Quack Fix: Baseball suffers first loss of season, TS&G wins home debut, no football players arrested or dismissed in 16 hours
Well, I'm glad that weekend's over. From arrests and dismissals on the football team, to the basketball teams getting swept, it needed to end.
- The Duck baseball team suffered their first loss of the young season, falling 11-7 to Pepperdine. While Oregon only trailed the Waves 14-12 in hits, the Ducks had 5 errors on the day and gave up 6 unearned runs. The Ducks rallied with 4 runs in the 8th, but it was too little, too late. Still, I think that any Duck fan should be thrilled with a 2-1 record at this point, and it's great to see the team scoring some runs, which it was unable to do for much of last season.
- The Team Stunt and Gymnastics team won their first home meet, beating Azusa Pacific and the Ohio State club team. Oregon finished first in all 5 events, and had strong crowd support, despite the sports being so new.
- George Schroeder has a column on E.J. Singler, and how he is a bright spot on the Ducks team, and will be a future catalyst for Duck success. Singler doesn't necessarily bring a wow factor, but he does everything well, and has emerged as a key member of the Duck team. While I haven't caught much basketball this season, E.J. has stuck out to me in the few minutes I have seen.
- As we discussed at length last night, Jamere Holland was dismissed from the football team yesterday, and many surmise this is due to his Facebook comments on Sunday following Kiko Alonso's DUII citation. Holland has been on thin ice for some time, and this was likely the final straw to Coach Kelly.
As always, share any quack below. GO DUCKS!
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TS&G!
I think that the baseball team is going to be much improved this year. A year of experience plus some new guys that can hit is going to translate to more runs. I wouldn’t be surprised if they finished with a .500 record.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Feb 22, 2010 7:27 AM PST reply actions
.500 is asking for a lot
The Ducks offense is better, but still not good and the pitching depth is suspect. Oregon will be a little better in the early going because their offense puts a lot of pressure on defenses and defenses are always poor early in the year. As the year goes on and teams’ defenses tighten up though, the runs will be hard to come by for Oregon. The Ducks are making positive strides and are right on track for where they want to be, but .500 this year is asking for A LOT.
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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Feb 22, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed. Today, the Ducks are capitalizing big time on errors today. That will not always be the case.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
You must remember that last year's team wouldn't have capitalized on these errors.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Feb 22, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
Can the TS&G switch places with the Basketball Team?
I’d much rather see that on a Thursday night at this point.
Innocent until proven guilty.
Can we get a timer on the front page of the site?
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Actually, I think it should be like those “Days since last accident” signs they have at workplaces. Only ours reads, “Days since last arrest”
I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
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by Matt Daddy on Feb 22, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
WTF is going on with you guys in your offseason? Personally, I blame it on the fact that you somehow (despite yourselves) managed to overthrown the CGB colonial government.
See what happens when you try and govern yourselves? You should have learned from all those scrub countries that got rid of the British. Leave the dictating and running things to the grown ups, and you children play your games. It works better that way.
Whose Axe?
OUR AXE!
This is like watching your baby try to walk on its own. You so want it to succeed, you really do, but you know its going to be a long hard slog and you are there for them when they fall. Except we’re not here for you and we really don’t want you to succeed.
So, I guess it’s not really like awtching your baby try to walk on its own.
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Why don't you want us to success?
42-3 would make me bitter and angry too.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Feb 22, 2010 8:08 AM PST up reply actions
The worst part of that game, by far, has been the sense by Duck fans that they don’t need to even attempt wit anymore.
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by TwistNHook on Feb 22, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I thought 42-3 was suppose to replace wit.
DAMNIT! Why must people feed me false information?!?! I blame UO Sports Dude!!!!!!!!
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
I thought wit was what sports fans resorted to when they couldn’t use the team to smack talk.
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by AllSaintsDay on Feb 22, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
In that case, I must be witty as hell
by Brian Floyd on Feb 22, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Twist is right.
I don’t feel the need to bring up The Pair of Numbers That Shall Not Be Named, since (a) it’s trite, and (b) it’s a clear violation of the CGB Articles of Confederation.
Instead, I’ll just remind you that while you may be our new ursine overlords, we have like 80-some guys on our roster that will kick your ass. I don’t mean “on the field,” mind you — I’m not confident that we’ll have 11 players still on the team come November — I mean that that they will come to your house and they will choke you / punch you / hit you repeatedly in the foot with their faces.
Incidentally, I submit immediately to our ursine overlords, because I am weak and slow. Just in case there was any confusion about that.
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
by ProbablyMonty on Feb 22, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
It’s also funny how, after being beaten by them year-after-year, we finally get a convincing win, and suddenly duck fans decide it’s okay to go “OMG you suck”
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
According to axemen23, we do. But are you going to believe that guy?
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Look, I’m not saying use 42-3. Use it if you want. Its a powerful weapon, clearly.
But it shouldnt replace a genuine attempt at hilariousness.
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If its so serious, why is that guy laughing?
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He's masturbating and he just missed a stroke
"We'll go."
by DONALDUCK on Feb 22, 2010 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
because the internet is porn. Thus completes the circle of life.
Only losing THREE starters from the USC game. (Offense and Defense)
Ladies and Gentlemen your 2010-11 Oregon Ducks.
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by QuackQuackAttack on Feb 22, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
Please oh please Overlords, tell us what to do. We’ll never stray from your ways again if you just stop this from happening. We’ll let Marshaun Lynch stiff arm Chung again or Paysinger fumble at the 1 yard line. We’ll let you score at least 10 points next time. Just tell us what to do to stop this.
I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
Addicted to Quack
Your mascot is insufficiently pedophile. I suggest you change that.
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True.
Puddles should morph into something more homoerotic.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Damnit, don’t do that. Now he’s going to post a picture of Roboduck.
I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
Addicted to Quack
Change up Oregon’s mascot? We’d have the PedoDuck version of RoboDuck, and no one wants that.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
by AllSaintsDay on Feb 22, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
No… but now that I think about it… our mascot does have a history of assault…
SON OF A BITCH!!!!!
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
That Houston mascot was asking for it.
Haven’t we all learned that when it comes out of a mascot’s mouth, no means yes?
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Quote for the day:
Character is defined as what you do when you think nobody’s watching on Facebook.
everything is history, eventually.
I’m not sure you have much ground to make such a request.
I’m sure any of the mods will agree, Twist is fine to be here. Grow a thicker skin.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
Its not necessarily Twist I have a problem with
but the link per se. It’s the kind of thing I’d expect from up in seattle, but not from Golden Blogs.
Innocent until proven guilty.
actually I thought it was hilarious. Thanks Twist.
I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
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LOL
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 22, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
You're saying it was a

HYDROTECH FOR DC
by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 22, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
but the link per se. It’s the kind of thing I’d expect from up in seattle, but not from Golden Blogs
Do you even read CGB? This is EXACTLY what they pride themselves in and they do a great job at it
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
by dvieira on Feb 22, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Flagged. No we don’t!
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 22, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Flagged. No mention of consuming lemon drops
Goodbye Bob Gregory. I am soooooo 6 dimensional now!
by Fire Starkey on Feb 22, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Flagged, because I am very insecure and I like to just do whatever all the cool kids are doing.
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by TwistNHook on Feb 22, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Flagged for being an outright lie.
It's spelled "R-E-D-V-I-N-E-S"
I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
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Flagging you Rec. Cause I like irony
I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
Addicted to Quack
You must be a white person who recently moved to Portland from Brooklyn!
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Nope, I’m a Californian who moved to Oregon because of the weather
I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
Addicted to Quack
Well, I failed. ll I wanted was for you to have a problem with me. That’s all I wanted.
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It’s okay, I still have problems with you, Twist.
HYDROTECH FOR DC
by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 22, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Welcome to ATQ Spazzy
I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
Addicted to Quack
Are you only welcoming me because I have problems with Twist?
…
…rec’d!
HYDROTECH FOR DC
by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 22, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
You know what they say. The enemy of my enemy…
I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
Addicted to Quack
it’s nice that the CGB guys visit us, since we’re on house arrest and such
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
Could they bring their hacksaws next time though?
This ankle bracelet is chafing me.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry, I’m not allowed to own pointy things. Court order.
HYDROTECH FOR DC
by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 22, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
I think I’m supposed to say, “NAILED IT!”
I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
Addicted to Quack
If you ever get out of your ankle bracelet, you are always welcome down at CGB! Don’t show up empty handed, though. That’s so rude! And don’t bring fucking natty lite like JShufelt all the time. Worst beer ever.
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Whoa whoa whoa. Shufelt actually remembers to bring the beer when he hangs out with you guys? We should be so lucky!
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Trust me you don’t want Shufelt visiting you. He’s the one that started all these problems we’re having. On second thought… Shu head on down to CGB
I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
Addicted to Quack
The
Link to the TS&G goes to Kiko Alonso getting arrested. The only reason I want that link is to trash talk my friend that goes to Azusa Pacific.
Duck season tickets for Christmas = Best Christmas EVER.
Fixed! Too many RG tabs open this morning. They all start to look the same.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Is it sad that I have very strong feelings on Asuza Pacific’s unis? They looked like workout clothes with logos & numbers.
Our uniforms looked pretty sweet, because Oregon Knows Awesome Uniforms.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
by AllSaintsDay on Feb 22, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
In guess you have a couple Hedberg quotes laying around.
Canzano’s latest article is look for them in the comments section.
I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
Addicted to Quack
That’s a very strange article.
It’s talking about inconsistencies… but I think Kelly is being very consistent with his punishment.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
I think the first draft didn’t sound controversial and inflamtory enough when it was “Hey some individual duck players are making some stupid mistakes and Kelly is being consistent with his punishment” So it had to be “Kelly’s lost control of the team.”
Here’s the bright side of all this. You know this is nearing an end when Canzano has picked it up. That guys is never right.
I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
Addicted to Quack
My "favorite" part of that article
came when he condemned Kelly for wanting to wait till the facts are out on the LMJ situation with something along the lines of, “Hey Coach, he’s already been jailed, charged and out on bail. Doesn’t that sound like facts to you?” I would quote it exactly…but I’m not taking my site traffic back to that turdball.
Uh, no John, that actually DOESN’T constitute the facts being out on the situation. Evidently civics lessons about presumption of innocence do not form an integral component of journalism school.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 22, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
My favorite part is that Kelly should respond, regardless of whether or not he lost the trust in his team. Because the desire to please John Canzano should be so great, that you shouldn’t care if its the right thing to do or not.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
In guess? Damn I need coffee and quack.
I mean ^in case
I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
Addicted to Quack
What an absurd article.
A Dr. Saturday post this morning on the state of the program (sad/angry read), claimed, "By Sunday night, the largest newspaper in the state was through mincing words, writing flatly that “Kelly has clearly lost control.”
Which of course comes from this asshat’s column. I’m sick of the Oregonian giving this guy legitimacy to the rest of the country.
Is the Oregonian really the largest newspaper in the state?
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
by AllSaintsDay on Feb 22, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
To be fair,
That’s a larger number of dedicated readers than Clownzano has.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Always amazes me how quickly, either intentionally or inadvertently, journalists forget the Duke lacrosse story. Journalists wanted those guys to be tarred and feathered when they were arrested.
Sorry, but I don’t want Kelly to become Roger Goddell where you suspend people immediately upon arrest. wait until the facts are in.
I love how one day he says Kelly needs to do something to control the football team and he’s not handing out stiff punishments. But now that Holland is kicked off for violating team rules, that penalty is too stiff and if he caught a few more balls, he wouldn’t have been kicked off.
by westspec on Feb 22, 2010 9:52 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
The editor of the Oregonian's sports department
has CLEARLY lost control.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
P.S.
‘Clearly’ is one of my least favorite words in the English language. People only say it when they’re really trying to convince you something is true, which in and of itself makes it obvious that what they’re saying isn’t ‘clear’ at all.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
Honestly, it’s not as bad as “honestly”
I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
Addicted to Quack
Your opinion is clearly wrong and honestly porn.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
by AllSaintsDay on Feb 22, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Good example with the Duke players
This off-season officially sucks for FIVE reasons and counting...
idk if that is worse then james situation
if he is found guilt of beating his girlfriend/ not girlfriend in his apartment/ the parking lot or what ever new edition of the story comes out next week
Flip cam FTW
Latest quote from a former Duck
Jamere.outside looking in now tell me what you see, ya don’t. my FB is being hit up like no other. I’m this, I’m that, call me what you want but it’s gone take more than crazy messages and an Oregon scholly to break me…Freedom of speech fuck it!!! Don’t exist- Holland’s FB update about 8 minutes ago
by hazmat5793 on Feb 22, 2010 9:48 AM PST via mobile reply actions
He rambles too much
Get that kid a twitter account
by Brian Floyd on Feb 22, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
Compared to most of the garbage I see on Twitter,
Jamere seems rather intelligible.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
It's like compassionativity.
Language is intelligible (ie understandable).
People are intelligent.
So yeah, I added a syllable or two there.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Smartass fail (a la axemen)
I see now that intelligible is in fact a real word.
I guess my first clue should have been when my spell checker didn’t alert me to that being a misspelled word.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
I had to look it up
They’re getting lenient with what constitutes a word these days.
Get off my motherfuckin’ lawn and back in my day Pluto was a planet.
by Brian Floyd on Feb 22, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
I stick to “Pluto should not be a planet, because it makes Gustav Holst’s suite complete.”
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
by AllSaintsDay on Feb 22, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Back in my day,
football fans communicated mostly by punching each other in the teeth, and we didn’t have no fancy blogs, and they sure as hell wasn’t no homoerotic neither.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
I feel like we should encourage more of this behavior from Jamere—let’s get him to go Full Clarrett. Do you all realize how much street-cred we’d get if that happened??!
Multiple outlets saying Kiko suspended for 2010 season.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/pac10/2010/02/chip_kelly_suspends_linebacker.html
That’s harsh. But is it really harsh enough? I get the fact that taken individually as a stand alone incident a full year suspension would seem rather harsh. But given the subtext of what is going on right now, is this a loud enough message to the program?
I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
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Seems like a strong enough message to me. Remember, Carlos Dunlap got ONE game for a DUI. Did Al Afalava miss any regular season games after destroying that bus stop (actually asking, I don’t remember)?
If the NFL is any indication...
You have to kill someone while DUI to be punished harshly.
by Brian Floyd on Feb 22, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Harshly meaning
Thirty days in prison for vehicular manslaughter.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
And suspended for the season
I still don’t get how you can kill someone with a car while drunk and receive such a short sentence.
by Brian Floyd on Feb 22, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Was he suspended without pay?
Not that it’s a huge deal for someone with an NFL contract, but at least $1 million would hurt most of us pretty bad.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
$3.5 million here, $3.5 million there,
pretty soon we’re talking about real money.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
I think that this is a very harsh sentence, and that’s good. These types of actions won’t be tolerated at Oregon.
That said, Kelly (as we saw through the Blount thing) wants to help facilitate the improvement of his players. Holland displayed time and again that he was unable to improve his behavior. He was given multiple chances, and though he didn’t screw up in a massive way, he did the same shit over and over.
In Alonso’s case, I’m assuming this is his first run-in with team rules. He will pay the price for his actions, and if he makes it through the year without playing, and works his ass off, he’ll be a better person for it, and deserves another shot at football.
I think this is as good a balance that can be achieved between doling out severe punishment and giving these young men second chances at their life.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Holland displayed time and again that he was unable to improve his behavior.
Apparently self admittedly too.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
I think Kiko woulda been history if he hadn't 'fessed the truth to CK.
Him telling the truth probably saved his career in football
"We'll go."
That doesn't answer my question about what his BAC was
I feel like if I was the coach and one of my players got a DUI 12 hours after the having that kind of press conference, I’d probably have to break out the pimp hand.
by Brian Floyd on Feb 22, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
He's underage
So it doesn’t matter any BAC is enough.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
It's more out of curiosity
Like was it a .03, or a .20? Because one of those is a bit crazier than the other and also has bonus Fulmer Cup points written all over it
by Brian Floyd on Feb 22, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Canzano...
does this surprise anyone? It’s sad that the media feels so compelled crucify kids before anything has been proven about their situation. Somebody above mentioned the Duke lacrosse team and that’s a perfect example of the media’s tendency to prematurely condemn these kids. How much longer before we don’t have to deal with Canzano? Seriously…come on ESPN you know you want him on Around the Horn so you can have him with the East Coast Canzano (Jay Mariotti) and other blow-hards like Bill “Derek Jeter’s the best player ever because he’s a gamer” Plaschke. Please Bristol…take him away from us!
I’m too lazy to look but I bet there’s an article from last year talking about how Jamere Holland shouldn’t be given so many chances to stay with the team…not John is sticking up for poor Jamere because of his right to say what he wants on his Facebook page. If this were JUST about the Jamere Holland situation I would be t everything I own on Canzano’s article this morning being about Chip making the decision because these social networking things like Twitter and Facebook are being abused by college athletes and coaches have to take a stand on it.
He’s so predictable.
Not exactly sticking up for Holland
The last line of Canzo’s column:
“…cutting Holland loose, while appropriate, isn’t enough.”
I can’t disagree with that. Can anyone?
everything is history, eventually.
by benzduck on Feb 22, 2010 1:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Cutting Holland loose isn’t enough?
I can’t agree with that.
How about suspending a player for a year? Is that enough?
How about suspending Masoli for an incident that he might have not done?
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
Since you asked..
CK should have suspended LMJ from active participation in team activities pending the outcome of his legal situation. Not dismissed, but suspended.
This is not a hard line to take. “Innocent until proven guilty” is the rule in a legal situation. In employment — and in a situation where playing intercollegiate sports is, ultimately, a privilege — the rules are not the same.
I have employees, who are in public situations, and are required to maintain standards of decorum and personal conduct. They are representatives of the organization I work for.. They know that if they get into any kind of public legal trouble their employment status could be in jeopardy.
Ultimately, it’s a judgement call, and one I don’t like to make. But a while back I discovered one morning, while reading the local paper, that one of our employees had been caught in an “indecent activity” crackdown at a local park. He was one of several local citizens arrested by the sheriff’s office for soliciting sexual activity or indecent exposure. His picture, along with the other accused, was on the front page of the paper.
We had to let him go. It was not advantageous to us to do so — in football terms, he was our LMJ — but we already had the policy, everyone who worked there understood and signed off on it when they were hired, and we couldn’t afford not to enforce it.
Mind you, he was not convicted of a crime (and many, myself included, thought the bust was unfair and a waste of law enforcement time). He was charged, booked, and released. It didn’t matter.
Harsh? Yes.
I’m not saying CK should dismiss James. Keep him on scholarship. But making a definitive statement that you’re sitting him down, pending the outcome of the situation, is both reasonable and appropriate in my opinion. If the process drags out and he has to burn a redshirt, let it happen.
Regarding Alonso: Getting busted for drunk driving is even more clear-cut than being accused of domestic violence, because in this case it’s the word of a law enforcement officer as witness, with hard evidence in the form of a breathalyzer. Alonzo is under-age. If there aren’t some kind of team rules for a case like this there damn well should be.
As for Holland, anyone who thinks that he was dismissed solely because of something he wrote on Facebook has not been paying attention to his career. I’m sure Bellotti had some influence here — he was the one who took Holland back in the first place. But CK was stuck between a rock and a hard place with this one. Ignore the situation and let it fester, or cut out the cancer.
My issue with Canzano in all this is that he thinks the public has a right to know, up front, how all these team rules work, presumably so the media, as a representative of The Public (i.e., Canzano) can determine whether the rules are being applied according to its own (Canzano’s) standards. Which is absurd.
everything is history, eventually.
It's a state university.
And while I think Clownzano is simply raking muck, I wouldn’t qualify it as ‘absurd’ that the public should presume to know team rules.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
The absurd part is why Clownzano wants CK to make public all his decisions regarding players.
If CK doesn’t make these public, Canzano can’t criticize the decisions. This frustrates him, because all he can do is criticize the fact that CK doesn’t give him something else to criticize.
everything is history, eventually.
I should also say
I agree with suspending LMJ, but if he gets cleared and reinstated, CK is still screwed. He “suspended” LGB for the season, and although I agree with the way he handled it in the end, his re-instatement of LGB is Argument #1 for the Inconsistency Police all over the O-Live/ESPN boards.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
It doesn’t have to be the same type of suspension. Blount was only prevented from playing in games. I’m saying suspend LMJ from football activities until this is resolved.
everything is history, eventually.
When does spring practice start?
Would he miss anything other than weightlifting between now and the pre-trial hearing? For some guys that’s more reward than punishment.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
I agree, insofar as I think “absurd” puts it too far. But I still think it’s not wrong to have team rules not be known publicly.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
by AllSaintsDay on Feb 22, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree with you, not just about this specific instance, but in general principle. I don’t think that people accused of crimes should necessarily have their livelihood (or in this case, football scholarship) taken away, especially when the facts are not know, and I would say that LMJ’s situation falls under this category.
In my mind, there is little to no downside to waiting. If he’s guilty, he will be punished accordingly. If he’s innocent, then he the damage done to him will be minimal.
If games were coming up, it would be much more difficult situation, as James would miss a lot of practice time, etc. But at this point, there is no reason for Kelly to officially change James’ status.
Suspending James at this point does nothing for James, and doesn’t accomplish much for the University.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
What was it CK said to the reporter?
Would you expect to lose your job if you were not convicted of a crime?
On the other hand, a university football program is not the same as the legal system, and the burden of proof for each should not be the same.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
Sure, but I still think you need to make sure all the facts are in. And we don’t know the facts.
I don’t think that anyone should lose their job/scholarship simply based on a single persons accusation. There may be more evidence, and that evidence will come out very soon, and a more informed decision will be made by the coaching staff I’m sure. But until that point, making a decision this quickly can only do harm.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
And we don’t know the facts.
Exactly right. I am as certain as I can possibly be that CK knows more than any of us including Clownzano. Especially Clownzano.
There are plausible and obvious alternative stories to the LMJ (crazy ex-GF) and Masoli (drunk frat boy) situations.
There is a plausible alternative story to being an idiot on Facebook (hacked login/password), but Holland had a track record of stupidity dating back to his days at USC.
There is not a plausible alternative story to underage drunken driving.
For the record: I have absolutely no problem with the way CK is handling all this. I would also have absolutely no problem if he suspended LMJ indefinitely. Because I don’t know what CK knows.
Also for the record: I had reservations about him reinstating LGB, but his explanation was sincere enough to give him the benefit of the doubt.
All that being said, it grows tiresome to support a team comprised of a certain critical mass of criminals and idiots. I stopped caring about nearly all pro sports long ago for the same reason: enough pro athletes are outright assholes both on and off the field that the good ones can’t outshine them.
I don’t want to get there with my Ducks. Really, I don’t. But this week made it a distinct possibility.
I’ve traveled to at least one game (in style, mind you) each of the past five seasons. If this kind of garbage keeps up, I’m not going to be making any such trips in the foreseeable future.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d for saving me the trouble of typing pretty much the same thing.
everything is history, eventually.
I'm still confused
because I seem to have a (1) rec.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Depends on the job (see above), and the crime.
Suspending LMJ would not be “losing his job”. Keep him on scholarship, make him stay in school, but — unlike Blount — do not let him do anything football related.
I don’t care one whit if the rules of conduct and such are made public, so long as they are made abundantly clear to the players.
everything is history, eventually.
Don’t take away his scholarship.
You are thus making a statement, while ensuring he can stay in school (at least if the freaking county judge can get his head out of his ass long enough to comprehend the implications of that particular situation).
The fact that there are no games coming up make this an easier situation, and makes Suspending From Football Activities A Player Who Is Charged With Domestic Violence a reasonable thing to do.
And I disagree: This would, in fact, accomplish quite a bit for the university.
everything is history, eventually.
What statement needs to be made right now, that can’t wait until more facts are known about this situation? What does the university gain by suspending him right now rather than waiting?
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Re Masoli: Not the same situation as LMJ. Masoli hasn’t been busted.
everything is history, eventually.
Do you have any players left?
Goodbye Bob Gregory. I am soooooo 6 dimensional now!
by Fire Starkey on Feb 22, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Thankfully,
we have 95 Eddie Pleasants that can play any position on the field.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
We've been so naive!
This was Clownzano’s plan all along. He, like all sportswriters, never played a sport his entire life. He’s looking for just that chance in bringing down U of O football player by player until they’re desperate enough to call an aging 30-something asshole hack sportswriter because they need a punter.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Listen,
I don’t care about your so-called “facts”. They’re getting in the way of my blatant stereotyping of nerdy journalism wanna-be-athletes.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, I wanna be a journalist. This doesn't mean I'm nerdy and/or I've never played a sport.
Only losing THREE starters from the USC game. (Offense and Defense)
Ladies and Gentlemen your 2010-11 Oregon Ducks.
by QuackQuackAttack on Feb 22, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Dickle-back? What’s this?
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Feb 22, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s sad that we’ve reach this point as a basketball program. Here’s a headline from the RG basketball blog.
Last Pac-10 game at Mac Court to be televised
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
This S&G video just popped up on Twitter:
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
My initial reaction
Do any of you people have jobs?
everything is history, eventually.
by benzduck on Feb 22, 2010 1:17 PM PST via mobile reply actions
James may end up being academically inelligible...
Per the RG, James is not allowed on the UO main campus, though he can be at the Casanova Center.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Well that’s stupid.
It's spelled "R-E-D-V-I-N-E-S"
I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Addicted to Quack, the home of Tako Tuesdays
Apparently his living situation is also in violation of NCAA rules.
They’re trying to have him stay with Bev Smith, but she lives within two miles of campus. This would be allowable because Smith is not an athletic department employee.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
This seems ridiculous to me. There’s nothing that can be worked out to allow him to attend classes? Ugh.
No matter what your opinion is on guilt/innocence/punishment/etc. this is one messed up situation. What a pain.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
He should be allowed to go to class.
Agreed.
This off-season officially sucks for FIVE reasons and counting...
Around the Horn commenting on the Ducks now.
Only losing THREE starters from the USC game. (Offense and Defense)
Ladies and Gentlemen your 2010-11 Oregon Ducks.
by QuackQuackAttack on Feb 22, 2010 2:20 PM PST reply actions
Comment from Moseley in regards to the University getting backed into the corner by all the PR…
I guarantee you this—Chip Kelly doesn’t give a whip what Schroeder or Canzano think he should do.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
From the baseball live blog:
Yesterday at Pepperdine the ticket office didn’t prepare for all the Oregon fans and ran out of physical tickets to sell
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
Well,
Money itself is only an illusion. I don’t see why tickets cannot be an illusion either god dammit!
This off-season officially sucks for FIVE reasons and counting...
Money didn’t become an illusion of value until they stopped issuing silver certificates and took us off the gold standard.
everything is history, eventually.
Gold Standard?
My goodness, that sure was a long time ago.
This off-season officially sucks for FIVE reasons and counting...
Little known fact
The Wizard of Oz was political allegory for the corruption of the gold standard.
Or maybe that’s a widely known fact.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 22, 2010 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
In US History last year,
We actually went over this concept for a little while.
“Follow the yellow brick road”
This off-season officially sucks for FIVE reasons and counting...
Oz = oz.
Each of the characters symbolized a politician of the day, I tink William Jennings Bryant is the cowardly lion.
Man you were doing so well. Now hand in your RF anniversary chip and go back to your weekly meetings.
“Hi, I’m HRD and I have a reply fail problem.”
“Hi HRD”
I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
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