Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Bill Parcells, Jerome Bettis Lead Hall of Fame Finalists

Matt Daddy’s Sunday Conversation

Since Tako Tuesday's has been on hiatus (drinking beer and watching the tourney), I feel there is a lot of pent-up frustration (name calling) in the ATQ because we haven't had our outlet to discuss mundane things (beer, Hot Tub Time Machines, age of ATQ posters, porn versus wrong, etc).  Therefore, until Takimoto decides to stop being lazy (texting his girlfriend) and get off the couch (and back on the internet where he belongs) I'm going to put together a place for us to talk about the recent happenings (or things I find important).

So before we get to the main attraction this afternoon when the last two games before the final four start; let's talk about a couple of things.

Star-divide

Topic 1:  Coaching Replacement

So rumor has it that Tubby Smith of Minnesota has had a conversation with Oregon (or those doing the hiring for Oregon, aka Pat Kilkenny) about the coaching vacancy.  This leads me to think a couple of things.  First, I don't like the potential hire.  Tubby's not a long term solution.  He's a stop the bleeding, provide a big name, get a Nike guy who can recruit before Social Security kicks in guy.  Second, I think this is PK and Knight trying to make a splash (yeah, I said splash SHU, sue me).  I think PK and Knight want a name they can put on the front pages of ESPN and compete for headlines, and Tubby is definitely that guy.  Lastly, I don't like it because the cost - benefit is nowhere near what else exists out there right now.  Let's go back and look at some of the names that were out there in my last post (and let's assume that Few, Turgeon, Jacobson and Alford have all turned down Oregon).  You still have Drew (Baylor), Dixon (Pitt) and Stevens (Butler) in that top tier left, and two of them are still playing.  Why rush?

What are your thoughts right now on the coaching replacement situation?  What do you think of Tubby Smith?  Who's at the top of your list right now?

Topic 2: Tourney Madness

This tourney has been a hell of a lot of fun.  I'm sure everyone's bracket looks like an essay that AllSaintsDay just got done grading with how many red marks are on it.  If Duke loses, this will be the 3rd time in history that no number 1 seed has reached the final four.  Last time it happened?  2006, in that's right, Indianapolis.  There have been epic games (KSU v Xavier), there have been big time upsets (Ohio v Gerogetown) and there have been Cinderella Stories (Northern Iowa).  To top it all off, we're going to have Butler playing in the Final Four, 19 minutes from their school at Lucas Oil Stadium.  Talk about home court advantage.  I have thoroughly enjoyed this year's tourney and it just goes to show that March Madness is one of the best times of the year.

What was your favorite part of the tourney?  Who's your favorite to win it all right now?  What is your favorite time of year (Bowl Season, Opening Day/NBA Playoffs, Super Bowl/NFL Playoffs, or March Madness)?

Topic 3:  Movies

So it was my daughter's birthday this weekend and we took her to see "How To Train Your Dragon" in 3D.  I am going to say this is one of the most enjoyable movies I have seen in a long time.  So many people told me to go see Avatar, but I was underwhelmed by the story (see here).  Sure, the CGI was out of this world, but isn't that just one step above going full animation like How to Train Your Dragon?  I left the movie feeling a little guilty that I enjoyed a kids movie so much.  Should I feel this way?  Does a good movie have to have actors not reading scripts into a microphone to be a great movie?  I'm conflicted.

Can a kids movie be one of your favorite movies when you're older than 18?  What is your top 3 favorite movies of all time?  Are CGI and 3D dumbing down the quality of movies?

These are your Sunday Conversation pieces.  Talk amongst yourselves and enjoy the games this afternoon.

Go Ducks!

Poll
Who will win the NCAA tourney?
Duke
52 votes
Baylor
13 votes
Michigan State
17 votes
Tennessee
5 votes
Butler
39 votes
West Virginia
45 votes
Please God, bring back Tako Tuesday's!!!!
14 votes

185 votes | Poll has closed

Comment 86 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

YOU VOTED FOR TAKO TUESDAY’S??
HOW DARE YOU?!?!?!?!?!?! I WILL NOT COACH WITH YOU NOW!!!!!!

Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Mar 28, 2010 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

ERRONEOUS

I haven’t voted yet! You damn sure know which team I’m voting for, though

by Brian Floyd on Mar 28, 2010 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

AND DONE!

Bringing my own little dose of Duke hate to try to even out the score. Go team with a 16 year old coach!

by Brian Floyd on Mar 28, 2010 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Duke sucks at life.

Now, back to F1 racing. Fuck you Jensen Button.

Self-annointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.

by CaDuck on Mar 28, 2010 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

F1 racing? Are you watching racing at 12am on a Saturday?

Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Mar 28, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Deal with it.

Self-annointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.

by CaDuck on Mar 28, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you actually like that stuff or are you just trying to impress some girl you met online from Europe?

Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Mar 28, 2010 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have been following F1 seriously for 7 or 8 years now.

Usually I have to wake up at 6 in the morning to catch the last hour of a race. But not when they are racing in Australia!

Self-annointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.

by CaDuck on Mar 28, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

pardon the ignorance, but is F1 the oval track or road?

Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Mar 28, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

No ovals. Never. I would not so much as think about waking up early or staying up late to watch an oval race.

F1 is predominately raced on closed, specialized road tracks. However, races such as Monaco are built on the streets, in that case through Monte Carlo.

Self-annointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.

by CaDuck on Mar 28, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

F1 is where they go clockwise

instead of counterclockwise like NASCAR and Indy and outlaws and karts and dragsters with the left rear tire smaller than the right one and just about every other form of racing including the kind they do at Hayward wearing Nikes instead of Goodyears.

No, I don’t know why.

BENZDUCK FOR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR!
Why the hell not?

by benzduck on Mar 28, 2010 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gator fan here

I was doing some reading of some old Florida news papers online out of boredum and I came across that Oregon/Florida match up you were talking about. I been using Google News Archives to look up old news stories. Its pretty fun. But the stroy reminded me of your fan post, so here is the link

And here is the link to the search engine. I am not sure if you have tried this out before, but I doubt it because I typed in a lot of info that you wanted and without to much effort I could find a lot of stories on the Gators 29’ team.

let me know if this helps, or if you already found out the info you wanted.

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Mar 28, 2010 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Actually I have a pretty extensive list of links to all the stories I could find on the Google archives — Miami Times, Palm Beach Post, Sarasota whatever.

What I was hoping to find was more indepth or historic coverage — interviews with players or attendees for example. Most of those involved are long dead by now, of course, but I hold out hope that someone interviewed some of them at one time.

The problem with the news coverage in Florida at the time is its level of boosterism and chamber-of-commerce style relevance. That was pretty common around the whole country, of course, so it shouldn’t seem I’m picking on Florida. But there’s a lot of “not-news” in the Florida news coverage, along with some flat falsehoods (example — a few stories touted Oregon lineman Austin Colbert as a player to watch for, which would have been difficult, since he failed to make grades and didn’t even come on the Florida trip).

BENZDUCK FOR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR!
Why the hell not?

by benzduck on Mar 28, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not nearly as much as your spelling DISAPPOINTS me.

Self-annointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.

by CaDuck on Mar 28, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

YOU VOTED FOR BUTLER????????

HOW DARE YOU?!?!?!?!?!?!

Baylor is going to be crying itself to sleep tonight for your betrayal.

Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Mar 28, 2010 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

But I was torn!

I love them both and couldn’t choose. I had to go with the one catching Duke.

Everyone, vote for Baylor. They have a guard named Tweety. Tweety is awesome. Therefor, Baylor is awesome. QED

by Brian Floyd on Mar 28, 2010 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Et tu cougfan? Et tu.

Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Mar 28, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Judging by the way we pick games here at ATQ, I’m pretty sure MSU is going to win the whole thing considering thye have zero votes.

Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Mar 28, 2010 12:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah.

But the real question we need to be asking is, “Who does axemen think will win it all?”

Self-annointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.

by CaDuck on Mar 28, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Butler too

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Mar 28, 2010 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I had two gigs this weekend and rehearsals all week so I missed a bunch of games. But tonight was a big CD release party for my singer and it went well, so now I can relax and watch TV without stressing that I should be rehearsing for The Big Gig.

I thought we wanted a real fast, exciting style and from what I’ve heard Tubby Smith is not exactly Chip Kelly. Besides, his name is Tubby. Fucking TUBBY. No offense, but I don’t see a brightly colored children’s TV character cutting the ribbon at Matt Court. And we thought the Skip Belly comments were bad…

As for the tourney, I love it. Always a fan of upsets and underdogs and good stories. It makes you wonder why the hell we don’t do this for football, it’d make infinity kazillion dollars and we’d all lose our minds when a team like Houston snuck in and knocked off Alabama.

by JonathanPDX on Mar 28, 2010 1:39 AM PDT reply actions  

It makes you wonder why the hell we don’t do this for football, it’d make infinity kazillion dollars and we’d all lose our minds when a team like Houston snuck in and knocked off Alabama.

Why has no one thought of this before?!?!?!?

by echo31 on Mar 28, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tubby's real name is Orlando. We could insist that everyone call him Orlando.

Other interesting facts?

Orlando is originally from Maryland and one of 17 children “born to sharecroppers Guffrie and Parthenia Smith”. Holy shit, sorry for you, sweet Parthenia. The nickname tubby apparently comes from the fact that he liked staying in the bathtub longer than everyone else. Go figure.

71% career win percentage, but yes, has appeared a little less sharp at Minnesota of late. Still making tourneys, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubby_Smith

My parents don't believe in Canzano either.

by Bill Musgrave on Mar 28, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, and he doesn't like being called Tubby. So:

We respect his wishes and routinely call him Orlando, he feels the love and decides to coach us for free, then digs deep and finds a youthful exuberance associated with the fact that he hasn’t been respected with his real name on a regular basis since then tenth grade. This new mutual devotion coupled with his the world is my oyster, let’s kick some ass attitude brings Orlando and Oregon each their second national championships.

After that, run-on sentences become all the rage.

My parents don't believe in Canzano either.

by Bill Musgrave on Mar 28, 2010 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Butler wins it all.

Chip Kelly-Bustin' Out The Banhammer Since 2009

by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 28, 2010 7:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Stevens and Drew aren't coming

Stevens is from Indianapolis and has proven that he can compete at the highest level at Butler. Drew has done the same with Baylor. Unless either is swayed by ridiculous amounts of money, they aren’t coming.

I’m betting that we end up with Tubby or Randy Bennett. I may rather have Bennett, to be honest with you.

--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Mar 28, 2010 7:59 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd rather have neither

But if I HAD to choose between the two as my coach, I’d choose Bennett. I just can’t like Tubby as a coach.

by Brian Floyd on Mar 28, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d never chose Bennett. He’s got a dirty little secret and that is, he’s only as good as his Senior leadership. His team was much better last year, and they didn’t do nearly as much.

Personally, I’d rather not have to wait for our kids to be senior for us to compete (isn’t that one of the problems we’ve had with Ernie?)

Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Mar 28, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Stevens has proven that he can get to a final four in a year where things are down. Sure, he’s been great at Butler, but at Butler he will never have the resources available at a Pac-10 school. This may be his only decent shot to win a title if he stays at Butler.

It all depends on what he wants. Does he want to stay at Butler? Why not move on to Indiana (when that opens up)?

He’ll simply never have elite talent while at Butler. Does he really want to stay there for the next 20-30 years?

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Mar 28, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s getting great talent. But he won’t get paid there.

He’s making ~900k now, and really how much more does Butler have to be able to pay him. If he’s looking to get paid, then might as well throw 2MM at him and see if he chases the paycheck.

I’m not beneath buying a coach. Just spend the money wisely.

Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Mar 28, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

*beneath… duh above. I’m a moron who needs more coffee

Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Mar 28, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s never gonna have talent on the level of North Carolina, Duke, Kansas, UCLA, etc. Those teams will get NBA lottery level talent every year. And he simply will not ever be in a position to get that talent at Butler.

For some coaches, that doesn’t matter. For some, it does. That, along with the money, make me think that Stevens will be leaving Butler sometime in the next few years. And with his stock being sky high right now, it would be a perfect time for him to leave Butler, especially if he knows its not where he wants to be long term.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Mar 28, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say he's hit his ceiling at Butler

But I think his team will actually be better next year, talent wise. Doesn’t mean he won’t leave and winning tournament games is a crapshoot (see: this whole damn year), but overall they should be better. Hayward and Mack will be juniors and they only lose two seniors so he could have something special there again.

I can’t really tell if he’d jump this year or would coach another year at Butler. Either way, if he leaves he’s in line for a payday and I’d bet Butler is trying to line up an extension and pay raise now

by Brian Floyd on Mar 28, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Random blog quotes KEZI!

Tubby isn’t a candidate! You know you can take that to the bank. Random sources are gold.

Onto Jamie Dixon!

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Mar 28, 2010 9:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Well, random sources are great.

But if it was on Twitter, then it would be golden.

Self-annointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.

by CaDuck on Mar 28, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, this is a lot less work than actually writing new material. FYI, should be back Tuesday, I’ve been traveling/preparing for a job interview the past two weeks. I would apologize, but I don’t owe you bastards a damn thing.

They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
Addicted to Quack, the home of Tako Tuesdays

by Takimoto on Mar 28, 2010 10:14 AM PDT reply actions  

fixed

Wow, this is a lot less work than actually writing new material kind of funny. FYI, should be back Tuesday, I’ve been traveling/preparing for a job interview the past two weeks Sitting on my ass while the ATQ kingdom crumbles around me. I would apologize, but I don’t owe you bastards a damn thing. have a golden parachute.

I can haz footbawl?

by axemen23 on Mar 28, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Sitting on my ass while the ATQ kingdom crumbles..."

So, Tako is like the Nero of our Roman empire? FIRE TAKO (AND BENZDUCK FROM THE AD CHAIR)!!!

Self-annointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.

by CaDuck on Mar 28, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Benzduck fiddled while AtQ burned.

BENZDUCK FOR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR!
Why the hell not?

by benzduck on Mar 28, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are CGI and 3d dumbing down the quality of movies?

Yes. Without a doubt.

It reminds me in some ways about computer games when the graphics started to get really good. Everyone got in this race to create the best graphics known to man, and didn’t spend time on gameplay, storyline, etc.

3d could do the same thing to movies, if everyone spends the bulk of their work on the cinematography and CGI, and not on the story. Avatar looked great, but it won’t be a lasting movie because it’s story was not very good. I’d rather have a movie that doesn’t look quite as good, but has some level of depth to it.

But then again, look at the level of movies being produced in America. Valentine’s Day, Avatar, Alice in Wonderland, Dear John. These are the #1 movies over the past few weeks. Ugh.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Mar 28, 2010 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Personally,

I dont like the 3-D trend in movies. Tickets are ridiculously expensive, and the movie itself gets tough on the eyes after a while (or in Avatar’s case, 3 hours). I am however curious to see sports in 3-D.

Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.

by CaDuck on Mar 28, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I completely disagree.

Yeah, the CGI and 3d movies are of lesser quality plot and such, but it’s not like it’s a brain drain for the rest of Hollywood.

I didn’t see Kathryn Bigelow going “Wow, I need to compete with my ex Jim’s Avatar… let’s get Michael Bay in here and have some big ass transformer suits and explosions galore.”

I also disagree about the video games. However, I want to be clear first on which generation you’re speaking of. “When graphics started to get really good” was in which wave of video game technology? Like, when the Halo generation started coming in?

Addicted To Quack [dot] com
I have a Ropert is God™ complex.

by qrsouther on Mar 28, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

When graphics started to get really good

Relative. When the PS2 came out, I thought Madden 2001 was the most amazing looking game ever. We haven’t touched the surface of what can be done with graphics. People will look back 10 years from now and complain about how crappy the graphics were in Halo, COD, etc.

--Dominic, Addicted to Quack

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Mar 28, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I was wondering about.

It depends on what Jared considers really good. I’d say that there was no sacrifice when the N64s (which had many games with stellar graphics for that day) were paramount. The plots to the Zelda games were all great, gameplay was fresh because of the assortment of weapons, and the graphics were only hindered by fewer polygons than they have now.

We haven’t touched the surface of what can be done with graphics.

Cue nerd with a lisp voice! “Video game graphics have only come so far!”

Addicted To Quack [dot] com
I have a Ropert is God™ complex.

by qrsouther on Mar 28, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was talking more about PC games, because that’s what I was playing while growing up. There was a definite period during the late 90s, early 2000s when all developers were trying to push the envelope in graphics (that will always continue), but gameplay suffered. Some games (like half life) ended up shining through, but there was a whole lot of mediocrity in that era.

Graphics and technology will always improve, but when you let that control your process, I don’t think you’ll be successful. The best games of the past few years (Fallout 3, Bioshock, etc.) aren’t games that are trying to push the envelope graphically, but have put their efforts into the story and gameplay.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Mar 28, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would say that Bioshock did its fair share of graphic creation.

And that’s actually one example I was going to use. Bioshock did tons with water effects specifically. Being set in a city at the bottom of the Atlantic, that was expected. But it’s nonetheless stunning graphically. That’s probably what makes it considered such a great game; they combined awesome story with fluid and interpretive gameplay and a stunning setting with good graphics. What games from more recent times have suffered a lack of gameplay and storyline for graphics?

Half-Life was an awesome game through and through. If you look at the graphics, they’re cool for the day, but it’s not like they’d look awe-inspiring on a 65" TV. They look for the most part the same as most of those N64/PC games from that era. There are crappy video games made in every generation. Was there some sort of Great Video Game Purge of 1996 that I never heard about where Half-Life and Zelda and Goldeneye were the only video games that floated while others sank?

Addicted To Quack [dot] com
I have a Ropert is God™ complex.

by qrsouther on Mar 28, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not talking about console games at all. I’m talking about PC gaming exclusively. I think that when console games were becoming big (with N64), PC game developers (generally, there were exceptions) focused on pushing the envelope technologically rather than worrying about overall gameplay.

An example of this in recent years is Crysis, probably the most technologically astounding game ever made, and its simply just not all that good. Crysis and Bioshock came out the same year, and there’s really no comparison in graphics. But Bioshock is a far superior game.

And now PC gaming is pretty much a thing of the past. There are a lot of reasons for that, but IMO, it seems like a lot of the big developers got wrapped in in the graphics race, and lost sight of making great games.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Mar 28, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

This here is the heart of the matter.

I haven’t played PC games since I was 12 years old, so I can’t track the graphics race as it were for computer games.

Addicted To Quack [dot] com
I have a Ropert is God™ complex.

by qrsouther on Mar 28, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

It seems like most of the big business in PC gaming is MMORPG’s (thanks WoW!), where graphics are nice, but clearly take a backseat to content and gameplay/social mechanics..

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Mar 28, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well… with something like World of Warcraft, graphics are only there so that the players won’t scratch their eyes out. They want them to be kinda crappy to keep data transfer low, and to be able to hit as large of an audience as possible.

With all these the same, but it had graphics that compared to Crysis, WoW wouldn’t have become so ridiculously huge.

its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"

by JShufelt on Mar 29, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whatever happened to Pong?

BENZDUCK FOR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR!
Why the hell not?

by benzduck on Mar 28, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think games and movies are incredibly different. Games have a “chose your own destiny” feature to them that allows for the story to become secondary to the graphics and game play. Therefore, a game with a relatively decent storyline but stellar graphics will seem out of this world (Assassin’s Creed), while even a good game with good graphics will seem decent (this also will explain why a lot of games don’t translate well to the big screen).

Actually, I want a movie with a great storyline (first and foremost) and great graphics and CGI second. There are a lot of movies I watch over and over again to this day that didn’t have the best graphics at the time but had a great story, whereas, there are a ton of movies that had the best graphics of their time, but just don’t have the staying power (I suspect Avatar will end up in this camp).

Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Mar 28, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Assassin’s Creed

Assassin’s Creed, if anything, is ultimately lacking in gameplay while having a definite forte in storyline. That’s just my opinion.

And what also must be considered is that nothing can sink an excellent story for a movie like crappy, unrealistic, or over-the-top CGI. I think this is part of what hurt District 9.

Addicted To Quack [dot] com
I have a Ropert is God™ complex.

by qrsouther on Mar 28, 2010 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Personally, I don’t want the CGI in a movie to be bad or amazing. I want it to just be good enough to suspend my disbelief and focus on the movie.

I don’t want to go “Wow. Look, you can see the pours in the slimy alien’s skin!” and I don’t want to go “… BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! LOOK AT… HAHAHAHAHAH!! SOOOO BAD!”

its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"

by JShufelt on Mar 29, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

The example of Hurt Locker, while nice, is not the rule. It’s the exception. I think that a lot of the great storytellers have moved on from movies, and into other mediums, like TV. In the last decade, there have been a lot of great TV shows while it seems that movies have dropped off as a medium for storytelling.

I think part of that has been the rise of DVD, DVR, and the Internet, so people can easily catch up on TV shows. Movies were great before because you only had to invest two hours, as opposed to being at the same place and time every week. Now, you can watch shows when you want, and writers have so much more freedom.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Mar 28, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just used the Hurt Locker because it trumped a CGI-heavy film in Avatar last year.

I’d say computer graphics has stayed its course and it’s done well for itself. Kids films like Shrek, Up, Toy Story have all been just in the right place. There’s CGI in most every film, too. Are the ones that are primarily CGI the ones that bother you?

Addicted To Quack [dot] com
I have a Ropert is God™ complex.

by qrsouther on Mar 28, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

It has nothing to do with CGI in and of itself.

But any technology is merely a tool to tell your story. When you become consumed with the tool, rather than the story, it will obviously suffer.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Mar 28, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

What I want to know, though, is how the tool is hurting the whole industry?

You have your Jim Cameron and your Michael Bay and your George Lucas, but there are other filmmakers, and those are the ones that are really the breadwinners for the meaningful categories at the awards shows. Avatar didn’t win Best Picture for a reason, and that’s because it’s shallow, and the academy recognized that. Avatar wasn’t even up for Best Screenplay. They have a whole nother category the CGI movies, which is where they should be.

If at some point a special effects extravaganza has a storyline, great acting, great directing, and some sort of intriguing hook to it, I see no reason as to why it should not win best picture (depending on the field of that year’s nominees of course.)

My point is only that CGI films aren’t ruining the standards. If anything, it could be argued that with the advent of CGI being a serious contender in film, it will push the other non-CGI film purists to make better films based on what film is all about — great story, acting, setting, and directing.

Addicted To Quack [dot] com
I have a Ropert is God™ complex.

by qrsouther on Mar 28, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you’re big problem is looking at the Oscars as an accurate snapshot of the movie landscape in America. I don’t think the Oscar’s are as meaningful as they used to be. In my mind, good movies are just much fewer and farther between. Look at the movies that dominate the Box Office and are available to most of America.

Again, this has absolutely nothing to do with CGI or any technology. Good filmmakers will be able to use technology to their own ends, and not be controlled by it.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Mar 28, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again, this has absolutely nothing to do with CGI or any technology. Good filmmakers will be able to use technology to their own ends, and not be controlled by it.

In that case, I’m confused on what we’re arguing about now.

Addicted To Quack [dot] com
I have a Ropert is God™ complex.

by qrsouther on Mar 28, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

My general point is that most of the movies out today suck. I don’t think that 3d will help that, because it will simply further distract filmmakers from what really matters.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Mar 28, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Personally, I see CGI as a crutch for many filmmakers. No longer are they forced to pursue a solution creatively – they can just CGI it.

I still think some of the best CGI in any movie is Jurassic Park – why? Because I don’t care about them, and they flawlessly mixed it with some actual robotics to give the actors something to actually work off of (As opposed to actors with a blue screen) – and that was in ‘93. I watch it, and I don’t think “Oh… look at the T-Rex’s muscles flexing as he’s running at them”, I think “OOOHHH MYYY GOD! THERE’S A MOTHER FUCKING T-REX FUCKING CHASING THEM!”

its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"

by JShufelt on Mar 29, 2010 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

very good point about the oscars

It is too bad that making an ass ton money is more important than a good product. I loved Avitar (I want to work in SFX, it gave me a boner, sue me), but that was not a best picture type of movie. We just don’t get those any more and the oscars have suffered.

 I missed the boat on this thread but I would sum up my feelings as: Before the CGI revolution people made films, during and after people were/are making movies. Its a bit snobby, but there is a big difference and yes, exceptions.

I Don't Yell O I SCREAM!

by trumpetduck on Mar 28, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm confused.

What do you think is wrong with Avatar?

Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.

by CaDuck on Mar 28, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes I know,

The plot was awful.

Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.

by CaDuck on Mar 28, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

its an action sci fi movie

Were you expecting a story? Thats what the genre is, a reused story or a bad one, just in space with cool action.

I Don't Yell O I SCREAM!

by trumpetduck on Mar 29, 2010 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m sure everyone’s bracket looks like an essay that AllSaintsDay just got done grading with how many red marks are on it.

While I do mark up things with horrible amounts of red, it would be people’s algebra work, not their essays.

Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)

by AllSaintsDay on Mar 28, 2010 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

MD – This question sounds creepy, but really isn’t. How old is your daughter? We were thinking about taking our three (almost four) year old son to see the dragon movie, so I just wanted to get an idea of how you think it would be for him. He loves cartoons (favorite is Phineas and Ferb), but I didn’t know what age group it’s appropriate for. Thanks.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Mar 28, 2010 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Not inappropriate at all. Dragon movie is great for all ages. I took my 9 year old and 6 year old daughter to see it. My 6 year old got scared when she thought the boy was going to die or the bad guys win (plus it was WAAAAY past her bedtime) so she was tired too, but no nightmares and afterwards she talked about how much she loved it.

I would recommend not doing the 3D though. Wearing the glasses for the entire movie for a 6 or under is tough. Otherwise, I suggest EVERYONE see it. I loved that movie.

Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Mar 28, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Axemen23 Ebay of the Day

something for tako and quinn to wear next year in the event of a jersey contest tie

I can haz footbawl?

by axemen23 on Mar 28, 2010 9:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog and fan community.

ATQ Twitter Feed


Managers

207873_1005773153454_1498651968_14034_9616_n_small David Piper

Pre_small ntrebon

Img_0525_small jtlight

Mostinteresting_small Takimoto

Domsicecream_small dvieira

Editors

Pettingzoo_small PaulSF

Atq-spoon-5_small Matt Daddy

Authors

Ryan__rusty_small jcgoducks

N679617597_457761_5158_small kanders4

Small nds500