Replacing Kent: Searching for the Oregon Ducks' next basketball coach
So as the University begins its arduous journey towards finding a replacement for Ernie Kent I thought I would narrow the list for everyone and give some insight into a number of the guys who's name may come up over the next couple of weeks.
Here is my criteria for the next coach of the Oregon Men's Basketball team.
First, we have a new arena to fill, the guy needs to attract names and attention. Some of the names you will see below at first may seem a little enigmatic, but if any of them have a decent tourney run this year, their notoriety can grow tremendously and could bring a whole host of good attention this program has lacked in the previous years.
Second, he needs to be able to coach. Sure, you might be saying, "that's just dumb, of course he should be able to coach." Well, what I mean is I want to see a track record of being able to take a team to the dance, not a flash in the pan. As painful as this has been to go through of whether or not to fire Ernie, I have no desire to go through this again in 3 years. I want a coach who can compete at the highest level, develop players, recruit, and do it consistently for the next 10 plus years. Which leads me to...
Third, he needs to be young. Yes, I'm discriminating here, I apologize to our resident grumpy old men, Jack Lemon (benzduck) and Walter Matthau (Bill Musgrave), but the guy needs to not be on his last leg. As painful as it is to have to fire a guy because he doesn't perform, it's ten times harder to have to wonder if age is an issue too.
Fourth, he needs to have a connection to either Oregon or the Northwest. I don't want to worry about a young coach who starts to do well then all of a sudden is looking for a place to go closer to home (by the way this will rule out most of those guys from the ACC, and Big East who some of us may have an inkling that we would really like to see come here because of Nike's money). I want the guy to want to come to Oregon and coach in the Pac 10, Oregon is NOT a stepping stone to a better job (as much as Husky fans think it is).
Lastly, I think there are a couple of other pieces that could play into the coaching situations.
- I know we all like to think that because Uncle Phil has shelled out $100MM plus for a new arena that another $1-2MM per year won't be that big a deal. Well, with Oregon operating in the red for the first time in a long time it definitely could be a situation. Do you pay Tubby Smith $4MM per year or Mark Turgeon $2MM? We'll look at the current coaches salaries and how they play into their chances at Oregon later.
- Recruiting. Oregon has 10 sophomores on their roster right now. If we bring in a new coach next year and lose a recruiting class this year, his first full year of recruiting will happen with 10 guys going into their senior year. That's a big deal. The new coach has to be able to rebuild the recruiting pipeline quickly and even with some attrition due to a coaching change, the coach is going to have to break up the classes and have a decent recruiting background.
- Coaching style. Personally, I think this will have minimal impact on who Bellotti decides to chose, but it creates a fun conversation piece. Do we want a coach who is going to have his guys run and gun and shoot quickly? Do we want a Big 10 style coach who will focus on rebounding and defense and slow the game down? Or finally, do you want a coach who's style of play is as boring as watching Gigli and drinking Shirley Temples with your sister... no offense Craig Robinson.
So, let's take a look at some of the candidates.
The Short List
Mark Few - Gonzaga
Pros: It's Mark Freakin Few. What else needs to be said? If I'm Bellotti, this is the first call I make to see if there is even interest. If Mark says yes, the search is over. I don't care if John Wooden makes a time machine and comes back to try and coach, you still hire Few.
Cons: Chances are slim and none that Few comes to Oregon. He owns Spokane. $1MM (if that is what he's really making) in Spokane goes a looooong way and he can recruit what he wants, do what he wants and stay as long as he wants and no one is going to say anything about it at Gonzaga. I know the press in Oregon isn't like the press in New York, but does Few really want the hype and pressure of trying to make Oregon into Gonzaga? I don't see it happening, but it would be great if it did.
Category Rankings:
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Name Brand |
Coaching |
Age |
Oregon Connection |
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10 |
10 |
6 |
10 |
Brad Stevens - Butler
Pros: Stevens has coached Butler for the last 3 years and has averaged 28 wins. The guy knows how to coach. Pulling a coach out of Indiana is never a bad start. He'll be able to recruit from not only the Northwest, but also the Midwest and keep a number of the pipelines that Ernie has created for the program. Plus, going from a mid major to a Pac 10 school is definitely a step up.
Cons: Oregon is not the only program that has Stevens on their short list. Also, I'd be concerned from day one that if Stevens does well, he'll move on. He's really young (33), and I'm sure at some point if Stevens is winning on a consistent basis a bigger name program can entice him away.
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Name Brand |
Coaching |
Age |
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9 |
10 |
10 |
2 |
Steve Alford - New Mexico
Pros: Alford will be available. Because of his ties to Bobby Knight and his fall out at Iowa, he definitely has the name brand that could fill a new arena for a couple of years. Alford also is a good coach. He's taken two (and soon to be three) schools to the NCAA tourney.
Cons: Hasn't really proven the ability to be consistent on a big time stage. Sure Iowa isn't Kentucky or Indiana or Duke, but it's a lot closer to Oregon than New Mexico. I'm not 100% sold on Alford's ability to take a big school's program to the elite level and even though he might sell tickets, do we really want to settle for a name in a suit?
Category Rankings:
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Name Brand |
Coaching |
Age |
Oregon Connection |
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10 |
9 |
8 |
6 |
Eric Spoelstra - Miami Heat
Pros: Hear me out on this, I know what you are thinking, "no way in hell an NBA coach comes to Oregon." Really? Is it that farfetched that a guy who grew up in Oregon, who's parents still live here and who is now living on the East Coast would have a desire to return home and be a hero? Spoelstra is the only guy I would take over Mark Few. He's a hell of a coach, has a name brand that would sell out Matt Court for the next decade to come, he's young (just turned 39) and has the Northwest connection to stay and turn Oregon into a national powerhouse of a program. Think Carroll going to USC. Think about Spoelstra walking into recruit's living rooms talking about how he made Dwayne Wade's shot better. Also, think about if Wade decides to jump ship this year and play elsewhere about the fact that Spoelstra will be leading a team with their best player being head case Michael Beasley. Is it really that farfetched now? Lastly, think about how Kenny Payne has a connection with Spoelstra's agent and supposedly Payne is the only guy staying from the Duck's coaching staff.
Cons: This will take money, and lots of it.
Category Rankings:
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Name Brand |
Coaching |
Age |
Oregon Connection |
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10 |
10 |
9 |
9 |
Not Top Shelf
Mark Turgeon - Texas A&M
Pros: Heck of a coach who has taken Texas A&M to the NCAA in all three seasons that he has coached there. Also, don't underestimate the attractiveness of coming back to coach at a school you have some history with. Turgeon was an assistant for five years at Oregon. Also, with his connections in Texas and Kansas, recruiting could take a nice up tick for Oregon if he decided to come.
Cons: He's already at a big name school. He's originally from the Midwest so prying him away is not going to be easy and for the money you may have to spend, does it make sense to spend it on him? He really is sort of a tweener in this situation. Not good enough to be elite, but at the same time, not a young up and comer who you don't have to pay a whole hell of a lot to get. For me, if you strike out on 1 through 4, you have to talk to Turgeon about coming.
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Coaching |
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7 |
9 |
7 |
9 |
Jamie Dixon - Pitt
Pros: I saw this name rumored from someone in PA, who thought Nike would want Dixon (funny thing, Nike doesn't sponsor Pitt). Anyway, I think it's an interesting idea. Pitt is not a very nice school, and is located in the worst area of Pittsburg. Also, Dixon's predecessor, Ben Howland, made a jump from the Big East to the Pac 10 (UCLA). Now, Eugene is not Westwood, and Oregon is not UCLA, but it's definitely a step up from Pitt. Dixon is a West Coast guy and if he wanted to make it back out west, Oregon would be a great spot to start, besides he's a Dixon, he'll fit in just fine.
Cons: If Dixon is looking to move, Oregon is going to have to come hard at him to get him to think about Eugene over some other big name schools. I'm not sure he'd be able to recruit the east coast kids out here, and he definitely doesn't have a connection to the NW.
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7 |
9 |
8 |
5 |
Scott Drew - Baylor
Pros: Drew obviously knows how to take over a program in turmoil and turn it around. He's taken a program that was destroyed by scandal and a bottom feeder of the Big 12 to one that is actually competing for conference titles.
Cons: Not a lot of connection to Oregon or the Northwest. I'm also not sold that the name Drew is going to re-energize the fan base and get people excited about the program.
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Coaching |
Age |
Oregon Connection |
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3 |
7 |
9 |
2 |
Tubby Smith - Minnesota
Pros: With Tubby you definitely have the name brand. You know the guy can definitely coach. He's been to 15 NCAA tourney's and won 1. He's coached in the SEC and the Big 10 and is a big time coach. After being run out at Kentucky he's been relegated to a lower class Minnesota team for the last three years, and putting his name back into the limelight could be attractrive.
Cons: What's it going to take to get Tubby to come? $3MM? $4MM? $5MM? Do we really want to spend that type of money on a 58 year old coach? Plus, what obligation does he feel to Oregon or even the Pac 10? If we were an SEC school, where he coached two different teams, then maybe, but a Pac 10 school... I'm not so sure.
Category Rankings:
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Name Brand |
Coaching |
Age |
Oregon Connection |
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10 |
9 |
2 |
1 |
Steve Lavin - Unknown
Pros: He's coached in the Pac 10 and successfully at that (6 straight NCAA appearances and 1 conference crown). His name might make an immediate splash, and stealing him away from the ESPN sidelines will gain some short term notoriety.
Cons: I'm not sold that he can really coach. He took over a loaded UCLA team and was only able to win 1 conference title. Plus, with how long he's been out of coaching (7 years) there is a risk that he may not be able to get the ball rolling again. Lastly, I not sure there is enough hair gel in all of Eugene to keep him satisfied long term.
Category Rankings:
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Coaching |
Age |
Oregon Connection |
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8 |
5 |
8 |
3 |
PJ Carlesimo - Unknown
Pros: I guess he has a NBA name and was a decent coach at Seton Hall back before the internet existed (think about that, do we want a coach who was good before the internet even existed?). He also has some ties to Oregon given that he worked for the Blazers before Clinton was getting busy with interns, but I would never even think he would actually get the job.
Cons: Well, his first strike against him is that Canzano is actually trying to break this story. Let's be candid, if John Canzano breaks a story about Oregon, chances are a) everybody all ready knows about it, or b) it's completely wrong. I'm going with "b" on this one. Lastly, one of the only reasons Oregon "may" be talking to Carlesimo is due to the fact that the other coaches are still coaching. That's the good thing about retirees, they've got a lot of free time for phone calls. Canzano, you're an idiot.
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7 |
7 |
1 |
5 |
The Others
These last nine guys are not going to be household names for a lot of people. What they lack in name brand though, they definitely make for in Oregon connection or coaching ability. If Oregon is thinking long-term and finding the next "Chip Kelly" for the basketball program, one of these names will definitely fill that order. Also, look for some of these guys to have a decent NCAA/NIT tourney run and increase their résumé.
Tad Boyle - Northern Colorado
Pros: Boyle has coached with some of the names on this list (Turgeon) as well as some you may know well (Larry Brown). He has the pedigree and ability to make a program better. He also has a connection to Oregon having been an assistant here for three years under Jerry Green.
Cons: Really only has 3 years of experience as head coach, and at Northern Colorado no less. Not sure he'll be able to recruit and coach long term at Oregon and compete against names like Romar, Howland, Montgomery, etc.
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Coaching |
Age |
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3 |
6 |
9 |
9 |
Cameron Dollar - Seattle
Pros: He's young and energetic. We also know that he knows how to beat the 1-3-1 defense. He is definitely an up and coming coach having been an assistant at UW before becoming head coach at Seattle. He also knows how to win having been a part of the 1995 UCLA national championship team.
Cons: Anytime you've been a Husky, that's a strike against you. He also doesn't really have the track record as of yet to prove that he deserves a Pac 10 coaching job.
Category Rankings:
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Name Brand |
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Age |
Oregon Connection |
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4 |
5 |
10 |
3 |
Bill Grier - San Diego
Pros: Grier has the Oregon connection to make this an attractive situation for himself and the school. He coached at Creswell and Gonzaga and even took his school to the second round last year with an upset over Connecticut.
Cons: His résumé is not that long. A short high school coaching stint, an assistant at Gonzaga for 16 years and now a 2 year head coaching job at San Diego. All of that and he is 47 already. I like the idea of having a Southern California guy for recruiting, but like Boyle, he's not going to be a household name among recruits and will have to work hard at getting top notch athletes to come to Oregon.
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2 |
5 |
7 |
9 |
Brian Gregory - Dayton
Pros: Here is a guy you may not know, but can definitely coach. He's been an assistant to Tom Izzo (MSU) and has actually taken Dayton to a top 20 ranking. I also really like the idea of taking a guy from the Midwest to keep a number of the recruiting pipelines Payne and Kent have worked hard to open.
Cons: Unless Gregory has a decent tourney run, he's not going to sell out Matt Court on his own. He also doesn't have any connection to Oregon or the Northwest and Oregon would definitely be a sideways move for him coaching wise.
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4 |
7 |
8 |
1 |
Chris Mooney - Richmond
Pros: Mooney is a young guy who if he isn't already, will soon be on the short list of a number of schools. He's definitely building a résumé with a stop at Air Force and now taking Richmond to a tournament appearance.
Cons: While I like the idea of going after a young up and coming guy you definitely run the risk of him jumping ship once he's too successful. Especially with a guy like Mooney. He's an East Coast guy and if the right program came calling later I could see him heading for the exit.
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4 |
7 |
9 |
1 |
Ben Jacobson - Northern Iowa
Pros: Mooney, Gregory and Jacobson are all relatively young guys that are not household names right now, but if given the right opportunity can become big time coaches. Jacobson, like the others, has a track record of being a defensive minded coach. Jacobson has really never been in the limelight (North Dakota and Northern Iowa) and if given that opportunity may find an allegiance to Oregon.
Cons: No real résumé to speak of. He's going to need to a decent tourney run besides a one and done to garner much attention. Not sure that pulling a coach from Iowa and North Dakota is the recruiting hot bed you want to be tapping.
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1 |
8 |
9 |
2 |
Greg Marshall - Wichita State
Pros: He took over Wichita State when Mark Turgeon moved on to Texas A&M, and like his predecessor may be looking to take his coaching to the next level. He definitely has a good résumé having taken Winthrop to 7 tourney appearances and is on the verge of taking Wichita State there too. Getting a good coach out of Kansas could be good for recruiting also.
Cons: We may end up competing with Big 12 schools for his services. He doesn't have the connections in Oregon to make his coming here a no brainer. He's also no spring chicken (age 47) and may be looking for a bigger fish in a bigger pond.
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4 |
8 |
7 |
1 |
Eric Reveno - Portland
Pros: Let's be honest, he did beat Ernie Kent. He'd be an easy sell on moving from Portland to Eugene. I also don't think it would take a huge salary to pull him away.
Cons: In my opinion we would be getting Ernie Kent 2.0. Runs a very similar offense of run and gun and three point shooting. While hiring him might make a splash locally, I'm not sure it will garner the attention nationally that Oregon is looking for.
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2 |
5 |
8 |
8 |
Randy Bennett - Saint Mary's
Pros: Mostly a west coast guy. He's also a loyal coach, having been at Saint Mary's for 9 years now. His biggest splash came in being able to recruit internationally and that may not be a bad thing considering where college basketball and the NBA are headed.
Cons: Do we really want to follow up Ernie Kent with another Saint Mary's guy? He's struggled in taking Saint Mary's to the next level and I'm hesitant to think that he'll be able to do it for Oregon. While I like his connection to the West Coast, I'm not sure he expands our recruiting ability much more than Kent was able to do.
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7 |
3 |
Other Names
Other names you could see show up that may be fun to debate are:
Tony Barbee, UTEP
Rod Stickland, Memphis Assistant
Mike Dunleavy, Unemployment Line
Monty Williams, Blazer's Assistant
Other Info
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Salary |
Age |
Name Brand |
Coaching |
Age |
Oregon Connection |
Total |
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Mark Few - Gonzaga |
$1+MM |
48 |
10 |
10 |
6 |
10 |
36 |
|
Brad Stevens - Butler |
$900k |
33 |
9 |
10 |
10 |
2 |
31 |
|
Steve Alford - New Mexico |
$975k |
45 |
10 |
10 |
8 |
4 |
32 |
|
Erik Spoelstra - Miami |
$3-6MM |
40 |
10 |
10 |
9 |
9 |
38 |
|
Mark Turgeon - Texas A&M |
$1.2MM |
45 |
7 |
9 |
7 |
9 |
32 |
|
Scott Drew - Baylor |
$412k |
39 |
3 |
7 |
9 |
2 |
21 |
|
Jamie Dixon - Pitt |
$1.3MM |
44 |
7 |
9 |
8 |
5 |
29 |
|
Tubby Smith -Minnesota |
$3.3MM |
58 |
10 |
9 |
2 |
1 |
22 |
|
Steve Lavin - Unknown |
Unlisted |
45 |
8 |
5 |
8 |
3 |
24 |
|
PJ Carlesimo - Unknown |
Unlisted |
60 |
7 |
7 |
1 |
5 |
20 |
|
Tad Boyle - Northern Colorado |
$110k |
37 |
3 |
6 |
9 |
9 |
27 |
|
Cameron Dollar - Seattle |
$108k |
34 |
4 |
5 |
10 |
3 |
22 |
|
Bill Grier - San Diego |
$600k |
46 |
2 |
5 |
7 |
9 |
23 |
|
Brian Gregory - Dayton |
$485k |
42 |
4 |
7 |
8 |
1 |
20 |
|
Chris Mooney - Richmond |
Unlisted |
37 |
4 |
7 |
9 |
1 |
21 |
|
Ben Jacobson - Northern Iowa |
$150k |
40 |
1 |
8 |
9 |
2 |
20 |
|
Greg Marshall - Wichita State |
$400k |
47 |
4 |
8 |
7 |
1 |
20 |
|
Eric Reveno - Portland |
Unlisted |
44 |
2 |
5 |
8 |
8 |
23 |
|
Randy Bennett - Saint Mary's |
Unlisted |
47 |
2 |
7 |
7 |
5 |
21 |
Salaries
As you can see I have compiled the data for each coach and included their salaries and ages. Unfortunately, private schools are not required to release data about what they pay their coaches (Few reportedly makes around $1MM, but Richmond, Portland and Saint Mary's data is difficult to find or non-existent).
By comparison, Chip Kelly will make around $1.8MM this year as a first year head coach. I think Oregon will target something comparable to Kelly's. Ernie Kent made roughly $975k in his last year and his buyout will be about another $1.5MM. That means next year if they pay a coach $2MM, Oregon will be on the hook for close to $3.5MM for its head coach plus whatever they may have to pay for the buyout of the coach they bring in. That means we're looking at anywhere from $3-5MM in the first year for a new coach. That's almost double what they will pay the entire college football program combined.
Personally, I think it is going to take something in the $2MM range to get one of the top tier coaches (outside of Spoelstra, he'll require closer to $4MM). I think this also rules out Tubby Smith who is making over $3MM right now and for him to make a sideways move to take less is probably not going to happen. The real question is whether or not Oregon is willing to push the upper tier of the salary range in order to fill the arena and bring a winning program.
Recruiting
Most of this post came from a conversation that started between cougfan and myself. cougfan brought up the point that recruiting can be an issue when selecting a new coach. So I put him to work and had him evaluate some of the top two tiers of coaches that Oregon may be looking at. Here are his thoughts:
Few: I wouldn't call him a home-run recruiter, but I would say he can evaluate talent. He pulls under the radar kids from all over the country (and other countries). His best recruits have been: Austin Daye, Matt Bouldin, and Josh Heytfelt. Even Morrison wasn't highly touted out of high school, but was from Mead, WA which is a stone's throw from GU. The thing he can't, and hasn't, done is recruit Seattle/Tacoma. Romar is even on record saying that Oregon and now WSU and Seattle are where his recruiting battles come from and that GU isn't even in the picture. If he wants to play at Oregon, he's going to have to be able to get at Seattle.
Alford: Recruits all over the map. He's got guys from the area (NM, TX, AZ), and across the country (a package deal from NC, a kid from TN). He seems to do a good job of being in the picture with area talent. He's got a top ranked center from NM staying home this year and seems to have picked off some 4 stars out of Texas. Ranking wise, he's one of the best recruiters.
Turgeon: Stays local, and why shouldn't he? He pulls 3/4 star guys from Texas which is like shooting fish in a barrel. Transplanting him to the NW hotbed wouldn't hurt his recruiting at all.
Stevens: Also stays within that Indiana area for recruiting mostly. What surprised me is that he is pulling some highly ranked recruits in to Butler lately. It's not exactly the easiest school in the world to recruit to. If you want to keep that Midwest connection, he could probably do that in addition to getting the local kids.
Dixon: Made Pitt into a recruiting powerhouse. 4/5 star kids out of high school are the norm there. Recruits all over the Northeast with some Texas and Midwest sprinkled in. His record speaks for itself.
Drew: I'm an unabashed Drew fan, as well. I have a friend who worked in their athletic department and she loved him. For what it's worth, she also doesn't think he's going anywhere. He recruits to his system and also can hit the home-run with big names. Again, recruits Texas with other areas sprinkled in a bit.
Boyle: Seems to work the Southwest and Midwest for his recruiting. He actually pulls decent recruits for being in the Big Sky and with a BCS conference budget may be able to do wonders.
Dollar: Recruits like a mad man. The big names UW has had, you can mostly attribute to him. Also swooped up Garcia for SU after he was a non-qualifier. As far as someone who can recruit locally, Dollar would give you some fun head to heads with Romar for Seattle's finest.
I'm leaving Lavin, Tubby, and Spoelstra off because I really don't know with them. Spoelstra could be a Tim Floyd like coach, which would be my best guess. Lavin is mentioned for every job under the sun, but nobody ever pulls the trigger and there's gotta be a reason.
If you want Oregon to be competitive now and in the future, the coach has to be able to walk in to the Seattle/Tacoma area and pull guys out as well as keeping Oregon's talent in. We've consistently got some of the top players nationally (including Wroten and Bell in 2011) coming out of high school. The Midwest pipeline is nice, but the new coach better be able to recruit the NW and Cali. Finally, the new coach has to be able to correctly evaluate and develop talent, like any good coach. Again, that plays in to the system that the coach runs and how disciplined he is. Overall, Few is going to win that battle, but Turgeon might actually be up there pretty close with him.
Summary
Coaching style is something I will leave for the posters to debate. If you've made it this far in the post, congratulations, you now have a BS in "Hiring Basketball Coaches to Oregon 101."
I think Oregon has an opportunity by letting Kent go early to be one of the first in line for the services of some of these coaches, especially some of the younger guys who may have a decent tourney run. In my opinion I would be happy with just about any of the names on this list, but it will really depend on how much money Oregon is looking to spend and how much convincing they can do that Oregon is a destination school.
Let me know your thoughts in the comments and if there is someone you think I missed.
Go Ducks!
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Uneducated comment here, so bear with me … What about Mike Rice’s son, Mike Rice Jr.? He has taken Robert Morris to the NCAA tourney two years in a row now, and obviously he has a tie to the state.
He's a good pick
I don’t know if he has the national presence enough yet to get the publicity though.
He’d be kind of like picking Chip Kelly, an unknown from a lower league. Given how CK worked out, go for it.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I was curious why he is never mentioned or why Mike Rice (Sr.) doesn’t blather on and on about it during Blazers broadcasts
They talked about it Monday during Blazers Courtside
Joked about it more like. They had Mike Rice Jr. on the show. It was funny because his dad didn’t know his son was going to be on and was clearly shocked.
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Oden was also on
Rehab going well, going to start running soon.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Who says Oden hasn't "grown" this season?
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If it means having Mike Rice at a bunch of Duck games, then I say no. I can’t stand that guy. Maybe because I’m not a Blazer fan, but he’s annoying.
They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
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Unless you grew up with Rice
When he was Schonz’s counterpart, he seems annoying.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
He’s annoying to us Blazers fans too, but is his son is a good basketball coach with a decent pedigree, then maybe that son should be considered if we miss out on the big names
I had a really awesome comment written up last night, and then you took the post down. Now I don’t remember it. I think our best bet is Steve Alford, with the next tier being coaches like Cameron Dollar and Randy Bennett. I don’t think we can land Spoelstra, Dixon, Smith, or Few primarily based on a new arena. We need to be a step up in coaching pedigree, which rules out Spoelstra and Dixon. Big Ten to Pac-10 is a lateral move at best, and realistically it’s a step down, so Tubby is out. And Few just isn’t coming.
A name that wasn’t mentioned here that is getting play: Ben Jacobson of Northern Iowa. He’s not a “name”, but he’s taken UNI to two straight NCAA tourneys. His teams are in the Tony Bennett mold, playing stingy defense and limiting possessions.
They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
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Jacobson
Actually I believe I did include Jacobson
Hey, I'm Quinn. What's your name?
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by Matt Daddy on Mar 17, 2010 10:18 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You did
And on Jacobson, look at UNI’s stats. If you know kenpom’s stats, some things on the page should jump out at you. Here’s a hint: S-L-O-W.
by Brian Floyd on Mar 17, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Midwest basketball is slow
Just like football, in the midwest offense is optional.
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I like Alford a lot
Maybe its just watching his battles with his old coach Bobby Knight when I was in college in Grinnell but he would be a very good pick.
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I haven't finished reading but Spoelstra..
does make sense, considering the media here in Miami hate on the guy all the time for his age and lack of ability to have his players perform on a consistent basis………wait consistency is important, well maybe players not getting paid will make a difference.
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If Spoelstra is fired by Riley then cost may not be an issue
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Spoelstra - This is where I get to do some speculating.
If you’ve heard of Worldwide Wes, you know he is one of the most powerful men in basketball, although he stays entirely behind the scenes. And recently, just announced that he would become an agent for bball coaches in the NBA and college for Creative Artists Agency, the same agency that houses Lebron, Calipari, nearly every other star in sports, and Eric Spoelstra.
Wes has an innate ability to make friendships with star athletes, including top recruits, and often sends them to his friends/clients. IE: Derrick Rose and Tyreke Rose both went to Coach Cal partly due to his nudging.
Kenny Payne is friends with Wes so hopefully we keep him around. A GQ article (required reading) recently called Phil Knight and Wes the two most powerful men in sports, and know eachother. That makes me happy. And make me think something big could be afoot.
From an SI article by Seth Davids not too long ago:
His profile has burgeoned in recent years as multiple media outlets have chronicled his story, connecting the dots between the young players he befriends and coaches with whom he is known to be particularly close.
His relationships will ostensibly provide Wesley with a rich pool from which he can select his prospective clients for CAA.
Moreover, although Wesley has repeatedly denied steering top high school players towards programs coached by one of his friends, that reputation could potentially work in his clients’ favor if athletic directors believe that a coach represented by Wesley will have a recruiting advantage over his competitors.
Spoelstra is young, a big name who like, Matt Daddy said, could bring a Pete Carroll-esqu vibe to Eugene.
I say break the bank on him and watch the recruits pile in. He’d definitely sell tickets, sell the hell out of our facilities to 18-year-olds, and if he can help Wade’s shot, there’s hope for this team.
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by UOSportsDude on Mar 17, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Even guys who fail as NBA coaches are atractive
They can always tell kids, I know what you have to be to play in the NBA and I can make you just that. I have always assumed that is a powerful recruiting tool.
Haveasoda, or someone who knows, whats his scheme like? There is a lot of DWade in their offense so its hard to get a feel with out watching a lot of games. My one hesitation would be we just had a NBA esque offense and it didn’t really work out.
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by trumpetduck on Mar 17, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
From what I have seen of his style it mirrors a lot of what Riley used. Only Riley had more dominant centers during his coaching. He definitely doesn’t play slow and methodical, but we won’t be seeing Paul ball.
What I like best about him is his ability to develop talent. I read an article when Spoelstra was promoted talking about how Wade credited him with improving his shot. (I’ll go look for it). You’ve also seen other young guys on the team (Beasley, Chalmers) improve too.
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I'd love to see Spoelstra coach Oregon...
For the next 20 years.
by IndustrialRevolution on Mar 18, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Phi Knight
Is there any indication that Uncle Phil is interested in puling his weight for the Basketball Team, or even that he cares?
I know he stepped in with the Bill Moos, Vin Lananna thing, but has he ever shown any special interest in the goings on of Basketball operations here?
I don’t disagree that he is a tantalizing choice, but I am not sure that the price tag would be worth it.
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I hear he is also figures to play a big part in the upcoming search for Dean of the Law School.
In all seriousness, point made, but there is a diference between a tax write off, and having a desire to shape Basketball Operations.
I hadn’t heard the report that cougfan makes below, and it certainly doesn’t surprise me, but I just can’t see Phil Knight pulling strings in the way that was mentioned above.
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Here it is
Bellotti would not get too far into specifics of what the Ducks (and, he acknowledged, Nike) are looking for in a replacement. He would not rule out a coach with extensive NBA experience. He didn’t put any kind of dollar figure on the hire, either.
You can also find a certain columnist wetting himself about the Nike involvement in the search. He seems to be excited and think it’s a good thing
I very much doubt that Phil Knight will be pulling strings, or will be getting involved specifically with the basketball operations. Outside of the track situation (which is very different), it’s just not his style. He’s a leader of a multi-million dollar corporation. You do that by knowing what you’re good at, and what you’re not.
Phil will make his (and Nike’s) resources available to Oregon.
But the new coach will have to have a good relationship with Phil Knight, and with Nike. That is a considerable resource, especially in the world of basketball.
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Actually what Phil is really good at is letting his desire be known.
Having talked to many people who work with Phil at Nike, he’s the type of guy that will give the direction of where he wants something to go, or sometimes not go and then give clear direction on how to get there.
I think that’s what he’ll try and do with the basketball team. I think he’ll be explicit about what he wants in a coach and then let everyone else do the work in making it happen.
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It sounded pretty apparent at the presser
With Belotti saying we won’t do a search firm, but will use Nike, it seems apparent that they’re going to use Phil’s ideas in more then a small way while looking for the coach.
Honestly, what ideas are those? The boilerplate for a good coach is pretty standard. You gotta develop talent, know the X’s and O’s, recruit, etc. It’s not like Phil has some secret that he’s imparting to the athletic department.
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I would think it would be price tag, style of play, areas of the country to look for a coach based on Nike camps.
I’d venture to guess that Knight has told Bellotti exactly how much he is willing to fork out for Few to come to Oregon.
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Nike also has more connections then a search firm probably would
Nike pays coaches in various ways. They have feelers and connections that you really can’t get from a search firm. If it does get past the point of Few, then you’re talking about bringing Nike into play to find what you want.
Listen:
Phil Knight is only going to approve a coach that has experience manipulating 4-year-old Indonesian children to work in sweatshops. He’s the living manifestation of evil.
Sorry, possessed by the evil demon Canzano for a moment there. You guys have to stop mentioning his name.
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 17, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don’t think that Knight will be taking the lead, and I don’t think that he should. Bellotti is smart enough to know his strengths and weaknesses, and I’m sure he’ll be bringing in Knight and other knowledgeable people from Nike in some of those areas.
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That's what I figured
Nike has plenty of resources. Bellotti should be able to set out an idea of what he wants in terms of qualifications, name, etc and Nike should be able to hand him a list of coaches, their price, and their interest.
We have to remember this is Bellotti’s first major decision as AD. I think he is going to gather as much info and help as he can in making the choice.
I think Kilkenny and Knight both have vested interests in who coaches the team, and their input will be vital in steering Bellotti in the right direction.
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This is also true
And I really don’t know how much, if anything, Bellotti knows about hiring a basketball coach. Which is why it’s going to be important for him to use the resources at his disposal (and in the basketball world, Nike is a hell of a resource).
This is all, of course, moot if someone can convince Few to jump.
Spoelstra doesn't make sense to me
No experience running a college program.
I’m still on Team Monty Williams until he is officially eliminated. 1st round pick out of Notre Dame. Disciple of Gregg Popovich. Basically in charge of player development w/ the Blazers (works individually w/ the youngsters who give him all the credit). Between Pop and Nate, gotta hunch he’s got the X and O’s. If he can charm a room of banking exec’s, i’m sure the booster crowd would respond the same. Will prob have the Nike stamp of approval thru Larry Miller (President of Blazers). Negatives: opportunity to coach in the NBA and not originally from the West coast. likes to play at a slower, efficient pace (see: spurs/blazers)
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he's going to get an NBA gig sooner rather than later
why should he settle for Oregon?
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by David Piper on Mar 17, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Negatives: … likes to play at a slower, efficient pace (see: spurs/blazers)
After what we’ve seen over the past couple of years, this may not be a negative.
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by MarineCorpsDuck on Mar 17, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see Williams stepping down to the college level. He’ll get his shot at an NBA job and will always have the opportunity to back to college. Plus, what does he know about recruiting? That’s my fear with Spoelstra too.
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Mike Dunlap is going to be interviewing for the job. I don’t think he would be a bad fit although he wouldn’t exactly be a “splash” hire
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He was left off the list
But I figured it was always assumed he’d at least be given a shot at the job and that this year was his test drive as the game planner.
Do you think you’ve seen enough of what Dunlap can do at Oregon to make him a viable choice?
I’m conflicted on this one. I know what Dunlap can do, but it didn’t seem like too much of that translated through the players last year (except for a couple of obvious times). I not sure if that is because of Kent, or Dunlap.
Part of me wants a fresh start, but another part of me realizes what an asset Dunlap is and I don’t want to see him go somewhere else.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 17, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that Few s option number 1 for the job (obviously), but I think he’s happy doing what he’s doing at Gonzaga. He practically owns the conference, makes money there, and is supposedly happy.
I think the number 2 option is Alford, and also the most likely selection.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 17, 2010 2:18 PM PDT reply actions
See this is going to be a problem
If UW beats Marquette, which is quite possible, then you have a likely UW/UNM matchup. If you want to be able to interview Alford soon, you may have to do the unthinkable. This is also assuming GU gets bounced this weekend, which I’m going to go ahead and assume. Unless, of course, the slipper still fits (Yes, Gus is calling the GU game on Friday, too).
Eh. Time’s not a huge issue. UNM isn’t going further than the Sweet 16 probably, so it’s not a big deal.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 17, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck UW
hope they lose by 50.
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by David Piper on Mar 17, 2010 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Personally I want Alford. Here's why:
Sure I would love Spoelstra or Few to want to come to Oregon long term, but unless there is some serious money tossed at them, I don’t think it’s going to happen.
If Oregon wants spend in the $1.5-2MM range I think their options will consist of Stevens, Turgeon and Alford. For Stevens that would be a considerable jump in pay, but he would have to want to come west and I think there is little evidence of that. Turgeon seems rather ensconced at TA&M and already makes about a third more than Alford. I think enticing Alford with a $1.5MM salary will get the job done.
Recruiting wise, I don’t think there is anyone better than Alford on the list. He’s pulling Texas guys to New Mexico. Let me say that again, New Mexico! Think about what he could do with Nike’s pull and Oregon’s facilities. He’ll reload Oregon faster than anybody.
Lastly, I don’t think Alford is a long term solution. If Oregon wants to get to that premier status in college basketball they are going to have to realize that they will burn through a couple of coaches until they land the big one.
Alford will be able to come in, fill seats, rebuild the recruiting pipe, get the team moving in the right direction and as soon as he is looking for greener pastures, we’ll be able to move on to the coach that will put Oregon over the top.
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That's what I noticed looking at the recruiting
Wasn’t sure if I conveyed it right, but he’s really good. He’s not taking UT and A&M leftovers, he actually carved out a place for UNM in Texas. Sure they have a lot of talent, but for him to actually be able to tap into it while competing against the big boys was impressive to me.
If I’m Bellotti I call Few this Sunday and ask for the price.
After that, I call Turgeon, Stevens and Alford’s agents and ask if there is any interest. I could see Turgeon using the Oregon situation to get a pay raise and extension. I really think it will come down to Stevens and Alford for the job.
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If Few actually names a price
Then you pay it. In cash. Probably from a dump truck parked in his driveway.
I was thinking this earlier.
I’m sure he loves Spokane and being the biggest fish in a small pond. But everyone has their price.
Is there a price too high for getting Mark Few? $3mm/yr?
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 17, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
not everybody has their price
Riley didn’t leave OSU for bigger money
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That bigger money wasn’t big enough for Mike “Woke up ballin’, went to sleep stuntin’” Riley. Duh.
by jcolomy on Mar 17, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That isn't the point.
There is money big enough to hire Riley elsewhere.
Opinion, of course
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 17, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
And if it's based off the report USC wanted him
I believe that was false. Garrett was being smart and throwing up flares through the media while they hired their man or, according to esquire, woman.
by Brian Floyd on Mar 17, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's an interesting conversation starter
If Gonzaga gets bumped in the first or second round this year (which seems likely) will that work for or against Oregon in trying to get Few.
My thoughts are it will help Oregon in landing Few if he doesn’t make the sweet 16 or better. I think it may influence Few to realize that he’s never made it past the sweet 16 there and may need to find a place that he can do that at. Go Florida State!
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Gus is calling Gonzaga, again
Either something really good (posted above), or really hilarious will happen. Either way, Oregon benefits. There’s no way they get past Cuse.
There really was no point to this, except I wanted to post the Morrison video.
I find it surprising that in the 10 years Few has led Gonzaga he’s been to 3 sweet sixteens and zero elite eights.
Does this tell us something about Few or Gonzaga?
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Zags. Talent level has improved, but for a time Few did a lot with a little.
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by Bill Musgrave on Mar 17, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, this was a hell of a write-up Matt.
I’m not sure how long this took you but this is extremely in-depth and lengthy. Good job and thanks for pushing it out for us.
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I wonder if anyone read the poll
It wasn’t “who do you want”. It was, however, “who has the best chance”. Few might still be a longshot in reality, but hey at least myself and Matt Daddy are gaining on Dixon and Spoelstra.
I just wish one of those 23 people who voted for us were named Mike Bellotti.
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Who says it wasn't?
Him and Phil are definitely AtQ posters.
by Brian Floyd on Mar 17, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Make that 22.
I voted for you fellas and my name isn’t Mike Belloti, sorry about your luck. You get the vote because I don’t think we’ll end up with anyone listed on the poll. I really hope I’m wrong.
I voted for myself
What can I say, I’m vain and I hate coming in last.
And if I had to place a bet on the Bellotti/Knight tandem, it’s Musgrave and benzduck. Without a doubt.
by Brian Floyd on Mar 17, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
No way, Don Monson and Rich Brooks (obviously benzduck is Monson the way he hates the new fangled styles of basketball, and Musgrave is Brooks because of his profanity)
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I really should've seen that ahead of time
The search continues. On the plus side, Rich Brooks gave us a vote of confidence. Take that sucker to the bank.
by Brian Floyd on Mar 17, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but..
Unlike Ernie, Monson was an ass, and I hated him. Since I don’t hate myself, I cannot be Monson. Q.E.D.
I think your opinions are BULLSHIT.
everything is history, eventually.
benzduck, I know Bill “Rich Brooks” Musgrave, Bill “Rich Brooks” Musgrave was a friend of mine, and you benzduck are no Bill “Rich Brooks” Musgrave
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Whatever, I still am not Monson.
Steve Belko, maybe.
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by benzduck on Mar 18, 2010 12:04 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
First of all, everyone can go fuck themselves.
Second, you don’t need any poll because I made you guys the fucking coaches a long time ago, and I say so so there.
Third, Benz you know you are wrong, you definitely hate yourself.
Fourth, I am too tired to make any more sense and therefore will employ the wookie defense from here on out.
My parents don't believe in Canzano either.
by Bill Musgrave on Mar 18, 2010 3:54 AM PDT up reply actions
My lawyer advises I maintain the wookie defense and therefore: Chewbacca
My parents don't believe in Canzano either.
by Bill Musgrave on Mar 19, 2010 5:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Scratch that
I want Ben Jacobson !
by IndustrialRevolution on Mar 21, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions

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