Jamie Dixon staying at Pitt
ESPN's Andy Katz is reporting that Pitt has called a presser to announce a contract extension for Jamie Dixon.
Damn.
Won't somebody love us?
Not sure where we go from here. Anybody have Brad Stevens' phone number?
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Or OS territory where they asked about 200 coaches if they'd listen to them
and settled for a gimmick hire in the President’s BIL.
That "gimmick hire" worked out well for them
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
If by “well” you mean their only notable achievement is sweeping us this year, then yes, I suppose it did.
we'd call it a success if we swept them
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
we would?
I’m looking for tourney appearances myself.
My parents don't believe in Canzano either.
by Bill Musgrave on Apr 1, 2010 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I say we go after one of the young up and coming guys now:
Brad Stevens, Tad Boyle, Ben Jacobson
NOT:
Tubby Smith, Randy Bennett, Dave Rose (BYU)
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
I'd rather give it to Dunlap than Tubby
--Dave
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by David Piper on Mar 31, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
another guy Oregon should take a hard look at, and I know his current employer has no chance of matching Oregon’s money is Scott Drew of Baylor
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
yes, yes, yes
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Mar 31, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, when did we turn into Axemen23 on a Friday night?
“Hey baby, you wanna go catch a movie or maybe coach our basketball team?”
“I can’t, I left my cat in the oven.”
by JonathanPDX on Mar 31, 2010 12:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
What I've been saying from the beginning, IF YOU ARE GOING TO FIRE KENT...
who are you going to replace him with! So far, we have simply been a fantastic opportunity for great coaches to get a raise, wonderful. Now I realize the sky has not fallen yet and I’m acting like it, but this is starting to worry me. No, we are not getting Izzo. If we were getting Few it would have already happened (and the fact they just hired an assistant makes me think it is dead), I don’t want Tubby, I sure as shiz don’t want P.J. or Alford. Next year, if Kent would have choked then it would have been totally legit to fire him and take a chance on somebody young and up and coming. This year, if you fired him then you better have a proven and veteran coach to replace him. It is looking like they did not.
maybe...
5 Tourney appearances in 15 seasons? I thought we were going after consistency here.
How do you spell asshat? C-L-O-W-N-Z-A-N-O.
because...
Ernie was a better coach, recruiter, mentor, and person. A colleague here at work is an Iowa alum. They have no love lost for Alford. He hated being second fiddle to football and he was mediocre at best. He has only been successful in weak conferences. He failed in a power conference. You want to fire Ernie for him?
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
So Ernie coaches another year and gets fired then
Why would we have more success in attracting a good coach then than we are now?
For the record, I would have loved to have seen Ernie have a monster year this year and keep his job . . . but I HATED the embarrassing way we lost so many games the past few years. We went to the game in Little Rock when we last made the tourney . . . led by 10 at the half and lost by 10 to Mississippi State. Too many of those games!
For every Missouri and Mississippi State
… there was a Georgetown win, a Texas win, a Kansas win, etc.
Maybe because the stadium is already built, the coach ACTUALLY knows who is boss is going to be (or her if she is Pat Summit :) ) … Also, it puts a nail in the Kent decision. I know Ernie would have made the tourney next year. You know it, I know it. If he didn’t it would have been a monumental failure and easy to let him go. At that point you are not firing the winningest coach in school history; you are firing the winningest coach in school history who lost his mojo completely.
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I know Ernie would have made the tourney next year. You know it, I know it.
Ummm, I know no such thing. I think that’s a pretty ridiculous statement to make, given the team’s recent history, Ernie’s noted lack of ability to develop players, and the sheer number of returning players from this year’s team.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Uh, did you watch any games the last two years? That team was lost on both ends of the court. Why in the world would you want to open your slick new arena with that mess on the court? If he didn’t fix it last year, or this year, what makes you think next year would be different?
Give me a break guys... History is the best
indicator for future success. Ernie succeded with veterans.
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
You are so willing...
to toss out the magical elite eight runs, conference tournament championships, and conference championships because of one atrocious year and a bad year and a handful of mediocre years.
Guess what? He remains the only coach in the northwest to go to the elite 8,…. guess what… he did it… TWICE!
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I did forget about the magic.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
by Gorbachav5 on Mar 31, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
in 13 seasons
he had a winning Pac-10 record four times. His teams were largely undisciplined, poor defensively, and without a clue offensively.
He did some great things here, and should be commended for such. He was the right man at the right time. But that time had passed.
Two elite eights were great. He had about five good years here. The other eight were unbearable.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Without a clue offensively?
what are you talking about? Didn’t Ernie’s teams average over 80 points a game regularly… two years… two years… not tolerable? Luke and Luke winning the conference tourney was not tolerable for you even though they did not go deep in the tournament? Brandon Lincoln making his last stand and almost winning the tournament again was not tolerable for you? Give me a break. What do you expect us to be Kentucky? Don’t even try with that Pac ten number. Look at the Big Easts conference records this year. A .500 conference record all but guarantees you a tourney birth in the Pac ten
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Which team still in the tourney are averaging 80 points. Scoring is not the end all be all of basketball. Scoring more than your opponent is.
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
Again, I said five good years
the other ones were unbearable. Yes, Luke and Luke was fun. But were the last two years fun? Were watching AB and Malik and those guys suck for three years fun? Or having Malik and Maarty and Bryce barely squeak into the tourney and lose to a team with inferior talent?
I don’t expect us to be Kentucky or UNC. But I think we could be a Purdue/Wisconsin/Pitt type team.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
True as that may be, that isn’t the direction the Oregon athletic department wants to take with the basketball program. Especially with the new arena, this administration is making it clear that it will not stand for three years of mediocre basketball to get to one NCAA Regional. They don’t want the program to win with veterans. They want the program to win. They want a competitive team every year. Ernie Kent has not proven he can deliver that, and has underachieved with the talent he has given. The talent of Brooks, Hairston, Taylor, and Leunen should have done more than one run in the tourney.
They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
Addicted to Quack, the home of Tako Tuesdays
Look I get it I get it...
who is going to get us that consistency? There are plenty of good coaches in the Pac ten that are not consistent.
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
And I don’t want any of them to coach our team.
They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
Addicted to Quack, the home of Tako Tuesdays
... then who?
Who are we going to get? Obviously it is not Few, Dixon, Turgeon… Who is going to be so much better than all the other good Pac ten coaches who are not consistent?
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
We’d never know if we stuck with EK.
They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
Addicted to Quack, the home of Tako Tuesdays
One more year man... one more year...
You give me Izzo… nice knowing you EK but thanks for getting me Izzo… you give me an unproven quantity.. no thanks… I’ll take my tourney run next year in the new stadium.
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll take my tourney run next year in the new stadium.
That’s a HUGE assumption
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
Respectfully...
disagree… We would have made the tournament next year…look at the competition, look at history, look at the talent… not to mention THE HUGE ADDITION BY SUBTRACTION OF TP and the potential huge addition of a certain Mr. Jones.
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You really should take off your Kent colored glasses...
There’s no way we’d make a tourney run next year with Kent as coach. There is no NBA talent on the team. We only had significant runs in the tourney with NBA talent. And Jones wasn’t coming to Oregon.
When we had borderline NBA talent, we were good for a 5th round Pac-10 finish and if we were lucky, a first round tourney loss to inferior talent.
But yeah, let’s bring back Kent.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Let’s assume you’re right, Ernie goes to the tourney next year, you gonna fire him then? No. So you wait out a couple more inconsistent years, wait for another 2-3 losing Pac seasons and we are right in the same spot we are now.
What’s the point in waiting. We know what type of coach Ernie is, and it was time to move on.
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
yep
we know what Ernie is. Its time to see if we can take the next step.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Only after 2 years of inconsistency, the shine on the new building has worn off, and suddenly it doesn’t sound so good to be paying premium prices for a sub-par product. This was the right time.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
except those two years...
were likely good years… Ernie succeeded with veterans…
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
and... so does
every other coach in the NCAA??? Am I missing something? No NBA talent = no tournament unless you are in a crappy conference.
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
So there’s no reason not to move on from Ernie then. If any other coach can do just as good a job with NBA talent.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Can said coach
recruit NBA talent to Eugene Oregon?
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Considering we haven’t had any NBA talent the last few years, sure.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
That is simply not true.
He succeeded with NBA talent.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
So I think I get your main point, you want Ernie to have 9 out of 14 losing season before you’d fire him instead of 8 out of 13?
That ninth one would put you over the top and signify who EK was as a coach?
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
yes...
which is what I said initially… though… I care to look at Kent’s tenure as… only coach in the Northwest to do X, Y, and Z.
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
and once again are you going to fire him then? No. You lose 10 guys who are seniors and you’re rebuilding and inconsistent all over again.
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
No...I'll go to the tourney next year..
when all those guys are seniors… duh?
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Next year isn’t the tourney run. I think the mid-season adjustment to the new building is going to be tougher than we think, it’ll only be Armstead’s second season as the starting PG, which wasn’t a deep tourney run season for Luke or Brooks (if you want to talk history), and this bunch of recruits has shown less growth than the Malik-Bryce-Maarty class had at this point.
They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
Addicted to Quack, the home of Tako Tuesdays
You’ll know when I know. And if it’s not the right guy, I will be just as much on top of that as I am that Ernie is not the right guy. I don’t want a coaching change for change sake, but if we didn’t let Ernie go, we’d never know if we could have something better
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
Guess what? He remains the only coach in the northwest to go to the elite 8,…. guess what… he did it… TWICE!
That’s a little bit of damning with faint praise, don’t you think? That’s like saying “of all the Ford Pintos, mine broke down LEAST!”
by jcolomy on Mar 31, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ha! For every Kansas win, there was an Illinois loss, or a Kansas loss, or any other number of uncompetitive losses. These big wins seem much fewer and farther between when the Ducks can’t even be competitive in 1/2 their games.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Or a Portland State loss or a Oakland loss or a St. Marys loss
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Or a St Mary’s loss twice
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
Or an Oakland loss twice.
They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
Addicted to Quack, the home of Tako Tuesdays
Oakland kind of is, twice
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
St. Mary's isn't something to be ashamed of
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
Losing to them 3 years in a row is something to be ashamed of.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Wow...
love to talk with a bunch of people who only remember the losses…
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s not hard when there are more bad losses than good wins.
They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
Addicted to Quack, the home of Tako Tuesdays
No, I remember the wins......
going into LA and getting two last minute wins to take the conference title in ’01, or Freddie being amazing down the stretch in the tourney to beat Texas and Wake Forest. Or beating Kansas in the Rose Garden. Or going on the road and shocking Georgetown. Problem was, there are a LOT, and I mean a LOT more bad losses than good wins.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
How is that possible?
Ernie had a winning record. But thank you for showing some optimism.
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Now you’re just being obstinate.
There are great wins, and there are bad losses. Ernie Kent had far more bad losses than great wins.
That’s very difference from straight up wins and losses.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Please for the love of everything holy...
don’t make me go back to his record and calculate bad losses over bad wins… you are pushing me to it…
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Go right on ahead.
You’re going to get four years in and realize that one column is a lot heavier than the other, and that it’s proving your point wrong.
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I have a Ropert is God™ complex.
Yes
This is why we all love Belotti he won more big games than he lost, you can’t say that about Kent. Belotti will go down a legend, while Kent will be just another coach when they write the history of Oregon athletics.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
just another coach???
you mean… the current winningest coach in school history?
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Just another coach is pushing it. As the years pass, we’ll remember Ernie Kent as a coach who took a sub-par program and brought it back to relevancy.
They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
Addicted to Quack, the home of Tako Tuesdays
agreed here
Ernie was more than just another coach.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
I love Kent personally
but the last couple of years were a total disaster, and this team had no fundamental, played no defense, and had no concept of offense other than jacking up bad threes. His time here had passed. You know it. I know it.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
No... his teams played inconsistently...
there were times this year when they team played great defense. There were very few good offensive games however. and “I know no such thing,” but I would have if he failed next year. Then I would have KNOWN his time was gone. You fire him and bring me Tom Izzo, Jamie Dixon, Mark Turgeon, Mark Few, okay… I get it… Ernie was not good ENOUGH and we can get someone better. You fire Ernie and bring me Alford or an unproven coach in a major conference? Just wait and see what everybody will be saying if that coach does not perform.
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
every team has times where they do things well
Well coached teams do them consistently. The inconsistency is exactly why Ernie needed to go.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Every team has degrees
of inconsistency… How did good old Roy Williams do this year? Who is going to get you your consistency? What Pac ten coach other than Lut has been completely consistent?
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
It is so easy to poke holes in everything...
very hard to get real solutions that drive improvement.
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
This we agree on. It is hard to get real solutions and PK and PK2 are finding that out right now.
Ernie was not a real solution.
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
There is a difference...
between direct comparisons and supporting evidence…
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup, especially this year
There was always a 5-6 minute period in every game where the team would forget how to play and get their ass kicked. That’s unacceptable.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Apparently we haven’t contacted Gonzaga about talking to Few either.
I’m still not concerned. When this thing started out, did anyone thing we’d even be talking to a coach like Dixon? It’s more an egg on the face of Knight and Kilkenny than anything else.
I know that some want a big name, but I’d be pretty darn happy with a young coach that can build a program and get the team to play some good basketball. We don’t need a big name. We need a good coach.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
The problem is...
the drum beat was always we need to sell tickets to the new stadium. Only a big name coach will do that. If you hire an up and comer you might as well have stuck it out with Ernie one more year. If Ernie failed next year it would be a no brianer decision to fire him and we would be happy with anybody.
You say we don’t need a big name, and I agree. The problem is that the administration says we do. So we fail if we don’t get it, and I think it makes the Ernie firing look bad and foolish in hindsight.
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
The drumbeat was for selling tickets only because most of the fanbase had totally given up on Ernie. I gave up on him two years ago because I got tired of watching crappy basketball.
The new arena will sell itself for the 1 1/2 years. In my mind, there’s no need to get a big name coach right now. We need a coach that will be successful. Knight and Kilkenny might be getting in a dick-swining contest, but that’s really not important. What’s important is that we get a good coach. That’s the only thing that will get the arena to sell out in the long run.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Sinceit sponsors a jersey contest and a bracket contest, and we have a fantasy baseball league,
can we get AtQ to sponsor a dick-swinging contest? I’d pay to see it. And think of the related Duck swag for prizes!
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 31, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed
That’s why we can’t get Tubby. We need a good coach.
Throw money after Drew or Stevens. But if they don’t come, take a serious look at a guy like Mike Rice.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Given up?
Have you ever checked attendance percentages in the rest of the conference? I hardly call that giving up. You gave up on him the year after he took us to the elite eight and ended with a first round loss in a game we should have won?
Yes, it will sell itself. I believe that. So it would have sold itself out for Ernie. You give him one more year with his guys and one year in the arena. If he fails, new coach. If he is mediocre, new coach. If he succeeds, well then you don’t have to worry about bloating the athletic budget because you have a lifer.
I agree with YOUR thoughts on the matter. We don’t need a huge name in the end, but you sure do now that you just fired a proven winner to take a chance on an up and commer if eventually that is what we settle on.
Fans are leaving in large numbers. We shouldn’t be comparing ourselves to other fanbases. We should be filling up the Pit every night. There’s really no excuse for not doing that. We’re not doing that because fans are tired of being uncompetitive and watching a travesty of a product on the floor.
And yes, I gave up on the team after they lost to Miss St. in 2007. I hated that team. When they lost, I thought to myself, “I’m glad I don’t have to watch this team anymore.” That, to me, was the year Kent was exposed. That team had a ton of talent, much more than we have now. But that team underachieved all season, was barely in the top half of the Pac-10 (tied for fifth), and had the exact same issues we’ve seen over the past two years, but was able to mask it most of the time with talent. It’s not good basketball, and I got tired of watching it.
I was a bummed when Kent was fired. He’s a great guy, and was great for this program. But then I watched the NCAA tournament, and was exposed to good basketball again. I’m no longer sad. I’m looking forward to watching well-played basketball again.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
by jtlight on Mar 31, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
I wish I could rec this twice because its dead on.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Two words...
Tajuan Porter… Kent did not know how to handle Tajuan Porter…
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Not only is it Kent’s fault, but he had issues many times in his career with other talent. With Luke and Luke, he can finish 5th in the Pac-10?
With Maarty, Malik, and Bryce, 5th?
Tajuan had his issues, but these issues were seen long before, they just became magnified under Tajuan.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Kent could not coach without a star PG
To run the offense.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Just to be clear...
and if we were sitting here talking to face to face instead of me having to respond to being disagreed with at all angles… I believe that the TP thing is Kent’s fault… I believe his bloated 08 recruiting class is his fault… should he have been given some deference for that mistake? Perhaps… perhaps one more year.
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant to say in between...
disagreed at all angles and “I believe Tp is kent’s fault” … I could effectively communicate all my positions on Kent… but right now I can’t…
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
As I said before, I am tired of watching a crap product. I hate watching Ernie Kent coached basketball teams. They don’t know how to play fundamental basketball, and Kent never demanded that from them. I don’t believe that Kent would have been successful next year (top 4 of the Pac-10 lets say), and he didn’t deserve another chance. He had that chance this year, and didn’t succeed.
Yes, there were good times with Kent, but to me, they don’t make up for all the bad times.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
You are over the top
“Don’t know how to play fundamental basketball.” Big men did not develop, other players did. They knew how to play fundamental basketball. Last two years no. Meet me at the REC sometime, I’ll show you how to play fundamental basketball and we will see if you know anything about it to assert such a position :).
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
They knew how to play fundamental basketball.
Now you’re making me want to break out the stat machine. Fundamentals were not one of Oregon’s strong areas over Ernie Kent’s tenure.
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
Please find me the fundamentals stat
ten fundamentals a game… -2, -3? and let’s be fair here… I said his big men did not develop… I don’t believe his big men played fundamental basketball…
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
see
I take this and believe he didn’t know how to develop big men.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
that is what I said...
I think that is obvious… Kent did not know how to develop big men.
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Tunrovers, efficient %, true TO %‘s rebound %, assist %. I’ll gladly put the post together, and if I’m wrong, I’ll eat my plate of crow. I just don’t think I am.
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
sigh...
this is what I was trying to avoid… a journey to the stat machine… though standby…
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Uhh, I think it’s the overwhelming consensus here that Kent’s teams were not good at fundamental basketball. There was little passion for doing all the little things. They did not play good defense (over the entire course of Ernie’s career), nor did they do things like pass or rebound with consistency.
Saying that Kent’s teams played fundamental basketball with any consistency is simply laughable.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
you are painting this with quite the broad brush...
Jackson? Freddie? Maarty? Taylor? Ridnour? Brooks?
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Ernie, on the whole, did not instill fundamental play in his players, and they did not leave Oregon playing better fundamental basketball than when they started. I would argue this pretty much across the board.
With the players that you bring up, that doesn’t matter. They were NBA level players. For players not as talented, fundamental play matters greatly, and Ernie didn’t get the best out of them on the court.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Sheesh, that's six guys out of something like 150 that played for Kent.
A good number more of his kids looked discouraged, lost, disinterested over the years, without fundamentals. A few even came in highly touted and never progressed.
What you are alluding to with a list of six guys is individual fundamentals, which yes, a coach can develop and encourage, but in large part these come from the individual. Guys like Rid have a passion and have taken the fundamentals upon themselves every day since they first pick up a basketball. It’s hard to give Kent credit for a guy like that, you’s say you were really a fuck up as a coach if he lost that passion or stopped caring about just how well his shooting form was, his free throw percentage was, his ability to set and come off a screen, etc. Does anyone actually argue that Brooks became a more accurate passer, for example, because of Ernie? Sorry, no, he let talent loose and let guys play and I actually think that’s a good thing… but failed to realize success is based both that AND a fundamental basis.
Based on the six guys above + a few more out of the full gamut, I’d argue overall Kent was not successful in getting guys interested in individual fundamentals because, well, he didn’t seem interested himself. Lazy screens, lazy defense, lazy rebounding, all of it, every year.
There’s also team fundamentals which require the coach to know what the fuck he is doing and to care about them. Team defense is a fundamental that requires a coordinated effort – when to switch, exactly where to fall back when your guy doesn’t have the ball, etc. Did we ever have a team that you thought just locked down on D? We had some quick guys that can make a steal (individually), but when the hell did we have a well adjusting, swarming defense? Finding a way to send the offense through the post is another fundamental that requires the dude in charge to know how to make it happen. He didn’t. There’s so many other normal, simple things EK didn’t do. In short:
Getting out on the run in full court and hitting the three appear to be the only thing Ernie cared to instill in the team, for all 13 years. There’s no question these are valuable aspects to the game, and work when you’ve got NBA shooters and creators like Brooks or Luke2Luke2Jones.
it’s just quite frankly a joke that that the rest of the game was ignored, as one can give a shit about defense (and the rest of the game) as well as the 3.
My parents don't believe in Canzano either.
by Bill Musgrave on Mar 31, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
how about we wait until it is sunny...
we’ll meet at the courts behind the dorms… you can fundamental me to death… or I will fundamental you to 11- 0
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Jared is like Billy Hoyle man. Don’t let the funky set shot fool ya’.
"Maybe your parents didn't believe in you."
by MarineCorpsDuck on Mar 31, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
YO MAMA!
FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT AFTER SCHOOL!
"Maybe your parents didn't believe in you."
by MarineCorpsDuck on Mar 31, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
That 2007 Miss St loss was when I was done with Kent also
of coarse I was in Basketball Band the next year, but I was not happy. All those seniors, argh.
I Don't Yell O I SCREAM!
The bottom line
In 13 years, Ernie’s teams only finished higher than 5th in the Pac-10 four times.. the only four years we won more Pac-10 games than we lost.
If you can’t regularly finish in the upper division in your conference, you can’t expect to stay employed forever, absent photos of the college president stuffing a dead cheerleader in his trunk.
BENZDUCK FOR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR!
Why the hell not?
Remember how excited we were with the Super Sophs?
Malik, Bryce, Maarty, Champ..
The mighty mite TP raining 3s from Glenwood..
And Brooks running the show with all that talent. Admit it, we all thought the best was yet to come with that group. They’d all be seniors in ’06-07. The media was drooling over them.
Then they went and lost at Oakland. It was downhill from there to the tournament. I shared your disgust with that MSU game, the way they just refused to even think about getting the ball inside, hiking up 3 after 3 after 3, watching something like 20 of them go astray in the 2nd half.
I don’t like seeing guys who are really passionate and loyal lose their jobs. And I’ll always have a soft spot for the guys who were at Oregon when I was there.
But I’m over it.
BENZDUCK FOR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR!
Why the hell not?
Is there are Basketball coach named Bert anywhere in the US?
Can we transfer from Ernie to Bert?
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
Duckity Duck
I get it, you wanted EK to have one more year (whether that is out of respect, or because you think he deserved it, is of no matter). The point I think you are missing is that it was not going to change what type of coach Ernie was.
THIS YEAR would have changed that. THIS YEAR he had an opportunity to show if he could develop his talent. THIS YEAR would have shown whether or not he could adapt his offense and game plan with younger guys. THIS YEAR would have shown that Ernie could progress as a coach.
Next year would have just been more of the same, winning or losing – inconsistency. Ernie was who he was as a coach. Good, bad and ugly. Doesn’t change the fact that Oregon needed to move on for a litany of reasons.
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
Well, golly gee gosh darn it.
Chip Kelly-Bustin' Out The Banhammer Since 2009
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 31, 2010 2:20 PM PDT reply actions
All right guys... thank you for the spirited debate...
My position:
I will forever hold my time in the Pit Crew near and dear to my heart.
Ernie Kent was the most successful coach in the Northwest (a tough place to establish a basketball program) during my time with him
Ernie Kent was a great mentor and academic coach
Ernie Kent had some magical years
Ernie Kent loved his University
If you fire Ernie this year you better get somebody PROVEN to replace him
If you had waited a year, it would not have mattered who you replace him with
Ernie had spotty defense
Ernie took a chance on TP and his loyalty cost him
Ernie totally mismanaged his recruiting classes and he got himself into this two year drought……. (though I’ll take developing players over one and dones anyday)
Ernie only had two bad years despite all the pessimism on this board… and mediocre ones…
oh and p.s. I am Jordan Kent and I will see JTlight on the court…
Just for the record, I think Ernie is, was, and will be a great guy. I don’t think any of us are questioning his ability to help young men graduate or be good members of the community. He did huge things for the basketball program and I don’t think anybody here is saying they didn’t enjoy the good times or celebrate the highs he brought us.
The argument is that it’s time for big change to come and, after 2 really ugly seasons, it was the right time to make a move. We can make that argument without being personal about him as a person and he’ll forever be part of our state’s athletic history.
Mostly agree...
with the big names getting raises and telling us no thanks though i am wondering about the timing though…
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
despite all the pessimism on this board
I actually think that this board is being realistic, not pessimistic. Ernie Kent was the best coach in Oregon history. Unfortunately, it was time to move on.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I respect that...
and you better respect my jumper…
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
and no fair...that you guys
know how to make things green…
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
oh and p.s. I am Jordan Kent and I will see JTlight on the court…
I was starting to think you were Ernie himself
and to be fair, Jordan Kent could play extremely un-fundamental basketball and completely destroy most of us at 1 on 1 basketball
I had a shot to see that...
he was playing with the team at the REC once and my wife (then girlfriend) and I were running on the suspended track above them… he said he would “play me one on one for a date with my girl”…
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Our next realistic candidate should be Jay Wright, Bill Self, Roy Williams, or Phil Jackson.
Chip Kelly-Bustin' Out The Banhammer Since 2009
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 31, 2010 2:32 PM PDT reply actions
Jerry Sloan
we’ll pick and roll everyone to death.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
If we want fundamentals...Sloan is the man.
Chip Kelly-Bustin' Out The Banhammer Since 2009
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 31, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, Tebow won’t talk to us, he’s preparing for the Draft
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
I didn't know
People get drafted into Heaven. Tebow is going straight there, right?
I Hate Your Ducks
I am sure you realize this...
but I was joking…
by Duckity_Duck on Mar 31, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
But you weren't joking about Yoda, right?
Fundamental basketball teach you he will.
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 31, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
If concentrate on fundamentals will you not, a player, never will you be.
My parents don't believe in Canzano either.
by Bill Musgrave on Mar 31, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
No Yoda is a go...
but he will get an extention as supreme Jedi Chancellor the minute we offer him… extension get he will…
extension get he will…
There’s the homoeroticsm this thread’s been missing!
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 31, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
What happens if we fail?
Right now it looks like they are willing to spend all the money in the world, on top of having world class facilities. They’re ready to hand over the keys to the newest arena in the country, and yet, the guys they want simply won’t come.
So, what happens if everyone on that list turns us down? We’re swinging for the stars and hitting absolutely nothing, so far all this search has done is make millions for a bunch of guys at other programs. Sure, we could attract a small school coach to step up, but that’s clearly not what Knight wants. What do you think is the backup plan if all the guys on that big-name list turn us down?
REHIRE KENT!
They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
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I’m going to venture to guess that guys as wildly successful as Kilkenny and Knight have a back up plan. I’d be worried if we didn’t have half of what we have going for us. Money, facilities, support, clean slate, etc. All of that will eventually be attractive enough to get a good coach.
Would I like to have Dixon? Yes. Would Izzo be a dream hire? Absolutely. I for one am not panicing yet considering the guys who are driving this search. Let’s be honest, if Knight and Kilkenny cannot get us a good basketball coach, nobody can.
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
It will work out well.
Just be patient. Hell, there is always Chip Kelly.
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
I was just watching some video interviews over at o-live,
And Jordan Holmes is very well spoken and I really like his attitude.
I say we stick him at QB. He may not be as mobile as a Masoli type QB, but he wont be tackled too easily.
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
He's awesome, he was the first dude I hugged when we clinched for the Rose Bowl.
He was really cool.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com
I have a Ropert is God™ complex.
Ok, I’ve seen reply fails, but entire thread fails? CaDuck, you know better than this.
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
So what if I thought this was the Quack Fix.
And so what if I have been hanging around HRD a little too much lately.
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
My real question is whether or not qrsouther replied to you just to be nice, or whether we have a double thread reply fail.
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
I know he's already off the board but...
was there any interest up there in Tim Floyd?
--Conquest Chronicles , SBNation's USC Trojans blog
Okay, just curious
Floyd vs. USC/Garrett would have been great drama for next year, especially with his latest comments on Garrett.
--Conquest Chronicles , SBNation's USC Trojans blog
by Joey Kaufman on Mar 31, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Feel free to have O’Neil sign off on playing UTEP. I wouldn’t want Tim Floyd with 100m of my University. I’m sorry he did what he did to USC.
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
Ernie, what else?
Any truth to the rumor that Mike B quit because he was forced to fire Ernie?
Absurd.
It makes no sense to “quit in protest” if you aren’t going to let the world know why you’re quitting in protest.
Occam’s Razor: He quit because he could have more fun and make more money with less responsibility, while still being paid $25k a month to look for a job. Why is that so hard for people to understand?
BENZDUCK FOR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR!
Why the hell not?
How about this for a resume?
- .711 career record (446-181) in college ball.
- Consecutive 20+ win seasons: 17
- NCAA bids: 16 (14 consecutive)
- Conference titles: 7
- Sweet 16s: 9
- Elite 8s: 4
- National Titles: 1
- Current president, NABC
For some reason, it seems a majority of AtQers believe this guy would be a bad hire.
I don’t get it. Someone enlighten me. I’m old.
BENZDUCK FOR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR!
Why the hell not?
…but he’s old!
They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
Addicted to Quack, the home of Tako Tuesdays
I'll bite
Good resume, yes, but he’s on the downswing. He refuses to play the AAU game that’s almost a necessity in college basketball now. If you want to pull elite recruits, Tubby isn’t going to be your man.
Also, he’s old.
by Brian Floyd on Mar 31, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
You want to pull elite recruits?
Like, say, Tim Floyd did?
Be careful what you wish for.
You can be a successful head coach without playing the one-and-done game.
You can have 17 straight seasons with over 20 wins spanning three decades in coaching by recruiting players who want to play for you and not through you.
Tubby and Ernie both became D1 head coaches in 1991. Thus, it seems fair to compare their relevant records — how they did in their conferences, and how they did post-season. Because that should be our gold standard for success: Compete for the conference title, get into the dance, and win some games.
Over the identical 19 year timespan:
- Tubby’s NCAA tourney record: 33-15. Ernie: 6-6.
- Tubby’s conference record: 217-101 (68%). Ernie: 149-169 (47%).
I fail to see why hiring Smith would not represent a significant upgrade for the Oregon program.
As for age: He’s younger than Roy Williams, and I don’t hear too many accusing Williams of being too old.
BENZDUCK FOR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR!
Why the hell not?
Well, maybe it's an old guy thing, but I'm kinda liking the idea of Tubby Smith, too.
He has looked on the down slope at Minnesota a little bit, but he’s a big name to go with the stadium and really take a shot at another level of recruiting. Maybe the energy of the new stadium, Nike behind him, and a new start energizes his work. More likely he’s a guy that doesn’t need any of that based on his background. One of 17 kids, sharecropper parents and dad had a purple heart, worked a bazillion jobs, strict upbringing. Guy has got to know a little something about grit.
Dunno, doesn’t mean much if he’s lost recruiting or X and O’s ability, but I just kinda like the idea.
My parents don't believe in Canzano either.
by Bill Musgrave on Mar 31, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Can’t be easy to recruit to Minnesota. Hell, they have even less tradition than we have.
And they play in an arena that’s only a year newer than Mac Court.. with no sign of replacement coming anytime soon.
Still, when he got there, they were coming off an 8-20 season and had only won 20 games once under the Baby Monson. Now, they have three straight 20 win seasons.
Doesn’t sound like the record of someone who can’t coach, does it?
BENZDUCK FOR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR!
Why the hell not?
Indeed...
But he’s gone from a 73% winning percentage when he was at UK and prior, to 71% now… the sky is falling!
My parents don't believe in Canzano either.
by Bill Musgrave on Apr 1, 2010 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
And how long to expect this coach to stick around… 2 years? 3,4,5?!? I don’t see it as a long term solution.
Now if you’re going to convince me that Tubby is alright coming in working on the program for 3-4 years max, while Oregon bides its time and waits for who they really want, well then ok, lets see what he can do. I’m almost positive that Oregon will be in a better place 3-4 years later.
But what ties does he have to Oregon? I’m sorry, but age does matter when you’re talking about recruiting, and preparation. And Tubby’s on the downhill side of his career.
Do we really want to go through this all over again 3 years from now? What if he doesn’t succeed. You want to fire him because you think he’s too old to get the job done? There’s a lot of risk and very little long term reward in that pick.
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
Welcome to the world of college coaches.
I don’t think you can assume ANYONE will last >3 years. I’d argue that any big-name coach we could sign is going to be a prime candidate when any more esteemed program has a coaching vacancy next year, or the year after that. Belotti had to fend off bigger offers every year of the last decade it seemed like. That problem’s only going to be magnified if the new basketball coach is a name brand.
I like longevity, too. But one of the reasons Ernie lasted 13 years was probably because of intermittent greatness in a sea of mediocrity. If we want greatness, the fact of the matter is that some bigger, meaner MBB program is going to want it, too. And PK’s not the only billionaire donor out there.
by HoodRiverDuck on Apr 1, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
True, and I wouldn’t mind worrying about the coach getting offers that entice him away. Oregon will do what it needs to do to make Oregon attractive.
I don’t want to worry about the coach leaving for retirement, or having in the back of my mind a question about him not getting the job done because of his age.
Oregon’s MBB is not a retirement home for coaches.
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
One problem for Oregon is that it’s not really better than other places. But it’s not worse either. It’s not like we’re Oregon State during their coaching search, and are a pretty obvious stepping stone to a better job.
With the facilities and connections at Oregon, you’re not gonna be leaving for a lot of other places. UCLA, Kansas, Duke, North Carolina, etc. we won’t compete with. But most moves are going to be very lateral. So we won’t be getting into a situation like WSU, where Tony Bennett left for freaking Virginia.
Once we get a coach, we could end up keeping him around for a while depending on how things fall.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
So what would you rather have?
A coach that leaves in five years for retirement, or one that leaves in 5 years for a better job? I’d argue the coach leaving for a better job because if they were good enough to be swooped up by a bigger name, your program is in a better position. For someone to retire, it means your program could be better, or could be worse. If it’s worse, you’re really screwed.
Oh, and Tony Bennett can go to hell. I’m not bitter
by Brian Floyd on Apr 1, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This, this and oh yeah THIS!!!
Not Tubby
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
You can’t have it both ways. You want a younger coach, but don’t want to go through this again anytime soon.
Don’t you think a younger coach might be MORE likely to move along after 2,3,4,5 years?
Trust me. The older you get, the more comfortable that moss growing under your feet feels.
And, please explain this concept of the age of the head coach being all-important in recruting. Cite specific examples of players who chose school A over school B because school B’s coach was just too damn old. I’m sure you have some.
BENZDUCK FOR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR!
Why the hell not?
As cougfan said, I don’t mind going through this because a coach is looking for a better job. That means he’s done some successful things at Oregon and raised the standard. I can accept that. I don’t want to go through this again because a coach is on the decline.
As for why an older coach might decline, no, I don’t have specific examples. I’ve never personally talked to any 18 year old kids that said to me I didn’t go there because “X” coach was too old. I was speaking more hypothetically.
Recruiting is a hard job. It’s not easy keeping up on AAU, high school programs, flying all around the country meeting parents and going to summer leagues. It’s not a 9-5, stress free, easy type of job. As a matter of fact one of the reasons NBA coaches don’t succeed at the college level is not because their X’s and O’s are terrible, it’s because they have to recruit, and it’s tough.
Look at some of the great coaches of all time. Now, I don’t think they retired (or in some cases got fired) because they couldn’t keep up with the game, I’m guessing it got tough at a certain age to keep up with the grind of recruiting:
Coaches and when they left (or how old they are)
Bob Knight 62
Dean Smith 66
Lute Olsen 72 (spent his last two years coaching under uncertainty about his health)
Coach K 63 (left one year because of exhaustion at age 48)
Jim Calhoun 66 (sat out part of this year due to health reasons)
Eddie Sutton 70
Tubby Smith 59
That means we have anywhere from 3-13 years of potential Tubby Smith, if he keeps up with some of the greats on this list, and I am sure most of these greats weren’t trying to rebuild a program, rebuild a recruiting pipeline, and had waaaaay better names amongst 18 year old kids in the later years of their career.
Finally, I will agree with you that Tubby would be a tremendous upgrade for the program. I for one would not be shouting Fire Tubby if he became the next coach. As I said:
I’m almost positive that Oregon will be in a better place 3-4 years later.
But personally, I’d rather go after a guy who’s a bit younger and who is looking to take the program to the next level because, yes, he MIGHT be looking to move on to better things. Not because he MIGHT be looking for one last big paycheck before he heads into the CBS studio to do broadcasting… er… I mean retirement. I’m not saying Tubby can’t, I’m just saying I’d prefer something else.
P.S. That moss you speak of, might make a coach a little more complacent too. I don’t want a complacent recruiter.
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
Addicted to Quack
Recruiting is a hard job. It’s not easy keeping up on AAU, high school programs, flying all around the country meeting parents and going to summer leagues. It’s not a 9-5, stress free, easy type of job
Which is why they all hire assistants who can recruit, are almost invariably younger.. so all the HC has to do is sell the package to Mom and Pop. (Or Mom and Grandma, in many cases.)
Oh, and moss doesn’t make you complacent. It just makes you more likely to stay in one place. Beds of roses (as in humongous guaranteed contracts) can make you complacent.
BENZDUCK FOR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR!
Why the hell not?
Anyone
Think we can land a coach who will be able to pull both Oregon HS Stars from Jefferson, Terrence Jones & Terrence Ross?
That would probably boost us into the tournament year-one of the new arena.
by IndustrialRevolution on Apr 1, 2010 3:57 AM PDT reply actions
Jones
is the one who still has Oregon on the “considering” list and is not commiting before the ducks invite him down to the new arena and coach.
by IndustrialRevolution on Apr 2, 2010 2:44 AM PDT up reply actions

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