Offense and Defense)
Ladies and Gentlemen your 2010-11 Oregon Ducks.
by QuackQuackAttack on Feb 10, 2010 3:31 PM PST reply actions
PAC 10 expansion thought...
I would actually like to see what BSU would do with a PAC caliber schedule. For some reason, I don’t think that they would be going undefeated every other year.
Strength Of Schedule = Swear Words In Boise, Idaho.
Still a moot point
Won’t ever happen
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 3:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No way, it totally will
Right after BSU wins the National Title they’ll totally get invited into the Pac-10. No, really! Also there will be flying cars and shit, it’ll be awesome!
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by Takimoto on Feb 10, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Boise
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by Takimoto on Feb 10, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
State
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by Takimoto on Feb 10, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I know...
…but it can be done in NCAA Football 2010!
I try to live my life based on what I see in video games.
Strength Of Schedule = Swear Words In Boise, Idaho.
Exactly.
I am not productive unless I get my focusing juice.
Strength Of Schedule = Swear Words In Boise, Idaho.
true, I created a WAC school … went undefeated and won the BCS Championship 2 years in a row and was asked to join the Pac-10 in place of Stanford
HAHA, awesome
I once had Idaho replace UCLA
by spencer peaty on Feb 11, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
I've had UAB (yes, University of Alabama at Birmingham) replace Kentucky.
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You know what's funniest about all this
If CU and Utah go to the Pac, BYU and TCU go to the Big 12… BSU will have absolutely NO ONE in a non BCS league to play against each year. The WAC and MWC will be crap. Any respect they might garner from TCU, BYU or Utah possibly going to a BCS bowl and beating a BCS school will be moot considering they will now be in a BCS conference. Or in essence, the Pac will have officially…
Fucked Boise State.
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We’re totes not calling that hoochie back.
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by Takimoto on Feb 10, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Who cares about existing rivalries?
Say we add Utah and Colorado, who cares if they are not traditional rivalries. They’ll make their own rivalry in some ways… trying to fight for the right to be called the “best” of the newest Pac-10 schools. Also, who’s to say Utah won’t find some newfound hatred for UO, OSU or some other school after a few years. Utah and Colorado are definitely the most intriguing options.
by MurphyLPiddleton on Feb 10, 2010 4:46 PM PST reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHKzn8aHyXg
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Colorado and Utah have an existing rivalry
They’re renewing the games in 2012 and 13 but they used to be rivals in the same league. Granted they haven’t played in 40 years now but its not far fetched for that rivalry to start again
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 4:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It’ll happen. There’s surprising enmity between Ark and that USC. And LSU/Florida wasn’t that big before the “permanent cross-division rival” thing.
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by AllSaintsDay on Feb 10, 2010 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
I would like to see Utah and Colorado personally.
LaMichael James + Kenjon Barner + Lache Seastrunk + Dontae Williams + Josh Huff + Keanon Lowe + Remene Alston +...
I like the idea of adding The University of Colorado
Only losing THREE starters from the USC game. (Offense and Defense)
Ladies and Gentlemen your 2010-11 Oregon Ducks.
by QuackQuackAttack on Feb 10, 2010 5:42 PM PST reply actions
Great article Dave! I did my undergrad at UO and I’m hardcore ducks fan, but I also did my Masters at CU and am currently a PhD Student. I tutor student-athletes and walk the dogs of the Assistant Athletic Director. I passed your article on to her, to show her how excited the Pac-10, would be to have CU in it. No one would say it out loud, but my feeling is the people around the Athletic Department are excited about it. I’d do backflips if Colorado joined the Pac-10! I live minutes from the stadium and have free tickets. I’d love to cheer on the ducks every other year in person in football and every year in basketball. Plus it’d be great to get my "Hate the Beavers "on. I really hope this happens.
Folsom Field looks very nice.
I’ve Never been to a game there, only seen it from the outside.
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I have a disdain towards nearly every horseshoe shaped stadium (damn you Ohio State!!!!),
But Folsom Field is the exception.
LaMichael James + Kenjon Barner + Lache Seastrunk + Dontae Williams + Josh Huff + Keanon Lowe + Remene Alston +...
Being an on-campus facility its a little small and maybe a little outdated, but the amazing view of the flatirons is worth the price of admission.
Definitely
CU/Folsom is without a doubt one of the most scenic campuses/stadiums in the nation. I had an opportunity to travel to Boulder a few months ago, very nice. Not to mention, Denver is a cool city (and the Denver airport is absolutely ridiculous. Ridiculous).
LaMichael James + Kenjon Barner + Lache Seastrunk + Dontae Williams + Josh Huff + Keanon Lowe + Remene Alston +...
I almost died in Denver.
Damn snow and landing gear.
Only losing THREE starters from the USC game. (Offense and Defense)
Ladies and Gentlemen your 2010-11 Oregon Ducks.
by QuackQuackAttack on Feb 10, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
I grew up 50 miles south of Denver. I got to see the whole drama of the Denver airport construction.
What a giant waste that project ended up becoming.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
I know nothing of what happened during it's construction,
All I know is that there is some sort of waste of a toll road left over…
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Wow,
Over at Bruins Nation, there is a poll up about which two teams make the most sense to add to the Pac-10. The combo receiving the most votes, Utah and Utah State. They genuinely want Utah State in the Pac? That makes no sense to me.
Oh well, nothing at Bruins Nation makes any sense.
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They think we are going to add in state pairings
People need to get used to the notion that this is not going to be a two team pairing type division addition. This is for money, not for a cute couple to be added
That probably wasn't worded right
We’re not bringing in two geographically similar schools just to keep up the two-per alignment. We want mo money, mo money, mo money.
absolutely right
Look at the revenue that can be gained.
Add a conf champ game ~ couple million for the conference
Add a couple more games ~ couple million for the schools
Add a decent TV deal ~ possible increase of $100 million.
It’s about the money. Don’t drink the school president’s kool aid of this is about academics, blah blah blah
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It's about expanding our conference footprint and gobbling up TV markets
All of which increase the TV deal for us, which means money. Simple as that
This also made me smile
Too much missing from CU
No baseball, no men’s volleyball, no softball, no men’s or women’s gymnastics, no men’s soccer, no men’s or women’s water polo.
Emphasis added was mine
You leave soccer alone!
I fucking hate you Mariners
Our women's soccer team could beat your football team at football.
I fucking hate you Mariners
So could our hs football team
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 8:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Now, gentlemen, let me ask you this: What if Da Ducks were all 14 inches tall, you know, about so high? Now, what’s your score of today’s game?
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by AllSaintsDay on Feb 10, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sorry, the correct response was
“Is Tara Erickson mini too?”
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by AllSaintsDay on Feb 11, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
Water polo is awesome
I played a tourney up at Wazzu my freshman year. We pounded you guys in that too.
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Having played a few times
And knowing what goes on underwater, I’m not sure pounded is a good adjective there. It is awesome though
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 9:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
EDSBS just pointed out the notion of the Furd band traveling to Provo. We must make this happen!
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I think they’re still limited to in-state travel.
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Would you put them on a plane?
Hell even a bus ride would be a debacle. It’d be a booze filled orgy with some tree on tree action. Mmmmm pollination
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 9:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
lol god i would absoutely LOVE to see them in provo.
can u imagine them reenacting the mormon scenes from south park?
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There’s a 0% chance BYU lets them in the stadium, much less on the field.
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Hehehehe...
We need to make this happen. Hell, we should just hide the band members in football garb to get them into the stadium. Furd would just forfeit and their band would go crazy in Provo.
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BYU wont
And again, why expand into just one market
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 7:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
i know i know.
but it just makes sense cuz every team has a natural rival in there own state, and that keeps it the same.
How would divisions be split?
OoO hahah
So Oregon schools Washington schools plus Utah and CU would be north?
wait where's the Tako map?
Colorado is pretty far south, I think it makes more sense to put them into the south and put Furd and Cal in the North
Colorado is clearly in the "Other Stuff" division.
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by Bill Musgrave on Feb 11, 2010 5:30 AM PST up reply actions
Not a chance...
they’d do something like Mountain/Pacific and just split them with one rival in each division
No chance in that
Why screw with travel when you could do it geographically?
by Brian Floyd on Feb 11, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Because if that was the proposal the 4 NW schools would shut this bitch down
it doesn’t necessarily have to be rival split, but the LA and Bay schools need to be split.
Why?
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by AllSaintsDay on Feb 11, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
We would still play in Cali every year
So I don’t know where the issue is
by Brian Floyd on Feb 11, 2010 6:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
We need a guaranteed game in SoCal every year
or at least 3 out of 4. I just can’t see them approving anything that is gonna keep them at the bottom of the conference. Losing footing in California recruitng will do exactly that.
It'd be basically the same
East/West you’d get a SoCal game every other year. North/South you’d end up with the same. So, why go East/West when you can align it logically North/South, saving on travel. You’d play the other 5 in division and 3 outside (1 from each of the norcal, socal, and az schools) each year. It ends up being a wash and playing every other year in socal won’t hurt recruiting either (see above), in my opinion.
That would give every team a game against a SoCal team. It wouldn’t give every team a game in SoCal.
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by AllSaintsDay on Feb 12, 2010 7:15 AM PST up reply actions
Yea, over 4 years, it would all end up the same though
If I’m thinking of this right the worst thing that could happen would be two socal teams at home in a row, then two straight down there. This would be the same over four years as an east/west
by Brian Floyd on Feb 12, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Try sorting the ACC into Atlantic/Coastal, the Big 12 into North/South, the SEC into East/West.
If we want to draw in national interest, easy to determine divisions are good.
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by AllSaintsDay on Feb 11, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
How about naming, the States vs. the Non-States?
California
Oregon
Utah
Washington
Colorado
Arizona
OSU
ASU
WSU
UCLA
USC
LSJU (Leland Stanford, Jr. University)
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Ho would Cal and UCLA be in different divisions through this method?
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As you can see, the top 6 schools are also the exact names of states. The bottom six schools, are not the exact names of states, and are almost all abbreviations (fuck you Stanford!)
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I see, Cal and UCLA are both UC's though...
Either way, top to bottom your “state” division looks slightly stronger than your “non-state” division.
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Cal is the University of California. UCLA is Cal’s shittier southern extension program.
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Hahahahaha yeah, no.
I’ve expressed my disdain towards UCLA many times, however, you mess with SoCal, you’ve got to go!
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I’ve got nothing against SoCal. San Diego’s my second-favorite city. I just want UCLA to know their place.
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I got your back CGB.
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I say we go by mascots...
UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs & Evergreen State Geoducks.
No brainer!
Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!
Probably “too violent and reminiscent of the American Military Industrial and Colonial Complex” for them or something.
you better have some mad hacky sack skills
Unless you go behind the library. Because its always 4:20 back there.
I live on the north end
so I’ve never really even spent more than an hour in Olympia.
Hippies just irritate me, I think that’s why I never latched on to UO even though my family is from Eugene.
haha
Oly is more than hippies, there is a great indy/punk scene there, and of course it is the Capital but yes Evergreen has a lot of hippies. Go to the Salvation Army in late August, and the racks are full, go there in week 2 after the freshmen realize that Abercrombie & Fitch are considered less fashionable than rags, and the place is completely cleaned out. We call them trustafarians. Kinda sucks for the poor in state students who live there year around. But what are you gonna do? Go to UW? LOL, no way. That’s why I went to Evergreen, because if I had to go to an in state school I might as well still be a Duck, er Geoduck.
I've got a friend who goes to Evergreen,
and she’s an outstanding person, I can’t say a bad word about her. Plus, she showers.
Olympia is fine for the most part, I’ve spent considerable time in both Lacey and McCleary so it’s not like I’ve never been south. Fake 20 year old hippies just irritate the hell out of me.
I was in a band with a kid who’s dad was a Dentist and gave him everything. I saw him at a bus stop about 4 years after the band broke up. He was smoking a fat spliff, wearing a tie dye shirt with a (black yellow and green) knit wool cap and brand new $100+ jeans, he also had a brand new ipod singing “redemption song” as loud as he could. He then proceeded to tell me how he’s moving to Hawaii to barter field work for pot and food, and how I’ve sold out (since my construction trade job is so corporate) to the man. Ugh, I really think parents should be jailed 1 week for every $1000 in annual salary over $60,000 if their kid is a hippie.
Friends don’t let friends play hackeysack, or listen to Phish.
Semi-unrelated, but two are members of the current pac-10!
Anyone know why a time isn’t listed yet for the Oregon/Husky game on March 4th?
I fucking hate you Mariners
Late season games are wildcards
They wait to see what gets picked up by what tv ala nfl flex scheduling
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 8:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
But booooooo
I guess I already knew that. My question should have been if anyone’s seen a hint at game-time.
With the pac-10 being so close I can’t imagine them having a decision anytime soon.
I fucking hate you Mariners
Thursday game so...
6 or 7ish I guess
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 8:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Considering its uw
Fsn uw will pick it up and it’ll be a 730 game
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 8:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well if Oregon continues playing horribly, would they not even televise that game? Or is the question more 5:30 or 7:30 game?
I fucking hate you Mariners
FSN will televise uw oregon over wsu osu
So id think its when and not if. There’s always csn if fsn doesn take it
by Brian Floyd on Feb 10, 2010 8:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
"all schools except Stanford would be large, academically sound state schools "
USC is a private university.
USC stopped religious affiliation like 50 years ago.
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“We had a moral obligation to give Reggie Bush that SUV. It wasn’t about competition, it was about following our religious beliefs. And God wants us in the title game, like, super bad.”
by JonathanPDX on Feb 11, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
howdy folks nice article
oregon refugee in southern california here…
It’s going to be a hard sell for the USC, Stanfurd, Kal, and fucla presidents if they don’t get to play each other every year. Cal-Furd and USC-ucla are the big rivalries, but USC-Furd goes back over a century and Cal-ucla is taken pretty seriously too.
Rivalries would be preserved
None of that is a problem with expansion in this case
by Brian Floyd on Feb 11, 2010 6:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’m sure the rivals would play every year, even if they were in different divisions. You’d play 5 games in division and your rival every year, and 2 other teams from the other division.
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Hi guys, Buffaloes fan and CU student here
I will start off by saying I love the idea of bringing Utah and Colorado to the Pac-“12.” CU is a better cultural fit to the Pac-10 than it is the Big 12, despite our storied history with the conference. As I told my friend, Boulder is a lot more like Berkeley than Stillwater. Additionally, I think the possibility of making a championship game in the Pac-12 is great for the conference too.
One thing I would like to point out is that Fort Collins, home of CSU, isn’t partiularly close to Denver. I’m not sure if you’d get the same Denver market effect. CSU’s stadium holds just over 32,000 too; it’s not worth it at all. I actually feel like it would actually be better to nab BYU or something than CSU in the case that we opt to remain in the Big XII despite all of the baggage. But honestly, if we don’t make this move, I HIGHLY doubt this would be possible.
We’ll just have to see how this plays out…
"CarGo had to make some repairs to it. They called it a kitchen accident, but he was performing surgery. On teh lazor."
"I mean come on, you can’t be from Nebraska and go to school at CU, I think they take away your overalls or one of your last remaining teeth for that."
Umm, I hate to quibble . . .
This would give the Pac-10 ten of the top 33 TV markets, and all schools except Stanford would be large, academically sound state schools with large enrollments and huge alumni numbers.
USC is a private school.
Paging the department of redundancy department
by Brian Floyd on Feb 12, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Doesn't USC have a religious afiliation?
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by Bill Musgrave on Feb 12, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
Nope, not since the ’50s.
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I stand corrected.
I saw some erroneous info on this subject apparently.
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by Bill Musgrave on Feb 12, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
A few key points
(1) All Pac-10 institutions must approve of an expansion candidate. This means that anyone who degrades the conference academically (CSU) or politically (BYU) stands no chance of admittance.
(2) Colorado’s heart is in the Pac-10, but you’ll need the Pac-10’s wallet to be in Colorado. The current contract with the Big 12 states that any team leaving pays a significant penalty. I believe it is 1/2 the amount of the revenues it would have received from the Big 12 for several years.
Colorado is broke and is still paying their former coach’s buyout on loan from the University. They couldn’t come up with the money to get rid of Hawkins this year, which should tell you something about their athletic department’s state of health.
(3) The Pac-10 will do all it can to destroy competition from the Mountain West and to a lessor extent the Big 12 and Big 10. The Mountain West is trying to get an automatic qualifying bid to the BCS. What better way then to carve off their top teams?
(4) You aren’t thinking big enough. Texas and Texas A&M are in play, along with several other Big 12 teams if your leadership times it right. The goal of the Pac-10 network won’t be to target just one or two markets, it will be to blanket the entire western part of the country. There is going to be a land grab in the great plains and the southwest.
The problem is the Big 10 is in the best position to pick off the top teams first, because of their current, lucrative TV deal. There will be teams looking for golden parachutes, though.
The following is a list of D1 AAU member institutions in the Western half of the USA, think big gentlemen:
Iowa State
Rice
Texas A&M
Colorado
Kansas
Nebraska
Missouri
Texas

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