Oregon's LaMichael James sentenced 10 days in jail, pleading guilty to 1 count misd. harassment. 4 charges dismissed. hearing took 6 min.
LaMichael James also got 24 mos. probation. He'll have to serve 8 days in jail, getting credit for 2 days already served.
[UPDATE] LaMichael James is unlikely to serve more jail time, according to the DA. Partly because of jail overcrowding.
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Pretty much what everybody was expecting
Basically if he tried to fight all the charges he was going to lose his eligibility, so pleading guilty makes sense from that stand point.
Seems pretty tough
I’m thinking he has to get at least a game off. Yeah, I know, it’s “only” harassment, but if the court sees fit to punish him that severely, I don’t see how Kelly can get off by only slapping his wrist. A couple of games seems about right. Although I know people are going to say that’s too much.
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we can do better than that
1 half…..plus the 2nd half kickoff. That’ll teach him!
Innocent until proven guilty.
Unfortunately, I know about jail overcrowding in Lane County
He can do one of two things.
#1: Go to jail to serve his 8 days. However, once the jail is overcrowded they will let people go based upon time left to serve. They will then consider his incarceration complete.
#2: Convert that jail time into community service hours. For every day of jail he should serve it translates into 8 hours of community service. So, he has 64 hours of community service.
Was their a fine associated with this...
that he could not pay?
Adam Jude has an article up which includes a letter written by James that was included in the court documents.
Even if it is ghostwritten,
if you looked up ‘contrite’ in the dictionary, this letter would be there. Nice job LMJ.
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 12, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
It makes me wonder if The Gentlemen helped his younger backfield buddy.
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I wonder if Blount gave him writing tips.
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This was important as well….
"From very early on, he was willing to accept responsibility," Gardner said. "For us … it is very significant when someone is compliant and says, ‘I screwed up.’"
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
So, what I want to know is this:
If a crazy ex-girlfriend comes over to my place and refuses to leave, what is the proper course of action for me? I’m talking things like blocking my way, possibly trying to attack me physically. There has to be some sort of “This is how you should react to that, and if you do, you won’t get hit with anything severe legally.”
I’m not saying that this is or isn’t what happened to LMJ. I just want to know what, according to the law, is the ‘right’ way for a guy to react in that situation. Because that’s what confuses me about this.
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I know it’s a tough call, but I’m thinking the only proper course of action, once you’ve exhausted the verbal, diplomatic approach, is to call the police and have her escorted off the premises. I know that seems way out of proportion, but when NOT doing that leads to this mess, it doesn’t seem quite so bad an option.
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From everything I’ve ever seen, calling the cops when the woman is attacking you is an excellent way to get arrested.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
What other choice do you have? If you respond with force, she’ll call the cops and you’ll get arrested, tried, and probably convicted of something, and you’ll deserve it. If you take the proper course of action and call the cops on a woman who’s attacking you, there’s a chance the justice system may work properly and you’ll walk away without a problem.
Cops (and the DA’s office) have a tough job, and most of them do try to get it right. You have to place a certain amount of trust in that.
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“If you take the proper course of action, there’s a chance the justice system may work properly” isn’t good. Me almost being forced off campus by restraining orders, followed by, very likely, something like “We worked out a plea deal where you only plead guilty to harassment, but because of the other charges being dropped, you’ll get sentencing at the upper end, something like 10 days in jail.” is not the way that that situation should resolve.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
When I say “chance” I mean a good chance. Do the right thing and trust that the cops and the DA will get it right. They will a significant majority of the time.
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trust that the cops
I think, for many of us, that’s a big thing to try and do.
I don’t trust cops. Even ones that I’ve known for years, and consider friends. In a domestic dispute, I know that I’ll be the one arrested, even if I called the cops and did absolutely nothing wrong.
Why? Because that’s how society treats men in domestic disputes.
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Because we have a shitty history
Of beating the crap out of women as a gender. We own it.
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just because we have a shitty history doesn’t mean it’s right or that we should tolerate it.
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I don’t think that the law should treat all immigrants poorly for things some immigrants did. I don’t think the law should treat all blacks poorly for things some blacks did.
Anyone who says the law should treat all men poorly for things some men did is doing exactly the same thing.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Screw that. It’s not my responsibility to pay for another person’s crime simply because we share same type of reproductive organs.
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Maybe it comes from having worked with a legislator
Who headed up changes to increase some of these laws in OR but I disagree. Putting someone in jail for one night does not do much harm in these cases.
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I don’t have a big beef with the law. My original point was that calling the cops in that situation does not have a positive outcome for me as I’ll end up being put in a cell overnight. So why would I call the cops?
My secondary point is that the legal system is not fair, balanced, or blind, and it sucks for people that are on the short end of the stick.
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IMO, you’re judging cops the same way you accuse them of judging you. The only difference is that they have law on their side which was set down by legislators above them. You just have your own opinion, largely influenced by anecdotal and extreme, media-driven evidence.
Most cops I know, and even the ones I don’t who I’ve happened to encounter, have been good men and treated me fairly. Now, I’m a white, middle class male, so that’s easy for me to say. But I imagine most of us here are the same, and I think the disparaging of cops is out of line.
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The cops are essentially ordered to pre-judge you in that situation. Applying a few anecdotal situations to domestic violence is foolhardy. This is simply how the law is written. There are reasons for that, but calling the cops in a domestic disturbance is the last thing in the world you should do if you want to preserve your freedom.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
As explained later in this thread, the majority of domestic violence cases result in something, so you don’t matter. Legislators deal with lots of people, i.e. statistics. So only the statistics matter.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
“Preserve your freedom”? Where do you think we are, communist China? If doing the right thing in a domestic disturbance means I have to spend one night in jail so two other women don’t get abused by a man who WASN’T taken to jail, so be it. I’ll make that trade every single day and twice on Sundays.
Aside from that, blame the law, not the police.
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How about this?
Have the woman spend a night in jail. Then she’s where she’ll be safe from him. And there’s no incentive to wildly accuse a guy who didn’t do anything, just because you want to harm him.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Then you’ll have men abusing the law just as women do. There’s a certain point where you HAVE to go with statistics. The statistics show, quite clearly, that men are the more forceful, and more dangerous, aggressors in these situations. So if it’s just a choice between one and the other, you go with the one that’s more likely.
It’s not going to be fair all the time, but it is going to be fair most of the time.
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I pretty much agree with this,
But my main question, if you were in a situation where you were the victim, why in the world would you call the police if you will not be treated that way simply due to your gender?
Again, this isn’t the fault of the police, this is just the way it is.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Sorry. I meant “If a woman calls to report domestic violence, hold her in jail for safety.” If the guy calls to report it, put him in jail for safety.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I see. Well, that’s an interesting thought, although you’ll never get people to be on board with that because people feel very attached to their right to not be in jail, even if being in jail is the best solution.
Like I said below, sorry if I’m got heated, didn’t meant to put words in your mouths.
And in answer to jtlight – I have more freedom than 95% of the world will ever experience. I could just as easily have been born in China, or India, or somewhere else that doesn’t have nearly the equitable justice system we have here. Are the US’s laws perfect? No. But they can’t be. It just won’t happen. I agree with the theory behind this law, even if the enforcement of it can cause one night’s worth of injustice. And avoiding further trouble and letting the rest of the legal system do its work is more important to me than having to spend one night of my extremely free life in jail.
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people feel very attached to their right to not be in jail,
So give them the right to not be in jail. If the point of them being in jail is solely their own safety, why not.
Besides which, why is her right to not be in jail more important than mine?
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
It’s not, but again, if me having my rights infringed upon for a night or two of jail keeps two other women from being abused by men who didn’t have to go to jail, then I’m willing to make that trade. Yes, a middle ground would be preferable. But I’m thinking that for whatever reason, the legislators couldn’t come up with a middle ground that was feasible. I’m comfortable with that.
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Well, it’s my right, and I’m not pleased that other people decided that my rights are theirs to give up as they see fit.
I trust the cops to be able to make judgement calls as to whether or not arresting the guy is appropriate in any given situation. Do you not?
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, I do. Again, as I mentioned above, some sort of middle ground would be preferable. So far, though, this hasn’t exactly been a slippery slope where more and more freedoms are being taken away because of the actions of several knuckleheads. So I’m comfortable with the law as it is, but I would support an attempt to improve it in any way.
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I guess it's not just the night in jail that would bother me
Usually there’s a messy legal process that is costly that follows in which you have to clear your name. I do agree, however, that the intent of the law is right and that there should be some protection. Because for every one case of “he didn’t do it”, there’s probably 10 that he actually did.
by Brian Floyd on Mar 12, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
This too. I’d rather not have to wear an ankle bracelet keeping me 2 miles from campus, based upon allegations.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not calling it a slippery slope. I’m saying that the law is unnecessarily biased, and that just because some men are willing to give up the right to freedom for a night or two instead of insisting on a fairer middle ground does not mean that the law should take that right away from me.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
I think legislators are justifiably worried that a fairer middle ground will lead back to the same problem as before – multiple abuses occurring because an arrest wasn’t made. It might be worth it to try and see what happens. But if “seeing what happens” leads to even one woman being abused more than could have been prevented, it will have failed, in my opinion. Like I said, I’ll go to jail for a night every time to prevent that.
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I disagree that even one woman being abused more than could have been prevented is worth any amount of cost to men. I’m a person too, despite what the law says.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Then I guess we’ll agree to disagree. I don’t think me spending a night in jail even approaches the cost of a woman being physically harmed. Maybe I’m crazy.
And it’s ridiculous that you think the law doesn’t treat you as a person. This is one law of thousands where in order to protect people, men aren’t given the benefit of the doubt.
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I’m a person too, despite what the law says.
- AllSaintsDay
Then I guess we’ll agree to disagree.
- Gorbachav5
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I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or trying to make me a bad guy because you (and most others) disagree with me.
I don’t think the law says he’s not a person. I think the law restricts his rights in this one circumstance to prevent as much harm as possible. I understand why people wouldn’t like the law, I just don’t think it’s as bad as others do.
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My money’s on sarcasm.
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I think Shu's post is a joke
I agree with you philosophically, I’m just not sure it works that way in reality.
What sucks is that this could all be avoided if idiots wouldn’t beat on women.
--Dave
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by David Piper on Mar 12, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed and rec'd
It’s tough to pick out sarcasm when you’re the lone ranger for a particular side of an issue.
Again, I apologize for going overboard with comments earlier. It’s not my intent to pick fights, which I think you guys know. I’m just a passionate dude.
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Yeah. But lots could also be avoided if idiots wouldn’t embezzle, or murder, or burgle (See Embry, J and Masoli, J), or dogfight/cockfight/&c, or drive drunk, buy and sell human beings. Such is crime.
And honestly, lots could also be avoided if women didn’t abuse the fact that men aren’t okay with hitting a woman. I’m of the opinion that just because a 200+ pound football player is more reluctant to hit a weak 110-pound woman than to hit a weak 110-pound man does not mean she’s more entitled to refuse to allow him entry into his own apartment.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with you about this
as I said, while I agree with Gorby’s sentiments philosophically, it doesn’t work in reality.
--Dave
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Is it cool if we just go back to picking on Canzano and lamenting the fact that our star QB is an idiot?
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NO! I want you to have me back on your show and to apologize to me when this whole thing is over!
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You’re welcome on my show any time. But I have a strict “no apologies” stipulation.
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I find it sort of like saying “Nothing is worth the cost of a human life.” If that was true, we wouldn’t, for example, ever drive. We do it because the cost of death, though great, is not infinite as compared to other things.
I certainly think that one innocent guy spending one night in jail is not as bad as one woman being badly abused. (And “badly” is important. I’m not so sure being grabbed by the collar and shoved against a car after standing in front of someone’s own apartment and refusing to let them in, and pulling on their necklace when they try to physically move you, is as bad as spending a night in jail despite being innocent.)
But at some point, lots of unwarranted nights in jail outweigh one case of abuse.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
I understand what you’re saying, but I think your comparison is a bit stretched. 99.9% of the time, driving does not lead to death. Driving can be done safely and responsibly. It’s hard to argue that domestic disputes involving violence can be done safely and responsibly.
But at some point, lots of unwarranted nights in jail outweigh one case of abuse.
My argument is that the whole reason for this law is because that has never been the case. Legislators realized that lots of unwarranted nights in jail were preventing lots and lots and lots of cases of abuse. The sacrifice is well worth it, in my opinion. I would absolutely support a feasibly, middle ground alternative that they came up with. But I’m not going to campaign against a law that protects a lot of people.
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But I’m not going to campaign against a law that protects a lot of people.
I feel like you’re taking an “if you’re not with us, you’re against us” stand with this. I think that to say “Well, this achieves its aims, so I’m not going to bother wanting to achieve those same aims with less unfairness to those who happen to share certain characteristics with guilty parties.” is to slack off on some sort of philosophical “moral imperative” or something.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
I would absolutely support a feasibly, middle ground alternative that they came up with.
I said this in my statement above. It has a spelling error, which I should have noted, but other than that, I’m not sure how you can say I’m taking the “with us or against us” approach. If it’s your passion that this law is unjust, then by all means, start a campaign against it and work to effect change. I do not begrudge you that position.
My feeling is that the law as it stands accomplishes what I want it to accomplish – less women being abused – and at what I feel is an acceptable cost. If something better was studied, analyzed, and ultimately proposed as law, I would vote for it (or vote for legislators who promoted it). But I’m just not passionate about that cause. Is that wrong?
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I guess I feel that there’s way too much. Note that LMJ did was
(a) attempt to force his way into his own apartment, in which a frightened woman was trapped by the second woman
(b) force her against the car after she broke his necklace
© tackle her after she had stolen his keys.
While those aren’t good actions, none of them, by any stretch of rationality, necessitated keeping a student 2 miles away from school. Either she told anything near the truth, in which case the law should have had that restriction removed quickly, or she lied to the point that she should be tried for perjury.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
Shortened: “My key point is that there’s a metric buttload of overboard reaction, even if you don’t agree with me that arresting the guy in just about every domestic dispute is overboard.”
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
As I said below, I never blamed the police. I’m blaming the law. Police have to enforce the law.
And if I was that situation, I would never call the police, because they would then be FORCED to enforce that law against me, which in some circumstances would be unfair.
If you want to call the police, that’s your choice. I personally would never do that in a domestic disturbance situation because of how the LAW that the police MUST enforce is written.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
That’s fine, sorry if I projected that on you. It seemed too many people were conflating the two things, and I wanted to make my position on that clear.
I would still call the police because that’s the process that our judicial system has set forth. Could it result in unfair treatment toward me? Sure, but this way I ensure that nobody else gets hurt and that due process will be taken. If I DON’T call the police in that circumstance, there is far greater danger of either the woman or myself becoming more violent and serious consequences arising.
Anyway, that’s my take.
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IMO, you’re judging cops the same way you accuse them of judging you. The only difference is that they have law on their side which was set down by legislators above them. You just have your own opinion, largely influenced by anecdotal and extreme, media-driven evidence.
Most cops I know, and even the ones I don’t who I’ve happened to encounter, have been good men and treated me fairly. Now, I’m a white, middle class male, so that’s easy for me to say. But I imagine most of us here are the same, and I think the disparaging of cops is out of line.
I do judge cops very quickly. I would like to go my entire life without dealing with them. Why? Because they are trained and educated in areas that I’m not, and they can use that knowledge against me and there isn’t much I can do about it. When I’m driving, and I see a cop behind me, I get paranoid, and I try to (legally) get away from him. Why? Because I am not comfortable when I feel like I have to do every single thing perfect or else I’m going to get a ticket or arrested.
I’m willing go bet that the majority of cops are good people. That most of them won’t write me a ticket because I don’t have my front license plate on. Most of the ones I’ve met are good quality people. But there are some bad cops too. Cops that are enforcing the law for all the wrong reasons (My old roommate is one of these people). I would rather not risk my future on hoping that I deal with a “good” cop.
Don’t misunderstand me. I respect people, and I respect police officers. But respect and trust are not hand-in-hand. I know cops have one of the most difficult jobs in the country. But when it comes to my life, or my family’s life, that isn’t a good excuse for them going on power trip.
If it helps, I don’t like judges, legislatures, most lawyers, or most bureaucrats either.
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Most people like to assume cops can be trusted.
But it doesn’t always work out that way.
In college, my house had a pretty serious issue with the EPD. They came to shut down a party (we found out later there wasn’t even a noise complaint about us – they decided to stop by on their way to a house that had actually had a complaint filed).
Basically, after a while the police entered and smashed up the place, destroyed over a dozen locked doors (people offered keys), most with clear boot prints. Afterwards, when there was some media coverage, they trotted out the very same cop who did the smashing who said, on TV, “no we didn’t.” We had the smashed house, photos, a news crew let in to see the damage, and the best we could get from media stories was a “there is some dispute” and “some people claim,” and then siding with the bald-faced-lying police.
They will lie, cheat, steal, and the more they have stepped over the line, the more they will throw the book at you to justify their oversteps. And it’s the kind of thing no-one ever believes until it happens to them. Are most cops unbelievable dicks? No. Do a lot of cops do a job that is often hard and dangerous? Yes. But there are definitely a bunch of roided-up control freaks out there who like nothing better than use their badge to beat someone down, and when they go overboard you are the one who pays for it.
Sorry if this was OT for the Domestic Abuse issue.
Also, Fuck UO Ultimate.
what's your beef with UO Ultimate?
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by David Piper on Mar 12, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
They hosted the party.
It was at one of the large frat-house sized student co-ops. They were using our large common rooms downstairs. We were worried about it, but they assured us they would take every precaution, tight security, keep things under control, since if anything happened and word got out that they were sponsoring a tournament party their group would be kicked off campus. They then proceeded to…
1) Rent Kegs, and register to a different address (a crime that allowed the cops to get a warrant and entered).
2) Throw the doors wide open and let anyone in off the street, including high schoolers.
3) Smash furniture.
4) Flee the scene, including sneaking the kegs out the back door. This is what the cops tore the place apart searching for.
5) Move on to another house and keep the party going all night, while everyone who lived in the house and hadn’t been involved in their party, as well as any friends or acquaintances who were over in other parts of the house, were detained and charged with MIP or Providing to Minors for a grand total of $14,000 in fines.
6) Clam up afterwards, consult their lawyer relatives, go it alone, and never contributing a dime back to the house after agreeing to pay for any damages or legal fees.
The house would have spoken out more about publicly, but couldn’t complicate our own efforts to get our legal charges settled by making claims about what did/didn’t happen. So they skated by the UO investigation, stonewalled, and got to keep their team (until the pantslessness. A rediculous reason to end a season on its own, but they richly deserved it for stuff they had already done). And, once again, after it was all settled they didn’t contribute a dime for all the trouble they caused. In sum: college kids = naive idiots, cops = occasional lying douchebags, UO Ultimate = irresponsible underhanded cowardly sneaky reckless untrustworthy lying douchbags.
thats too bad
I was just curious. My brother-in-law played for UO ultimate, but it was five or six years ago.
--Dave
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by David Piper on Mar 12, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
No, it doesn’t ALWAYS work out that way. But again, you’re using one bad experience to paint a wide brush stroke over the whole profession. Why do you think there are so many TV shows/movies based on law enforcement? It’s a highly complicated, sometimes violent, rarely black-and-white profession. Please do not read this as excusing the activity you’re referring to – I’m not. But I am asking people not to make the same dumb stereotypes of cops that you accuse them of making about college students.
What amazes me here is that James, in his own letter, admits that he handled it poorly. He admits that he was wrong. The legal system got it completely right in this case. So why don’t we give credit where credit is due?
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Cops are like Indian food.
One bad experience, and your whole opinion of it is tainted.
The legal system got it completely right in this case. So why don’t we give credit where credit is due?
It’s still subjective. He might have fought the charges if he didn’t risk losing his whole future over fighting it. Personally, I don’t have a problem with how it shook out though.
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People build stereotypes often on their collected personal experience.
I’ve never (thankfully) had any interaction with police officers conducting a homicide, sexual abuse, or meth lab investigation. I am sure these police do their jobs with the utmost dedication, professionalism, and commitment to justice. I very much respect and admire what they do here, and respect the absolute necessity for them to do it.
I have interacted with Party Patrol, DPS, and night-time patrol officers, and those interactions were rarely positive. “I smell pot” is their code for “you haven’t done anything, but I’m going to search you and dick with you anyway.” I think what it often boils down to is that a lot of cops get into the profession for very admirable reasons, but there are more than a few who seem to get into it for the wrong ones.
I would agree with this. And unfortunately, with the way media works today, it’s the negative about police officers that gets emphasized more often than not. And with college students, who are naturally predisposed to question authority (for good or ill), any police interaction is viewed with suspicion and distrust, even if there are perfectly good reasons for it.
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Wait until a couple of cops shoot and kill your friend.
While he was naked, unarmed, and covered in second and third degree burns sustained when a gas can ignited in his car which then smashed into several other cars.
It was thought that the "Hanger" beat all shots. Then, the "Balancer" was discovered.
It does happen sometimes
Like the whole tazer debacle with the EPD, policemen do abuse their rights and power sometimes.
Innocent until proven guilty.
DON'T TASE ME BRO!
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 12, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
The cops are getting called either way, right?
The only catch is Catch-22
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 12, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
I think its bad taste....
to go after the girl in this story. Fandom is one thing, but its never ok to disparage the victim. It’s consistently one of the most disgusting things done in domestic situations.
And yes I’m a Cal fan, but it has nothing to do with my opinion.
ASD's point may not conform to your idea of taste,
but really, it’s a valid question.
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 12, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Put another way,
completely absolving the girl of any wrongdoing in a dispute between two parties is a good way to fuel ongoing gender inequality.
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 12, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
His point....
has what basis in any available fact? James’ letter appears sincere and I respect that. Fans seem to be running away with their own version of the story and its morphing into something thats a little disturbing. That’s all I’m saying.
What do you mean, “go after the girl?” Unfortunately, domestic situations are some of the most ugly you will encounter. Not only because of the nature of the allegations, but of the way that our laws our written.
I don’t think that anyone should “go after” the girl, but it’s highly doubtful she’s completely blameless as well. If any Duck fans want to absolve LMJ of all blame, they are insane. He has contradicted it with his own words.
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And we absolutley should not do that
He f-ed up up big time and he got lucky in this case.
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I wasn’t trying to disparage the victim. I honestly want to know. I have been over at a girlfriend’s house, and gotten in a shouting match, resulting in her blocking the door and refusing to let me leave. What should I have done? Calling the cops results in me getting arrested. Attempting to force her out of the way means I am actually committing domestic violence. Does the law (as enforced) really allow her to take me prisoner like that?
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
Why would calling the cops get you arrested? You have done nothing wrong. You’re drawing cynical, false conclusions. Is there a chance you’ll get arrested? Yes, but there’s that chance in any crime scene (i.e. the chance that a victim/bystander is unjustly arrested).
Like I said, you have to trust the justice system. The law is biased toward women for a reason, whether you agree with that reason or not. That bias does lead to injustice. But it’s not like it happens every time.
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But it is excellent public policy
There has been FAR far far too many cases where had the man been taken into custody more abuse could have been prevented.
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I still say that’s McCarthyist logic. The cost to America of letting a traitor go free is too high, so to be safe, we should just take the precaution of confining everyone accused of communisam.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
It may be
But in this limited case, I’m okay with it. Putting someone in jail over night accused of domestic violence is probably not a bad thing in almost any case.
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You’re that quick to put someone in jail overnight? Wow.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
For domestic abuse, yes
Most domestic abuse allegations turn out to have at least something behind them.
I’m a liberal so its not that, I’m all for criminal’s rights but I know the history and stats on domestic abuse.
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I’d also like to point out that referring to this as “criminals’ rights” is a small form of bias. (I’m not saying by you, just by whoever it was that labelled things like this “criminals’ rights”)
I’m talking about innocent people’s rights.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
remember.
an arrest has to be made 100% of the time in a domestic violence call.
Innocent until proven guilty.
thats just an Oregon (and a few other states) law right? i swear from watching “Cops” in my younger days, they just made someone stay at a hotel or something for the night…yes i just made an argument and cited “Cops”.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
You need to take my class about citing unamed sources dude.
Anyway, I don’t have time to look it up since I have to be at the Rose Garden in an hr, but I think its less than 20 states with that law.
Innocent until proven guilty.
so its gonna be Westview vs Jesuit right? who ya got?
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funny.
Lady Axe @ 1:30 vs. Jesuit
Axemen @ 8:30 vs. whoever won the Oregon City/Westview game last night.
Innocent until proven guilty.
i’m an OC fan but Westview blew them out…
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I do know that I’ve seen that Oregon was the first to implement it. Which means that at the very least, the one that LMJ had and the one that would apply to me did not get implemented because we’ve seen it work in other states.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, that’s the reason. The unfortunate biproduct of that is innocent or mostly innocent men get unfair punishments for domestic abuse. That does suck, and I’m not trying to downplay that. But you can’t paint this situation with such broad strokes. If you do the right (legal) thing, there is a very good chance you will be treated fairly.
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Mandatory Arrest
Has been the policy in Oregon for more than 20 years. It came about after decades of study and testimony at the State and Federal level that revealed, conclusively, that it was the only effective way to prevent further serious abuse and death in many cases.
Among the testimony I recall reading back then was the statement of a battered woman who testified before Congress that, when the police came at the request of neighbors to investigate reports of a fight at her house (for the 5th or 6th time) and saw that she was bruised and bleeding, the officer told her (consistent with the policy as the time) that they could not arrest her husband because it was his house and he could do what he wanted. This was the prevailing mindset of law enforcement and DA’s up through the early to mid 1980’s when these policies were being reviewed.
At the time, it was determined that the best course of action was to make arrest mandatory, in order to break this cycle of violence and educate law enforcement, as well as abusive husbands, that domestic violence was VIOLENCE, and that an assault of a man’s wife was as serious as an assault on a stranger. Over the past 20-25 years, conventional wisdom about domestic violence has changed, but the mandatory arrest policies have not.
It may be legitimate to questions whether mandatory arrest still makes since, or whether, as a matter of public policy, we should give back some level of discretion to our professional law enforcement officers to determine whether arrest is appropriate in a given situation. We are not the same society that we were 25-30 years ago, and public policy must constently adjust to remain relevant to the needs of the day.
by Doc411 on Mar 12, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Again, to me, this feels like “In most cases where whites call the police to report being assaulted by blacks, the calls are legitimate. So arrest the accused in all cases.”
they could not arrest her husband because it was his house and he could do what he wanted.
There’s a middle ground between “The police in this situation are not allowed to arrest him.” and “The police in this situation are required to arrest him.” Anyone who does not hear this testimony and immediately think “Well, we need to change this law so that they’re allowed to arrest him.” and instead goes all the way to “We should make sure that we force the police to arrest him.” has no business graduating high school, much less making laws.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Let me Clarify
The law back then did not prohibit an arrest. The officers and district attorneys simply chose to look the other way, because Conventional Wisdom, at the time was that domestic violence wasn’t really “violence” and therefore it was acceptable. Mandatory Arrest laws and policies were put into effect to eliminate this attitude.
Sorry, but this is simply not true in domestic disturbance cases. The laws are written that way that if there is a “claim” of anything, the man will be arrested. It doesn’t matter if you did everything right. All it takes is one word.
Calling the cops would be the last thing I would do in ASD’s hypothetical situation. They will not be coming to protect my rights.
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I'd agree with this. The poice, restricted by law, basically have to take someone to jail in these circumstances. They have to cover their asses.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Mar 12, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Someone has to be arrested when the cops are called in these situations
And the cops have to determine an aggressor. You’re a man, more often then not you’re the aggressor.
by Brian Floyd on Mar 12, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Unless you play football at WSU.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Mar 12, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Meh, one of our football players have a similar thing happen
Dismissed because it was later determined he wasn’t the aggressor….wait a minute
by Brian Floyd on Mar 12, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
You’re upset with the law, not with police officers. If you don’t like the law, then contact the appropriate state legislator. But don’t lay this on the feet of police officers who are there to protect your rights. As well as the rights of your spouse/significant other.
Seriously, the cop-bashing in here is making me sick. They do a ridiculously hard job, and most of them do it well. Don’t move your distaste for a law you find unconstitutional to police officers.
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I, at least, am not trying to lay any particular blame on someone. I say that the system is bullshit. Maybe the laws the cops are told to enforce are bullshit. Maybe the laws are fine and the cops’ enforcement is bullshit. I don’t know exactly where it is, but somewhere between point A and point B, the law is treating me like a second class citizen. And it’s bullshit.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
I think it's more the law
It does come down to a judgment call as to who to arrest in the end, but with the law the way it is, someone has to go to jail, there will have to be charges, and there will also have to be a no contact order.
by Brian Floyd on Mar 12, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Dude, this isn’t about the police at all. I didn’t say anything about police officers at all. Let me spell this out for you:
Police have to follow the law.
The law will not protect my rights in some situations.
Police will not protect my rights in certain circumstances.
The #1 duty of the police is to enforce the law. It’s not to be your friend, it’s not to do anything else. It is to enforce the LAW. If that’s what they’re doing, why would I call them?
I’ll be the first to admit that police have an incredibly hard job. But I’m not bashing police officers. So don’t lay that on me.
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As said above, sorry to put words in your mouth. That wasn’t my intent.
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But I'll bash 'em
Eugene cops hate UO students. They loooove busting them. And if it’s a prominent UO student, like the star running back, all the better.
isnt that how most cops are in most college towns? if i had to put up w/ the same sophomoric behavior every weekend, i might get quite annoyed.
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Yeah. But it’s part of your job to enforce the law fairly, without stereotyping “the college kids” (or any other group) and treating some of them poorly because of what others do.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
agreed. most of them do it well even though there’s always a couple bad apples that ruin it for everyone else…hmm…sounds like our football team…
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Sounds like, well, most groups anywhere with bad reputations.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
In Layman's terms
the cops generally arrest someone when they’ve done something illegal. Moving on?
Innocent until proven guilty.
Wait until you go to college
Cops have no problem arresting you if they don’t like the way you look, or if they think you’re being mouthy, or they just feel like busting some college ass.
being arrested doesn’t mean you are guilty of a crime.
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This is gross generalization. I went to school in Eugene for four years and didn’t encounter what you’re referring to.
Are there bad police officers? Yes, just like in every profession. And those officers should be held to a higher standard than they currently are.
I’ll ask you, did you break the law while living in Eugene? If you are completely above reproach and still were unfairly treated, you have a legitimate beef. But if you were caught breaking the law, that’s your fault, not the police officer’s.
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I’ll just give you the most egregious example. Big house party, just off campus, Cinco de Mayo. All of a sudden, people start smelling something funny. As throats and eyes started burning, everybody realized that the EPD had launched tear gas without warning. Outside they were all ready and rarin’ to go in riot gear. No warnings, no attempts to talk to the house owner, just the gas.
Then there was the time I was arrested for a noise complaint, when it was later discovered there was no noise complaint. Just some EPD looking to, as I have said before, bust some college ass.
That doesn’t speak for the whole EPD, that speaks for a few cops trying to be hard-asses, dicks, etc.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 12, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
There’s hardly anyway to differentiate though.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"
I know cops that are nice guys/ladies and only intercede when necessary, and I know cops that are a-holes that do their best to get on you for anything.
That doesn’t make me disrespect the KPD as a whole.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 12, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Lol. Knoxville PD.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 12, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
That speaks to cops’ tendency, with very legitimate reasons, to expect and prepare for the worst. If they don’t, more people get hurt. I will agree that they often go further than “an ounce of prevention” in trying to prevent a pound of cure, but they can’t assume things are going to play out smoothly.
Like I said, I’m not excusing any bad cop behavior. It happens, and, in my opinion, doesn’t get punished severely enough when it does happen, mainly because officers protect their own. I just want to caution against distrust and vilifying the profession as a whole.
I can give an example of being parked next to a park with a ladyfriend as a college student well past curfew. A police officer pulled up to us, asked me to roll down the window, and calmy asked to move along, as he didn’t want to see us accosted by any unsavory character who hung around that park. He could have busted us for curfew violation, he could have made a big scene about checking for alcohol and/or drugs, but he didn’t. He treated us respectfully and asked us to move along for our own safety.
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I don't think that anyone is cop-bashing
Nobody is saying that all police are bad people and are trying to stick it to you.
This doesn’t lay at the feet of the police. The police have their hands tied by a questionable law. The way the law is written, it is most likely the man who will be affected. If you’ve done nothing wrong, probably best to avoid a situation where the law will be applied to you. I think that’s all most people are saying.
--Dave
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by David Piper on Mar 12, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
And also, some people are saying (I haven’t, though I agree) that the fact that most cops are good people does not validate acting as though all cops are good people. The watchmen, do, in fact, need watching.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
The appropriate response is to dump her
and get as far away from her as you can before it ever gets to the point where she is barring the door. There are warning signs before the relationship ever gets that far. Run away, as fast as you can.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
If the incident is caused by you having another woman at your place, then there might not be as many warning signs before.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Now that I have read the report
Yes, that was foolish, but if he asked her to leave and she didn’t that’s trespassing. He should have just gone inside and told her they could talk about it later.
My original post was in response to this:
I have been over at a girlfriend’s house, and gotten in a shouting match, resulting in her blocking the door and refusing to let me leave.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
He didn’t have the opportunity to go inside and avoid a physical confrontation. She was blocking the way and refused to move. He either had to physically move her, or leave the other, woman alone and frightened inside his apartment.
And, well, yeah. Now I know how to read the signs. :-\
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Sentencing memo (PDF)
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So, we get the truth of the situation, that is good to know.
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Just the Facts
ASD – Thanks for the post. Now that the actual FACTS are out, do you suppose we can expect as sincere and contrite an apology from Canzano as the one given by LMJ? It’s likely that Kelly knew all of these facts from the very beginning, but respected the legal process enough to keep his trap shut until things could play out.
To all the Speculators: If you haven’t read the sentencing memo yet…Shut the F*CK up until you have the facts. Then, if you have something intelligent to say, we’re all ears.
what a strange story. i’ve had friends get arrested for theft for snatching keys before. i’m sure he could’ve pressed charges against her as well. oh well. hopefully everyone can move past this now. 1 down…1 to go…does CK’s presser have a time yet? he loves these friday afternoon Q and A’s…
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
My guess?
Accuse as much as possible. That way, when you plea bargain down, you’re still doing him some decent harm.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Strangulation comes from when he put his hand on her collar.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"
Does this mean that he never grabbed her neck, just her shirt?
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
§ 163.187¹
Strangulation
(1) A person commits the crime of strangulation if the person knowingly impedes the normal breathing or circulation of the blood of another person by:
(a) Applying pressure on the throat or neck of the other person; or
(b) Blocking the nose or mouth of the other person.
(2) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to legitimate medical or dental procedures or good faith practices of a religious belief.
(3) Strangulation is a Class A misdemeanor. [2003 c.577 §2]
I would guess someone could make a case that by grabbing the collar, you could constrict the fabric which in turn could apply pressure to the throat. Minor? Maybe, but in legalism, a lawyer could make a convincing argument.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"
so basically he told her that he wanted her to pay for his chain or else he was gonna call the cops, she told him to take a hike and called the cops herself? in other news, LMJ needs a lot of work on his signature.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
After reading that...
It seemed like a mutual scuffle… an arrest and even 2 days in jail seems like a very excessive punishment. But what do I know.
by MurphyLPiddleton on Mar 12, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
I hope LMJ is serious about making this his only such incident
Not cool man, not cool.
Learn from this.
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The Oregon court dates
Caused the Twitter fail whale to come out!
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Clownzano Tweets
Just spoke with Chip Kelly… he will wait to hear what happens with Jeremiah Masoli at 1:30 and then make a statement.
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what a scoop. that’s one helluva story.
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I bet his cherished "Sources within the football program"
Will contradict Kelly’s statement.
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He tried to snag a scoop
Kelly told him to fuck off
by Brian Floyd on Mar 12, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The voices in Canzano's head tell him what to write
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thanks for the translation
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
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My Canzano translator is in good working condition today
I have a feeling you’re all gonna need it
by Brian Floyd on Mar 12, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
its funny that he re-published an old article about Oregon State the other day. not sure what his point was besides he’d already written an article and he had the ability to change Oregon State to Oregon on his computer…
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
All mine is doing is playing some hysterical sobbing, occasionally interspersed with “Why didn’t they believe in me? I was journalist of the year?”
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 12, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
OT but Evan Turner just nailed a half-court shot pretty much to beat Michigan
69-68 Ohio State.
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i dont understand. i thought everyone’s season ended yesterday….
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The cool people ended their season yesterday
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Steve Lavin
Does he use MORE hair gel now? He looks more sleezey than he did coaching at UCLA.
What a shot by Turner too, player of the year no doubt (and that’s coming from a crying Michigan fan right now)
yesterday Lavin gave some Oregon love out during the Northwestern game. Some kid looked like he needed a haircut and he said “looks like he should be hanging out in Eugene w/ Pre or Luke Ridnour or Luke Jackson”. it was pretty funny but i’m sure no one in the midwest knew what he was talking about…
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I think that's great.
I love Steve Lavin, personally.
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I have a Ropert is God™ complex.
i was hoping Bruce Feldman would elaborate a little more but here’s a question of mine he answered in his ESPN chat:
Gabe (PDX)
most duck fans are resigned to the fact that Masoli will be gone and LMJ will get a game or two. we’re ready to move on to the Darron Thomas era. which do you think is more replaceable given the other options? if this was the SEC, is anyone even talking about it?
Bruce
(2:17 PM)
I think Jeremiah Masoli is the tougher guy to replace. He fits that offense so well.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
not true.
Darron Thomas is just as good a fit (with some experience added) as Masoli. Lamichael is necessary because without him we don’t have a lot of tackle-breakers. We have evaders, but no breakers.
Innocent until proven guilty.
i usually agree w/ B. Feldman but i think Masoli is more replaceable. might also have to do w/ rationalizing the situation and LMJ still has 2 more years…
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
We may be giving DT too much credit
Darron may earn it in the near future, but he’s going to have to take his licks and is going to have some growing pains.
Remember, Kelly himself said that DT has much more of a tendency to pull the ball down and run, while Dixon was much more of a pocket passer (for those who love to compare the two).
Also, Masoli has a very special ability to hide that ball and make great decisions on those option-read plays. That basically has guaranteed us a TD once we’re inside the 5 yard-line.
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by SouthOfTheBorderDuck on Mar 12, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Um...so....
Suspend LMJ for spring practice, maybe for the first game of the year against New Mexico, and be done with it.
People need to realize that this was a complete “he said, she said” case. As previously mentioned in the comments, an arrest has to be made in these domestic violence calls, and more often than not, the male is arrested. Some people say that it was a crazy ex that attacked him, some say that he attacked her. Who knows? No one, other than LaMichael and his “girlfriend”.
I also think that we need to give LaMichael credit for being apologetic, up-front, and honest with CK, the coaches, and the fan base. He did what a man would do: accept responsibility (even if it WAS unjustifiably), accept his punishment, and deliver an apology. What more can we ask for moving forward? He’s done all that he can do to make up for his alleged actions, now we should move forward and focus on this non-legal crap, because quite frankly, I’m SICK of it.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 12, 2010 12:08 PM PST reply actions
In news of a another quarterback in legal trouble…
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
Addicted to Quack
He really played well in that Monday Night game against the Ravens last season, other than that crucial INT in overtime (or was it late in the 4th quarter? I can’t remember.)
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 12, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Which if the Steeler D doesn't choke
He never throws because they win in regulation.
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The comparison to a young Randall Cunningham make me smile. A lot.
They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
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HAHAHA! This is great, and very true.
“I’m comfortable disregarding opinions of people who know nothing about the case.”
- District Attorney Alex Gardener
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 12, 2010 12:33 PM PST reply actions
Which article did that quote come from?
I still feel sorry for LMJ here, he was wrong, but so was she.
She got back at him. He gets punished.
Oh well, if he learns from this, I guess he can still be famous and successful and forget about it.
"No one ever rises to low expectations." - Chip Kelly Head Coach at the Univ. of Oregon.
by SouthOfTheBorderDuck on Mar 12, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
It was from Johnny Goducks's facebook status.
Apparently it was said outside of the courtroom, I’m guessing.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 12, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Based on the context
I’d assume “people who know nothing about the case” would have to refer to Canzano, no?
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
by ProbablyMonty on Mar 12, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Question
I have internet capabilites @ the rose garden…if people wanted me too, i could do a live-ish blog tonight during the boys semifinal games if people want.
Innocent until proven guilty.
Aren't you supposed to be focusing on writing for your school's paper, young man??
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 12, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly, I don’t care. Not at all.
They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
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by Takimoto on Mar 12, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I would like that, but it looks like it’s just me… so don’t worry about it.
GO DUCKS. and (shsh... rockets too)
oregonlive actually does a good job live-blogging the HS games also.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
fairly surprising actually…
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
I'm sitting next to the oregonlive blogger so be careful as to what you say ;)
Innocent until proven guilty.
Slip him some arsenic and ask him to give it to Canzano
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 12, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
You might not want to post that on an internet forum...
Did you know that playing in the SEC makes your football team inherently better than everyone else's?
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 12, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
he doesn't really care. He's blogging for oregonlive. not from the oregonian
Innocent until proven guilty.
Ah, ok.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 12, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
is this going to happen every time I post something now SeattleDucks ;)
Innocent until proven guilty.
Ew, axemen is winking at you.
I’d be…concerned now.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 12, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
it must be hard to be a Husky fan. i know we’re supposed to ignore all that is purple but this is funny due to its almost common sense approach then falling back into the purple haze:
from that other site up north:
It happens, and LMJ lost his temper. I probably would have, too. I don’t condone his actions, and while from a competitive standpoint I’d love to see his butt gone, he DOES deserve another chance in my opinion, based on the legal document.
Doesn’t change my impression of Kelly…he’ll probably lead them to another Rose Bowl, but will also lead them to probation if UO keeps him around long enough. He’s an idiot and he’s arrogant, a bad combo for any school.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
I’ll give him that Chip is pretty arrogant. And if by “an idiot” he means “delightful”, then sure.
They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
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They lost to "an idiot" at home by 24 points.
Twenty-four points! Yikes Sark, did you leave the playbook at home again?
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I have a Ropert is God™ complex.
Ted Miller in reference to the legal doc.
Coaches across the country should print out this document and read it to their teams. It would make real to a group of young men how quickly anger and frustration can lead to a physical confrontation that qualifies as a criminal offense.
Simply: If you put your hands on someone in an aggressive way, particularly a woman, you will end up talking to police. So don’t do it. Ever.
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/8588/so-what-really-happened-in-james-incident
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Miller's take was good
James was definitely in the wrong, but it seemed more not knowing how to handle a difficult and heated situation then some inherent character flaw. I have no problem whatever Chip decides to do here.
--Dave
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I honestly expect no suspension
just a lot of puke on the stairs of autzen
Innocent until proven guilty.
LaMichael's Letter:
"
I apologize to Heidi both for the incident and everything she has had to go through since it happened. I accept responsibility for my actions. I am also sorry that she has been treated by some people as though she deserved blame for this. She does not. I ask people to treat her with respect. She has not done anything wrong.
Heidi and I have been in a relationship that has meant a lot to both of us. Regardless of how things are now, I care for and respect her and ask others to do the same. During the long period we were boyfriend-girlfriend, we grew close to one another’s families. I think we all still care for each other in that way.
I hope to put this matter behind me now and learn from it. I have made a mistake and accept the consequences. I look forward to demonstrating to my University, to my team and to the community that I am a better man than recent events suggest.
Thank you,
LaMichael James
"
Couldn’t ask for anything more. Apologetic, Sincere, and it definitely seems to have been written by him.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 12, 2010 1:25 PM PST reply actions
Open Letter to John Canzano
John:
We all know that its hard to eat crow and admit that, in a moment of passion, we may have done something rash or stupid that we later regret. We also know that you are under a lot of pressure, with people second guessing your opinions and decisions regarding how you have handled this situation. I just want you to know that some of us are here to help. To that end, I’ve prepared the apology letter that you are obviously having trouble writing for yourself:
"I apologize to Coach Kelly both for my conduct during his interview on my show and for all he has had to go through since the arrest of LaMichael James. I accept responsibility for my actions of badgering him without knowing all of the facts. I am also sorry that he has been treated by some people as though he deserved blame for not bowing to my irrational demands. He does not. I ask people to treat Coach Kelly with respect. I now know that he has not done anything wrong.
"Coach Kelly and I have been in a relationship that has meant a lot to me. Regardless of how things are now, I care for and respect him and ask others to do the same. During the long year that he has been coach and I have been commentator, I have always thought I knew his job better than him. Once this has passed, I’m sure I’ll feel that way again.
"I hope to put this matter behind me and to learn from it, at least until people have forgotten what an ass I have been. I have made my mistake and accept the benefits of the fame it has brought me. I look forward to demonstrating to Beaver Nation and my editors that I am the same great man that I have always believed myself to be.
"Sincerely, Johnny C."
by Doc411 on Mar 12, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
So bc of jail overcrowding they boot LMJ, allowing a dangerous criminal back onto the streets? Let the other criminals out to make space for LMJ. He firstly assault Cal back in October and then his girlfriend more recently. He is a menace!
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From what I heard
It was fight between opposing football teams and the charges were dropped…or is there something I dont know…do you have a link???
He harassed his ex-girlfriend. He did his time for his crimes against Cal on January 1st when he had to go to the Rose Bowl. Luckily you guys haven’t had to worry about any of your players going there in a while.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"
Masoli Was a Duck-Supwitchugirl.
My idea first. Remember that.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 12, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Embry pleads guilty to 2nd-degree burglary. It will be a misdemeanor.
Schroeder’s twitter. even if Masoli gets this, he’s still done for lying to CK right?
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Masoli pleads guilty to second-degree burglary. Pleaded down to a misdemeanor. Must make restitution ..
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
means you have to pay back the victim.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
community service plus restitution. no jail time. in theory, masoli could prob stay on the team but i dont really see it…
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
man
when you compare this to LMJ, LMJ got the short end on sentencing.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
tackling a girl into barkdust > stealing random things from frat boys
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
I don't know
they were both in the wrong. James made a bad decison in a bad situation. Masoli had premeditated intent.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
i still think what Beard did is worse than either of these.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
unfortunate but necessary. i think the appropriate discipline would be having to clean all the O lineman’s houses including laundry all summer.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
No shit. LMJ got beat to hell because he was honest, forthright and wanted to move on. Masoli gets nothing because he lied and tried to cover it up. Here’s my thought, Kelly throw the book at Masoli and give LMJ a slap on the wrist
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
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Key thing is that Masoli lied to everyone about the situation
I think that’s what will eventually seal his fate with Kelly.
both pleaded the same thing.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
there are rumors that Masoli's fingerprints were on the loot
but that’s just rumors at this point
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Masoli pleads guilty to two counts of theft on account of stealing the Rose Bowl from the Beavers TWICE.
by JonathanPDX on Mar 12, 2010 1:42 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
^ What should be dropped on you
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 12, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
That was composure
The OSU defender looked like he was coming right at him
I doubt he’ll be kicked off the team since he pleaded down to a misdemeanor
by WhenDUXattacK! on Mar 12, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
its all about trust
trust is big to Chip, and Masoli violated that.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
That was an all time great pass.
40 yards downfield and right into the receivers breadbasket, while a defender was wrapped around his leg.
This off-season officially sucks for SEVEN(!!!!!!!) reasons and counting...
Should we centralize the discussion at this link? http://www.addictedtoquack.com/2010/3/12/1370312/masoli-pleads-guilty-to-second
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