Quack Fix: Recap of Kelly v. Canzano, Oregon recruit's ineligibility forces high school forfeiture
Breathe, people. It will all be over soon. I mean the week, by the way, not the recent media shitstorm that's hit Eugene. That's only just beginning. Care for a little Morning Quack Fix? Hell, make it a double:
- The big news yesterday was the Kelly v. Canzano Magical Media Tour Showdown Face-off Extravaganza. First Oregon head coach Chip Kelly appeared on ESPN's Outside the Lines, followed by an appearance from Oregonian columnist John Canzano (both clips embedded after the jump). Then, Kelly gave an interview on Canzano's local talk radio show, the Bald Faced Truth. Now the pundits will help us clear the air. The Oregonian's John Hunt thinks Kelly was defensive. Canzano has a few post-interview thoughts as well. SI.com's Stewart Mandel, on the other hand, comes to Kelly's defense. My head's still spinning.
- Meanwhile, Conquest Chronicles' Paragon SC wonders why ESPN or OTL haven't covered the nearly 30 arrests involving Florida football players the past four years. Or the 30 Georgia players, 21 Tennessee players, and 13 Florida State players arrested in the same span. Sounds like a story for Deadspin.
- And, of course, the offseason drama continues: St. Bonaventure High School has been forced to forfeit it's 2009 season due to an ineligible player. And it just so happens that player is Oregon recruit Troy Hill. The good news here is that Oregon's compliance office discovered the error and notified St. Bonaventure immediately. It is still unclear how this will affect Hill's scholarship or collegiate eligibility.
- A couple ex-Ducks chimed in on the recent slew of off-field issues: Reggie Jordan, Jordan Kent and Josh Wilcox each offered The Oregonian's Aaron Fentress their thoughts. It's always great getting the different perspectives of former players.
- According to the Spokesman-Review, former Oregon athletic director Bill Moos is set to become Washington State's new AD. Moos, who held the post at Oregon from 1995 to 2007, was an all-conference lineman with the Cougars in 1972 and has been living on his ranch about an hour north of Pullman since leaving Oregon two years ago.
- In his weekly college hoops column, Forde Minutes, ESPN.com's Pat Forde writes that Oregon head coach Ernie Kent "should find a ride to work." As he so aptly puts it, "If you're last in this league, you're awful." I don't think I can argue with him on that.
- Looking to catch a little Oregon baseball action, but aren't sure if you'll make it out to PK Park? You're in luck. The Oregon Sports Network will air 13 Oregon baseball games on Comcast SportsNet Northwest this spring. The first game to air will be the Ducks' matchup with Washington on Tuesday, March 2 at 5:00 p.m. PT. The broadcast team will consist of Joe Giansante and former Oregonian and Portland Tribune columnist Dwight Jaynes.
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hey quack heads, its been a while...
been super busy lately — what the heck is goin’ on? it blows — all the off the field issues you guys are havin. seriously, every big time school has these issues pop up, it just stinks that it’s happening all at once for your team. hang tough, we’re only 192 days away from actual football : )
everybig timeschool has these issues pop up
Fixed.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Well,
ESPN is dishing out relentless criticism towards us. But remarkably, this morning I heard them call UO an elite program.
Like Paul said, talk about the problems in Gainesville for once. Somehow, they have gotten NO scrutiny whatsoever about this. Amazing indeed.
This off-season officially sucks for FIVE reasons and counting...
That, I think is the perception
I work with people around the country and all I hear from them is that “This happens when a team starts to win”. Oddly I have heard almost no negative feedback about the program, just that this is part of the evolution…a sad sad part that I would like to avoid but Its not ruining our reputation.
I think that’s a pretty cliche statement. People say that because they only pay attention when big schools have run ins with the law. WSU has had constant law problems. OSU had their share a few years ago.
To think that there are worse or more crimes at successful schools is dumb. They just get much more media scrutiny, well, unless you’re Florida.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Tim Tebow’s awesomeness and Christiany goodness made up for all the arrests though…
by westspec on Feb 24, 2010 8:05 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
If our two top players hadn’t been accused, our situation would probably be quite different, at least from a media perspective. I doubt Chip would be handling the situations differently.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I remember when Carlos Dunlap got his dui. No one said Meyer lost control of the program, everyone just wondered how it would affect the SEC championship game
by westspec on Feb 24, 2010 8:15 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry but Masoli and LMJ are the stars of the team.
It just looks bad. We all know this.
~ How much for the little girl? Your women - how much for the women? The little girl your 2 daughters, sell them to me, SELL ME YOUR CHILDREN!~
by My Name is Bryce on Feb 24, 2010 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
And not only that. Chip still has to built his reputation.
All the other coaches people tend to mention have proven track records. Kelly does not (yet).
~ How much for the little girl? Your women - how much for the women? The little girl your 2 daughters, sell them to me, SELL ME YOUR CHILDREN!~
by My Name is Bryce on Feb 24, 2010 8:19 AM PST up reply actions
So you’re saying once you coach for about 10 years, you no longer take the blame for your players being arrested? Only newer head coaches who are not “established” have to babysit their players?
To me its the opposite – the more experienced the coach, the more you would expect him to keep his players in line
by westspec on Feb 24, 2010 8:32 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
No once you have success and a track record the media gives you the benefit of the doubt
It would be a pretty big stretch to say Meyer has lost control, but a first year coach with no head coaching experience…?
(not saying I agree with them. but thats how they create a story)
~ How much for the little girl? Your women - how much for the women? The little girl your 2 daughters, sell them to me, SELL ME YOUR CHILDREN!~
by My Name is Bryce on Feb 24, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
Helped with Ohio State
Think of the Maurice Clarett situation. Their coach is hardly thought of an undisciplined coach due to that because he had a good record.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
It didn't hurt that
Maurice Clarett was kicked off the team prior to his extreme deep-end swan dive. His transgressions while on the team were bad (insurance fraud, booster contact) but the whole AK-47/robbery things happened a good bit after he left OSU.
I don’t mean to insinuate that I think Oregon is in some different boat than OSU was, I don’t. I think that Kelly has had a real bad off season for arrests but nothing we (the college football public) haven’t seen before. The way he is handling it is how I would expect it to be handled. Urban Meyer is on a different planet of inconsistent punishment and I think this Calzano douche basically picked a fight over punishment nomenclature. Seriously, he boiled down the James issue by asking for a ceremonial suspension announcement—-to “show the team”….what a crock of shit. I’m sorry that this ass clown is what local sports talk is these days.
Best of luck with the rest of the off season.
Go Bucks.
by Onestatewest on Feb 24, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
good call jtlight...
every school deals with it — i only meant the media sh#* storm rolls around when you’re a big time school. no one’s gonna fuss if a player from the new hampshire football team get’s a dui, but if it happens at ohio state or florida or oregon — it’s big news, baby!
And it doesn't help if you have an idiot sports columnist
Who already has it in for the school.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Thank God for the Olympics
The story is getting buried except locally.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Well,
Valiant attempt at the least to change the subject.
This off-season officially sucks for FIVE reasons and counting...
ESPN got it right in one regard this week...
Thank God Kornheiser has been suspended from PTI for two weeks…because that means Dan Lebatard is on the show and he is one of the only sane reporters they ever have on there. He was mentioning Monday how Florida and Penn St. and other programs have this problem, too. Now…he made kind of snarky remark that I thought was pretty funny when he said “Watch Oregon win a nation championship in the next couple of years…because when things like this pop up it means you have really good players…the only difference between Kelly and Meyer and Paterno and Saban is that Kelly doesn’t have a ring.” I think Stewart Mandel said something similar. So there are smart people out there in the media who covering this whole thing realistically and with the appropriate amount of journalistic integrity (I love Mandel calling out the “alarmist” type sports writers).
Obviously that’s a cynical attitude from Lebatard, but there’s some truth to it; however, I do agree with Canzano (gulp) on one thing: you don’t have to sacrifice “morals” (whatever that may be) for championships. I don’t think Chip Kelly is and I think it’s ridiculous that the media is jumping all over this situation like he is some kind of horrible amoral coach who can’t control his kids.
Anyway…everyone should read Mandel’s article. He uses great examples (something Canzano doesn’t know how to do aside from his constant pimping of his time covering UNLV) of other coaches who took over programs, had some problems, won games and then everything was good. If all of this would have happened prior to last year’s Rose Bowl run…no one would be talking about Kelly’s lack of control. This is mostly due to bad timing, nothing going on in sports aside from the Winter Olympics (even the NFL is on a brief hiatus), and as usual a board Oregonian sports columnists who claims he enjoys watching the Blazers and Ducks succeed…which may be true, but I rarely can recall positive articles about last year’s Blazer or Duck team. Canzano may personally enjoy the successes of those teams, but I’ve rarely seen him articulate with his articles. His whole response after his show just reeked of him covering his tracks…
by kolson82 on Feb 24, 2010 8:38 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Being a student of journalism...
At the fine institution of Allen Hall and now working in the media, the alarmist sport writing columns get a lot of page views, but they are really lazy writing. It doesn’t take much thought or nuance or research to quickly condemn an athlete’s actions or write a knee jerk take on a hot topic. It’s funny that this type of writing often leads to spots on Around the Horn, it’s kind of a new wave of sports writing built for TV appearances.
I do feel like George Schroeder often takes a measured approach with his opinions, looking at different angles of a topic. But Canzano goes for the emotional, visceral that’s sure to incite reaction and will play well on radio/TV.
by MurphyLPiddleton on Feb 24, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Joey G and Jaynes?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, Giansante and Dwight will be a bad combo, mostly due to Joey.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Is it just me
or do Canzano and Sharp look eerily similar?
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Great balanced take by Ted Miller
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Feb 24, 2010 9:30 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Word.
Now that’s what I’m talking about.
by MurphyLPiddleton on Feb 24, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
Great take by Ted
Zero-tolerance discipline makes for a good sound bite. There are plenty of people who love its seeming righteousness.
This isn’t just true in sports, but in any aspect of life.
I am very happy that Kelly is willing to believe his players, and give them a fair shake. Justice will be served either way, and this way Kelly earns the trust of his team.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
That was a good piece, and I think Miller presents both sides of the issue well.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I've liked a lot of Ted's takes since he started blogging for ESPN.
I don’t get the accusations of anti-Oregon bias, even though he’s been Seattle based before. I think he’s usually got a pretty balanced perspective.
His main problem is that ESPN Conversations are nothing but trollfests. Impossible to read.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 24, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Best part about that. Chip Kelly is named. Clown tool gets called “some radio dude.” No the national people don’t know who you are John, and they don’t believe in you either.
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
Addicted to Quack
The funniest thing about yesterday
is that if Clownzano’s intent was to make CK look bad, he ended up doing precisely the opposite.
Every time I hear Chip talk he seems more and more like a good, honest man trying to do the right thing in a very difficult situation. Regardless of whether one agrees with his approach to tall this, he’s gained a huge amount of my respect. Which he had a ton of to begin with.
Anybody turn on the MSP this morning?
I lasted a whole 15 seconds before changing to to NPR. They were seriously using points to score who won the debate. How that passes as a radio show boggles my mind.
Between MSP and that bald thing, it's unbearable.
I’d say “boycott the sponsors”, but I don’t need a mortgage, my roof is fine, I don’t think I can become super-healthy by drinking expensive vitamins, and Beaverton is too far to drive for a haircut, even if it comes with a happy ending.
everything is history, eventually.
Chad Doing is Canzano’s bitch. I didn’t listen to it because I knew he’d have Canzano’s back.
Ducks - 2009 Pac 10 Champs
Chargers - 2009 AFC West Champs
Things could be much worse, I could be a fuskies & Broncos fan.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Feb 24, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
I love how Canzano acts like he speaks for everyone. Really?
Ducks - 2009 Pac 10 Champs
Chargers - 2009 AFC West Champs
Things could be much worse, I could be a fuskies & Broncos fan.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Feb 24, 2010 11:04 AM PST reply actions
To be fair
He just said he speaks for the Doche Nozzle demographic…
Which to be fair,
is a pretty significant portion of the population.
Funny that even Washington state is 50-50 between “gets it right” and “too soft”. Although SportsNation polls are about the worst form of evidence possible.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 24, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Although SportsNation polls are John Canzano is about the worst form of evidence possible.
Ducks - 2009 Pac 10 Champs
Chargers - 2009 AFC West Champs
Things could be much worse, I could be a fuskies & Broncos fan.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Feb 24, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
John Canzano’s opinion is porn.
It's spelled "C-A-N-Z-A-N-O-S-P-A-R-E-N-T-S-D-O-N-T-B-E-L-I-E-V-E-I-N-H-I-M"
I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
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He’s spoken to 20-30 of your friends as well as people in your family and they disagree with you. The only one he’d name is The Impact.
"Maybe your parents didn't believe in you."
by MarineCorpsDuck on Feb 24, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rob Moseley catches up with Shaquala Williams who is returning to Mac Court as an honorary captain for Thursday’s game against USC.
Good stuff Joe.
"...the noise is one aspect, but you can feel the intensity of their crowd." - Pete Carroll on Oregon's Autzen Stadium.
Sorry to go off like this but...
Just more of the usual insipid self-aggrandizing blather from a mid market muckraker reporter who would never make it on air without his newspaper gig. In theory, radio station gives controversial beat writer a block of airtime, typically without pay, which he then transforms into a platform to try and expand his audience and relevance beyond the newspapers rapidly eroding readership. In turn, the radio station with minimal if any financial stake in the dj/columnist hybrid also hopes to increase it’s audience share in cross promotion with newspaper. In industry speak, this is called PBS or Programming By Suits. Unfortunately for the Armani’s what typically results from this partnership is, either the audience tires of the “doom donkey” shtick and disappears (not likely) or said reporter tires of the Groundhogs Day nightmare of his lifework and transitions to more socially relevant and local civic issues, e.g..The Oregonion’s Steve Duin. But even as an ATQ’er listening outside of the huddle so to speak, CK had every right to get a little frosty over questions that could only be asked by someone who is an ass by nature. From the sideline I think CK could have avoided the horn locking and expanded more on the Alonso decision re: "having all the facts," by perhaps confiding to us that Alonso had fallen on his sword and admitted he was in fact guilty of drunk driving thus requiring the correct decision to suspend him immediately. LMJ however is obviously a more complicated issue than a DUII but I think the coach would have been wise to suggest that Cancerzano should book either a DA and/or a defense attorney on his show so he could educate himself and most of his audience about just how differently the legal procedure prism views those charged with domestic violence vs. most other criminal charges and not just under Oregon but many other states laws as well. Then maybe Cantzano could understand just why CK might want to "wait for all the facts." Maybe.
Which in turn is responsible for this reply fail.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 24, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
See, Canzano would love this HRD…because you are consistent with your reply fails.
"Maybe your parents didn't believe in you."
by MarineCorpsDuck on Feb 24, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Plus,
he knows my mom, my personal physician, my 5th grade teacher, three of my cousins and my employer. He already told them I’m cool with him.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 24, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
They think I handled the LaGarrette Blount reply fail wrongly.
But to be fair, I’m a young reply failer who is embarrassed and tense about reply failure.
Listen, Pornzano has covered all the big-name reply failers in all kinds of major markets. Axemen, davereg, you name it. He knows what he’s talking about.
by HoodRiverDuck on Feb 24, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Unfortunately he finished second in the reply failure columnist of the year awards race
He also felt you should’ve been banished from ATQ and that your reinstatement lead to Shufelt forgetting the beer.
Isn't there some new policy where you have to commend Ernie Kent as a coach for this?
This off-season officially sucks for FIVE reasons and counting...
I am beginning to think that this whole Kelly/Canzano feud is a great thing for Duck fans. Because player trouble started the whole debate, there are inherent negative aspects to the situation. However, I am beginning to think that all of these debacles have solidified Coach Kelly’s commitment to rational, thought out, justice in the eyes of nearly every Duck fan (and hopefully all the boosters). Had it not been for Canzano, many Duck fans would be questioning Coach Kelly’s judgement and would seriously be wondering if the program was “lost”. In a sick, twisted way, Canzano did a huge favor for Duck fans.
This off-season officially sucks for FIVE reasons and counting...
My apologies if this has already been posted, but Ken Goe / Mike Tokito of the Oregonian have spoken out in CK’s defense. I can only hope that this is a thinly veiled rebuke of John Canzano’s idiocy.
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
Ken Goe has openly disagreed with John Canzano a number of times
this past year. I’m surprised Mike Tokito can put aside his crush on Craig Robinson long enough to contribute to the column.
Hehehe
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if 30 writers for the Oregonian begin to openly question Canzano?
This off-season officially sucks for FIVE reasons and counting...
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if -7 writers for the Oregonian begin to openly question Canzano?
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
by AllSaintsDay on Feb 24, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And another idiotic article
That makes some pretty big leaps of logic regarding the recent issues affecting the Ducks, by Matt Hayes of The Sporting News
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
Funny quote from Brandon Roy talking about the Toronto Raptor fans cheering every time Canada scored tonight (which was a lot):
“I didn’t hear [the cheers] but I knew that Canada was playing Russia and I saw that it was at our game time so I was happy about that,” McMillan said, smiling. “I looked at the stands when we first came in and said they may have a lot of no-shows. I thought they scheduled it for the right time.”
Roy said playing before a distracted crowd was nothing new to him.
“There’s times when we’re playing in our stadium and they may show the Oregon Ducks or something and they cheer really loud for them,” he said.
http://espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=300224028
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