Quack Fix: Dick Harter's Glorious Return; Schroeder: Ernie's Likely Done; Our Favorite Mascot Is Set Free!
by JConant on Mar 4, 2010 7:57 AM PST
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PrintHappy Thursday. And dare I say welcome to another edition of Happy I Hate Washington Day. It's hoops game day in the Pac-10, which more often than not isn't much fun for us Duck fans. Ernie's kids have won their last two. Will they go streaking? Crazier stuff has happened.
- Ducks and Huskies tonight at Mac Court, 7 p.m., no TV. Here's the official release from GoDucks.com.
- The legendary Dick Harter will be back in The Pit as Oregon's honorary captain tonight. Bob Clark of the R-G suggests the game might not live up to Harter's return (probably a fair assumption). The real question, is Harter looking for work? John Hunt of The Oregonian also looks back at Harter's days at Oregon.
- Trail Blazers star Brandon Roy will be the honorary captain for Washington tonight. That prompted Mike Tokito to wonder, "would Oregon fans boo Brandon Roy?"
- George Schroeder gets some "ink" over at SI.com, and writes that high expectations and Oregon's new arena probably spell the end of Ernie Kent's run as the Ducks coach.
- It was a wet, ugly day at P.K. Park yesterday and the Ducks just couldn't generate enough offense to make it two straight over the Huskies. The Dawgs took it 5-3, evening Oregon's season record at 5-5. Adam Jude has the recap for the R-G.
- A year ago we were reading about Oregon's athletic department keeping the budget in the black. Not so this year. The Ducks sports programs were in the hole $642,000 for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2009 (typical government, always running 9 months behind the rest of us). The Beavs were in the red to the tune of $5.9 million...yikes! Bill Graves of The Oregonian has all the tedious details.
- A few other notes: Former Oregon star Matt Toeaina might be in line for some more work with the Chicago Bears. Aaron Fentress with a quick note about Toeaina over at OregonLive. Jack Moran at the R-G writes that former Duck Garrett Embry has hired a Eugene attorney as police continue to follow up on the frat house theft allegations.
- Finally, Greg Bolt of the R-G has today's big news... The UO and Walt Disney Co. have agreed the Duck mascot is no longer a Disney trademark. That has all sorts of interesting implications, though Bolt notes, "...don’t expect to see the Duck pounding beers at Taylor’s."
Lots of Quack today. I assume Jared's assigned police blotter duty to someone? If you find something good, please share.
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I would be shocked if Roy is booed.
Oregon Duck Football-Nobody got arrested in South-Central Eugene (or Springfield, or any other part of Eugene); Today was a good day.-Ice Cube
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 8:02 AM PST reply actions
I hope he's not booed
He’s a god in Portland and has done some very, very nice things in the community and has changed the whole complexion of the Blazers.
He really helped them drop the whole Jail Blazers perception.
Oregon Duck Football-Nobody got arrested in South-Central Eugene (or Springfield, or any other part of Eugene); Today was a good day.-Ice Cube
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 8:08 AM PST up reply actions
Brandon Roy is quite literally the best player the Blazers
Could have had given where the franchise was, the mix of skills, attitude and general awesomeness is hard to meet.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
True for me too
At least he’s a local Seattle boy as well, so I don’t mind local kids ever going to their home state school (although when they don’t such as Ridnour and J-Stew its awesome).
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Did you see that insane fadeaway three at the buzzer that he hit last night?
I have a mancrush on the Maehlman.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
I’m a Laker fan, thus I don’t mind him being booed. That being said, I really have no problem with the Blazers and will always cheer for them if they’re not playing the Lakeshow, so it would be a shame if he were to get booed.
You **ker Fan
add nothing to this conversation and can drink a giant glass of shut the hell up.
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
Addicted to Quack
I’m sorry, I couldn’t read that. My 2008-2009 Lakers Championship Screen Saver keeps popping up.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Ha!
I’m actually just being a jerk to get you guys riled up. I’m not even that big a fan any more, to be honest. I got into the Lakers during the Showtime years (Magic, Worthy, Cooper, Scott, etc.) when I was really young and then loved them during their down years (Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Cedric Ceballos, Elden Campbell, and Vlade Divac, FTW!). I enjoyed the Shaq years, but it didn’t feel the same.
Now that it’s Kobe’s team, I only pay attention during the playoffs. I really can’t stand Kobe. I actually think I would love the Blazers if they were my team. And I root for Aaron Brooks whenever I get the chance. So don’t take my barbs too seriously.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
by Gorbachav5 on Mar 4, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I love Ron Artest. He fascinates me.
It's spelled "C-A-N-Z-A-N-O-S-P-A-R-E-N-T-S-D-O-N-T-B-E-L-I-E-V-E-I-N-H-I-M"
Addicted to Quack, the home of Tako Tuesdays
haha
actually i don’t mind lamar odom. he is a clown
by goblazers503 on Mar 4, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
And those were the years
That my hatred for all things Lakers, really gelled
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
Which years?
The years they sucked? I totally understand hating them, but I don’t get why you would hate them MORE when they were barely sneaking into the playoffs (if even that) and then getting trounced in the first round every year. Plus it’s not like they had any real villains on those teams (maybe Nick Van Exel, since he was unjustifiably cocky).
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I was referring to this
I got into the Lakers during the Showtime years (Magic, Worthy, Cooper, Scott, etc.)
Sorry, I should have been more specific, I guess.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
Ah, okay. I’m sorry you went through that, though. Holy crap were those teams fun to watch.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Those were some great teams
There was another guy, what was is name? Kareem something?
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
Yeah, that guy was alright. Although he was on his way out by the time I was old enough to appreciate watching basketball, so I didn’t catch him at his finest.
I won’t ever forget when they retired his jersey, though, and they gave him a rocking chair as a gift. He sat there in the middle of the Forum in his rocking chair with just a spotlight on him. That memory has always stuck with me for some reason.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I gained my basketball consciousness at the Showtime Forum
And seriously, go look at the rosters of those Lakers-Celtics teams from the 1980’s. Sick.
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 5, 2010 6:39 AM PST up reply actions
Sick is a bit light I think, I go with baby eating level evil.
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by Bill Musgrave on Mar 5, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
I would boo the shit out of him
He is going to be wearing a purple shirt. I booed him at Washington, fuck, I HATED him at Washington. Or maybe I’ll just brush by him and yelp HEY! and look at the refs.
I Don't Yell O I SCREAM!
I’d like to ask him how he feels about Champ Oguchi.
It's spelled "C-A-N-Z-A-N-O-S-P-A-R-E-N-T-S-D-O-N-T-B-E-L-I-E-V-E-I-N-H-I-M"
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I’d have no problem with it.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
by AllSaintsDay on Mar 4, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
You suck for actively cheering a representative of the University of Washington.
I wouldn’t personally boo the guy. But to give him a standing ovation (or really give him anything more than a polite clap)? That’s worse than the Duck fans that cheered in Autzen when the Huskies beat USC last year.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
There were a lot of fans that cheered too.
I was confused.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"
I’d prefer SoCal go 0-9 and UW go 1-8 in conference every year.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
It should be noted that I do not claim this excuses anyone but me.
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Number one, because SoCal is behind only ND for overrankedness. You can talk about East Coast Bias if you like to be wrong, but it’s really Big Market Bias.
Number two, because I got so sick of hearing about classy Pete Carroll. He’s not particularly classy or classless.
Number three, because everyone else gets by fine when there are identical initials or similar logos, but Southern Cal has to be dicks about it.
Number four, because I’m sick of how much fans of the other nine Pac-10 teams want the Trojans to do well.
Number five, because the band and Song Girls are nothing special and I’m sick of hearing about them like they are. The band, in particular, needs to learn a second song.
Number six, because being voted prom queen does not make you champion, no matter how much Big Market Bias delivers you the AP crown.
Number seven, because I’ve heard way too many idiots take it as a given that they would have beaten LSU or OU.
Mostly, really, I think it’s the “being dicks” thing. They’re the only school/AD I honestly hate, as opposed to sports-hate.
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1. Yeah, they were over-rated earlier this year, but other than that, I haven’t seen that at all. I think what they did in the Rose Bowl and their NC appearances in the 2000’s show that they are anything but overrated.
2. Carroll is with the Seahawks now, so that’s a moot point.
3. That’s because Southern Cal>South Carolina in almost everything.
4. Why is that a bad thing? You want a Pac-10 school to do badly against an OOC opponent? That doesn’t make much sense.
5. No need to be jealous about their Song Girls. Apparently you haven’t checked out our cheerleaders recently.
6. It’s not their fault that the BCS didn’t give them a chance.
7. How do you know that they wouldn’t have beaten LSU or OU? That offense was one of the most prolific in the history of NCAA football.
I don’t see why you would hate a successful program such as USC for being….well, successful….more than our bitter rivals.
Just my 2 cents.
I have a mancrush on the Maehlman.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
They’re still dicks. Stanford, Syracuse, Michigan State, and NC State all use the same S and there’s no issue.
My experience at the Rose Bowl this year told me that Southern Cal < South Carolina in many, though far from all, things.
I’m not jealous. I find it ridiculous how much MSM goes “Ooooh, Song Girls.”
It’s not their fault the BCS didn’t give them chance. That also doesn’t make them champions.
And I don’t know they wouldn’t have beaten LSU or OU. I have no problem with “I think the Trojans would have won.” I have a problem with “Oh my God, you don’t think the Trojans would have won!?”(which is a direct quotation from my friend here, and representative of many reactions I’ve had.)
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
seriously, get over the shared national title thing
Its the consensus of every person outside of Louisiana that SC was the best team that year. Hearing that tired argument again just makes LSU fans seem ridiculous and irrational.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Only if Georgia gets to share the CWS title with Fresno State because everyone agrees that they were a better team. Seriously, Fresno was a 4 seed!
If you seriously claim that “they are champions” equates to “everyone agrees that they were a better team,” then you’re the one being ridiculous and irrational.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
Um..
Fresno State got to play Georgia, and beat them 2 out of 3 times. USC didn’t get a shot at LSU.
I have a mancrush on the Maehlman.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
WHICH STILL DOES NOT MAKE THEM CHAMPIONS.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
Your argument makes no sense hahaha.
USC didn’t get a shot, and Georgia got 3 shots at Fresno State and they could only beat them once.
I have a mancrush on the Maehlman.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
My argument is that you cannot say “USC didn’t get a shot and the MSM loved them; therefore they’re champions.”
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
Conversely, you can’t say that they didn’t deserve a share of the championship.
I have a mancrush on the Maehlman.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, revision of my original statement: I get pissed at the fact that people say that since they feel Southern Cal deserved a share of the championship, we should call them champions.
Plenty of teams win championships that don’t deserve to. Plenty of teams don’t win champions that do deserve to. Southern Cal may or may not have deserved to be champions, but they weren’t champions.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
You could just as easily say that LSU only got a shot because of computer bias and different members of the MSM that liked them.
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Quite possibly. That’s the problem with a 2-team bracket. We all know that.
Being unfairly kept out by the playoff system still doesn’t make you a champion.
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It does if there is such thing as an AP Championship. which in my opinion is just as valid as a BCS Championship. Neither is a TRUE National Championship becuase it isn’t determined on the field.
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
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Where did UT and Bama decide last year’s BCS championship? I was in Pasadena the week before, and I’m pretty sure there’s a field there.
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True and who put them in that game? Computers and voters and coaches… not players.
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
Addicted to Quack
Players don’t put their teams into the BCSCG any less than players put their teams into March Madness.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
I agree, but we also don’t have a second title given out for Champion. Unlike in college football where there is a BCS and AP Champion. The AP has just as much validity to call who they vote Champion as the AP does.
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
Addicted to Quack
The BCS is determined on the field more than the AP is. So their champion is closer to being an actual champion, and more valid (although not fully valid).
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
So if neither are “fully valid” I don’t see what the problem is with one saying, “here’s are not so valid Championship” while the other says, “here’s our not so valid Championship.”
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
Addicted to Quack
Being unfairly kept out by the playoff system still doesn’t make you a champion.
By that logic, winning said playoff doesn’t actually make you a champion.
USC has a legitimate claim to the national title that year. LSU fans need to get over that.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
yes
That LSU fans still whine about that is completely ridiculous to anyone outside of Louisiana
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
They got their share, USC got their share. They really need to just let it go.
I have a mancrush on the Maehlman.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
We’ll let it go when the team that didn’t win the championship game quits calling itself champion. Lies don’t stop being lies because lots of people believe them.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
So.....
will LSU give up their 1958 AP National Championship?
If anything, you should be mad at Oklahoma, they were the fraud that shouldn’t have been there. In the meantime, be glad that you can claim half a title. Because if you’d actually had to play SC, I’m not sure you’d be able to claim that.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
I always say that LSU has 2 NCs.
Because if you’d actually had to play SC, I’m not sure you’d be able to claim that.
Who knows? They were both good teams and either could have beaten the other on any given Saturday. They beat their two common opponents by almost identical margins (LSU beat Auburn by 24 and Arizona by 46; SC beat Auburn by 23 and Arizona by 45). LSU beat 4 ranked teams and lost to an unranked team. SC beat 2 ranked teams and lost to an unranked team. (And no, Les Miles, “undefeated in regulation” doesn’t count.)
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
This is really just pathetic. The AP championship is just as legitimate as the Coaches championship.
This is a problem with college football in general. The title was split. Time for LSU fans to get over it. USC fans sure are.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
8-team playoff > 4-team playoff > 2-team playoff > > > > > > Oh look, we got voted champions and there was no playoff at all.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
oh look its a fraud championship all the way round for both teams
so both teams should stfu.
Innocent until proven guilty.
I don’t really see your point.
The reaction of LSU fans to this whole situation makes them look small. USC and LSU were both champions that year, and both deserves a shot at an undisputed title. Neither got it.
But USC fans seem to not care. LSU fans do. That says something to me.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Thats a valid point
but I don’t see this as an issue worth discussing. It’s a disputed championship, whether you think you deserved it or not. Its tarnished either way. This is something that isn’t really going to change unless somehow USC loses that “championship”.
Innocent until proven guilty.
That LSU fans like the idea of progressing in how college football determines its champion, while backwards organizations like the Rose Bowl and its two conferences don’t?
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
No
That USC doesn’t care. It’s the arrogance factor. Football is life in the south, while in California football pride and success is taken as a GIVEN instead of a prideful event.
Innocent until proven guilty.
Football is life in the south, while in California football pride and success is taken as a GIVEN instead of a prideful event.
So…Californians are idiots. Got it.
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fixed
Californians are idiots take football success as a right rather than a task
Innocent until proven guilty.
But football success is not a given for California. Do you remember the 90s for Southern Cal? How’s UCLA doing these days?
If Californians think that football success is a given or a right, then they’re either idiots or deluded.
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You obviously haven't been in LA for awhile
while I have 5 times in the last year.
Innocent until proven guilty.
I’m not saying they don’t expect it. I’m saying they’re morons if they act like it’s a given, because they’ve gotten one real title and one popularity contest the past two decades.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
Okay. That makes them idiots.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 4, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
There are fans all over the nation that act like football success is automatically assured for their team. I make fun of delusional Bama fans who do it, I’ll make fun of delusional SC fans who do it.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
by AllSaintsDay on Mar 4, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
That LSU fans like the idea of progressing in how college football determines its champion, while backwards organizations like the Rose Bowl and its two conferences don’t?
So all of a sudden the BCS is progress? A two team playoff that doesn’t pick the correct two teams is no playoff. It’s just college football for the past 80 years.
USC and LSU split the title that year. Both had legitimate claims to the title based on what they did on the field.
USC fans can deal with this fact. Even Washington fans can deal with their split title in ’91.
I have no idea why LSU fans cannot deal with this fact.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Because by 91, there was nothing where everyone had agreed to some champion-determining method to avoid split championships.
In 1998, 6 conferences, including the Pac-10, agreed to the BCS. SC claimed a national title at the cost of reneging on that agreement. They can deal with it better than LSU fans for the same reason that a thief doesn’t protest the fact that there’s been a theft, while the victim does.
And yes, the BCS is progress over the absolute nonsense that says whoever the media ranks #1 is champion.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
by AllSaintsDay on Mar 4, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
Well, it’s obvious we won’t go anywhere on this.
The simple fact is that, to me (and most other college football fans), the AP title means as much as the BCS title.
USC and LSU were both deserving that year, and should have played each other.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I don’t know how much that’s true. I think that most fans you find would want the BCS title over the AP vote.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 4, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
I guess I just assumed this, because it’s definitely the case where I’m from. If you asked, say, Duck fans whether they’d rather an AP trophy only or a BCS trophy only, would there really be no overall preference?
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 4, 2010 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
You cannot be serious
So you’re telling me LSU fans are upset that USC claims a championship they earned, because they feel theirs is more distinguished?
That would be like my son getting upset because I gave an otter pop to my daughter because she cleaned her room too, only my son thought he had cleaned his room better. If I was LSU’s Daddy, I’d take their otter pop away and give it to USC so they could have two.
Seriously, LSU needs to get over it.
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
Addicted to Quack
People asked me why I don’t like SC; I said because they claim a BS championship. I keep posting that I think it’s a BS championship just as much as other people are posting that they think it’s a legit championship. This isn’t a case of “needs to get over it” unless you’re just looking for a reason to rag on LSU.
And now, mostly, I’m curious as to whether the AP vote means as much to most fans as the BCS championship. Would most posters here not have a preference between the two?
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 5, 2010 12:42 AM PST up reply actions
My personal feelings...
Until the NCAA does away with the BCS made up Championship system and goes to a playoff or something where teams have a legit chance of winning a National Championship (NOT a BCS or AP championship). No championship in my mind is legit.
I would rather win the Pac and go to the Rose Bowl. Now if the AP decides that’s good enough for them to award us their Blue Ribbon honor… so be it.
If the BCS (whoever that is) decides we deserve to carry their flag for a year. That’s fine too.
Hell, if Bob’s Big Boy said, “we think you played so well, we want you to accept the BBB Championship Trophy”, then I’m happy with that.
Because they’re all trumped up beauty contest accolades that in my opinion don’t really mean jack. I want Pac 10 titles and Rose Bowl victories until something better comes along.
Beside, the AP has been around handing out Championships far longer than the BCS ever has. But I am sure that doesn’t matter either.
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
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But I am sure that doesn’t matter either.
Yup. It’s about as relevant as “The AP is headquartered in NYC.”
The problem, really, is that saying anyone won an AP championship is as dumb as claiming whatever team is #1 in the basketball polls after one round of postseason play is the national champion in that sport.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 5, 2010 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
I might be mistaken, but isn’t the BCS a poll?
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
Addicted to Quack
and also
is as dumb as claiming whatever team is #1… polls after one round of postseason play is the national champion
isn’t that the same thing as the BCS “Title” game?
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
Addicted to Quack
Also, this is what LSU fans have a problem with:
They started having polls of football, just like with other sports. Then some idiot decided to start calling the team voted #1 at the end “national champion.” This led to stupidity like split championships.
So people tried to work away around it. It took forever to get the tradition-bound Rose Bowl in on the deal, but in 1998 we finally had everyone agree to use the BCS to determine championships. Tennessee won a championship, FSU won one, OU won one, and so on until the 2003 season, when LSU won one. And then all of a sudden, no, that thing we agreed to? We’re going to pretend like we didn’t agree to it. Because honesty is such a lonely word, and everyone is so untrue…
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 5, 2010 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
Mmmmm, Bob's Big Bog Championship Burger Trophy
The best tasting trophy in all the land.
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by Bill Musgrave on Mar 5, 2010 5:06 AM PST up reply actions
Couple of points
Until this year, USC hasn’t been over-rated. Every year people would say, “Oh this is the year USC is finally over-rated” and then they’d arun the table on the rest of their schedule and destroy some poor Big 10 team in the Rose Bowl, and we’d realize, “Oh yeah, they’re still pretty good.” I find it hard to blame pollsters for giving them latitude this year.
It’s just the nature of the BCS that you almost have to root for the rest of your conference to do well so that your team’s wins and losses look better. Just like you have defended the SEC as a whole, other people defend the Pac 10 as a whole. Until this year, that has meant touting USC as one of the best teams in the country.
See Dave’s response on the national title. USC was the best team in the country that year. Could they still have lost in the NC game? Sure, Miami lost to Ohio St. in 2003 or whenever it was. That doesn’t mean they weren’t the best team.
Yeah, they’re dicks, and I want them to lose sometimes for schadenfreude purposes, but I wouldn’t root for them to lose to UW.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I don’t root for the SEC as a whole. I didn’t have a horse in the NC game until close to game time, because I hate both UT and Bama.
I argue against misperceptions of the SEC. But I don’t really root that hard for most of them.
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so
people who lived in portland their whole lives and attended U of O shouldn’t cheer for the player that turned around their hometown’s entire organization?
turned around their hometown’s entire organization?
Maybe you should wait until he takes the Blazers past the first round of the playoffs.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I personally don’t care about the Blazers or NBA for that matter, but I will disagree with this a bit.
Just 3-4 years ago, they were giving tickets away in random issues of the Oregonian, and struggled to sell half of the Rose Garden.
Now Portland, the city, is supporting the team, and they have a chance to get to the playoffs again.
Now, the overall excitement is rather high for a fringe wildcard team. I just think people are happy that, for the first time in over a decade, they have a decent team they can shamelessly support.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"
Still no excuse for cheering a representative of UW, while actively supporting that university.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
by jtlight on Mar 4, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m a big Blazer fan so of course I’m biased. I think Roy has done a lot for our city, he’s not a Fuskie now, he’s a Trailblazer. He’s there for UW for one night, but he’s a Blazer for the other 364 days and representing the city I live in.
I couldn’t stand the Jailblazers, I grew up as a fan and gave up on them during that era. Now the team is getting good, all the players are solid character guys, and the city is behind them. I don’t care if Roy shows up sporting a Lane Kiffin hat, UW shoes, and a “I Heart Bush (Reggie AND Dubya)” sweater, I’m not going to boo the guy.
If I were there, I wouldn’t boo the guy either, but I wouldn’t be applauding him while he’s wearing purple.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
He shouldn’t be cheered, because he’s not there as a Blazer, he’s there as a Husky. Booing him? Well to each their own.
I love Roy, as a Blazer, I hated Roy as a Husky. But there aren’t too many college athletes where I feel compelled to boo. Now, refs on the other hand…
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
Addicted to Quack
People could just ignore the fact he’s there as a Fuskie and chant “Let’s go Blazers” or something.
It was thought that the "Hanger" beat all shots. Then, the "Balancer" was discovered.
I won’t be there (and I’m not a Blazers fan), so my opinion is probably irrelevant. But I would say either stay silent (if you think his status as Savior of the Trailblazers is important) or boo him (if you don’t care about the Blazers or hate that he’s repping the Huskies).
Cheering a guy wearing Huskie’s purple seems out of the question.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I would shout "Get this voice out of my head", but that's just me and me.
s-panic = σ – ⅓ (σx+σy+σz) I
by Bill Musgrave on Mar 4, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
Mostly, really, I’m just getting sick to death of the Blazers.
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well...
if you live in oregon what do you expect?
To have Blazers conversation on the Blazer blog and Duck conversation on the Duck blog?
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
Definitely.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
Any chance Rachel Bachman will be all over the budget deficit story?
Kind of hard to slam us when OS’s hole is 10 times bigger. Since we were on television so much last football season, we’re in a lot better shape than OS, but then again they can just keep tapping their student fees and state money.
OT…but has anybody driven or owned a Jeep Compass? How are they? This girl in class wanted me to ask since she’s getting one haha.
Oregon Duck Football-Nobody got arrested in South-Central Eugene (or Springfield, or any other part of Eugene); Today was a good day.-Ice Cube
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 8:07 AM PST reply actions
Well I mean it's for a chick, so the whole gay thing doesn't really matter
I have a mancrush on the Maehlman.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Alford would be the next choice, I would think.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
in this order
alford, butler’s coach that i can never remember, Jeff capel, and then after that I think we go for Seattle’s HC
Innocent until proven guilty.
Seattle U's Cameron Dollar is a quality guy
Mark Turgeon from TAMU should be mentioned too.
In case anyone needs a refresher course on what to do today...
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
Addicted to Quack
and you can also hire him as a personal coach or motivational speaker
If you want your kid to be good, here’s who not to call
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Personally I like the email address: “r9dimes”? Dimes? Really? When did you pass?
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
Addicted to Quack
Personally, I'm disappointed Appleby isn't the honorary captain for this game.
It's spelled "C-A-N-Z-A-N-O-S-P-A-R-E-N-T-S-D-O-N-T-B-E-L-I-E-V-E-I-N-H-I-M"
Addicted to Quack, the home of Tako Tuesdays
How about Aaron Brooks and Appleby as honorary captains for this game. Wouldn’t you like to see that handshake?
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
Addicted to Quack
aw crap
I punched my monitor instinctively and now its broken and wont shake my hand,
I Don't Yell O I SCREAM!
Maybe it’s just me, but he reminds me of the monk from The Davinci Code
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
Addicted to Quack
Also the albino from "Foul Play".
Frightening.
s-panic = σ – ⅓ (σx+σy+σz) I
by Bill Musgrave on Mar 4, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
Some might boo Roy
I wouldn’t because he’s so awesome though.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Interesting line in the Embry article
EPD Spokeswoman said that she received 60 calls a day or so when the SAE burglary/theft story “broke”. What do you want to bet that 59 of them were from beavos and huskies?
OT but friend of mine who works for the NCAA
Just e-mailed me and said Focus on the Family wanted to buy ad time during the NCAA tourney for more Tebow ads.
The NCAA said NOPE! Love it.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
“After Ryan Appleby refused Aaron Brooks’ (0) handshake before the game, he tried to make up for it with a hug.”
Innocent until proven guilty.
Does this mean we might finally get Puddles in the Mascot game in NCAA ’11?
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
Addicted to Quack
Wanna know what’s weird?
I was playing NCAA ’08 Basketball, and Puddles is totally in that one.
Why not football?!?!?!
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"
espn is branded in football too
it is one of the biggest mysteries ever. I have always wondered.
I Don't Yell O I SCREAM!
if we do i will be so happy i'll probably cry.
EA better be working on this.
Innocent until proven guilty.
Happy Happy I Hate Washington Day
May everyone wearing purple sink into the earth’s core and burn
I Don't Yell O I SCREAM!
It's spelled "C-A-N-Z-A-N-O-S-P-A-R-E-N-T-S-D-O-N-T-B-E-L-I-E-V-E-I-N-H-I-M"
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This is just too funny
From the SBN NFL Draft page. Rich Eisen running the 40.
I Don't Yell O I SCREAM!
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Innocent until proven guilty.
Exactly.
No true Husky fan has acknowledged the passing of each year since 2001.
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
by ProbablyMonty on Mar 4, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Good point.
Ever since even the “Northwest Championship” began to pass their sorry asses by, they have all just covered their ears and pretended it was 2001.
This off-season officially sucks for FIVE reasons and counting...
Most major rivers in the US flow west to the Pacific, east to the Atlantic, or south to the Gulf. So why does the Willamette flow north?
Because Washington sucks.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
by AllSaintsDay on Mar 4, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Our next basketball coach!
Why isn’t anyone talking about the big news? Today UO announced our next mens basketball coach, heck it was even linked above, and not a word. You guys are weird.
Why do you think Puddles was released from his contract today? Was it so he could be in NCAA 11, or do another rap video? No, it was so he could go recruiting. That’s right, Puddles is our next mens basketball coach. I couldn’t be more thrilled, he has the charisma to be a recruiting machine, everyone already knows him, and he’s twice the coach Ernie Kent is.
We would not win a lot of games if our offense is taking turns shooting one handed, over the shoulder half court shots.
I Don't Yell O I SCREAM!
But Puddles getting booted from throwing a fit would really energize the team…
And entertaining for everyone in Matt Court.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"
does he coach or dance/pump up during time outs
either would be something Kent does not do
I Don't Yell O I SCREAM!
So...
What you’re telling me is that Puddles has been giving shooting lessons to Tajuan Porter?
Defending maligned chants since 2009
booing brandon roy?
A little late for that. You’re gonna look like a damn fool. The guy’s all class, ok?
Just……grow up a little. Or would you still boo Rodriguez when he plays in Seattle?
Come on now
The sanctimony is a tad much. Roy is a big boy who makes a lot of money. He’ll understand (and care very little) when/if he gets booed. It’s not like cheering when a player gets injured, which is classless. It’s harmless rivalry fun.
What are sports for if not to allow us to have loud, irrational reactions to meaningless events?
Defending maligned chants since 2009
by Gorbachav5 on Mar 4, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What if we chant “Overrated” when he’s on the court?
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"
I wish I had the clout to make this happen...
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
I have an unhealthy addiction to sweet tea...
Also, people who pronounce the word salmon as “SAL-mon” piss me off. It’s “sa-min”.
I have a mancrush on the Maehlman.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 6:10 PM PST reply actions
Sweet tea is a complete mockery and waste of tea leafs.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"
HA!
Wrong.
I have a mancrush on the Maehlman.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
The fact that you would defile tea with so much sugar is simply offensive.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Well, Splenda actually.
Gotta love being diabetic!
I have a mancrush on the Maehlman.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
No. Ever heard of diet soda?
Soda is just disgusting. Diet or regular.
I have a mancrush on the Maehlman.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty sure I have an Odwalla drink in my fridge as we speak...
I have a mancrush on the Maehlman.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
There is also moonshine in my fridge, yes.
I have a mancrush on the Maehlman.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Nah, it's in a Nalgene bottle.
We’ve had it in there for a couple of years, I think. It was a gag gift from somebody.
I have a mancrush on the Maehlman.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
What?
I have a mancrush on the Maehlman.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
That's what I'm thinking.
I have a mancrush on the Maehlman.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
why the hell do you have it in threre for 2 years
the only thing that should be there for 2 years is a thing of baking soda to keep it fresh
Innocent until proven guilty.
It's not like it's going to be consumed or anything.
I have a mancrush on the Maehlman.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
I’m surprised that it hasn’t corroded the bottle yet
I have a mancrush on the Maehlman.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
I just smelled it and it smelled like any other liquor. It’s cherry-flavored. mmm…
I have a mancrush on the Maehlman.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
"defile"
Why do you use that word? I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Because tea should not be “fouled” or “tarnished” with sugar. It is a beautiful thing, that apparently cannot be handled by some.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Sugar does not foul tea; it makes it yet more delicious.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
Doesn't need to be, but it is.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
Delicious? I don’t think that means what you think it means.
Sugar in tea is like putting peanut butter on pickles. It makes sense if your pregnant.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"
Or if you like drinking something that tastes awesome.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
by AllSaintsDay on Mar 4, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
East Texas agrees with All Saints Day
And so do I.
s-panic = σ – ⅓ (σx+σy+σz) I
by Bill Musgrave on Mar 5, 2010 5:00 AM PST up reply actions
I was joking. I know full well what the word means, I was sarcastically implying that the only way someone would seriously say that sugar defiles tea, then they must not know what “defiles” means, because it’s that far from the truth.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
Nope. You can only dissolve so much before it just sits on the bottom, even if you supersaturate it.
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
sweet tea doesn't need to be sickly sweet though
there’s a small line it needs to fit in IMO
Innocent until proven guilty.
I had some “sweet tea” in memphis (I ordered iced tea, nearly forgetting I wasn’t on the left coast), and it was comparable to a Dr. Pepper on the sweetness scale.
Unsweetened, properly steeped loose leaf green tea is a magical delight.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"
Unsweetened, properly steeped loose leaf green tea is a magical delight.
Is there any particular place I can go to get this?
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
by AllSaintsDay on Mar 4, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
I usually make it myself.
HonesTea makes a good one.
Your local granola grocery store will have several to choose from. The brand name of the best one I’ve had escapes me right now.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"
What would be a “granola grocery store”? I don’t really go anywhere but FM, Safeway, Albertson’s, and occasionally Whole Foods.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 4, 2010 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
Whole Foods would probably qualify.
You know, the grocery stores that encourage you to hug your neighborhood tree? Everything in the deli is all natural, vegan foods with no MSG.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"
Sorry, I wasn’t asking what kind of store you meant, just where to find one. I feel fairly certain that they exist in Eugene, but I couldn’t point to one.
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Unsweetened tea tastes like liquid dirt.
I have no idea why we are debating this, however. Wait, yes I do:
1. No football.
2. No football.
3. No basketball team to speak of.
Football and properly steeped basketball both taste better than either sweet tea or unsweetened tea.
s-panic = σ – ⅓ (σx+σy+σz) I
by Bill Musgrave on Mar 5, 2010 5:05 AM PST up reply actions
Sweetened tea tastes like sweetened liquid dirt.
Sweet Tea is the Budweiser of the tea world.
Loose leaf tea is the microbreweries of the tea world.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"
How dare you sir.
How dare you compare holy water and life’s elixir to water steeped/strained through dirt.
To each his own.
On the subject of tea, I hereforward defer to Shufelt and his refined, eloquent beverage and palate reviews.
s-panic = σ – ⅓ (σx+σy+σz) I
by Bill Musgrave on Mar 6, 2010 6:18 AM PST up reply actions
Just to think that we have half of a year left until football is scary.
This off-season officially sucks for FIVE reasons and counting...
I'm moving this conversation down here, so it can be read....
They started having polls of football, just like with other sports. Then some idiot decided to start calling the team voted #1 at the end "national champion." This led to stupidity like split championships.
So people tried to work away around it. It took forever to get the tradition-bound Rose Bowl in on the deal, but in 1998 we finally had everyone agree to use the BCS to determine championships.
This is simply not true historically. The BCS was not created to determine the undisputed national championship, and the BCS makers would tell you that. In fact, the NCAA still doesn’t recognize a champion. The BCS was simply created to try and match up the top two teams in the country.
The BCS is an arbitrary system, just like the AP vote is an arbitrary system. You have a BCS champion, and an AP champion.
In 2003, LSU won the BCS. USC won the AP title. And 99% of college football fans view that year as a split title. These polls or rankings have only the meaning that we give them. And I think that most college football fans think a split title was appropriate in 2003, considering the circumstances.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
That Penn State team that beat us up in the Rose Bowl in '95
won the HRD National Championship. It means just about as much historically to me as the AP, UPI, BCS championships combined.
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 5, 2010 6:48 AM PST up reply actions
The BCS was simply created to try and match up the top two teams in the country.
With what purpose? Why would they want to do that?
The BCS is an arbitrary system, just like the AP vote is an arbitrary system. You have a BCS champion, and an AP champion
A best-of-5 divisional series, a best-of-7 league series, and a best-of-7 World Series is an arbitrary system. Six teams playing in two bracket halves, with reseeding between rounds rather than fixed brackets, and the winners of each half meeting is an arbitrary system. Sixteen four team double elimination tournaments, followed by eight best-of-three series, followed by two four-team double elimination tournaments, followed by a best-of three series is an arbitrary system. One giant 65- or 96-team bracket is an arbitrary system.
So, what’s your point that the BCS and AP are arbitrary systems?
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The top two teams were matched up to try and end the previous problem where two teams deserved a shot at the mythical championship, but it was not given. This happened quite a few times, most notably to Penn State in ’94.
It was not created to declare a true national champion, but make the champion (at least in the minds of the people) more clear in certain situations. 2003 was not a year where it helped achieve this goal.
A best-of-5 divisional series, a best-of-7 league series, and a best-of-7 World Series is an arbitrary system.
Well, sure, at some point anything becomes arbitrary.
My general point here is that there is no such thing as a national champion in football. It literally does not exist. There is no recognized national champion by the NCAA. But they declare a champion in just about every other sport, as does the MLB, NFL, NBA, etc.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
The AP poll, the UPI poll, the Bowl Alliance, and the Bowl Coalition are all champion-determining methods that were never signed onto by SC, or any league they are a part of.
The same is simply not true of the BCS. The Pac-10 very explicitly agreed to the BCS.
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First, USC or the Pac-10 can not sign onto a national championship determining method. So I don’t really know what your point here is.
Second, the BCS was never ever meant to be a method that determines the true national title. The BCS was made to change how bowl matchups are created. There was obviously still the possibility under this system for a split title.
The Pac-10 signing onto the BCS merely means that the Pac-10 will send its team to BCS games, it says nothing about how the BCS champion is crowned.
And as the NCAA does not recognize a national champion in football, the national champion is effectively determined by the court of public opinion. And in that court, USC and LSU split that year.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
First, USC or the Pac-10 can not sign onto a national championship determining method.
Por quoi pas?
Tracy Porter's gonna score! TRACY PORTER'S GONNA SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (HT Takimoto)
Because these polls aren’t something teams or conferences sign into or endorse. You originally said this:
The AP poll, the UPI poll, the Bowl Alliance, and the Bowl Coalition are all champion-determining methods that were never signed onto by SC, or any league they are a part of.
This statement just doesn’t make sense because it’s not factually correct. No team or conference can “sign up” for the AP poll or the UPI poll. They just happen, independent of the teams/conferences.
Also, the Bowl Alliance and Bowl Coalition, much like the BCS, were not methods of determining champions. They were methods of placing teams in bowls. The purpose of this was to create a more clear champion in the minds of the people, but that obviously will not always happen.
The BCS obviously confuses things because the Coaches poll has a stipulation that they MUST vote for the winner of the BCS championship game. The important distinction here is that being the BCS champion does not imply that you are the national champion. Though many times the national champion (again, in the eyes of the nation as there is no official champion) is the BCS champion.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
The purpose of this was to create a more clear champion in the minds of the people, but that obviously will not always happen.
I feel greatly as though this was retconned. “Wait, we have one more championship if we pretend the BCS wasn’t meant to produce a championship? Well, let’s do it; Bama shouldn’t be the only school claiming ridiculous numbers of championships.”
The NCAA was not crafted by God to determine college championships. Their championships apply to all schools which are members of the NCAA, just as BCS championships apply to all schools which are members of the ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10, and SEC. If you don’t want the BCS championship to apply to you, don’t be part of the BCS.
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If you don’t want the BCS championship to apply to you, don’t be part of the BCS.
I don’t think that USC fans ever claimed to win the BCS title in 2003. LSU won the BCS title in 2003. But that simply doesn’t equate to the national title. USC has every bit as legitimate of a claim to the 2003 national title as LSU does.
The national title exists only in public perception. And simply put, the 2003 LSU team is not widely recognized as the best team from that season. The debate between USC and LSU still rages. And thus, most have accepted the fact that the title should have been split that year since they weren’t able to play on the field.
If you actually believe that the BCS championship is the only true method of figuring out which was the best team in college football, then I don’t know what to tell you. The BCS does a good job at times, and a bad job at other times. And it did a bad job in 2003, which means that the BCS title means less than it has in other years.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I will also say, that if given the choice between the AP title, and the BCS title, I’ll take the AP every time. Because when you win the AP poll, the people that are watching college footabll every day and cover it are declaring that your team is the best in college football that year.
The BCS title simply means that you won a game at the end of the season that may or may not have had the best two teams in the country playing in it.
But honestly, what I really just want is the BlogPoll title.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Isn’t the real criminal of the discussion the BCS? They are the ones that picked #3rd place Oklahoma over USC anyway, creating this whole mess to begin with.
And really, this is a piss poor reason to be upset at USC. They didn’t pick themselves to be #1 – the AP did.
And really, this is a piss poor reason to support the BCS title. They didn’t match up the two best teams.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"
I’m not pissed that they were picked #1. I’m pissed that they refuse to move on from the Dark Ages of We Don’t Like Our Championships Played Out On The Field At All. Even if we’re not yet in the Industrial Revolution of An Honest To God Championship, we should at least hit the Early Renaissance of This Two-Team Playoff Is Just As Far Ahead Of Voted Champions As It Is Behind A Full Playoff System.
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by AllSaintsDay on Mar 5, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
This works when there are two obvious teams for the playoff. If there’s more than two deserving teams, or the wrong two teams are picked, it is ridiculous to think a two team playoff is a valid representation of the national championship.
I mean, the way that 2003 played out, there was essentially no playoff at all. The top two teams in the country didn’t play each other. So while it’s nice rhetoric to claim that LSU proved it on the field, they didn’t. They weren’t given that opportunity.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
The mythical national championship being nearly every college football fan's favorite dead horse to beat,
could you guys cease and desist?
NEVER!
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
by jtlight on Mar 5, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Gorbachav just needs to make this his screen image… rec’d
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
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